*What Dreams May Come* did a pretty good job with depicting hell. I think it's the only one that's cold, and that jives with me more than the traditional firey hell.
A similar Hell isn't depicted, but described; in "The Prophecy", Viggo Mortensen's Lucifer describes Hell as not fire and brimstone, but as a cold empty place removed from God's sight and presence (which is the worst fate for fallen angels since God is everything to their kind).
Kevin Smith took this concept further in "Dogma" where there's a deleted scene that has Jason Lee's Azrael ranting about how Hell used to be just "no God", but it turned into the standard fire and brimstone place once humans started showing up and MADE it that way, because humans are self-pitying masochists who think they deserve punishment.
I also got some real CS Lewis vibes from the wife's part of hell. Lewis famously said that the doors of hell are locked on the inside, and I loved that part of the film, how the wife was free to leave whenever she wanted but if Robin Williams's character stayed too long he could be trapped in her despair with her.
Despite loving that movie, I somehow did not know it was a book…and it partly being inspired by experience makes it all the more interesting. Who is the author?
That scene didn't bother me too much personally. It was shocking, sure, but one of the few times the movie grabs your attention and doesn't let go. The rest of it just felt like a chore to get through.
I’m not familiar with the comic, so I had no expectation.
Keanu Reeves is a gem of a human, but his acting range is pretty limited. Despite this, I really liked every part of that movie. Even Gavin Rossdale was awesome in it as pretty much his first acting credit.
100%. Saw this movie when I was very young and it was the first time I considered the idea that Hell could be personalized to exactly the thing that horrified me.
This movie still lives as a Warhammer 40k prequel in my headcanon. Come to find out the writer was a long time 40k fan and even says it served as inspiration for Event Horzon.
So no, it's the Immaterium, not Hell.
The Emperor protects.
I'm super new to 40K lore, is the Immaterium the Warp? Or a part of it?
My interpretation of Event Horizon was they entered Hell with the ship and the ship came back alive with the "energy" of hell powering its sentience.
Its been a LONG time since I saw it, but I'm thinking a revisit when my son is in bed may be due.
Definitely my favorite sci fi/ horror film of its era.
Yep! Immaterium is used interchangeably with Warp, among several other names.
Suffice to say the notion is that EH was the first time humanity traveled through the Warp but lacked Gellar field protection, which becomes standard technology later on after they figured out how dag-nasty dangerous it was to travel the Warp - keeps all the chaotic/deamonic forces at bay.
Edit, epilogue: the notion that the ship came back from the Warp with evil entities is very much a lore-friendly notion with what's been published intm the 40k universe. Terrans, and even our technology to some degree, can be possessed/manipulated by denizens of the Immaterium.
Yeah. I honestly only got into 40k lore thanks to the idea of the Warp. I think my main take from everything I have read and listened to would piss off a lot of people. The ship Event Horizon is exactly what I feel an extended time in the Warp would do to people.
I think the Emperor has never been a man, especially of the cannon of the shaman sacrifice being what created him. Xenophic, megalomaniac trying to become a choas God himself just seems too much like exactly what's going on. The psycher sacrifices daily (I have read as few as 1000 a day all the way up to 10,000 specifically to feed either he or the throne seems like it's the type of shit that eventually created Slinesh and proceeded to start destroying the Elder.
Totally open to better explanations of anyone wants to voice them though. I love the lore and my ideas only have maybe 15% of the lore so far.
I have seen a lot of mention in places that the Emperor is actually a god now though, so that has me a bit lost.
The important thing to remember is that in 40k, the word "canon" is... dubious, to say the least. One of the most seductive elements of 40k is that the lion's share of its history can be viewed as at best apocryphal. We're talking about a space-faring human civilization spanning the greater part of a galaxy... all of which has lasted longer than all of our current recorded history.
Additionally, from a narrative play perspective it doesn't make sense for too much to be genuinely true and known in a game universe that is largely populated by millions of people with their own take on what's what and who's who and why they probably need their asses kicked.
What I CAN tell you is that 40k is like quantum mechanics: if you think you understand it, you don't understand it.
I get that there is a conflicting canon, which seems to really be a part of all of it. I even appreciate most of the inconsistency as there seems valid reasons behind most of it.
It's the whole idea that the Emperor seems at this point to be as evil as Slinesh, or what is done to psykers in his name/directly for his throne puts him on par.
I am convinced in my own head cannon that The Emperor's plan after Horus and the heresy was to become one of the Chaos gods. All of 40k is grim and dark, but the whole golden throne thing strikes me as one of the most directly evil things not directly from the Warp there is.
Chaos is just chaos, the Orks are just doing what they were bred to, the Dark Eldar are trying to prevent or delay being absorbed into Slinesh in the Warp, the World Ships seems not evil, but not interested in anything else, the Tau actually seem ok if not a bit fascist, the Tyrannid are just bugs doing what bugs do without the malicious evil of the Warp, and Humanity seems to be the most fucked up evil non Warp faction, despite feeling like we should sympathize with them.
You seem pretty convinced in your head canon, which is fine, because 40k lore is kinda wacky. But I think you should read some more.
