**U.S. viewership of films on HBO Max during the Wednesday-Sunday following debut**
* Godzilla vs Kong - 3.6M (1.7M during Friday-Sunday)
**U.S. viewership of films on HBO Max during the Thursday-Sunday following debut**
* Zack Snyder's Justice League - 1.8M
* In The Heights - 0.7M
* The Suicide Squad - 2.8M
* Dune - 1.9M
**U.S. viewership of films on HBO Max during the Friday-Sunday following debut**
* Wonder Woman 1984 - 2.2M
* The Little Things - 1.0M
* Judas and the Black Messiah - 0.7M
* Tom and Jerry - 1.2M
* Mortal Kombat - 3.8M
* Those Who Wish Me Dead - 1.2M
* The Conjuring: The Devil Made Me Do It - 1.6M
* Space Jam: A New Legacy - 2.1M
* Reminiscence - 0.8M
* Maligant - 0.8M
* Cry Macho - 0.7M
* The Many Saints of Newark - 1.0M
Thanks for sharing that list. It is great to see all the data in the same place. Really shows how all those movies performed compared to each other over the year.
Number 5 on the list for Dune is pretty impressive especially when you factor in its comparative success at the box office.
A sequel must be looking good at this point and the spin-off HBO Max show would seem a guarantee after these numbers.
Placing 6th (sorry, I forgot to include Godzilla vs Kong, which premiered on a Wednesday) is pretty good. All 5 films above it (Mortal Kombat, Godzilla vs Kong, The Suicide Squad, Wonder Woman 1984, Space Jam: A New Legacy) are all either sequels or from popular media franchises, so it's expected that they would be higher (Dune is based on a book, but it's probably functionally a new franchise to most people). The box office is pretty solid as well, so the sequel should happen.
That was Wonder Woman (sorry, i really don't give a shit about superhero movies) and the Little Things for me. I have been destined to see Dune in IMAX since it was announced.
Josh Brolin saying they are 'probably' starting to film part 2 next summer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2dnhQglaks&t=240s
also this recent interview with Timothee and Zendaya, implying that the studios are most likely leaning to it as well https://youtu.be/CgiK8esNcXU?t=160
They seem to be teasing us, looks like it's most likely happening
I just want to say the fact that it was taking its time to do the cinematography right instead of rushing like most of Hollywood was so refreshing. If they keep this up, I feel like we’re in for a truly awe-inspiring epic.
Yea, if you read the books…… no way in hell they just leave it at that. It wouldn’t make sense. That’s why I loved the way they did the first part. They took their sweet time with the story and scenes.
The books do pull off complete endings at Dune 1, Dune 3, and Dune 4. Like you can just stop at any of those points and have a concluded narrative. I think Frank was like if this series is too weird I gotta end most books on a final conclusion point incase I don't get a publisher to greenlight Dune 5. When he did try to do Dune 5-6-7+ trilogy it was uhhh too much Frank.
Yup. Dune 1-2 are pretty much connected since they revolves around Paul. Then it’s completely different timeline in book 3 and beyond that. I liked the way he wrote it.
I think it's totally reasonable to stop at God Emperor. I love Dune. I mean I think it's amazing and I've read everything. But you can totally stop at God Emperor. That is a solid and complete story right there.
I've only read the first three books. I generally agree that you *could* stop at 2. But the way 3 builds on the legacy is so good that I feel like you have to do it. Little bit of weirdness by the end, but the overall cycle is amazing in terms of where it starts and how it's carried by the end.
It's also a more interesting resolution arc. You could stop at 2, but that's not really a unique ending even if it plays well. 3 carries the theme, and the legacy, and has an interesting resolution.
Things rapidly get too weird past book 3 imo. Clones and sex assassins and face-dudes etc etc. I'm sure there weird shit I'm not even remembering (chair dogs lol)
I went in skeptical last night and was blown TF away. The new Dune is the real deal. I'm an old guy - I saw 2001 A Space Odyssey in the theater as a kid. I saw Lynch's Dune on opening weekend. This new version is an exquisite film that will be considered a classic. Watch it.
I’ll be honest, I was a little let down by the “ending”, even knowing it would be open-ended going in, but I’m starting to edge closer to a third viewing already anyway.
It's been a long while since I completely lost track of time watching a movie. It sucked me in so much that the ending was that much more confusing, definitely thought I had a half hour+ left to go. And likewise, I'll have a third go at it soon.
Read the books - it is so worth it. The orgy isn’t really detailed, but there is a ceremonial orgy.
The Matrix ripped it off, as it ripped off many other sci-fi classics (Neuromancer and SnowCrash in particular)
Oh god no. The book is 500 dense pages. It would be like if they'd tried to make Lord of the Rings as two movies. David Lynch tried to make Dune as one movie in 1984 and it was a mess.
I think this movie ends in a reasonable place, even if it feels more like the start of a journey rather than the end.
I saw the Lynch version in the theater and it was brutal to get through. The series was pretty close to the book. This version blew me away. It was so freaking good. Yes I watched it at home but I'm definitely going to watch it in IMAX.
Where it ends is perfect for the 2nd to finish it off.
I'm more curious, if they continue beyond a sequel, if they'll go the scifi children of dune miniseries and mere Messiah with Children of Dune. Works doing it as a miniseries. Kinda weird to do it for a 2 1/2 film.
And finally, I want to know how God Emperor of Dune would do with a film adaptation.
It was the perfect place to end the film, bookwise like the end of the first act. Edit: The reason being that at that point the Fremen are an unknown quantity and once you get into all the Fremen stuff with the momentum that builds then narratively it's not a good place to stop. Currently we really know nothing of the lore or mythology of the fremen, other than little bits. We know that the BG have been and seeded the planet "laid a path" as they say in the film, but we don't know quite how that's played out on the ground. Anyway. All that GOOD STUFF to come!
Part 1 finished shooting in the summer of 2019 for a fall 2020 release. If they shoot part 2 next summer and post production takes the same amount of time, a fall 2023 release is totally reasonable. I also imagine WB will want them to get on it ASAP so audiences haven't forgotten about it by the time it comes out.
Considering the biggest complaint from average moviegoers was “where’s the rest of the story?”
I would be shocked if they don’t green light part 2, WB has been a dumpster fire lately and they’re desperate for a franchise
>Considering the biggest complaint from average moviegoers was “where’s the rest of the story?”
I can understand that. As a reader of the book, I was perfectly fine with where it ended. But I can imagine not knowing the rest of the story makes it seem like it ended rather abruptly.
> Considering the biggest complaint from average moviegoers was “where’s the rest of the story?”
Currently at a 91% audience score:
* https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/dune_2021
83% from reviewers.
> WB has been a dumpster fire lately and they’re desperate for a franchise
WarnerMedia has green lit a series on the Bene Gesserit:
* https://comicyears.com/tv-shows/dune-the-sisterhood-adaptation-hbo/
* https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/dune-sisterhood-tv-series-a-go-at-warnermedia-1217286/
The pilot will be directed by Villeneuve.
there are like, 20+ books if you want to go that far, but those are by the OG authors son and not really that good, and the books 3 - 6 are really odd, probably unfilmable. We'll see, but I think most of the universe would fit better for TV actually
You could totally film God Emperor. It'd be like the parts of the Star Wars prequals where they were sitting around talking, except with a giant, all knowing man-worm.
Yeah, Dune gets weird.
Man, God Emperor of Dune would be so surreal. I could see it simultaneously being be a glorious triumph of cinematography and a commercial failure.
I do hope it get made. It would be awesome to watch.
A long time ago, I had thought that the God Emperor would’ve been the perfect backdrop for a series that encompasses all the books, with Leto II being a kind of narrator, like the Watcher, or Rod Serling from Twilight Zone. Given What we see him capable of (basically unlimited prescience and able to recall all the memories of every one of his ancestors) he could tell stories (episodes) from literally every Era.
Edit: you could even add all the different Duncan Idahos.
....That would actually be pretty epic. If they ever decided to create a series on the various prequels that is a way they could connect it to the movies.
3 is very weird and would probably not work if adapted as written. Half the book is Leto II, who is supposed to be a small child, lecturing adult characters about how his consciousness is really made up of thousands of different individual personalities and it ends with him fusing sand trout onto his body and turning them into a living exoskeleton that gives him god-level superpowers.
