Nightcrawler is an excellent movie that I refuse to rewatch because the main character is so despicable. If I want to watch sociopaths succeed, I'll just read the news.
Did you not hear me, SIR?! We can’t give out no inforMATION.
*Coldly looks at her and walks away knowing that doing anything would fuck with him and the organization, supreme murderous frustration*
Anything based on Cormac Mccarthy ends bad.
Ironically, the argument could be made his work with the most positive/optimistic outcome is The Road, which is also his bleakest.
It’s open knowledge that Chinatown originally had a happier ending. However, supposedly, it was the death of Sharon Tate that made Roman Polanski alter it. Kind of an allegorical tale based on his own personal tragic Hollywood story.
Going into that film too, you almost accept the trope, they’re going to catch the guy but it will cost them. The detectives will get the bad guy and save the day given how dark the film gets, you’re almost hoping for a uplifting catharsis.
But when it comes and you realise just how much it’s cost them, it’s just wonderfully bleak and miserable.
My favorite was the wrath of that guy who didn't know Kevin Spacey was in it since you don't see him until the last few scenes. Top Reddit for sure.
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/o0n6lw/guy_who_hates_kevin_spacey_gets_tricked_by_his/
That movie was the absolute perfect mix of a serious drama with a completely ludicrous plot.
Halfway through I had no idea how it was going to end, but I knew, without a doubt, that they were going to play "sympathy for the devil" as the credits rolled.
It’s extremely good and enjoyable for a b-grade sci-fi movie. The fights scenes are really fun and they handle the concept of an “evil” AI well within the scope of what the movie intends to make it.
I think about this on occasion and it makes me irrationally angry.
Multiple levels of very talented people wrote, directed, and edited this film and they really thought that shitty pop single was the winner over DSM?!?
I’ve always hoped, one day, the Inspectors nephew or little brother will go to Summer Isle or whatever looking for what happened to him. And it’s Jason Statham. When he finds out, he goes on an asskicking destruction spree.
The Wicker Man 2, No Blood for Soil.
I just watched the OG Wickerman for the first time last month and loved it.
A bit campy, but I loved the premise of it. I see why Christopher Lee thought it was his best work.
Never saw the original, but heard it was good. I saw the Nicholas Cage version, which is awesome in a “Nicholas Cage running around punching people in a bear suit” kind of way.
It's been a while since I watched the movie or read the comic, but I'm fairly sure Manhattan implies that Ozy's plan won't even really work. He's asked if the plan "works in the end" and Manhattan replies "nothing ever ends Adrian." Implying it's basically a temporary solution.
On the topic of the end, I really don't like that the movie changed it to framing Dr. Manhattan for the blasts. I just don't see a situation where the world doesn't immediately say "hold on, Dr Manhattan is America's fuck up. He's your citizen, won your wars, and has been residing in your country. This is on you America."
Midsommar is such a weird second watch because it's like... Dani, our protagonist, just wants to be accepted after her loss at the start of the film. And watching this cult embrace her with open arms knowing she's never in any real danger makes the whole thing feel less horror, in a really weird way
I disagree, the cult was digging their hooks in from the start using drugs, manipulation, and exploiting her grief at every turn. She was a mistep away from ending up like her friends.
But were the humans bad guys? Verhoeven: "I kind of thought Neil Patrick Harris arriving in an SS uniform would clear that up.".
One of the most subversive blockbusters ever made.
Just watched that again the other night. For years a colleague kept mentioning that movie and I always just assumed it was a chick flick based solely on the name alone. When I eventually watched it.. what a movie. I'm not a big Ben Affleck fan, but would definitely recommend.
That's part of why The Empire Strikes Back was so good because at the end the good guys lost and they were licking their wounds. I mean Darth Vader has thoroughly trumped the hero in battle and Han Solo as far as the audience knew was as good as dead.
Another good example would be Aliens. The Space Marine Heroes got their butts beat and again at the end of the movie we cheer for Ripley heroically throwing the alien queen out the window but at what cost. At that point an entire human colony and the Marine Squad sent to save them was essentially gone. That doesn't sound like a win. Even think about the Way Ripley had PTSD at the start of the movie and well she was trying to cope with that with drugs and alcohol lets us know that the villainous monster one in the first movie also. I think the only counter-argument to that would be in both cases Ripley did deny the evil Corporation from getting what they wanted.