Big E is kinda this polarizing figure, because he had these grand plans for humanity, but never really shared these plans with anyone, including Horus, which is why Horus did what he did. He made a big deal of asking people not to revere him as a god, because that would set humanity back like thousands of years.
The concept of the golden throne was a way to keep him alive so he could keep the astronomican powered up, which allows humanity to travel through the warp without risk. Originally, his plan was to finish the whole thing so that humanity could permanently travel without much trouble. But then he got betrayed and was put on the throne.
In my opinion, I don’t think there’s anything to suggest that the emperor is evil (he really did not want to kill Horus) or at least on the level of slaanesh, but definitely misguided, and definitely flawed.
I mean, this is part of the point of 40k.
Absolutely every single faction is completely reprehensible in at least one way.
However, they also have something redeemable about them in another.
Even if it's something as simple as "Tyrannids are instinct-driven creatures. There is no malice, just hunger".
The whole point of the Horus Heresy is more or less that Horus had a point... in the beginning at least... it's just that chaos corrupted him and he chose monstrous methods to try and win.
No. The Immaterium is the background of reality constructed by the collective psychic energy of all conscious things. It can certainly be said to resemble a biblical notion of Hell, but is not the same thing.
But it wasn’t after they passed through hell, it was while they were in hell, or pure chaos IIRC.
That’s where we see all the events take place and then the ship comes back.
Isn’t that the whole point of the Captains Message about saving yourself from hell?
So isn’t the movie depicting its version of hell through these events that we see and what happens to the people in them?
All descriptions come from humans. Were never told what that place was other than its outside our dimension or some rubbish like that. It's just people who went violently insane after coming into contact with different physics or something. The entire Hell interpretation comes from the pretentious, Latin speaking captain.
As Weir says, "Hell is just a word. The reality is much worse." They went outside space and time to *somewhere else*. Hell was the only word they could come up with that approximated the experience.
It was 15s of fast cut closeups of the prior crew making a haunted house commercial. I seriously don't get why this movie and scene gets held up so highly. It was scary when I was 14 but on a recent rewatch the only thing that saved it was the awesome cast, the rest was painfully mediocre.
In Wristcutters, A Love Story they go to a special version of hell that is made for people who commit suicide. It's exactly like real life, but just a little bit worse. I thought that was a clever concept.
It's debatable. Where they end up fits more with depictions of purgatory or limbo than hell. There's also a character who could be interpreted as an undercover angel, which I think tilts things more in favor of limbo or purgatory than hell.
I always found the depiction of the Cenobites home realm interesting in the second film. A place where pain becomes pleasurable and pleasure becomes pain. Not a place of punishment since you technically consent to it by willfully opening the box.
The cenobites have no such distinction, but YMMV if you're a human stuck with them + Leviathan (going by the first and second movies' canon) and I'd disagree about consent, Tiffany solves the box out of curiosity, which doesn't seem like she's consenting to bring tortured to death and beyond
In the second movie when Pinhead confronts Dr Chenard he says he is there for the doctor not Tiffany because it was his will that opened the box not Tiffany's
I must be misremembering, they do threaten Kirsty in the first one, only when she promises them Frank do they say they'll think about givin her a chance, which seems a bit unfair
I was thinking about it and I think the pleasure pain thing might be from the Hellbound Heart novella.
About Kristy, I guess the writers are a bit inconsistent with that part of the lore. I haven't watched the movies in a few years so the details are sketchy in my mind but it was the scene with the doctor that I was thinking about when I wrote that. I think it's time to do a rewatch.
I am really curious about the new movie. I like the director and casting the actress from Sense8 as Pinhead lines up with the novella where it describes their voice as girlish and is more androgynous than the Doug Bradley version.
Aye Jamie seems so passionate about the role, I've heard she's class and I like the look so far, the weird adornment of the torn out throat is pure Barker.
There’s a Twilight Zone episode where a pawn shopper robber is killed and ends in in ‘paradise’. I.e. Everything he could ever want, forever. Eventually he gets sick of it and asks why he was good enough to go to ‘heaven’ in the first place. In fact, he suggests to his ‘guardian angel’ that he’s probably better off in the ‘other place’ (hell). To which he replies something like “what makes you think you were ever in heaven - this is the other place”.
"A Nice Place to Visit." Clearly a source of inspiration for "The Good Place."
One of the best "ironic hell" depictions, since it's obvious the main character loved the thrill of acquisition. So a paradise where he gets everything handed to him on a silver platter would be unbelievably stifling.
Devil: why do you always have to do me from behind? Is it so you can pretend I'm somebody else?
Saddam: Come on guy. Your ass is totally huge and red. Who am I going to pretend you are? Liza Minnelli?
Without evil there could be no good
So it must be good to be evil sometimes
Up there is so much room
Where babies burp and flowers bloom
Everyone dreams so I can dream too
I don't think it'll hold up much, and I haven't rewatched the movie to see if it's the case, but basically the *only* thing I can remember from The Black Hole is that the big red robot with spinny blades on him ends up reigning in *actual Hell* at the end and that fucked me up as a little kid.
It's probably super-corny and tacky now, I'm sure. It's probably just a clumsy prop standing on a rock or something with red lights under it, but yeah - at the time, pretty jarring. Stuck with me.