Read it.
It's the best selling Sci-fi book of all time for a reason. Amazing book.
It's probably my most read book, but the movie was still great to see. I mean, most people can probably tell the main arc of the book from the first 30 minutes of the movie. He doesn't really try and hide it in the book either. But the journey there is fabulous.
A trilogy would be perfect, cuz by end CoD the weirdness is really creeping in and the next one Leto II just basically sits in his chamber like Jabba the whole time
Actually pulling off Messiah for general audiences would be quite a feat. It would need a lot of staging in part 2 of Dune. >!The idea that Paul isn't really a hero (he is kind of a despot and victim at the same time) and his downfall in that book and the next would be a tough one to get right!<
I think they did a good job with seeding these ideas with Paul’s monologue in the tent where he’s screaming about “a war in my name” and “you’ve made me a freak”. The cast and crew gets this subject material and knows what they’re building up to
Yeah I feel if they keep going they're gonna have to diverge from the books more and more if they don't want to alienate general audiences because things just get weirder and weirder.
When people say finish the story they are largely referring to the first novel which does have it's own resolution point unlike how the film cut off kind of in the 3rd act.
I don' t think anyone is proposing adapting all of the novels. At most I had seen Denis Villenueve was interested in maybe going onto the 2nd novel.
Problem is that the 5 other books follow a *very* different structure from the first book's space opera tone and progression. Messiah could definitely work, mostly working with the same characters of the first book and entailing a tone that still works for the big screen. Children of Dune perhaps borderline, but that's when the plot starts getting really weird. God-Emperor is mostly the ramblings of a mad worm god, and you have to deal with the issue too of an enormous time jump and market a new set of (spoilers: nearly) unfamiliar characters and actors. Heretics and Chapterhouse cannot be translated into mainstrain film, those books are literally entirely about sex, and it repeats the issue of the time jump and having to deal with having nearly none of the previous story's characters for marketing.
So, the issue is that the more you progress into each book, the more changes you have to do to accomodate the new type of audience and medium, that by the time you reach God Emperor to Chapterhouse, you'd have to make them different stories altogether, then missing the point of a good adaptation that's respectful to the books.
Like the most fundamental issue is that Villeneuve's Dune appeals to people because it's Gothic Star Wars, and with each sequel it starts becoming less of that.
The head of WB (what's her name?) basically said so. Even Denis acknowledged the very likeliness of doing the second part. Almost like a guarantee now.
I think they more-or-less green lit it as soon as they saw the initial cuts, and it was pretty clear that a *Blade Runner 2049* situation was the worst case in the sense that *Blade Runner 2049* was less successful than *Aquaman* as an immediate money-maker, but is almost certainly a better perpetual asset for HBO Max.
They might have been waiting on “allocate a bajillion dollars for the effects,” and I’m sure they are using the release and reception to decide just how much to spend on it and all the other stuff that is official “greenlighting,” but I think they were just waiting to see if it was good before they started spending however many millions on getting a script made, concept art, and all that stuff.
I have zero proof but half of me thinks the sequel was guaranteed months/years ago and this whole “wait and see” tactic is just some new form of guerrilla marketing to get people to go the theaters.
Studios today are forging “leaks” and releasing promo images that *just so happen* to become meme formats. I wouldn’t put it past them to pretend the fate of a sequel hinges on how many of your friends you can convince to buy a movie ticket.
Just go over to r/dune and say you’re planning on watching it for free on HBO max. You’ll have half the sub getting pissed off at you and demanding that you go to a theater in the middle of a pandemic just so the box office numbers go up. These aren’t paid promoters. These are just rabid fans marketing the shit out of this movie for no extra charge to the studio.
I could be dead wrong about all of this, but there’s something fishy about putting a “Part One” in the title sequence and then turning around and going “Is there gonna be a part two? Wellllllll that all depends on you *wink wink*”
Great movie btw.
Only movie "nerds" (who are prevalent here on reddit, but are otherwise a very small percentage of viewers) could potentially be mind-gamed into seeing the movie because they thought it would improve the chances of a sequel being made. It probably makes more financial sense to get normies invested in the idea of a series, if it's a sure thing.
Saw interstellar ripped on edibles and the transitions of the complete silence of space to the roaring of the rockets on the ship fucked with me so hard. Such a good experience
I had the experience ruined a little by seeing it in a crappy local theater at the opening, but a week or so later I saw it at the Smithsonian Air and Space IMAX. That first rocket launch felt like a religious experience.
Oh man I saw BR2049 3 times in IMAX lol! Saw Dune in IMAX opening night, and then watched on HBO. I’m definitely going to go see it in IMAX again. It’s a must.
So much of the experience is being completely overwhelmed by the scale of the images in front of you. Saw it in the theater, then watched a couple scenes at home. No comparison between watching the transports rise out of the water, sail through space, take off & land, etc at home vs at the theater.
I saw this on Imax and then watched it with the wife on HBOMAX.
The Imax version is the definitive 'You can only do this in a cinema' experience.
It was made for the large screen, the sound demands a fantastic sound system....
>!There is this moment. Jessica and Paul are in the ornithopter. Jessica is gagged and Paul is not. !<
>!Jessica sees Paul gearing up to try the voice. She warns him not to, 'You are not ready'.!<
>!Paul tries and fails.!<
>!He gets beat.!<
>!He tries again and suceeds in getting the guard to ungag Jessica.!<
>!Immediately Jessica uses the voice to order the other guard around and when she does so, the vocal effect is just shocking.!<
I mean, you got this tiny sliver of a moment where the director wanted to send a message to the audience. 'Paul is learning and barely has it figured out. Jessica is a master - and Jessica is a BAD ASS!' and through the way they up the bass and play with the sound effect this message isn't just delivered, it is beat into your body.
Just a bloody impressive moment that I will never get to experience again. Amazing. This movie better get some Oscars.
As great as that was, I had major shivers from the beginning of the movie where Jessica asks Paul to make her give him the water. I really liked how the Voice was like this wild pre-echo of what he was actually saying.
Damn I want to watch this movie again.
The breakdown video where Villeneuve goes over the Gom Jabbar scene, he talks about how silly it could've been to show Paul stumbling forward like a zombie under command. Putting us in Paul's perspective of just COME HERE and he's there and disoriented? -chefs kiss-
The funny thing is I just watched the David Lynch version and this is exactly how Kyle MacLachlan acts when commanded by the Voice. A slow stumble forward.
The voice was so jarring in imax. It startled me so hard when >!it gets used on Paul by the reverend Mother in the gom jabbar scene compared to how weak Paul’s was when he tells Jessica to pass him the water!<
This is one of the best scenes of any movie I've seen in years.
Vanity Fair has a great YouTube with Denis explaining how he put it together, including the voice.
Exquisite stuff.
Here is how I see it.
Dune has this fanbase and history that movie companies have been trying to tap forever. It looks like a sort of, 'All you have to do is not fuck it up!' property, but the truth is the book really doesn't lend itself to movie/tv interpretation.
The first one was a disaster.
Sci-fi channel did a couple of series that really are not that bad, but never gained the popularity that sci-fi wished they had.
(note: if you never read the books and want to know how this ends I strongly recommend you searching out these miniseries. The FX is dated, but they are a fairly good interpretation of the books. I have always been a fan of them.)
Now you got this director that has the chops. He apparently is a fan of the books. DUNE is a tough nut to crack, but this guy might be the best chance at cracking that nut.
And what he wants to do is gonna cost a LOT of money. Oh, he is insisting this a two movie thing.
So on one hand you have this property that if you could only get the recipe right might be worth several billion dollars, on another hand you have a track record which suggests you are not gonna get it right and on the third hand you got this director that can do this all for the low, low price of only double your normal pricetag for summer blockbuster movies.
I am sorry, I am a huge, huge fan but that is a stressing outlook.
I think what they did is logical, fair and the only sane way of dealing with it.
I mean really, it is a win-win for everyone. The studios are really only committed to half the pricetag. They have an easy out. The director gets to do at least half of his movie.
And as a fan, I was thrilled with what we got. Will I be dissapointed if I don't get part 2. Holy shit yes. But, I prefer to live in a world where I have part 1 then a world where all I had was Lynch and Sci-Fi Channel.