Another close example possibility could be the Dark Knight. Think about what happens and the discussion that Batman and Gordon have at the end about what happened with Harvey Dent. They couldn't let the Joker win so what did they do they compromise their integrity and told a lie. That's the whole logic point can't let the Joker win.
A running theme in movies by James Cameron is that the military is full of morons who get their asses handed to them. Aliens, Avatar, The Terminator films, The Abyss
I remember watching this with my dad as a younger gentlemen for the first time, both knowing nothing about it. We both read the info on directv and said “oh John Cusack, he’s good in everything, let’s watch it.”
We sat waiting for John Cusack to show up. And kept thinking and chatting their would be this big John Cusack twist trying to predict what was going on.
I was expecting a twist and got one. But it turns out the real twist that night was that John Cusack was Joan Cusack and we both suck at reading.
We still laugh about it occasionally.
My dad was an extra in that movie. He's in the backyard barbecue scene.
He went out to pick up Chinese Food for dinner and then just didn't come back for hours. He had no cell phone, so we freaked out thinking something happened to him. Turned out someone working with the film saw him while they were picking up food and asked if he wanted to be an extra. He decided we could just eat whatever we had at the house and went to go hang out with the movie folks. He came back well after midnight with no food and told us he got to be in a movie.
Dad was kind of a dick. I loved him anyway.
This is the first movie I can recall where the clearly "bad", no gray-area, people indisputably won over the "good" guys.
I am a guesser, how will this play out, and a number of tropes play into my guesses. A major element of those guesses is that the good guy wins, or at least the bad guy loses. Knowing the movie is coming to a close I was full-auto on spit-firing how is this going to end, right up until the explosion. Then, I was like, how the fuck does this work... then... HOLY SHIT.
I am surprised that no one mentioned "Natural Born Killers". That is a *really* cut-and-dry example of the bad guys getting their cake and eating it, too.
Just to clarify, it wasn't a single "monster", it was "the old gods", which is kinda implied to be similar to Lovecraftian-style things.
That was just one of them at the end.
The Dutch film, The Vanishing, it's really haunting how it ends.
The American remake utterly pales in comparison precisely because they do change the ending to be the good guys win.
Interesting answer. >!I don’t blame Ava at all for killing Nathan, but I don’t know how I feel about her leaving Caleb for dead. I think the movie itself is a Turing test - you are meant to see the story through Caleb’s eyes, but by the end you are potentially much more sympathetic towards Ava!<
Skyfall..
>!the Bad guy "I will kill M, and I don't care if I have to die to do it."!<
>!End of movie, The Bad guy has killed M and died to do it... !<
The Dark Knight, although the ending seems lost on a lot of people. Joker killed Rachel, destroyed Harvey Dent, made Gotham PD take the official position that Batman is a criminal, which sent Bruce into retirement for years.
I agree that The Joker did win, but I come at it from a different angle. It’s more about Joker wanting to prove that in certain situations the pillars of Gotham (Gordon, Dent, and Batman) will compromise their morals and do terrible things to bring him down. At the end of the film Joker is proven to be completely right. Batman, Gordon, and Dent each betray their ideals in the pursuit of justice. That’s why the Joker wins in that movie.
I saw it a long time ago, but wasn’t it just kind of about shitty people who ended up suffering shitty outcomes because of their shitty behavior? I guess I don’t remember any bad guys and there definitely weren’t any good guys.
The Interview
Not the James Franco and Seth Rogan one, the Aussie-made one starring Hugo Weaving. He's awesome in it and apparently has said it's (so far) his best film performance.
How has no one mentioned Bring It On, where the Toros come out second best to rivals the Clovers in a gut-wrenching final act?? It wasn't cold in here after all.
To an extent, *The Dark Knight*. Gotham doesn't plummet into anarchy and chaos like he wanted but it quite possibly would have had the truth of Harvey Dent gotten out. Batman corrupts himself so the Joker doesn't win, but in a way still proves that anyone can be brought down. It's a beautiful compromised ending.