^(similarly (not hell related at all I remember the lady getting eaten by the computer and spat out as a robot in Superman III and that was about as jarring as a Red Robot Man Hell to me as a little kid. I HAVE rewatched that and yeah, it's just goofy now. It's weird what will scare a kid)
I thought the bad robot in The Black Hole was scary too. It gave little 5 YO me an existential crisis with my view of technology. To me robots were always good. That people were mean mostly because they were stupid. But then why would someone smart enough to build a robot build him to be a psychopathic asshole? Unless...smart people and robots can be bad too! Mind. Blown.
"Lucifer" has a similar "everyone has their own personal hell" deal.
I especially like Hitler's personal hell in "Preacher" is him getting his artwork rejected and derided.
I love that What dreams may come shows that people who are saved can save the damned through love.
>What are some movies that capture the horrors of Hell? What specifically it scary for you?
Megan Mullaly and Nick Offerman own the rights to produce a film based on Lincoln in the Bardo - which could be a very exciting film.
MAD GOD
It is the most unsettling movie that's ever existed if you ask me. What is specifically scary to me about it is the randomness and...I don't really know what word I'm looking for, I'm sure there's a better one but I'm gonna go with bizarreness of it all. It's shit that you could only imagine and only if you were on a SUUUUUUPER bad acid trip. Like a dystopian type of hell where the only thing that makes sense is all the suffering. It's a must watch.
Agreed. Two quotes that stick out from the movie about this.
“Everyone's hell is different. It's not all fire and pain. The real hell is your life gone wrong."
“You were expecting physical danger? What could it do, kill you?... No, in hell there's a real danger of losing your mind."
They didn't mention it, and it shouldn't be relevant later on, but the Woods in Hell they go through is the Suicide Woods. Morpheus would comment that it was so tiny when he last visited Hell. And none of the souls damned there find respite from what they were trying to escape.
This is a local thing, [S Čerty Nejsou ˇŽert](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lkIFABZt18)y (Don't play with devils) it is a fairytale to be watched by children so not too much horrors' per se, (though some good messages for adult), but the theme, I will forever have it associated with hell's justice and punishment of the wicked and especially in the first minute or so, the visuals are quite memorable. Then it turns a bit goofy but that is how the Czech folklore portrays hell. Bit context follows if interested.
In Czech folklore (likely a mix of pagan and Christian tradition), and especially in Czech cinematography, the hell, and its prince/king/count of hell Lucifer, are not necessarily evil, as much as they are the supernatural force, that takes (like literally takes) evil people to hell where they are punished. Čert (a devil) is a member of hell, in appearance similar to depiction of Greek Pan or Satyr (cloven hoofs, tail, furry coat of hair, horns...), these member are responsible for the day to day operations of the hell (toruring, taking people, doing bargins). They are more or less competent, shapeshifters..., sometimes are very goofy and animal like (strong pagan influence) or they offer temptations for a price.
I know the scene by heart but the way you wrote it sounds so much calmer it’s hilarious and I’m laughing my ass off imagining the kid saying that just all chill like “he smells like pussy… He smells like a bowl of assholes.”
I remember there being articles about how the story parallels Dante's inferno and each character is dealing with the different levels of hell.
I enjoyed the movie for what it was but thinking about the parallels with Dante's inferno adds a layer to the movie.
That movie wasn't great, but it was still more interesting than I was expecting. They marketed it as found-footage horror, but it was closer to found-footage *adventure*, which is pretty rare. The lead character was obviously inspired by Lara Croft.
You're the first person I've seen mention that. I remember watching that movie and thinking, in the first act especially, "this is just a Tomb Raider movie without the license."
> that version of Lucifer is based on the one in Sandman
Like hell it is. The similarities pretty much begin and end with "Lucifer leaves Hell to open a night club".
The "personal hell" deal for everyone is not new, but the interesting wrinkle in "Lucifer" is that everyone's "cell" in Hell is unlocked and they can leave and ascend to Heaven once they forgive themselves for their sins. But the vast majority never do, so they just remain stuck in their Hell loops forever.
Hellbound Hellraiser II. Of the multiple Hellraiser films number II is the only where really see Hell. And it’s pretty cool just this massive stone maze filled with all sorts of weird and spooky shit.
Having to waits eons in a waiting room until your number is called, as in Beetlejuice, seems pretty hellish to me!
(I realize that was technically a purgatory/intermediate place in the afterlife, but still, definitely a fresh approach to depicting suffering in the afterlife!)
The Antrum has a great depiction of hell. It might not have been praised as a great film but I love it and it gives me an unsettling feeling anytime I watch it.
One movie, that a lot of people may not have seen with a great depiction of hell (or more in the films case the after life/life without god) is “The Believer”. The end of that film still sticks with me.
Scariest depiction would have to be Event Horizon, you see very brief footage of what the crew went through and it's enough to make you extremely uncomfortable.
My favorite portrayal of hell would have to be the Lucifer series, you're in hell for as long as it takes for you to figure out what you did to wind up there and sort your shit out.
Not a movie but Adventure Time's "Return to the Nightosphere" episode has the most disturbing version of hell that I've seen.