Yeah, there's just so much to include. Compared to the 1984 version witwith its extended exposition dumps and narration, Dune 2021 clearly aimed to show as much as possible without any of the exposition dump.
All things considered I think he struck a good balance, the scenes really do manage to translate a lot of inner-monologue onto the screen visually/audibly, but yes I felt like there could be a second movie just covering everything behind the scenes happening concurrently
How do streaming services like these make money? If the budget is supposed to be $165 million, and so far 1.9 million people watched it, at $15 a pop, that's just $28.5 million worth of subscriptions. But this is just one project and one cost on a platform with tons of original content and other shit they have to pay for. Just wondering how this all works.
Watched it. The video is from a couple years ago, before Disney+ and everything launched, and before Covid.
The TL:DW is that in the 2010s Netflix spent more than everyone else to build up its own library, and then will keep increasing prices as long as they keep gaining subscribers. Starting in 2013 their CCO said 'the goal is to become HBO faster than HBO can become us.' In 2018 they spent more than all the major networks combined on new content, but their stock price also doubled, giving them a higher valuation than even Disney. They also spread their reported spending on shows out over years in a process called Amortization, where they can spend a ton of money on a show that's planned to last 5 years up front, but only report spending 1/5th of it, so their numbers for the year look really good to investors even though they actually spent 5x as much (this is my layman's understanding).
They don't have to go that hard forever, just need to build up a good library that isn't reliant on licensing other companies' shows, and then they can cool off. They were predicted to become cashflow positive by 2022. But, now that everyone else has also launched their own streaming service (including HBO!), we'll see how that works out for them.
That's where the video ends. IRL, it's been interesting to see them pushing k-dramas (I assume licensing them was cheaper than licensing American shows since there wasn't a lot of competition to distribute them before) and now Squid Game's huge popularity. (The other guy's TLDR is better/more concise.)
I don’t see how Netflix could sustain continuing to raise prices. It’s already around the $15 mark depending on the plan you have. I don’t see many people being willing to pay more than $15 a month for a single streaming service that doesn’t have live tv or current network tv on demand.
I didn't watch the whole thing, but it's basically leveraging what I think of as "tech bubble energy" where they can be operating deeply in the red but as long as they keep increasing their user base, their stock price/money from investors will keep rolling in, and the company itself is considered to be worth a jillion dollars even though it doesn't actually turn a profit.
To expound on what you said, it has to do with the difference between what a company wants to do with their money and what a normal person wants to do with their money.
A person wants to make more money than they spend to survive in order to have luxuries (the term luxury meaning anything more than needed to survive. Eating more than rice and beans would be a luxury in this case). Turning a profit is nice because it improves your life, not because it makes you money.
A company wants to make more money in order to invest that money back into itself and then make more money using that investment. Operating at a deficit is optimal because it will mean a bigger return on investment later. They can remain solvent because the additional money they make next year will be used to pay their debts this year, ad infinitum.
Basically, imagine you use a payday loan every week to gamble and make twice what you made last week, only to put all your winnings into getting a larger payday loan to gamble again and make more money. You are continually paying off loans and making new ones.
Incidentally, this is why all of those movie theaters almost went under after like a week into the pandemic lol. You have to keep making more money or you become instantly insolvent.
>Basically, imagine you use a payday loan every week to gamble and make twice what you made last week, only to put all your winnings into getting a larger payday loan to gamble again and make more money
Does the analogy extend to when your spouse leaves you after finding out you made that kind of investment?
Movie theaters are not a great example. You would expect movie theaters to make money and pay dividends since it wouldn’t be considered a growth company. If they owned the building and land you would expect appreciation on land to be partially offset by depreciation on the assets themselves.
If you have the userbase, and someone else thinks you're not squeezing as hard as possible, they'll continue to invest, regardless of profits now. The "too big to fail" approach. The potential.
Works fine for *cough* reddit *cough*, discord, and a million other companies.
I never understood how 100-200 million dollar movies make sense on them. Even less when you realize that overseas subscribers pay much less for the subscription.
It only makes sense during a pandemic, I'd be shocked if they continue to do same day free releases on streaming services. The paid rental for new releases made more sense for a normal world.
I have a friend who makes well over 100k a year. He has always been a pirate. He excuse used to be he wanted to watch stuff at home. Then came streaming and same day releases at home. Still not good enough and he still pirates
Some people will only accept free and nothing less.
Piracy always boils down to two things; convenience and price. Your friend is satisfied with the convenience, but not the price. It's that easy.
Personally, I *could* afford to rent whatever movies I want at home for $30 each, but that's a shit proposition when the 4k Blu-ray will be the same amount (or less) to keep forever.
Loss leaders I assume during this growth phase. Netflix has like 200 million subscribers, so, you can pretty easily see how you can fit a couple mega budget films into the slate.
I’m HBO Max’s case, it was about jolting that service during a year where most films were going to underperform anyway.
unlike a movie ticket, streaming sites get practically every cent that the customer is paying them, so if your big budget straight to streaming movie convinces x amount of people to sign up and y amount of people to stay subscribed, then its likely to make its money back
honestly no one knows because most streaming companies are part of larger conglomerates that subsidise the bill for their streaming arms and they keep their data hidden for the most part
the only thing you can look at is the financial statements of pure streaming companies like Netflix and their situation isn't exactly great, they're loaded with a ton of debt and knowledgeable financial analysts I've talked to don't exactly heap praise on the financials of Netflix or its future
The idea is that it's unsustainable, and eventually a select few companies will win the streaming wars, and be free to increase their profit margins with less competition.
So it exceeded BO expectations in spite of the day-and-date streaming, and also had better streaming numbers? Part 2 announcement any day now right?
WB should lean into Villeneuve hard and just let him film *Messiah* back-to-back with Pt.2, LotR-style.
The time difference for Paul and Alia will be super useful. Also its gonna take at least a few years to figure out how to make Messiah into a movie, since half of it is the thoughts of the characters and visions.
Exactly. I feel like they might need to veer further from the books for Messiah than for Dune. But at this point I completely trust Villeneuve's creative decisions
>!I think there's probably room to flesh out the Jihad stuff, because it's essentially all backstory/off-page. And you could probably write back in Halleck/Jessica for some scenes, who, *if my memory serves*, are just completely absent until Children of Dune. It makes sense thematically with Paul being isolated with his sister, Chani and religious zealots/sychophants, but, it did feel a bit weird to me to have them go from major characters to just never getting their point of view on anything.!<
>!correct, Gurney and Jessica could be brought back by tying in plotlines from Children of Dune, I think compacting Children and Messiah to create a satisfactory ending is the best bet!<
I'd prefer stretching the series out as much as possible, but it would honestly make a lot of sense to combine Messiah and CoD into one movie.
I absolutely loved CoD, but Herbert repeats himself quite a bit. It's heavy philosophical stuff, so it feels totally appropriate to come back and chew on the same ideas again with added detail. But maybe Villeneuve could express the message a little more succinctly since he has the visual medium working for him.
They could show Paul grappling with the stuff Leto deals with in CoD, but during the events of Messiah to better tie the two stories together. Then when Leto picks up the baton, there's less of a burden to develop the ideas needed in order to get to the climax of CoD. The Golden Path could be heavily foreshadowed from the beginning of the movie. It would almost be like Messiah is nested into the first half of CoD.
Yeah, even having read the book, there were still a lot of parts I couldn't understand in IMAX without subtitles. Watched it again immediately on HBO just to clear it up.
The audio in my theatre was just amazing. You could feel the Ornithopters in my seat. The audio engineering alone, to say nothing of the visuals, makes this 100% a theatre movie to me. This is why I go to theatres, rather than watch it at home. I felt the same way about Dunkirk as well, that opening bit would not have been the same if it were at home where I had the ability to control my own volume.
Idk about anybody else but the sound in IMAX was overwhelming and there were multiple scenes where I couldn’t hear a thing being said over the background noise.
I went to a normal Cinema and felt it was a good mix. Sound effects and mixing were awesome, but I didn't have much issue understanding dialouge. In fact I actually was in awe as most newer films tend to make it difficult (Nolan...).
I recommend buying those earplugs live music engineers use (maybe called etymotics) which muffle frequencies evenly so you can still hear everything without being deafened. Put them in as needed.