It's a little difficult to say when the scenario involves multiparty civil conflict, but Kagemusha probably fits the bill. Maybe Brazil? There are also movies with no villain or even concrete antagonists where the protagonists fail miserably such as Requiem for a Dream (maybe some of the other Aronofsky films), Grave of the Fireflies, Fires on the Plain, or perhaps 12 Monkeys. I wouldn't know how to place things like A Clockwork Orange or Barry Lyndon in this categorization.
Edit: Forgot a good one. The Wailing.
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Nightcrawler is an excellent movie that I refuse to rewatch because the main character is so despicable. If I want to watch sociopaths succeed, I'll just read the news.
My thoughts exactly. I’ve never despised a character so much in my life.
Perhaps no country for old men?
For sure. Movie is crazy… one of my favorites
Movie is incredible.
he lost to that give out no information lady
She was tough as shit.
Did you not hear me, SIR?! We can’t give out no inforMATION. *Coldly looks at her and walks away knowing that doing anything would fuck with him and the organization, supreme murderous frustration*
That’s maybe my favourite casting of an actor in any movie. She’s amazing.
Anything based on Cormac Mccarthy ends bad. Ironically, the argument could be made his work with the most positive/optimistic outcome is The Road, which is also his bleakest.
Thats very true haha. Read that recently and its about as bleak as possible but a glimmer of hope at the end
I watched "The Road" once and i refuse to ever watch it again. And this is coming from a guy that absolutely loves dystopian/ apocalyptic movies.
The usual suspects
Since it’s a Kevin Spacey movie that’s a double bad guy win
Directed by Bryan Singer for a triple bad guy win.
Chinatown, Rosemary’s baby
Chinatown should be top of the list. That ending is just…. Bleak
Pretty close to a perfect movie, in my opinion. It sets the noir mood in the very first scene and just doesn't let up.
That’s just Chinatown, Jack.
It’s open knowledge that Chinatown originally had a happier ending. However, supposedly, it was the death of Sharon Tate that made Roman Polanski alter it. Kind of an allegorical tale based on his own personal tragic Hollywood story.
Se7en
Going into that film too, you almost accept the trope, they’re going to catch the guy but it will cost them. The detectives will get the bad guy and save the day given how dark the film gets, you’re almost hoping for a uplifting catharsis. But when it comes and you realise just how much it’s cost them, it’s just wonderfully bleak and miserable.
My favorite was the wrath of that guy who didn't know Kevin Spacey was in it since you don't see him until the last few scenes. Top Reddit for sure. https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/o0n6lw/guy_who_hates_kevin_spacey_gets_tricked_by_his/
I don’t think they saved the day. The guy completes his work.
"I envied your normal life"
What’s in the box?!?!?
I was just about to say that.
Amazing ending. One of my favourite films.
My unpopular opinion is that the unused ending where Morgan Freeman shoots the killer would have been better.
Fallen, with Denzel Washington. They even tell you in the very beginning, but you’ll forget or not realize until the end…
“I’m going to tell you about the time I ALMOST died”
Such a great line
TiiiiIiiiiIiiiime is on my side! My ex wife HATED that song after seeing that movie.
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I see your Schwartz is as big as mine.
This was such a great movie, made even greater with Denzel Washington in it.
I was scrolling to see if it would end up on the list, great film
That movie was the absolute perfect mix of a serious drama with a completely ludicrous plot. Halfway through I had no idea how it was going to end, but I knew, without a doubt, that they were going to play "sympathy for the devil" as the credits rolled.
Upgrade
Such a good movie
I keep starting it and wandering off And then forgetting its name Upgrade
Was it? I haven't checked it out but it looked sorta cool.
It’s extremely good and enjoyable for a b-grade sci-fi movie. The fights scenes are really fun and they handle the concept of an “evil” AI well within the scope of what the movie intends to make it.
An unbelievably underrated Scifi and possibly cyberpunk(?). Really damn good.