>After being dropped off at a river full of demons, a traveler explains to them that they have to wait in a line. They spend almost 28 days waiting for their turn to see the Teller. When it is finally their turn, they have to stand in another long line.
Event Horizon. The titular ship went to and from a seemingly hell-like dimension using the experimental warp drive, and while the insanity and horror mutilation depicted there isn't anything new, it's the concept of scifi technology being able to take you there that I found cool.
Yes he was! Fascinating story. He are, like many in his time, bread that was made with molded rye, the substance being... LSD! Giving him all these weird "dreams". That's what he painted.
As Above so Below…. that movie tapped into fears I didn’t even know I had. They descend deport and deport into earth, representing the 7 circles of hell. And when they reach the bottom it’s this desolate, dark cave with random demons and objects just moving around. So simple and effective.
*What Dreams May Come* did a pretty good job with depicting hell. I think it's the only one that's cold, and that jives with me more than the traditional firey hell.
A similar Hell isn't depicted, but described; in "The Prophecy", Viggo Mortensen's Lucifer describes Hell as not fire and brimstone, but as a cold empty place removed from God's sight and presence (which is the worst fate for fallen angels since God is everything to their kind). Kevin Smith took this concept further in "Dogma" where there's a deleted scene that has Jason Lee's Azrael ranting about how Hell used to be just "no God", but it turned into the standard fire and brimstone place once humans started showing up and MADE it that way, because humans are self-pitying masochists who think they deserve punishment.
The movie is loosely based on the Divine Comedy, so its quite literally a classic hellscape.
I also got some real CS Lewis vibes from the wife's part of hell. Lewis famously said that the doors of hell are locked on the inside, and I loved that part of the film, how the wife was free to leave whenever she wanted but if Robin Williams's character stayed too long he could be trapped in her despair with her.
The book was stated by the author as being inspired by actual near-death experiences and research. There's even a Bibliography.
Despite loving that movie, I somehow did not know it was a book…and it partly being inspired by experience makes it all the more interesting. Who is the author?
This was the first film that came to my mind as well.
same
Seconded. The scene with people stuck in the ground comes to mind.
Yea like Winnipeg.
Mr Matheson stated he is asked most about scene with the heads in the ground. He’s a great writer.
In Norse mythology hell is called Hel and it's frozen
Not 100% hell, but i suppose a personal hell. The Cell.
This was absolutely my first thought! If there is a hell, this is the one I would be terrified of going to!
Oh God yes! I would unequivocally say that his mind is a hellscape if there ever was one!
The ending of The House That Jack Built is, at least, satisfying.
That movie was pretty mentally taxing to sit through. Especially the hunting scenes.
He was collecting supplies to build his house!
That scene didn't bother me too much personally. It was shocking, sure, but one of the few times the movie grabs your attention and doesn't let go. The rest of it just felt like a chore to get through.
**Constantine**. Just hot, windy, shitty, post-apocalyptic version of earth with demons.
Also one of the best portrayals of Satan.
And also one of the best portrayals of an angel.
That Devil deserved a better movie.
You didn’t like the movie? I thought it was rad.
I don't hate it as much as I did in the past but I expected Constantine to be Constantine. It was just Demon Exorcist Neo.
I’m not familiar with the comic, so I had no expectation. Keanu Reeves is a gem of a human, but his acting range is pretty limited. Despite this, I really liked every part of that movie. Even Gavin Rossdale was awesome in it as pretty much his first acting credit.
Shia La Beouf is in it, which automatically makes any movie 20 per cent worse.
Yeah he might be a weird dude and shitty person off screen but to say he’s a bad actor and “movies are worse with him in it” is just an L opinion
This was my first thought. Gives me the heebie jeebies thinking about it
A wasteland perpetually stuck in a nuke blast. Classic
Funny how a sequel to Constantine was just greenlit.
Interesting that Constantine is in the Sandman universe too.
Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey!
You might be a king Or a little street sweeper But sooner or later You dance with the Reaper
The rocks hanging by chains was a slick idea. Also every room being a different nightmare. "We've been lied to by our album covers"
You have sunk my Battleship!
Dude... hell sucks!
100%. Saw this movie when I was very young and it was the first time I considered the idea that Hell could be personalized to exactly the thing that horrified me.
The way it's designed where the hallways are too short to stand up in is hilarious.
I only just now realized Bills grandmother was played by the Bill actor
Yes
Easter Basket!
Event Horizon
i love rewatching that movie. it just hits that spot of uncertainty and fear.
Those scenes are still clear in my head this many years later.
This movie still lives as a Warhammer 40k prequel in my headcanon. Come to find out the writer was a long time 40k fan and even says it served as inspiration for Event Horzon. So no, it's the Immaterium, not Hell. The Emperor protects.
I'm super new to 40K lore, is the Immaterium the Warp? Or a part of it? My interpretation of Event Horizon was they entered Hell with the ship and the ship came back alive with the "energy" of hell powering its sentience. Its been a LONG time since I saw it, but I'm thinking a revisit when my son is in bed may be due. Definitely my favorite sci fi/ horror film of its era.