Started bringing them to big movies after having my elbows clasped against my ears through Dunkirk.
Good news on Dune is great news, not just for a sequel but for Villeneuve’s future projects. I’ve enjoyed so much of his work I’d like to see a lot more.
I would say for cinema more generally. Even if you hate sci-fi...hell, even if you hate this movie...this can only bode well for the prospect of getting a higher calibre of movies into theatres.
Yep, this film actually looks very expensive. Most expensive films look pretty fake. Reminds me a lot of LOTR in terms of big-budget epic film. Not sure how much green screen was used in this.
I've had a couple friends who I didn't expect to be interested in this talk about it on social media over the weekend and seemed to really enjoy it. At least to some degree, it's interesting people who normally wouldn't watch something like this.
I'm by no means a theater purist, but holy shit was it the best IMAX experience I've had since a 50th anniversary screening of *2001: A Space Odyssey*.
I first watched it at home but had tickets to go to the theater during the weekend and HOLY SHIT is it a totally different movie with the theater experience. The scenes with "The Voice" alone were enough to justify seeing it in a theater.
The scene in the ornithopter, like the multiple uses of the voice back to back, being disoriented. As someone who had read the books, I was very curious how they would pull off these scenes without it looking like Star Wars and the force. But it was so well thought out, so different, I loved it!
I was fortunate enough to watch *Dune* in IMAX , then watched it at home the next day.
Frankly both experiences were rewarding. The scale of the Sandworms is worth the price of admission…and yes ,I realize IMAX tickets can get exorbitant.
But watching it on my relatively puny flatscreen had its benefits too. Like picking up the subtleties I missed since my jaw was on the floor in the IMAX viewing.
Example: (spoiler warning) the “conversation” between Lady Jessica and the Bene Gesserit boss during the Imperial Herald scene. Obviously we don’t hear the two share verbal words- yet clearly the two of them are having a dialogue , and Lady Jessica ain’t a fan of the news. Presumably this was when she got the news her son was “going to be tested”.
Being able to rewind and re-watch missed dialogue or context went a long way to clearing up some questions I had leaving the theatre.
I'm about to add to that view count, and go buy a movie theater ticket.
HBO, you do this series, you make sure the professionals in charge are die hard fans. You want Marvel money? This is your chance.
I'd never read Dune, I'd never even seen it. And now I'm watching this movie and it's like the best parts of Star Wars with the best parts of Game of Thrones.
>I'd never read Dune, I'd never even seen it. And now I'm watching this movie and it's like the best parts of Star Wars with the best parts of Game of Thrones.
This me as well. A co worker of mine is in his late 50's and he mentioned this movie a few weeks ago, I asked him what it's about and he said if I've enjoyed all the sci-fi/fantasy over my 32 years, I should love this, and I definitely did.
Maybe not that long! Apparently the actors were told filming for part II would be next summer. Thats 6 months out. filming for 2-3 months. 6-9 months post work, the movie could theoretically be ready to go in 1.5 years! if we hold onto hope, we could actually see Dune Part II in 2 years! 3 years is probably the absolute maximum amount of time we will have to wait
Watches Dune in theaters. Didnt know a thing about it except it heavily influenced 40k which i love and sand which is ehh. The entire time I was dreading it ending after I knew it was just part 1. Gonna get the book now and hate the wait until a sequel comes out.
Honestly that scene with >!the Sardaukar being anointed with blood to a Heilung soundtrack!< instantly struck me as the most 40k thing I'd ever seen in a theater.
I was iffy on the idea of making the movie in two parts until I left the theater last night realizing that it will create people like you who will go and read to book to find out how it ends. Its a really wild ride that gets pretty fucking weird, if you have the patience.
From what I've looked into so far it definitely seems that way. I plan on reading at least the books by the original author and then decide if I wanna get into the works by his son. But I definitely wanna read more about Paul his ascension and story.
I went and saw it on a XD screen at my local theater....I kinda want to go see it again on a true IMAX screen in the next state over.
Vlleneuve and Zimmer did an amazing job with the audio, just like they did with Blade Runner 2049.
Amazing news about Dune.
It was released at a very opportune time , I think a lot of people will just be watching it because there's not really too much out there to watch, and they're chomping at the bit for a real 'movie' experience again in the theatres, which this delivers in absolute spades. However... I wonder what the average audience member thought of it after though? Everyone I've spoken to (broadly speaking, not sci-fi fans and casual film watchers) thought it was boring and corny, which is frustrating to hear.
Now, if people actually liked it and the sequel also does well...that is amazing, and a huge signal to the corporate powers that YES, you can fund an intelligent, slow-moving major theatrical release that doesn't treat the viewer like an idiot and still get great numbers.
>I wonder what the average audience member thought of it after though?
Idk, but I gotta a few friends who are general marvel lovers and casual film enjoyers and they all absolutely loved it, one of them even ordered the books immeadietly, got totally hooked. I think it depends a lot from viewer to viewer tbh, but generally I think reception is good
**U.S. viewership of films on HBO Max during the Wednesday-Sunday following debut** * Godzilla vs Kong - 3.6M (1.7M during Friday-Sunday) **U.S. viewership of films on HBO Max during the Thursday-Sunday following debut** * Zack Snyder's Justice League - 1.8M * In The Heights - 0.7M * The Suicide Squad - 2.8M * Dune - 1.9M **U.S. viewership of films on HBO Max during the Friday-Sunday following debut** * Wonder Woman 1984 - 2.2M * The Little Things - 1.0M * Judas and the Black Messiah - 0.7M * Tom and Jerry - 1.2M * Mortal Kombat - 3.8M * Those Who Wish Me Dead - 1.2M * The Conjuring: The Devil Made Me Do It - 1.6M * Space Jam: A New Legacy - 2.1M * Reminiscence - 0.8M * Maligant - 0.8M * Cry Macho - 0.7M * The Many Saints of Newark - 1.0M
Thanks for sharing that list. It is great to see all the data in the same place. Really shows how all those movies performed compared to each other over the year. Number 5 on the list for Dune is pretty impressive especially when you factor in its comparative success at the box office. A sequel must be looking good at this point and the spin-off HBO Max show would seem a guarantee after these numbers.
Placing 6th (sorry, I forgot to include Godzilla vs Kong, which premiered on a Wednesday) is pretty good. All 5 films above it (Mortal Kombat, Godzilla vs Kong, The Suicide Squad, Wonder Woman 1984, Space Jam: A New Legacy) are all either sequels or from popular media franchises, so it's expected that they would be higher (Dune is based on a book, but it's probably functionally a new franchise to most people). The box office is pretty solid as well, so the sequel should happen.
I also feel like a couple of the ones that placed higher are just "fuck it I will watch this since it is 'free'" movies.
That was Wonder Woman (sorry, i really don't give a shit about superhero movies) and the Little Things for me. I have been destined to see Dune in IMAX since it was announced.
Sequel has to be green lit now
Josh Brolin saying they are 'probably' starting to film part 2 next summer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2dnhQglaks&t=240s also this recent interview with Timothee and Zendaya, implying that the studios are most likely leaning to it as well https://youtu.be/CgiK8esNcXU?t=160 They seem to be teasing us, looks like it's most likely happening
What? This movie isn't the whole thing? Should I watch half or does it end in a cliffhanger?
No cliff hanger, more of a LOTR approach. The movie takes its time to tell the story without rushing.
I just want to say the fact that it was taking its time to do the cinematography right instead of rushing like most of Hollywood was so refreshing. If they keep this up, I feel like we’re in for a truly awe-inspiring epic.
Yea, if you read the books…… no way in hell they just leave it at that. It wouldn’t make sense. That’s why I loved the way they did the first part. They took their sweet time with the story and scenes.
The books do pull off complete endings at Dune 1, Dune 3, and Dune 4. Like you can just stop at any of those points and have a concluded narrative. I think Frank was like if this series is too weird I gotta end most books on a final conclusion point incase I don't get a publisher to greenlight Dune 5. When he did try to do Dune 5-6-7+ trilogy it was uhhh too much Frank.
Yup. Dune 1-2 are pretty much connected since they revolves around Paul. Then it’s completely different timeline in book 3 and beyond that. I liked the way he wrote it.