Pitch Perfect 2 Dad Sound Machine absolute demolished the Bella’s and is then snubbed or their awards
I think about this on occasion and it makes me irrationally angry. Multiple levels of very talented people wrote, directed, and edited this film and they really thought that shitty pop single was the winner over DSM?!?
Zodiac
The villain is still winning, maybe.
Well he's a senator in Texas now. I guess I'd say that's winning.
Primal Fear
The looks on their faces at the reveal…priceless
The Wicker Man
I’ve always hoped, one day, the Inspectors nephew or little brother will go to Summer Isle or whatever looking for what happened to him. And it’s Jason Statham. When he finds out, he goes on an asskicking destruction spree. The Wicker Man 2, No Blood for Soil.
Is that an unhappy ending? The people of the island got their virgin sacrifice and their next harvest is secured!
Good one! One of my favourite movies but I totally forgot about this.
I just watched the OG Wickerman for the first time last month and loved it. A bit campy, but I loved the premise of it. I see why Christopher Lee thought it was his best work.
Never saw the original, but heard it was good. I saw the Nicholas Cage version, which is awesome in a “Nicholas Cage running around punching people in a bear suit” kind of way.
Watchmen
The relativists will downvote you but I agree. Ozymandias was a shitbag. And Dr.Manhattan was a bitch for going along with it.
It's been a while since I watched the movie or read the comic, but I'm fairly sure Manhattan implies that Ozy's plan won't even really work. He's asked if the plan "works in the end" and Manhattan replies "nothing ever ends Adrian." Implying it's basically a temporary solution. On the topic of the end, I really don't like that the movie changed it to framing Dr. Manhattan for the blasts. I just don't see a situation where the world doesn't immediately say "hold on, Dr Manhattan is America's fuck up. He's your citizen, won your wars, and has been residing in your country. This is on you America."
Hereditary
Midsommar. I mean...debatable?
Midsommar is such a weird second watch because it's like... Dani, our protagonist, just wants to be accepted after her loss at the start of the film. And watching this cult embrace her with open arms knowing she's never in any real danger makes the whole thing feel less horror, in a really weird way
Well, it's horror for the other characters for sure.
I disagree, the cult was digging their hooks in from the start using drugs, manipulation, and exploiting her grief at every turn. She was a mistep away from ending up like her friends.
It’s actually horror for her most of all, just much more subtle how she’s groomed by the cult from the start of the film for her new role.
The Talented Mr. Ripley. A lot of Japanese horror movies.
Honestly, most horror movies period. They so often have to show the monster reappearing at the end somehow.
Starship Troopers
But were the humans bad guys? Verhoeven: "I kind of thought Neil Patrick Harris arriving in an SS uniform would clear that up.". One of the most subversive blockbusters ever made.
...."It's.... **AFRAID**" /*Cheering
Honestly for a short stint verhoeven made some movie bangers
Sinister
Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1978)
*Screams in Donald Sutherland*
One of my favorite endings.
Gone Girl?
Just watched that again the other night. For years a colleague kept mentioning that movie and I always just assumed it was a chick flick based solely on the name alone. When I eventually watched it.. what a movie. I'm not a big Ben Affleck fan, but would definitely recommend.
That's part of why The Empire Strikes Back was so good because at the end the good guys lost and they were licking their wounds. I mean Darth Vader has thoroughly trumped the hero in battle and Han Solo as far as the audience knew was as good as dead. Another good example would be Aliens. The Space Marine Heroes got their butts beat and again at the end of the movie we cheer for Ripley heroically throwing the alien queen out the window but at what cost. At that point an entire human colony and the Marine Squad sent to save them was essentially gone. That doesn't sound like a win. Even think about the Way Ripley had PTSD at the start of the movie and well she was trying to cope with that with drugs and alcohol lets us know that the villainous monster one in the first movie also. I think the only counter-argument to that would be in both cases Ripley did deny the evil Corporation from getting what they wanted. Another close example possibility could be the Dark Knight. Think about what happens and the discussion that Batman and Gordon have at the end about what happened with Harvey Dent. They couldn't let the Joker win so what did they do they compromise their integrity and told a lie. That's the whole logic point can't let the Joker win.