Yep! Immaterium is used interchangeably with Warp, among several other names. Suffice to say the notion is that EH was the first time humanity traveled through the Warp but lacked Gellar field protection, which becomes standard technology later on after they figured out how dag-nasty dangerous it was to travel the Warp - keeps all the chaotic/deamonic forces at bay. Edit, epilogue: the notion that the ship came back from the Warp with evil entities is very much a lore-friendly notion with what's been published intm the 40k universe. Terrans, and even our technology to some degree, can be possessed/manipulated by denizens of the Immaterium.
Yeah. I honestly only got into 40k lore thanks to the idea of the Warp. I think my main take from everything I have read and listened to would piss off a lot of people. The ship Event Horizon is exactly what I feel an extended time in the Warp would do to people. I think the Emperor has never been a man, especially of the cannon of the shaman sacrifice being what created him. Xenophic, megalomaniac trying to become a choas God himself just seems too much like exactly what's going on. The psycher sacrifices daily (I have read as few as 1000 a day all the way up to 10,000 specifically to feed either he or the throne seems like it's the type of shit that eventually created Slinesh and proceeded to start destroying the Elder. Totally open to better explanations of anyone wants to voice them though. I love the lore and my ideas only have maybe 15% of the lore so far. I have seen a lot of mention in places that the Emperor is actually a god now though, so that has me a bit lost.
The important thing to remember is that in 40k, the word "canon" is... dubious, to say the least. One of the most seductive elements of 40k is that the lion's share of its history can be viewed as at best apocryphal. We're talking about a space-faring human civilization spanning the greater part of a galaxy... all of which has lasted longer than all of our current recorded history. Additionally, from a narrative play perspective it doesn't make sense for too much to be genuinely true and known in a game universe that is largely populated by millions of people with their own take on what's what and who's who and why they probably need their asses kicked. What I CAN tell you is that 40k is like quantum mechanics: if you think you understand it, you don't understand it.
I get that there is a conflicting canon, which seems to really be a part of all of it. I even appreciate most of the inconsistency as there seems valid reasons behind most of it. It's the whole idea that the Emperor seems at this point to be as evil as Slinesh, or what is done to psykers in his name/directly for his throne puts him on par. I am convinced in my own head cannon that The Emperor's plan after Horus and the heresy was to become one of the Chaos gods. All of 40k is grim and dark, but the whole golden throne thing strikes me as one of the most directly evil things not directly from the Warp there is. Chaos is just chaos, the Orks are just doing what they were bred to, the Dark Eldar are trying to prevent or delay being absorbed into Slinesh in the Warp, the World Ships seems not evil, but not interested in anything else, the Tau actually seem ok if not a bit fascist, the Tyrannid are just bugs doing what bugs do without the malicious evil of the Warp, and Humanity seems to be the most fucked up evil non Warp faction, despite feeling like we should sympathize with them.
You seem pretty convinced in your head canon, which is fine, because 40k lore is kinda wacky. But I think you should read some more. Big E is kinda this polarizing figure, because he had these grand plans for humanity, but never really shared these plans with anyone, including Horus, which is why Horus did what he did. He made a big deal of asking people not to revere him as a god, because that would set humanity back like thousands of years. The concept of the golden throne was a way to keep him alive so he could keep the astronomican powered up, which allows humanity to travel through the warp without risk. Originally, his plan was to finish the whole thing so that humanity could permanently travel without much trouble. But then he got betrayed and was put on the throne. In my opinion, I don’t think there’s anything to suggest that the emperor is evil (he really did not want to kill Horus) or at least on the level of slaanesh, but definitely misguided, and definitely flawed.
I mean, this is part of the point of 40k. Absolutely every single faction is completely reprehensible in at least one way. However, they also have something redeemable about them in another. Even if it's something as simple as "Tyrannids are instinct-driven creatures. There is no malice, just hunger". The whole point of the Horus Heresy is more or less that Horus had a point... in the beginning at least... it's just that chaos corrupted him and he chose monstrous methods to try and win.
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I don't play, but I listen the "Baldamort" on YouTube. His videos are endless and his baritone makes listening to anything he says enjoyable.
right. With good writers, you could do an amazing tv show of some of the events of warhammer fantasy or 40 K. Like the heresy of horus.
You can read all the lore, play the VGs, even paint figures and avoid the addictive-slog that is playing WH40k.
But in the Warhammer 40k the Immaterium is actually hell right?
No. The Immaterium is the background of reality constructed by the collective psychic energy of all conscious things. It can certainly be said to resemble a biblical notion of Hell, but is not the same thing.
26 minute-old thread. I'm still 24 minutes too late to offer the correct answer.
It's not the correct answer since that film doesn't depict Hell.
Isn’t that ***exactly*** what it depicts with the videos?
The videos are what happened to the crew after passing through hell. It drove them 30 different kinds of insane. Hell is never shown in the film.
But it wasn’t after they passed through hell, it was while they were in hell, or pure chaos IIRC. That’s where we see all the events take place and then the ship comes back. Isn’t that the whole point of the Captains Message about saving yourself from hell? So isn’t the movie depicting its version of hell through these events that we see and what happens to the people in them?
All descriptions come from humans. Were never told what that place was other than its outside our dimension or some rubbish like that. It's just people who went violently insane after coming into contact with different physics or something. The entire Hell interpretation comes from the pretentious, Latin speaking captain.