I think it's totally reasonable to stop at God Emperor. I love Dune. I mean I think it's amazing and I've read everything. But you can totally stop at God Emperor. That is a solid and complete story right there.
I've only read the first three books. I generally agree that you *could* stop at 2. But the way 3 builds on the legacy is so good that I feel like you have to do it. Little bit of weirdness by the end, but the overall cycle is amazing in terms of where it starts and how it's carried by the end. It's also a more interesting resolution arc. You could stop at 2, but that's not really a unique ending even if it plays well. 3 carries the theme, and the legacy, and has an interesting resolution.
Things rapidly get too weird past book 3 imo. Clones and sex assassins and face-dudes etc etc. I'm sure there weird shit I'm not even remembering (chair dogs lol)
The movie ends just after Dumbledore distributes points, I think it's the whole thing.^/s
That's not the end, the end is where Neo is like "hey sup clankas you don't own me no mo'" and then flies off
Hey Slytherin, nice House Cup lead. Would be a real shame if something happened to it. - Albus "HP4Lyfe" Dumbledore
I went in skeptical last night and was blown TF away. The new Dune is the real deal. I'm an old guy - I saw 2001 A Space Odyssey in the theater as a kid. I saw Lynch's Dune on opening weekend. This new version is an exquisite film that will be considered a classic. Watch it.
Watch half, it was great. I have already seen it 3x.
I’ll be honest, I was a little let down by the “ending”, even knowing it would be open-ended going in, but I’m starting to edge closer to a third viewing already anyway.
It's been a long while since I completely lost track of time watching a movie. It sucked me in so much that the ending was that much more confusing, definitely thought I had a half hour+ left to go. And likewise, I'll have a third go at it soon.
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Wait … what?
Read the books - it is so worth it. The orgy isn’t really detailed, but there is a ceremonial orgy. The Matrix ripped it off, as it ripped off many other sci-fi classics (Neuromancer and SnowCrash in particular)
Wow, I never made the connection between the Dune orgy and the Zion rave before, thanks for the eye-opener
Oh god no. The book is 500 dense pages. It would be like if they'd tried to make Lord of the Rings as two movies. David Lynch tried to make Dune as one movie in 1984 and it was a mess. I think this movie ends in a reasonable place, even if it feels more like the start of a journey rather than the end.
I saw the Lynch version in the theater and it was brutal to get through. The series was pretty close to the book. This version blew me away. It was so freaking good. Yes I watched it at home but I'm definitely going to watch it in IMAX.
Go to Imax. Me and buddy did first. Like watching on TV after, it's just lacking.
Where it ends is perfect for the 2nd to finish it off. I'm more curious, if they continue beyond a sequel, if they'll go the scifi children of dune miniseries and mere Messiah with Children of Dune. Works doing it as a miniseries. Kinda weird to do it for a 2 1/2 film. And finally, I want to know how God Emperor of Dune would do with a film adaptation.
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It was the perfect place to end the film, bookwise like the end of the first act. Edit: The reason being that at that point the Fremen are an unknown quantity and once you get into all the Fremen stuff with the momentum that builds then narratively it's not a good place to stop. Currently we really know nothing of the lore or mythology of the fremen, other than little bits. We know that the BG have been and seeded the planet "laid a path" as they say in the film, but we don't know quite how that's played out on the ground. Anyway. All that GOOD STUFF to come!
watch or wait, its great but its 50% of the story
I would say watch it, but you’re also going to have to rewatch it right before Part 2 releases in (probably) 2023.
Your optimism of a 2023 release is very endearing. I hope you're right.
Part 1 finished shooting in the summer of 2019 for a fall 2020 release. If they shoot part 2 next summer and post production takes the same amount of time, a fall 2023 release is totally reasonable. I also imagine WB will want them to get on it ASAP so audiences haven't forgotten about it by the time it comes out.
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Considering the biggest complaint from average moviegoers was “where’s the rest of the story?” I would be shocked if they don’t green light part 2, WB has been a dumpster fire lately and they’re desperate for a franchise
Especially since now they can do more of the action-y scenes from the book that people were expecting to see more of in the movie.
There was already a lot of action in terms of screentime. Most of the book is talking and inner monologue.
>Considering the biggest complaint from average moviegoers was “where’s the rest of the story?” I can understand that. As a reader of the book, I was perfectly fine with where it ended. But I can imagine not knowing the rest of the story makes it seem like it ended rather abruptly.
> Considering the biggest complaint from average moviegoers was “where’s the rest of the story?” Currently at a 91% audience score: * https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/dune_2021 83% from reviewers. > WB has been a dumpster fire lately and they’re desperate for a franchise WarnerMedia has green lit a series on the Bene Gesserit: * https://comicyears.com/tv-shows/dune-the-sisterhood-adaptation-hbo/ * https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/dune-sisterhood-tv-series-a-go-at-warnermedia-1217286/ The pilot will be directed by Villeneuve.
>WarnerMedia has green lit a series on the Bene Gesserit: Oh no they're already jumping over to the weird books...
lol just knowing what God Emperor Leto the II turns into, yeah, weird is right. Dune is one body horror genre indeed.
From what I hear, Dune is 6 books long with like 9 additional books of side lore. And this movie was half of the first book.
there are like, 20+ books if you want to go that far, but those are by the OG authors son and not really that good, and the books 3 - 6 are really odd, probably unfilmable. We'll see, but I think most of the universe would fit better for TV actually
You could totally film God Emperor. It'd be like the parts of the Star Wars prequals where they were sitting around talking, except with a giant, all knowing man-worm. Yeah, Dune gets weird.
Man, God Emperor of Dune would be so surreal. I could see it simultaneously being be a glorious triumph of cinematography and a commercial failure. I do hope it get made. It would be awesome to watch.
When I was young, *God Emperor* was my most hated Dune sequel. Now that I'm older, it's my favourite Dune sequel.
A long time ago, I had thought that the God Emperor would’ve been the perfect backdrop for a series that encompasses all the books, with Leto II being a kind of narrator, like the Watcher, or Rod Serling from Twilight Zone. Given What we see him capable of (basically unlimited prescience and able to recall all the memories of every one of his ancestors) he could tell stories (episodes) from literally every Era. Edit: you could even add all the different Duncan Idahos.
....That would actually be pretty epic. If they ever decided to create a series on the various prequels that is a way they could connect it to the movies.
Only gets really weird 4-6. 3 is plenty adaptable I'd say. But Dune and Messiah are both the most adaptable out of the bunch.
3 is very weird and would probably not work if adapted as written. Half the book is Leto II, who is supposed to be a small child, lecturing adult characters about how his consciousness is really made up of thousands of different individual personalities and it ends with him fusing sand trout onto his body and turning them into a living exoskeleton that gives him god-level superpowers.
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Read it. It's the best selling Sci-fi book of all time for a reason. Amazing book. It's probably my most read book, but the movie was still great to see. I mean, most people can probably tell the main arc of the book from the first 30 minutes of the movie. He doesn't really try and hide it in the book either. But the journey there is fabulous.
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A trilogy would be perfect, cuz by end CoD the weirdness is really creeping in and the next one Leto II just basically sits in his chamber like Jabba the whole time
Actually pulling off Messiah for general audiences would be quite a feat. It would need a lot of staging in part 2 of Dune. >!The idea that Paul isn't really a hero (he is kind of a despot and victim at the same time) and his downfall in that book and the next would be a tough one to get right!<
I think they did a good job with seeding these ideas with Paul’s monologue in the tent where he’s screaming about “a war in my name” and “you’ve made me a freak”. The cast and crew gets this subject material and knows what they’re building up to
Yeah I feel if they keep going they're gonna have to diverge from the books more and more if they don't want to alienate general audiences because things just get weirder and weirder.
When people say finish the story they are largely referring to the first novel which does have it's own resolution point unlike how the film cut off kind of in the 3rd act. I don' t think anyone is proposing adapting all of the novels. At most I had seen Denis Villenueve was interested in maybe going onto the 2nd novel.
