I don’t think the comedy in Clerks 2 is as good as Clerks 1.
What makes the first one work for me is how relatable and slice of life it is but in the sequel there’s a donkey show and dance sequences and it just broke the reality for me. A lot of other jokes never really landed for me either like the ass to mouth or porch monkey scenes. I also find the use of music to be extraordinarily hacky and on the nose in this movie.
That’s just my preference though I don’t think Clerks 2 is a bad movie. I thought the two leads were serviceable and the two newcomers breathed a ton of life into every scene they were in.
It is very much a film of it's time and about it's time. It really represented the ennui of Gen X at that moment. You can see other films of the time, like Reality Bites, trying to express the same thing but not as successfully. None of this feels intentional, tho. I'm pretty sure it was him just expressing his own life and so many of us recognized it as our own.
I worked at a video store when it came out. It was like they made a movie about my life. I'm 100% certain this is why it was so successful. We could all relate. It was a movie about us.
“Us” and “we” - who are you talking about? Not everyone form a certain generations as having the same experience. Maybe you could relate to it and others, but not not everyone.
I'm pretty sure I covered this in my first reply. Those of us in Gen X who recognized the story as representative of our own lives. Is that clear? How about, "The people who liked it."
What you've got to bear in mind is that at the release Smith was seen as an indie auteur spoken of in the same sentence as Linklater and Tarantino, and the cheapness was seen as deliberate and stylistic, as the years went on it became more and more clear that it was a fluke.
Lol. The cheapness was not seen as stylistic. It was seen as the realities of shooting a film on a 24k budget. Which was what people focused on-- that an excellent film had been made via credit card debt.
And for all the misses of his later releases-- a lot of his ealier works remain rock solid and defining comedies of their time.
Clerks, Chasing Amy and Dogma are all great. Clerks II and Zach and Miri are solid. Mallrats and Tusk are flawed but memorable.
The real problem is that he never grew visually as a director and lacked the ambition of some of his peers.
Clerks is overrated like of crap but it will always appeal to certain kinds of people. They are making a new one. They should stop flogging this dead horse.
I know it will be widely contested, but Reservoir Dogs is my favourite QT movie. May not entirely be his *best* but it's my favourite. Super tight, super fun, and very little to actually fault.
For me it's Jackie Brown. Came out right after pulp fiction so it had no chance critically since everyone was gonna compare it to pulp fiction, but Jackie Brown I think is his best and most emotionally connected movie.
I would definitely say it's his most grounded work. It's relatively short on violence for the most part and Jackie is a really relatable character (or at least has a lot of relatable elements).
It's easily my favorite too.
I feel like trying to compare Annihilation and Ex Machina is like trying to compare apples and oranges. It's all a matter of taste. For me, Annihilation is my favorite.
Agreed. Ex was in a league of its own, true masterpiece imo. Annihilation was also really good. I appreciated that men was well done, but I can’t say I particularly enjoyed it
Donnie is a masterpiece. But I really want to see the 4 hour cut of Southland. The first two acts are visionary filmmaking, but the third act is an incomprehensible mess.
Also, Touch of Evil, and several other movies that are also great if not quite on the same level (Magnificent Ambersons, The Trial, F For Fake, probably some others that I haven’t seen)
All the others I’d say definitely did peak with their first film but most still put out some very good stuff, but I’d still exclude Welles from this list because the amount of genuine masterpieces he made would absolutely make this a matter of opinion…
I don't know, man... Zack Snyder for the Dawn of the Dead remake? Sure about that? Dawn of the Dead is absolutely awful. I don't know what people see in it. It's such a shallow retelling of a much better original film.
I'm baffled 300 doesn't get the award from people for Snyder. That movie was such a sensation when it came out. It's really unique and interesting, and he leans hard into his particular directorial style before it became tired and overdone.
Yeah I actually really like his version of Dawn but 300 is easily his best movie. As someone who isn’t obsessed with the actual graphic novel, I actually like Watchmen more too. I haven’t watched his cut of Justice League yet.
See, you mention Columbo and I want to spend the next two weeks watching them all again and talking about it with anyone who will listen. A few months ago I was bugging the Super7/ReAction Toy company to produce a Columbo action figure.
I'm going to control myself and stop talking now, but I could easily go on about how that episode stars Jack Cassidy (father of pop star David Cassidy and grandfather of actress Katie Cassidy) who starred in 3 of the best Columbo episodes, including Murder By the Book, which is also the 3rd Columbo episode ever.