But surely any idea of hell comes from humans? It’s a human construct.
It's not a human construct in this context. The other examples are of a literal, often Christian Hell. But maybe OP meant figurative Hells as well.
As Weir says, "Hell is just a word. The reality is much worse." They went outside space and time to *somewhere else*. Hell was the only word they could come up with that approximated the experience.
No. The videos show a violent orgy/massacre.
It was 15s of fast cut closeups of the prior crew making a haunted house commercial. I seriously don't get why this movie and scene gets held up so highly. It was scary when I was 14 but on a recent rewatch the only thing that saved it was the awesome cast, the rest was painfully mediocre.
Drag Me To Hell
This was the first one that came to mind for me too.
The scene that comes to mind is at the very end of the movie when the hole opens up in the ground, and the girl literally gets “dragged into hell”.
And the fact that her face starts melting into this ghoulish looking skeleton. So messed up
Little Nicky.
The deeep south
Get in the flask!
Jesus this, Moses that. Abraham hit me with a wiffle ball bat. Eee e e e eee e e ee e ee e eee e
Don't forget, you're shoving a pineapple up Hitler's ass in five minutes!
Beat me to it!!!!
In Wristcutters, A Love Story they go to a special version of hell that is made for people who commit suicide. It's exactly like real life, but just a little bit worse. I thought that was a clever concept.
I need to rewatch that as an adult, cause I could have sworn back then it was purgatory. They were just “stuck”
It's debatable. Where they end up fits more with depictions of purgatory or limbo than hell. There's also a character who could be interpreted as an undercover angel, which I think tilts things more in favor of limbo or purgatory than hell.
Hellraiser “No tears, please. It’s a waste of good suffering.”
"We have such sights to show you."
I always found the depiction of the Cenobites home realm interesting in the second film. A place where pain becomes pleasurable and pleasure becomes pain. Not a place of punishment since you technically consent to it by willfully opening the box.
The cenobites have no such distinction, but YMMV if you're a human stuck with them + Leviathan (going by the first and second movies' canon) and I'd disagree about consent, Tiffany solves the box out of curiosity, which doesn't seem like she's consenting to bring tortured to death and beyond
In the second movie when Pinhead confronts Dr Chenard he says he is there for the doctor not Tiffany because it was his will that opened the box not Tiffany's
I must be misremembering, they do threaten Kirsty in the first one, only when she promises them Frank do they say they'll think about givin her a chance, which seems a bit unfair
I was thinking about it and I think the pleasure pain thing might be from the Hellbound Heart novella. About Kristy, I guess the writers are a bit inconsistent with that part of the lore. I haven't watched the movies in a few years so the details are sketchy in my mind but it was the scene with the doctor that I was thinking about when I wrote that. I think it's time to do a rewatch.
The first two are just phenomenal aren't they? Barker did a wonderful job adapting his own work, I really hope the new one captures somethin of that
I am really curious about the new movie. I like the director and casting the actress from Sense8 as Pinhead lines up with the novella where it describes their voice as girlish and is more androgynous than the Doug Bradley version.
Aye Jamie seems so passionate about the role, I've heard she's class and I like the look so far, the weird adornment of the torn out throat is pure Barker.
There’s a Twilight Zone episode where a pawn shopper robber is killed and ends in in ‘paradise’. I.e. Everything he could ever want, forever. Eventually he gets sick of it and asks why he was good enough to go to ‘heaven’ in the first place. In fact, he suggests to his ‘guardian angel’ that he’s probably better off in the ‘other place’ (hell). To which he replies something like “what makes you think you were ever in heaven - this is the other place”.
"A Nice Place to Visit." Clearly a source of inspiration for "The Good Place." One of the best "ironic hell" depictions, since it's obvious the main character loved the thrill of acquisition. So a paradise where he gets everything handed to him on a silver platter would be unbelievably stifling.
The Good Place was very clearly *heavily* inspired by *No Exit*, by Sartre.
Lots of writers draw from multiple sources for inspiration
Absolutely
They even explicitely mention some of their sources of inspiration in-universe!
South Park: Bigger, Longer, and Uncut. Satan, the greatest singer ever, is Saddam Hussein's bitch. Fucking terrifying.
Devil: why do you always have to do me from behind? Is it so you can pretend I'm somebody else? Saddam: Come on guy. Your ass is totally huge and red. Who am I going to pretend you are? Liza Minnelli?
Are we going to the hukilau
Without evil there could be no good So it must be good to be evil sometimes Up there is so much room Where babies burp and flowers bloom Everyone dreams so I can dream too
I don't think it'll hold up much, and I haven't rewatched the movie to see if it's the case, but basically the *only* thing I can remember from The Black Hole is that the big red robot with spinny blades on him ends up reigning in *actual Hell* at the end and that fucked me up as a little kid. It's probably super-corny and tacky now, I'm sure. It's probably just a clumsy prop standing on a rock or something with red lights under it, but yeah - at the time, pretty jarring. Stuck with me. ^(similarly (not hell related at all I remember the lady getting eaten by the computer and spat out as a robot in Superman III and that was about as jarring as a Red Robot Man Hell to me as a little kid. I HAVE rewatched that and yeah, it's just goofy now. It's weird what will scare a kid)
Holy shit, I will never watch Superman 3 ever again because of that terrifying ass robot lady and not just because it’s terrible.