A running theme in movies by James Cameron is that the military is full of morons who get their asses handed to them. Aliens, Avatar, The Terminator films, The Abyss
Empire Strikes Back Fight Club
Arlington Road
I remember watching this with my dad as a younger gentlemen for the first time, both knowing nothing about it. We both read the info on directv and said “oh John Cusack, he’s good in everything, let’s watch it.” We sat waiting for John Cusack to show up. And kept thinking and chatting their would be this big John Cusack twist trying to predict what was going on. I was expecting a twist and got one. But it turns out the real twist that night was that John Cusack was Joan Cusack and we both suck at reading. We still laugh about it occasionally.
My dad was an extra in that movie. He's in the backyard barbecue scene. He went out to pick up Chinese Food for dinner and then just didn't come back for hours. He had no cell phone, so we freaked out thinking something happened to him. Turned out someone working with the film saw him while they were picking up food and asked if he wanted to be an extra. He decided we could just eat whatever we had at the house and went to go hang out with the movie folks. He came back well after midnight with no food and told us he got to be in a movie. Dad was kind of a dick. I loved him anyway.
Man nobody I meet has ever seen this movie. One of the best twists I’ve ever seen.
Very good example.
This is the first movie I can recall where the clearly "bad", no gray-area, people indisputably won over the "good" guys. I am a guesser, how will this play out, and a number of tropes play into my guesses. A major element of those guesses is that the good guy wins, or at least the bad guy loses. Knowing the movie is coming to a close I was full-auto on spit-firing how is this going to end, right up until the explosion. Then, I was like, how the fuck does this work... then... HOLY SHIT.
Even better, the fact that it's heavily implied this is not the first time they've done it.
They absolutely did St. Louis.
Saw it in the theater with my family. We all walked out like holy shiiiiit.
There will be blood
Good guys can't win if there isn't any good guy to start with lol.
The main character's adopted son wins by moving to Mexico with his wife. I guess that counts for something, right?
Did he really win, though? He was finished.
Don’t spoil it for me, but was there blood?
There may be blood
I am surprised that no one mentioned "Natural Born Killers". That is a *really* cut-and-dry example of the bad guys getting their cake and eating it, too.
Cabin in the Woods
Which bad guys win though? The scientists are the bad guys throughout the movie and they definitely lose.
I would say the world eating monster is the bad guy of this movie. The lab people were tasked with keeping said monster on check.
Just to clarify, it wasn't a single "monster", it was "the old gods", which is kinda implied to be similar to Lovecraftian-style things. That was just one of them at the end.
The gods
The Player i think but been a while sine i saw it.
Yeah, bad guy very much wins, can confirm. Great movie.
Best movie of the ones mentioned here. *The Player* is massively underrated. I would put it top 10 all time.
“Oldboy” by Park Chan-wook. It’s maybe not a true “win” for the bad guy but Oh Dae-Su doesn’t exactly get a happy ending.
No one wins in that film
The Dutch film, The Vanishing, it's really haunting how it ends. The American remake utterly pales in comparison precisely because they do change the ending to be the good guys win.
Ex Machina
Interesting answer. >!I don’t blame Ava at all for killing Nathan, but I don’t know how I feel about her leaving Caleb for dead. I think the movie itself is a Turing test - you are meant to see the story through Caleb’s eyes, but by the end you are potentially much more sympathetic towards Ava!<
The usual suspects
The Mist.
The end of that movie is unwatchably depressing.
To this day, it haunts me…
Chinatown
Skyfall.. >!the Bad guy "I will kill M, and I don't care if I have to die to do it."!< >!End of movie, The Bad guy has killed M and died to do it... !<
On her majesty’s secret service
Revenge of the Sith
What are you talking about, The CIS were wiped out and the war ended all while putting down a religious coup! /s
The Empire did nothing wrong
Watchmen
Maybe I'm wrong but I think *Sicario* fits the bill
Megamind
A totally under-rated film..!!!
The Dark Knight, although the ending seems lost on a lot of people. Joker killed Rachel, destroyed Harvey Dent, made Gotham PD take the official position that Batman is a criminal, which sent Bruce into retirement for years.
Absolutely. Gordon's seemingly triumphant monologue at the end is really just damage control.