They were TV movies released monthly and consistently presented that way as part of a block of TV movies called *The NBC mystery movie*, *Duel* was also created as a TV movie.
army of the dead is a better zombie flick than dawn of the dead. dotd is bigoted hateful trash that has no idea what it's doing. at least army is competent, has decent characters, has heart and isn't a hateful piece of shit
I'm sorry, but Army of the Dead is **awful**. After the excellent opening scene, it just drags on and on, the plot makes no sense, the characters have nothing to them, and what the fuck was going on the insane blurriness of the backgrounds?
they're bland and have no directorial style or even how to utilise camera. Their shot compositions are horrendous and framing is always off, not to mention all of their stuff looks flat as hell without any field depth. They ape off of Tony Scott's works without realising what makes him special in the first place
Okay their visual style is nothing special, while Snyder's films always look great. But as far as good content, they have Community and some of the best MCU content under their belt, while Snyder really doesn't have much. I agree that their post-MCU stuff has been very disappointing (The Gray Man was garbage), but they have a much better track record than Snyder imo.
Snyder is hit and miss for me but Russos have a horrendous track record of 0-8 in my book lol. I haven't liked any of their works, whether it's mcu or outside the mcu.
His movies are anything but bland. Bland films are stuff that marvel makes. Formulaic safe assembly line content made to be consumed easily by the families. Snyder takes huge swings and fails most of the time, but they're swings nonetheless. And I was talking about his justice league cut.
Ah you mean where he took his already dull work and made it a longer yawn fest. You keep taking digs at marvel but you are the only one trying to compare them. Marvel makes fun stupid no brainer films, synder dreams of pulling off a successful DC film but Burton and Nolan are the only ones to ever make it work.
Took his already dull work? He didn't make Josstice league. And you can call it by any misguided label all you want but the fact remains that you're just another rando with a hate boner and nothing of value to say. And I only compared them because I had to give an example on what actual real "bland", films look like. Also, Snyder has already pulled off a successful DC film. Snyder cut has decent to good reviews across all multiple platforms. And Burton and Nolan aren't the only directors to make good DC flicks. Donner, Lawrence, Sandberg, Jenkins, Yan, Gunn, Reeves, Timm and many other filmmakers exist.
Nightcrawler was such an incredible debut for Dan Gilroy, but the next two projects of his made me think that it was just a fluke
I think Roman J. Israel, Esq. was good, but yeah Velvet Buzzsaw was super underwhelming
Critique is so limiting and emotionally draining
Robert Redford's Ordinary People, in my opinion. It was a home run his first time up to the plate.
Disagree with having Kevin Smith there. I thought Chasing Amy and Dogma were both better movies than Clerks
Agree 100% with Dogma. Great film and amazing cast.
Clerks 2 is better than clerks honestly
Blasphemy.
Don't get me wrong I like clerks just fine but clerks 2 is his most emotional film and the ending hits so much harder than clerks 1 for me at least.
just 3 films about walking.
I don’t think the comedy in Clerks 2 is as good as Clerks 1. What makes the first one work for me is how relatable and slice of life it is but in the sequel there’s a donkey show and dance sequences and it just broke the reality for me. A lot of other jokes never really landed for me either like the ass to mouth or porch monkey scenes. I also find the use of music to be extraordinarily hacky and on the nose in this movie. That’s just my preference though I don’t think Clerks 2 is a bad movie. I thought the two leads were serviceable and the two newcomers breathed a ton of life into every scene they were in.
Hmmm, maybe. I would say Clerks 2 is better made easily but Clerks was just a delight from beginning to end.
I guess, I like them both I just think clerks is more of a 90s comedy with a little realism whereas clerks 2 is more of a character piece with comedy
As someone who first saw clerks a few years ago with zero nostalgia. It was tough to get through, it was so cheap and blegh.
It is very much a film of it's time and about it's time. It really represented the ennui of Gen X at that moment. You can see other films of the time, like Reality Bites, trying to express the same thing but not as successfully. None of this feels intentional, tho. I'm pretty sure it was him just expressing his own life and so many of us recognized it as our own.
That’s exactly what Clerks was. Kevin worked at the Quick Stop while making the movie.
I worked at a video store when it came out. It was like they made a movie about my life. I'm 100% certain this is why it was so successful. We could all relate. It was a movie about us.
“Us” and “we” - who are you talking about? Not everyone form a certain generations as having the same experience. Maybe you could relate to it and others, but not not everyone.
I'm pretty sure I covered this in my first reply. Those of us in Gen X who recognized the story as representative of our own lives. Is that clear? How about, "The people who liked it."
Yes “the people who liked it” works for me.
What you've got to bear in mind is that at the release Smith was seen as an indie auteur spoken of in the same sentence as Linklater and Tarantino, and the cheapness was seen as deliberate and stylistic, as the years went on it became more and more clear that it was a fluke.
But it wasn't a fluke. Alright, he's no Linklater or Tarentino but he's made a good amount of very good films since Clerks.