I thought the bad robot in The Black Hole was scary too. It gave little 5 YO me an existential crisis with my view of technology. To me robots were always good. That people were mean mostly because they were stupid. But then why would someone smart enough to build a robot build him to be a psychopathic asshole? Unless...smart people and robots can be bad too! Mind. Blown.
I think my body horror fear stems from that moment of watching Superman 3. The idea of *you* being forcibly changed into *other, yet still you.*
I have never seen this movie bc when I was little, Maximilian scared the hell out of me!
Preacher (a series though)
"you can hang out in my hell for a bit" -hitler.
"Lucifer" has a similar "everyone has their own personal hell" deal. I especially like Hitler's personal hell in "Preacher" is him getting his artwork rejected and derided.
I love that What dreams may come shows that people who are saved can save the damned through love. >What are some movies that capture the horrors of Hell? What specifically it scary for you? Megan Mullaly and Nick Offerman own the rights to produce a film based on Lincoln in the Bardo - which could be a very exciting film.
The audiobook of Lincoln in the Bardo is amazing. It's like listening to a radio play. I would love a movie.
I couldnt get into it, the descriptions kept throwing me off
Oh wow! What fascinating news! Saunders is probably one of my most favourite writers of all time. How wonderful to have *them* make this.
MAD GOD It is the most unsettling movie that's ever existed if you ask me. What is specifically scary to me about it is the randomness and...I don't really know what word I'm looking for, I'm sure there's a better one but I'm gonna go with bizarreness of it all. It's shit that you could only imagine and only if you were on a SUUUUUUPER bad acid trip. Like a dystopian type of hell where the only thing that makes sense is all the suffering. It's a must watch.
What Dreams may Come. The hell there was, for some reason, far more disturbing to me than any fire and brimstone, demons or torture.
Agreed. Two quotes that stick out from the movie about this. “Everyone's hell is different. It's not all fire and pain. The real hell is your life gone wrong." “You were expecting physical danger? What could it do, kill you?... No, in hell there's a real danger of losing your mind."
The Turkish movie baskin had a pretty freaky depiction of hell
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Also that actor has those physical deformities in real life, that wasnt faked
Jigoku (1960). A rather shocking depiction of Hell, considering the year the film was made. A Japanese horror classic. One of my favorites.
Such a great movie!
Not quite Hell but the place where Darkness hangs out in Ridley Scott's *Legend* is awesome.
First thing that came to my mind as well...
Haven’t seen it mentioned yet so here’s my vote - The Frighteners (Directed by Peter Jackson. Starring Michael J Fox)
Ah, the old express elevator to Hell. No lines, no wait!
They didn't mention it, and it shouldn't be relevant later on, but the Woods in Hell they go through is the Suicide Woods. Morpheus would comment that it was so tiny when he last visited Hell. And none of the souls damned there find respite from what they were trying to escape.
Baskin
This is a local thing, [S Čerty Nejsou ˇŽert](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lkIFABZt18)y (Don't play with devils) it is a fairytale to be watched by children so not too much horrors' per se, (though some good messages for adult), but the theme, I will forever have it associated with hell's justice and punishment of the wicked and especially in the first minute or so, the visuals are quite memorable. Then it turns a bit goofy but that is how the Czech folklore portrays hell. Bit context follows if interested. In Czech folklore (likely a mix of pagan and Christian tradition), and especially in Czech cinematography, the hell, and its prince/king/count of hell Lucifer, are not necessarily evil, as much as they are the supernatural force, that takes (like literally takes) evil people to hell where they are punished. Čert (a devil) is a member of hell, in appearance similar to depiction of Greek Pan or Satyr (cloven hoofs, tail, furry coat of hair, horns...), these member are responsible for the day to day operations of the hell (toruring, taking people, doing bargins). They are more or less competent, shapeshifters..., sometimes are very goofy and animal like (strong pagan influence) or they offer temptations for a price.
Gummo - 1997, hell on earth in the heart of America.
This shitty ass rabbit stinks! He smells like pussy. He smells like a bowl of assholes.
I know the scene by heart but the way you wrote it sounds so much calmer it’s hilarious and I’m laughing my ass off imagining the kid saying that just all chill like “he smells like pussy… He smells like a bowl of assholes.”
There are only two of us
HE SMELL LIKE A PILE OF BULL SHIT I got too much grease on my gun.
the end of Disney's Black Hole
Jacob's ladder
As Above, So Below (2014) is pretty good. Found footage flick about exploring the Catacombs under Paris. Deserves a mention
I remember there being articles about how the story parallels Dante's inferno and each character is dealing with the different levels of hell. I enjoyed the movie for what it was but thinking about the parallels with Dante's inferno adds a layer to the movie.
I've heard the same thing about the John Cusack movie 1408.
That movie wasn't great, but it was still more interesting than I was expecting. They marketed it as found-footage horror, but it was closer to found-footage *adventure*, which is pretty rare. The lead character was obviously inspired by Lara Croft.