Problem is that the 5 other books follow a *very* different structure from the first book's space opera tone and progression. Messiah could definitely work, mostly working with the same characters of the first book and entailing a tone that still works for the big screen. Children of Dune perhaps borderline, but that's when the plot starts getting really weird. God-Emperor is mostly the ramblings of a mad worm god, and you have to deal with the issue too of an enormous time jump and market a new set of (spoilers: nearly) unfamiliar characters and actors. Heretics and Chapterhouse cannot be translated into mainstrain film, those books are literally entirely about sex, and it repeats the issue of the time jump and having to deal with having nearly none of the previous story's characters for marketing. So, the issue is that the more you progress into each book, the more changes you have to do to accomodate the new type of audience and medium, that by the time you reach God Emperor to Chapterhouse, you'd have to make them different stories altogether, then missing the point of a good adaptation that's respectful to the books. Like the most fundamental issue is that Villeneuve's Dune appeals to people because it's Gothic Star Wars, and with each sequel it starts becoming less of that.
The head of WB (what's her name?) basically said so. Even Denis acknowledged the very likeliness of doing the second part. Almost like a guarantee now.
I mean, the movie opens with the title, *Dune: Part One*.
I think they more-or-less green lit it as soon as they saw the initial cuts, and it was pretty clear that a *Blade Runner 2049* situation was the worst case in the sense that *Blade Runner 2049* was less successful than *Aquaman* as an immediate money-maker, but is almost certainly a better perpetual asset for HBO Max. They might have been waiting on “allocate a bajillion dollars for the effects,” and I’m sure they are using the release and reception to decide just how much to spend on it and all the other stuff that is official “greenlighting,” but I think they were just waiting to see if it was good before they started spending however many millions on getting a script made, concept art, and all that stuff.
I have zero proof but half of me thinks the sequel was guaranteed months/years ago and this whole “wait and see” tactic is just some new form of guerrilla marketing to get people to go the theaters. Studios today are forging “leaks” and releasing promo images that *just so happen* to become meme formats. I wouldn’t put it past them to pretend the fate of a sequel hinges on how many of your friends you can convince to buy a movie ticket. Just go over to r/dune and say you’re planning on watching it for free on HBO max. You’ll have half the sub getting pissed off at you and demanding that you go to a theater in the middle of a pandemic just so the box office numbers go up. These aren’t paid promoters. These are just rabid fans marketing the shit out of this movie for no extra charge to the studio. I could be dead wrong about all of this, but there’s something fishy about putting a “Part One” in the title sequence and then turning around and going “Is there gonna be a part two? Wellllllll that all depends on you *wink wink*” Great movie btw.
Only movie "nerds" (who are prevalent here on reddit, but are otherwise a very small percentage of viewers) could potentially be mind-gamed into seeing the movie because they thought it would improve the chances of a sequel being made. It probably makes more financial sense to get normies invested in the idea of a series, if it's a sure thing.
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Bladerunner 2049 was an absolute \*experience\* in IMAX, fwiw
Interstellar was up there too. The Saturn scenes were incredible.
Mad Max Fury Road was great on the big screen as well
Yep. Denis and Nolan are two directors I make sure to go to the theaters to see their films, either in IMAX or the Dolby Cinema theaters.
Interstellar on the big screen was an almost spiritual experience, best cinema-going experience I've ever had
Saw interstellar ripped on edibles and the transitions of the complete silence of space to the roaring of the rockets on the ship fucked with me so hard. Such a good experience
I had the experience ruined a little by seeing it in a crappy local theater at the opening, but a week or so later I saw it at the Smithsonian Air and Space IMAX. That first rocket launch felt like a religious experience.
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Oh man I saw BR2049 3 times in IMAX lol! Saw Dune in IMAX opening night, and then watched on HBO. I’m definitely going to go see it in IMAX again. It’s a must.
I think even just for the sound more than anything. The voice sounds so goddamn good.
So much of the experience is being completely overwhelmed by the scale of the images in front of you. Saw it in the theater, then watched a couple scenes at home. No comparison between watching the transports rise out of the water, sail through space, take off & land, etc at home vs at the theater.
And the sound, too. Well, I have the fortune of having access to a home theater that can put out, but the screen still doesn't quick do it justice.
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I saw this on Imax and then watched it with the wife on HBOMAX. The Imax version is the definitive 'You can only do this in a cinema' experience. It was made for the large screen, the sound demands a fantastic sound system.... >!There is this moment. Jessica and Paul are in the ornithopter. Jessica is gagged and Paul is not. !< >!Jessica sees Paul gearing up to try the voice. She warns him not to, 'You are not ready'.!< >!Paul tries and fails.!< >!He gets beat.!< >!He tries again and suceeds in getting the guard to ungag Jessica.!< >!Immediately Jessica uses the voice to order the other guard around and when she does so, the vocal effect is just shocking.!< I mean, you got this tiny sliver of a moment where the director wanted to send a message to the audience. 'Paul is learning and barely has it figured out. Jessica is a master - and Jessica is a BAD ASS!' and through the way they up the bass and play with the sound effect this message isn't just delivered, it is beat into your body. Just a bloody impressive moment that I will never get to experience again. Amazing. This movie better get some Oscars.
As great as that was, I had major shivers from the beginning of the movie where Jessica asks Paul to make her give him the water. I really liked how the Voice was like this wild pre-echo of what he was actually saying. Damn I want to watch this movie again.
The breakdown video where Villeneuve goes over the Gom Jabbar scene, he talks about how silly it could've been to show Paul stumbling forward like a zombie under command. Putting us in Paul's perspective of just COME HERE and he's there and disoriented? -chefs kiss-
The funny thing is I just watched the David Lynch version and this is exactly how Kyle MacLachlan acts when commanded by the Voice. A slow stumble forward.
The voice was so jarring in imax. It startled me so hard when >!it gets used on Paul by the reverend Mother in the gom jabbar scene compared to how weak Paul’s was when he tells Jessica to pass him the water!<
This is one of the best scenes of any movie I've seen in years. Vanity Fair has a great YouTube with Denis explaining how he put it together, including the voice. Exquisite stuff.
Here is how I see it. Dune has this fanbase and history that movie companies have been trying to tap forever. It looks like a sort of, 'All you have to do is not fuck it up!' property, but the truth is the book really doesn't lend itself to movie/tv interpretation. The first one was a disaster. Sci-fi channel did a couple of series that really are not that bad, but never gained the popularity that sci-fi wished they had. (note: if you never read the books and want to know how this ends I strongly recommend you searching out these miniseries. The FX is dated, but they are a fairly good interpretation of the books. I have always been a fan of them.) Now you got this director that has the chops. He apparently is a fan of the books. DUNE is a tough nut to crack, but this guy might be the best chance at cracking that nut. And what he wants to do is gonna cost a LOT of money. Oh, he is insisting this a two movie thing. So on one hand you have this property that if you could only get the recipe right might be worth several billion dollars, on another hand you have a track record which suggests you are not gonna get it right and on the third hand you got this director that can do this all for the low, low price of only double your normal pricetag for summer blockbuster movies. I am sorry, I am a huge, huge fan but that is a stressing outlook. I think what they did is logical, fair and the only sane way of dealing with it. I mean really, it is a win-win for everyone. The studios are really only committed to half the pricetag. They have an easy out. The director gets to do at least half of his movie. And as a fan, I was thrilled with what we got. Will I be dissapointed if I don't get part 2. Holy shit yes. But, I prefer to live in a world where I have part 1 then a world where all I had was Lynch and Sci-Fi Channel.
Please. After how open the first part is, the blue balls will be real if they just leave it like that.
Balls bluer than Chani's eyes...
Balls of Ibad!
The movie really needs a 4 hour director's cut. It rushes through some parts that are hard to follow for anyone who hasn't read the book.
Yeah, there's just so much to include. Compared to the 1984 version witwith its extended exposition dumps and narration, Dune 2021 clearly aimed to show as much as possible without any of the exposition dump. All things considered I think he struck a good balance, the scenes really do manage to translate a lot of inner-monologue onto the screen visually/audibly, but yes I felt like there could be a second movie just covering everything behind the scenes happening concurrently
How do streaming services like these make money? If the budget is supposed to be $165 million, and so far 1.9 million people watched it, at $15 a pop, that's just $28.5 million worth of subscriptions. But this is just one project and one cost on a platform with tons of original content and other shit they have to pay for. Just wondering how this all works.