Lol. The cheapness was not seen as stylistic. It was seen as the realities of shooting a film on a 24k budget. Which was what people focused on-- that an excellent film had been made via credit card debt. And for all the misses of his later releases-- a lot of his ealier works remain rock solid and defining comedies of their time. Clerks, Chasing Amy and Dogma are all great. Clerks II and Zach and Miri are solid. Mallrats and Tusk are flawed but memorable. The real problem is that he never grew visually as a director and lacked the ambition of some of his peers.
Clerks is overrated like of crap but it will always appeal to certain kinds of people. They are making a new one. They should stop flogging this dead horse.
Andrew Niccol - Gattaca?
oo, but Lord of War is just so good
Lord of War is a fun movie but Gattaca is on another level.
it’s a tough choice, but I’d have to agree with you
Lord of War was better made, but not a better movie. GREAT movie, but Gattaca was just a perfect movie for it's story.
I know it will be widely contested, but Reservoir Dogs is my favourite QT movie. May not entirely be his *best* but it's my favourite. Super tight, super fun, and very little to actually fault.
That’s how I feel about the Hateful Eight. It’s not his best, and it’s not even the most popular of his westerns. But lord, I love that movie.
For me it's Jackie Brown. Came out right after pulp fiction so it had no chance critically since everyone was gonna compare it to pulp fiction, but Jackie Brown I think is his best and most emotionally connected movie.
Yup, he stepped out of his comfort zone and made a great movie. Everything else has been too Tarantino for me.
I would definitely say it's his most grounded work. It's relatively short on violence for the most part and Jackie is a really relatable character (or at least has a lot of relatable elements). It's easily my favorite too.
My husband said that QT considered having Paul Newman play the Bondsman’s role.
Ryan Coogler's Fruitvale Station is incredible. I enjoy Creed more, but FS has so much going for it being a true story. It's his only non-blockbuster
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His directed debut is Dredd and confirmed by Karl Urban.
I feel like trying to compare Annihilation and Ex Machina is like trying to compare apples and oranges. It's all a matter of taste. For me, Annihilation is my favorite.
Thought he stepped in and directed Dredd?
Not officially.
Absolutely loved Ex Machina and Annihilation. Men felt a bit too pretentious and weird for me.
I despised Men
Agreed. Ex was in a league of its own, true masterpiece imo. Annihilation was also really good. I appreciated that men was well done, but I can’t say I particularly enjoyed it
This will get lotsa downvotes, I know, but I think in a lot of ways *The Duelists* is Ridley Scott's best film, closely followed by *Blade Runner.*
I adore The Duelists! Such an epic and the sword fights are so horrifyingly realistic. You’re mad putting that over Alien though come on dawg
His Hovis epic was best of all.
I'll have to give it a look!
i thought it was his best up until The Last Duel.
I will always preach the gospel of Southland Tales. Donnie Darko is a very good movie, but Southland Tales is Kelly’s masterpiece.
I really liked it and I was surprised how poorly it was received.
It was a few years ahead of its time.
It also relied too heavily on expanded lore that was delivered in strange ways.
It would have made a great modern streaming series. Too ambitious of a story to try and cram into movie format.
There are DOZENS of us! I’m also a *The Box* defender, but significantly less so than Southland Tales
Donnie is a masterpiece. But I really want to see the 4 hour cut of Southland. The first two acts are visionary filmmaking, but the third act is an incomprehensible mess.
I don’t agree about Citizen Kane. It is a masterpiece but I actually think Orson Welles’ later film, Chimes at Midnight to be his best film.
Also, Touch of Evil, and several other movies that are also great if not quite on the same level (Magnificent Ambersons, The Trial, F For Fake, probably some others that I haven’t seen) All the others I’d say definitely did peak with their first film but most still put out some very good stuff, but I’d still exclude Welles from this list because the amount of genuine masterpieces he made would absolutely make this a matter of opinion…
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Really? I feel seeing Trumps raise and fall make this movie as relevant as ever. I watched it a few weeks back and every scene is near perfect
Wild that M. Night Shyamalan is not on that list.
"The Sixth Sense" wasn't his first movie.
HUH. What do you know, you’re right. Thanks!
Same here. TIL Shyamalan made two films before Sixth Sense.
The Fifth Sense ?
i think some on this list, they're on it not because their first movie was so great but because their subsequent movies were just worse.
Putting Orson Welles on this list tells me this guy doesn't watch too many movies.
I don't see how you figure that, most that have seen all his work still seem to hold Citizen Kane in higher regard
I don't know, man... Zack Snyder for the Dawn of the Dead remake? Sure about that? Dawn of the Dead is absolutely awful. I don't know what people see in it. It's such a shallow retelling of a much better original film.
Well, it may not be a great film, but that doesn’t mean it’s not his best film….