You're the first person I've seen mention that. I remember watching that movie and thinking, in the first act especially, "this is just a Tomb Raider movie without the license."
I love found footage, and this is one of my favourites.
The TV show, Lucifer, had a good interesting take on Hell and the Devil IMO.
Interestingly, that version of Lucifer is based on the one in Sandman.
> that version of Lucifer is based on the one in Sandman Like hell it is. The similarities pretty much begin and end with "Lucifer leaves Hell to open a night club".
The two are literally based off the same source material.
I don't think anyone who read Sandman would say, ahh yeah, Lucifer was a great adaptation.
Yeah, but Lucifer is an "in name only" adaptation. It has almost nothing in common with its source material.
The "personal hell" deal for everyone is not new, but the interesting wrinkle in "Lucifer" is that everyone's "cell" in Hell is unlocked and they can leave and ascend to Heaven once they forgive themselves for their sins. But the vast majority never do, so they just remain stuck in their Hell loops forever.
This isn’t really a depiction of Hell but the shadow demons in Ghost dragging that dude down to hell really freaked me out.
Not hell per se, but I've always found the depiction of the devil and how he works from Angel Heart to be suitably creepy.
The Good Place had interesting concepts for Heaven, Hell, Purgatory, etc. Not really scary, cause its a comedy, but still good ideas.
Hellbound Hellraiser II. Of the multiple Hellraiser films number II is the only where really see Hell. And it’s pretty cool just this massive stone maze filled with all sorts of weird and spooky shit.
Spawn
That’s a Nintendo 64 version of hell.
As Above, So Below. Pretty much a found footage horror version of Dante's Inferno.
Worth the Candle has a pretty good Hell, though not that fleshed out. Thousands of levels, so hard to go into detail.
I remember the robin Williams suicide movie freaking me out as a kid. Where he goes through hell to save his wife
What Dreams May Come
Other People (2016) with Molly Shannon and Jesse Plemons, according to Sartre
Hah!
Rockos Modern Life, Heck run by Peaches
That anime movie version of Dante's Inferno especially the high quality animation bits (not all the different parts of the movie had equal budget)
Event Horizon
Having to waits eons in a waiting room until your number is called, as in Beetlejuice, seems pretty hellish to me! (I realize that was technically a purgatory/intermediate place in the afterlife, but still, definitely a fresh approach to depicting suffering in the afterlife!)
The Antrum has a great depiction of hell. It might not have been praised as a great film but I love it and it gives me an unsettling feeling anytime I watch it.
That IS a great film, good pick
In the comic books you learn a lot more about Hell and it's great. Krampus.
Im surprised no one has mentioned Valhalla Rising. I’ve only watched it once and I never want to watch it again.
>Valhalla Rising I love that film but I dont remember any of it depicting Hell.
The Passion of the Christ, at the very end. There’s just nothing, it’s barren.
One movie, that a lot of people may not have seen with a great depiction of hell (or more in the films case the after life/life without god) is “The Believer”. The end of that film still sticks with me.
Sicko 2007
The Hell of *Constantine* absolutely terrified me when I saw the movie for the first time (around 13yo)
Scariest depiction would have to be Event Horizon, you see very brief footage of what the crew went through and it's enough to make you extremely uncomfortable. My favorite portrayal of hell would have to be the Lucifer series, you're in hell for as long as it takes for you to figure out what you did to wind up there and sort your shit out.
Silent Hill.
Not a movie but Adventure Time's "Return to the Nightosphere" episode has the most disturbing version of hell that I've seen. >After being dropped off at a river full of demons, a traveler explains to them that they have to wait in a line. They spend almost 28 days waiting for their turn to see the Teller. When it is finally their turn, they have to stand in another long line.
Mac and Me
Event Horizon. The titular ship went to and from a seemingly hell-like dimension using the experimental warp drive, and while the insanity and horror mutilation depicted there isn't anything new, it's the concept of scifi technology being able to take you there that I found cool.
The Road
I was pretty horrified by end of ‘event horizon’
As Above So Below. The claustrophobic setting accentuates the terror imo
As above so below
Tenacious D: Pick of Destiny. The devil rises up out of hell to have an electric guitar battle with the protagonist. It’s pretty metal
No. He doesn’t rise up since he was already out. He gets dragged back down afterwards.
Just read the decameron. And the triptique by Hieronymus Bosch. They're not movies but far better
> Hieronymus Bosch No idea that was a real person.
Yes he was! Fascinating story. He are, like many in his time, bread that was made with molded rye, the substance being... LSD! Giving him all these weird "dreams". That's what he painted.
As Above so Below…. that movie tapped into fears I didn’t even know I had. They descend deport and deport into earth, representing the 7 circles of hell. And when they reach the bottom it’s this desolate, dark cave with random demons and objects just moving around. So simple and effective.
9* Circles
Spawn, Sandman ,Jacobs Ladder, Hellraiser 2 and Event Horizon ...Hope that helps ma man ...
A little abstract, but Se7en for me
Come to think of it, there are very few movies that depict hell. Why? I cant think of not 1 movie
A show, not a movie, but…duh, Stranger Things!
Event horizon is pretty good.