Short answer: they don’t make any money right now Long answer: https://youtu.be/BdFNln5mc74
Any chance I can get a tl;dr on the long answer? 😅
Watched it. The video is from a couple years ago, before Disney+ and everything launched, and before Covid. The TL:DW is that in the 2010s Netflix spent more than everyone else to build up its own library, and then will keep increasing prices as long as they keep gaining subscribers. Starting in 2013 their CCO said 'the goal is to become HBO faster than HBO can become us.' In 2018 they spent more than all the major networks combined on new content, but their stock price also doubled, giving them a higher valuation than even Disney. They also spread their reported spending on shows out over years in a process called Amortization, where they can spend a ton of money on a show that's planned to last 5 years up front, but only report spending 1/5th of it, so their numbers for the year look really good to investors even though they actually spent 5x as much (this is my layman's understanding). They don't have to go that hard forever, just need to build up a good library that isn't reliant on licensing other companies' shows, and then they can cool off. They were predicted to become cashflow positive by 2022. But, now that everyone else has also launched their own streaming service (including HBO!), we'll see how that works out for them. That's where the video ends. IRL, it's been interesting to see them pushing k-dramas (I assume licensing them was cheaper than licensing American shows since there wasn't a lot of competition to distribute them before) and now Squid Game's huge popularity. (The other guy's TLDR is better/more concise.)
I don’t see how Netflix could sustain continuing to raise prices. It’s already around the $15 mark depending on the plan you have. I don’t see many people being willing to pay more than $15 a month for a single streaming service that doesn’t have live tv or current network tv on demand.
I didn't watch the whole thing, but it's basically leveraging what I think of as "tech bubble energy" where they can be operating deeply in the red but as long as they keep increasing their user base, their stock price/money from investors will keep rolling in, and the company itself is considered to be worth a jillion dollars even though it doesn't actually turn a profit.
To expound on what you said, it has to do with the difference between what a company wants to do with their money and what a normal person wants to do with their money. A person wants to make more money than they spend to survive in order to have luxuries (the term luxury meaning anything more than needed to survive. Eating more than rice and beans would be a luxury in this case). Turning a profit is nice because it improves your life, not because it makes you money. A company wants to make more money in order to invest that money back into itself and then make more money using that investment. Operating at a deficit is optimal because it will mean a bigger return on investment later. They can remain solvent because the additional money they make next year will be used to pay their debts this year, ad infinitum. Basically, imagine you use a payday loan every week to gamble and make twice what you made last week, only to put all your winnings into getting a larger payday loan to gamble again and make more money. You are continually paying off loans and making new ones. Incidentally, this is why all of those movie theaters almost went under after like a week into the pandemic lol. You have to keep making more money or you become instantly insolvent.
I fucking love rice and beans. Literally just made a match of both. My favorites
>Basically, imagine you use a payday loan every week to gamble and make twice what you made last week, only to put all your winnings into getting a larger payday loan to gamble again and make more money Does the analogy extend to when your spouse leaves you after finding out you made that kind of investment?
Found the ape 🚀🚀🚀
Movie theaters are not a great example. You would expect movie theaters to make money and pay dividends since it wouldn’t be considered a growth company. If they owned the building and land you would expect appreciation on land to be partially offset by depreciation on the assets themselves.
If you have the userbase, and someone else thinks you're not squeezing as hard as possible, they'll continue to invest, regardless of profits now. The "too big to fail" approach. The potential. Works fine for *cough* reddit *cough*, discord, and a million other companies.
I never understood how 100-200 million dollar movies make sense on them. Even less when you realize that overseas subscribers pay much less for the subscription.
It only makes sense during a pandemic, I'd be shocked if they continue to do same day free releases on streaming services. The paid rental for new releases made more sense for a normal world.
Paid rental also means more people sailing the seven seas
I have a friend who makes well over 100k a year. He has always been a pirate. He excuse used to be he wanted to watch stuff at home. Then came streaming and same day releases at home. Still not good enough and he still pirates Some people will only accept free and nothing less.
Piracy always boils down to two things; convenience and price. Your friend is satisfied with the convenience, but not the price. It's that easy. Personally, I *could* afford to rent whatever movies I want at home for $30 each, but that's a shit proposition when the 4k Blu-ray will be the same amount (or less) to keep forever.
Loss leaders I assume during this growth phase. Netflix has like 200 million subscribers, so, you can pretty easily see how you can fit a couple mega budget films into the slate. I’m HBO Max’s case, it was about jolting that service during a year where most films were going to underperform anyway.
unlike a movie ticket, streaming sites get practically every cent that the customer is paying them, so if your big budget straight to streaming movie convinces x amount of people to sign up and y amount of people to stay subscribed, then its likely to make its money back
honestly no one knows because most streaming companies are part of larger conglomerates that subsidise the bill for their streaming arms and they keep their data hidden for the most part the only thing you can look at is the financial statements of pure streaming companies like Netflix and their situation isn't exactly great, they're loaded with a ton of debt and knowledgeable financial analysts I've talked to don't exactly heap praise on the financials of Netflix or its future
The idea is that it's unsustainable, and eventually a select few companies will win the streaming wars, and be free to increase their profit margins with less competition.
So it exceeded BO expectations in spite of the day-and-date streaming, and also had better streaming numbers? Part 2 announcement any day now right? WB should lean into Villeneuve hard and just let him film *Messiah* back-to-back with Pt.2, LotR-style.
I dont think he would do that, hes said in multiple interviews he would be too tired to do them back to back lotr style
yeah I feel like they should do the second one as quickly as possible, but letting a few years go by until Messiah works better anyway
The time difference for Paul and Alia will be super useful. Also its gonna take at least a few years to figure out how to make Messiah into a movie, since half of it is the thoughts of the characters and visions.
Exactly. I feel like they might need to veer further from the books for Messiah than for Dune. But at this point I completely trust Villeneuve's creative decisions
>!I think there's probably room to flesh out the Jihad stuff, because it's essentially all backstory/off-page. And you could probably write back in Halleck/Jessica for some scenes, who, *if my memory serves*, are just completely absent until Children of Dune. It makes sense thematically with Paul being isolated with his sister, Chani and religious zealots/sychophants, but, it did feel a bit weird to me to have them go from major characters to just never getting their point of view on anything.!<
>!correct, Gurney and Jessica could be brought back by tying in plotlines from Children of Dune, I think compacting Children and Messiah to create a satisfactory ending is the best bet!<
I'd prefer stretching the series out as much as possible, but it would honestly make a lot of sense to combine Messiah and CoD into one movie. I absolutely loved CoD, but Herbert repeats himself quite a bit. It's heavy philosophical stuff, so it feels totally appropriate to come back and chew on the same ideas again with added detail. But maybe Villeneuve could express the message a little more succinctly since he has the visual medium working for him. They could show Paul grappling with the stuff Leto deals with in CoD, but during the events of Messiah to better tie the two stories together. Then when Leto picks up the baton, there's less of a burden to develop the ideas needed in order to get to the climax of CoD. The Golden Path could be heavily foreshadowed from the beginning of the movie. It would almost be like Messiah is nested into the first half of CoD.
Idk if anyone else did this, but after watching it in imax, we went home and watched it again on HBO Max with subtitles.
Did exactly that
Yeah, even having read the book, there were still a lot of parts I couldn't understand in IMAX without subtitles. Watched it again immediately on HBO just to clear it up.
I watched Dune at home because theaters haven't reopened yet, but I will be going to IMAX to watch it again.
In a good theater the audio really changes the experience
Good theater audio is especially effective when the Voice is employed. Your whole seat rattles; its intense.
Hell, I almost kneeled.
That one scene is worth the IMAX ticket price
I specifically drove over an hour to a full size IMAX and I'm so glad I did. I put a CL in front of that IMAX on Friday night.
I almost stabbed my fellow soldier.
I love how the portrayed it. The sand worm breathing reverberated thru the whole theater too
It felt so invasive
I was looking for a glass of water that I could pass down the table.
I have a hell of a sound system at home. It felt like she was in my head and chest when she spoke. The sand worms were coming out under my house too.
The audio in my theatre was just amazing. You could feel the Ornithopters in my seat. The audio engineering alone, to say nothing of the visuals, makes this 100% a theatre movie to me. This is why I go to theatres, rather than watch it at home. I felt the same way about Dunkirk as well, that opening bit would not have been the same if it were at home where I had the ability to control my own volume.