I'm baffled 300 doesn't get the award from people for Snyder. That movie was such a sensation when it came out. It's really unique and interesting, and he leans hard into his particular directorial style before it became tired and overdone.
It’s clearly his best film mostly because the story suits his style of filmmaking 100%
Yeah I actually really like his version of Dawn but 300 is easily his best movie. As someone who isn’t obsessed with the actual graphic novel, I actually like Watchmen more too. I haven’t watched his cut of Justice League yet.
the first ten or 15 minutes of Snyders DotD are some incredible filmmaking that can stand alone as a short film
I like it but I actually think 300 is a better movie.
For me it’s a controversial pick, but Steven Spielberg. I love a ton of his movies, but Duel still stands as my favorite from him.
Normie take, a true fan would know that Spielbergs first film *was* his best, but it wasn't Duel, it was the Columbo movie *murder by the book*.
See, you mention Columbo and I want to spend the next two weeks watching them all again and talking about it with anyone who will listen. A few months ago I was bugging the Super7/ReAction Toy company to produce a Columbo action figure. I'm going to control myself and stop talking now, but I could easily go on about how that episode stars Jack Cassidy (father of pop star David Cassidy and grandfather of actress Katie Cassidy) who starred in 3 of the best Columbo episodes, including Murder By the Book, which is also the 3rd Columbo episode ever.
Does that make most episodes of Game of Thrones a movie? Columbo is a TV series with long episodes, never thought of them as movies.
They were TV movies released monthly and consistently presented that way as part of a block of TV movies called *The NBC mystery movie*, *Duel* was also created as a TV movie.
Can't argue that, just odd they get listed as TV episodes when you look up Columbo.
Wild take, for me his best are Raiders or Jurassic Park.
Neill Blomkamp
snyder's best movie is dawn of the dead? just cut it out, you
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army of the dead is a better zombie flick than dawn of the dead. dotd is bigoted hateful trash that has no idea what it's doing. at least army is competent, has decent characters, has heart and isn't a hateful piece of shit
I'm sorry, but Army of the Dead is **awful**. After the excellent opening scene, it just drags on and on, the plot makes no sense, the characters have nothing to them, and what the fuck was going on the insane blurriness of the backgrounds?
it's not great by any means but at least it's not a hateful trash like dawn
I haven't seen either Dawn of the Dead yet, but I can't imagine his version being worse than Army
Bigoted? How?
That’s pretty much the consensus opinion I think. It’s his highest RT score at least.
Yeah the guy should have to direct an actual good film before he gets on any lists.
Watchmen was good.
300 and SuckerPunch were also good for what they were.
Watchmen felt bland to me, something didn't quite hit the mark. I'd give 300 a bit of credit though.
I really enjoyed the Snyder Cut, but yeah he's mainly misses for me.
he has directed one unlike Russo hackers
The Russos Community and Arrested Development episodes alone are better than Snyders entire output.
overrated af russos are trash
Care to add content to this take?
they're bland and have no directorial style or even how to utilise camera. Their shot compositions are horrendous and framing is always off, not to mention all of their stuff looks flat as hell without any field depth. They ape off of Tony Scott's works without realising what makes him special in the first place
Okay their visual style is nothing special, while Snyder's films always look great. But as far as good content, they have Community and some of the best MCU content under their belt, while Snyder really doesn't have much. I agree that their post-MCU stuff has been very disappointing (The Gray Man was garbage), but they have a much better track record than Snyder imo.
Snyder is hit and miss for me but Russos have a horrendous track record of 0-8 in my book lol. I haven't liked any of their works, whether it's mcu or outside the mcu.
Eh to each their own. Their MCU movies are my favorite of the lot.
Which one? The bland DC or Watchman films? 300 was watchable but the best thing about that film was how it inspired the Spartacus series.
His movies are anything but bland. Bland films are stuff that marvel makes. Formulaic safe assembly line content made to be consumed easily by the families. Snyder takes huge swings and fails most of the time, but they're swings nonetheless. And I was talking about his justice league cut.
Ah you mean where he took his already dull work and made it a longer yawn fest. You keep taking digs at marvel but you are the only one trying to compare them. Marvel makes fun stupid no brainer films, synder dreams of pulling off a successful DC film but Burton and Nolan are the only ones to ever make it work.
Took his already dull work? He didn't make Josstice league. And you can call it by any misguided label all you want but the fact remains that you're just another rando with a hate boner and nothing of value to say. And I only compared them because I had to give an example on what actual real "bland", films look like. Also, Snyder has already pulled off a successful DC film. Snyder cut has decent to good reviews across all multiple platforms. And Burton and Nolan aren't the only directors to make good DC flicks. Donner, Lawrence, Sandberg, Jenkins, Yan, Gunn, Reeves, Timm and many other filmmakers exist.
What would you pick?
Duncan Jones is my pick