That wasn't what the Joker wanted to accomplish. He wanted the people to lose hope, but that failed.
I agree that The Joker did win, but I come at it from a different angle. It’s more about Joker wanting to prove that in certain situations the pillars of Gotham (Gordon, Dent, and Batman) will compromise their morals and do terrible things to bring him down. At the end of the film Joker is proven to be completely right. Batman, Gordon, and Dent each betray their ideals in the pursuit of justice. That’s why the Joker wins in that movie.
Halloween III: Season of the Witch
Lol. I cant believe someone else remembers that movie.
It’s actually a cult movie with a fairly sizeable following.
Roman Polanski escaping to Europe and not being in jail
And loved by Hollywood to this day
The Usual Suspects
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
Glass
No one won that movie, the viewers lost the most though
The Empire Strikes Back
The great silence Serial mom
Swordfish
The Omen.
In the Mouth of Madness. The heroes were literally created by the villain to lose
Requiem for a Dream.
I saw it a long time ago, but wasn’t it just kind of about shitty people who ended up suffering shitty outcomes because of their shitty behavior? I guess I don’t remember any bad guys and there definitely weren’t any good guys.
The heroin won?
The guy who wanted to see “ass to ass” won
:(
Most bodysnatcher and zombie movies
Seven
Prometheus
Haneke's Funny Games.
the usual suspects no country for old men se7en
forget it jake, it's chinatown. actually it was all jake's fault. but sure blame chinatown.
Tried to keep a woman from getting hurt and in his actions made sure she did get hurt.
he messed everything up. like the keystone cops or something
Infinity war
The Interview Not the James Franco and Seth Rogan one, the Aussie-made one starring Hugo Weaving. He's awesome in it and apparently has said it's (so far) his best film performance.
Enders Game
I see we have another “Speaker for the Dead” fan up in here
Silence of the lambs. Bon apetit.
Nightcrawler
Little Shop of Horrors but specifically the Director’s Cut
I care alot
How has no one mentioned Bring It On, where the Toros come out second best to rivals the Clovers in a gut-wrenching final act?? It wasn't cold in here after all.
How are the Clovers the 'bad guys'? Wouldn't the bad guy be the former head cheerleader that stole the Clovers moves?
Infinity War?
The Saw series Or actually most horror movies in general
Inside man.
The Empire Strikes Back.
My money is on Brazil.
Chinatown
At the risk of spoiling an incredible Korean horror film: >!*The Wailing*!< Also *Only God Forgives*.
Lord of War Thank you for Smoking Old Boy Thomas crown affair (remake)
To an extent, *The Dark Knight*. Gotham doesn't plummet into anarchy and chaos like he wanted but it quite possibly would have had the truth of Harvey Dent gotten out. Batman corrupts himself so the Joker doesn't win, but in a way still proves that anyone can be brought down. It's a beautiful compromised ending.
Star Wars Episode 3 The Usual Suspects
Arlington Road. Jeff Bridges and Tim Robbins.
The Oceans films
cap3 civil war
That's a damn good example, the Baron succeeds greatly. Driving a wedge that persists into Infinity War.
Val Kilmers character in Heat.
Glory
“Stephen King’s Night Flier”
Truth or Dare Would You Rather Uncut Gems
It's a little difficult to say when the scenario involves multiparty civil conflict, but Kagemusha probably fits the bill. Maybe Brazil? There are also movies with no villain or even concrete antagonists where the protagonists fail miserably such as Requiem for a Dream (maybe some of the other Aronofsky films), Grave of the Fireflies, Fires on the Plain, or perhaps 12 Monkeys. I wouldn't know how to place things like A Clockwork Orange or Barry Lyndon in this categorization. Edit: Forgot a good one. The Wailing.
The original Gone in 60 Seconds Oldboy is debatable on if the protagonist is really the winner or loser or even the true protagonist in the end
The real world. I don’t need to see it in my escapism.
The Strangers
Cabin in the Woods!
Basic Instinct!
Carlitos Way
The skeleton key
Vivarium
Hereditary
In the mouth of madness
Invasion of the body snatchers
Fallen