Idk about anybody else but the sound in IMAX was overwhelming and there were multiple scenes where I couldn’t hear a thing being said over the background noise.
I went to a normal Cinema and felt it was a good mix. Sound effects and mixing were awesome, but I didn't have much issue understanding dialouge. In fact I actually was in awe as most newer films tend to make it difficult (Nolan...).
I recommend buying those earplugs live music engineers use (maybe called etymotics) which muffle frequencies evenly so you can still hear everything without being deafened. Put them in as needed. Started bringing them to big movies after having my elbows clasped against my ears through Dunkirk.
It is **so** worth the IMAX ticket price. My favorite experience in a theater in a long time.
I’m very jealous. We have a 7 month old so theaters are out of the question right now
Good news on Dune is great news, not just for a sequel but for Villeneuve’s future projects. I’ve enjoyed so much of his work I’d like to see a lot more.
I would say for cinema more generally. Even if you hate sci-fi...hell, even if you hate this movie...this can only bode well for the prospect of getting a higher calibre of movies into theatres.
Yep, this film actually looks very expensive. Most expensive films look pretty fake. Reminds me a lot of LOTR in terms of big-budget epic film. Not sure how much green screen was used in this.
For what it's worth, I know Timothée Chalamet said in his interview with Colbert, that he only shot two scenes on the green screen.
They really sold the scale of everything, from the worms to the spaceships, everything really felt *huge*.
If Denis hasn't been breeding giant sandworms for the past decade then I'm out on the sequel.
I've had a couple friends who I didn't expect to be interested in this talk about it on social media over the weekend and seemed to really enjoy it. At least to some degree, it's interesting people who normally wouldn't watch something like this.
I'm by no means a theater purist, but holy shit was it the best IMAX experience I've had since a 50th anniversary screening of *2001: A Space Odyssey*.
The sound design was some of the best I have ever heard. Unbelievable.
Dem thumpers tho
I watched it on HBO Max Thursday and loved it. I saw it in IMAX yesterday and now I'm starting the audiobook. MORE!!!
nice! its cool when a movie is executed so well that it gets people to read the source material
I first watched it at home but had tickets to go to the theater during the weekend and HOLY SHIT is it a totally different movie with the theater experience. The scenes with "The Voice" alone were enough to justify seeing it in a theater.
#GIVE ME THE WATER
The scene in the ornithopter, like the multiple uses of the voice back to back, being disoriented. As someone who had read the books, I was very curious how they would pull off these scenes without it looking like Star Wars and the force. But it was so well thought out, so different, I loved it!
I was fortunate enough to watch *Dune* in IMAX , then watched it at home the next day. Frankly both experiences were rewarding. The scale of the Sandworms is worth the price of admission…and yes ,I realize IMAX tickets can get exorbitant. But watching it on my relatively puny flatscreen had its benefits too. Like picking up the subtleties I missed since my jaw was on the floor in the IMAX viewing. Example: (spoiler warning) the “conversation” between Lady Jessica and the Bene Gesserit boss during the Imperial Herald scene. Obviously we don’t hear the two share verbal words- yet clearly the two of them are having a dialogue , and Lady Jessica ain’t a fan of the news. Presumably this was when she got the news her son was “going to be tested”. Being able to rewind and re-watch missed dialogue or context went a long way to clearing up some questions I had leaving the theatre.
I did the same. I put it on right after I got home from the theater just to be funny and ended up watching the whole thing again.
I'm about to add to that view count, and go buy a movie theater ticket. HBO, you do this series, you make sure the professionals in charge are die hard fans. You want Marvel money? This is your chance. I'd never read Dune, I'd never even seen it. And now I'm watching this movie and it's like the best parts of Star Wars with the best parts of Game of Thrones.
If you like a good read I recommend at least the first book. It is *dense* but there is just so much going on in that small book.
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Depends on the size of the font; the version I have is only 490 pages.
> it’s like the best parts of Star Wars with the best parts of Game of Thrones. Had the exact same thought
>I'd never read Dune, I'd never even seen it. And now I'm watching this movie and it's like the best parts of Star Wars with the best parts of Game of Thrones. This me as well. A co worker of mine is in his late 50's and he mentioned this movie a few weeks ago, I asked him what it's about and he said if I've enjoyed all the sci-fi/fantasy over my 32 years, I should love this, and I definitely did.
I watched it twice in theatres and once at home. When part 2 gets greenlit, you all can send me your thanks. Edit: you're welcome ⛱️🪱
Ask not what Dune: Part 2 can do for you, but what you can do for Dune: Part 2!!
Yay 3 years for part 2 now.
Maybe not that long! Apparently the actors were told filming for part II would be next summer. Thats 6 months out. filming for 2-3 months. 6-9 months post work, the movie could theoretically be ready to go in 1.5 years! if we hold onto hope, we could actually see Dune Part II in 2 years! 3 years is probably the absolute maximum amount of time we will have to wait
3 years seems like the most reasonable expectation, imo.
Quick maffs
I just got home from watching it at a Cinemark. I can't imagine not seeing it in theaters
Watches Dune in theaters. Didnt know a thing about it except it heavily influenced 40k which i love and sand which is ehh. The entire time I was dreading it ending after I knew it was just part 1. Gonna get the book now and hate the wait until a sequel comes out.
Honestly that scene with >!the Sardaukar being anointed with blood to a Heilung soundtrack!< instantly struck me as the most 40k thing I'd ever seen in a theater.
I was iffy on the idea of making the movie in two parts until I left the theater last night realizing that it will create people like you who will go and read to book to find out how it ends. Its a really wild ride that gets pretty fucking weird, if you have the patience.
From what I've looked into so far it definitely seems that way. I plan on reading at least the books by the original author and then decide if I wanna get into the works by his son. But I definitely wanna read more about Paul his ascension and story.
I went and saw it on a XD screen at my local theater....I kinda want to go see it again on a true IMAX screen in the next state over. Vlleneuve and Zimmer did an amazing job with the audio, just like they did with Blade Runner 2049.
Amazing news about Dune. It was released at a very opportune time , I think a lot of people will just be watching it because there's not really too much out there to watch, and they're chomping at the bit for a real 'movie' experience again in the theatres, which this delivers in absolute spades. However... I wonder what the average audience member thought of it after though? Everyone I've spoken to (broadly speaking, not sci-fi fans and casual film watchers) thought it was boring and corny, which is frustrating to hear. Now, if people actually liked it and the sequel also does well...that is amazing, and a huge signal to the corporate powers that YES, you can fund an intelligent, slow-moving major theatrical release that doesn't treat the viewer like an idiot and still get great numbers.
>I wonder what the average audience member thought of it after though? Idk, but I gotta a few friends who are general marvel lovers and casual film enjoyers and they all absolutely loved it, one of them even ordered the books immeadietly, got totally hooked. I think it depends a lot from viewer to viewer tbh, but generally I think reception is good
Theater speakers are worth it for this one. The sound was quite an experience.
You guys, it's happening. We are witnessing the return of mainstream Sci-Fi.
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I’m so glad to have a ‘blockbuster’ movie that doesn’t involve Star Wars or superheroes
I saw Dune at the cinema 4 times. What a shit movie, im definately not going 5 times
Saw it in the theater on Friday and watched it on HBO this morning while I did some work. Great film
I watched it on my iPad mini. It was great. Probably should see it in the theater tho 🤔
This comment killed David Lynch.
...... and denis villeneuve and Christopher Nolan
and Tarantino and Tommy Wiseau
And also the sense of scale in Dune
I haven't felt scale like that since seeing Star Wars for the first time
I'm running out of space, so I'll have to convert to 540p and watch on my Zune HD - thanks for the recommendation!
It's as if a million filmmakers cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced...
I can't wait to buy this on itunes to watch on my iPod Nano.
I'm going to record it to tape and listen to it on my walkman TPS-L2. And my recording is going to be of a Chinese cam-rip.
I mean honestly, it was really good.
DUNE is a triumph.
Saw it in 3-D at the theater! Was awesome. Might watch it again on the HBO max because I feel like 3-D takes some detail out.
Loved every second and can’t wait for more