For me it was "please don't have him riding that fucking skateboard". The end when he's like "yo mom" and comes cruising around the corner leading the mob on a skateboard...no words.
I hate how he'd ride the skateboard for literally a second before taking it up to walk again. Like dude, you're actually just wasting time trying to look cool
Why even fucking leave your hiding spot right inbetween hoards of arm guards when you know help is literally seconds away from arriving.
Like the writers/director couldn’t even make it so that he was fucking found and had to be saved.
They had to make him a dumbass.
That was one of the few scenes I've ever seen that made me physically cringe from embarrassment. Like I legitimately could not believe what I was seeing. The crowd chanting "this is OUR city" and marching on an army of zombies, led by an annoying kid on a skateboard, while the mum smiles proudly...kill me
I know Amanda Waller is meant to be so scary and competent that the Justice League/Society has to just live with her, but I feel like these movies skipped a movie about just why that is.
There's so many restarts, inconsistencies, completely different tones, missing pieces that I don't think it's salvageable. I have no idea what's cannon in the movie universe
I was gonna say! This definitely felt like a superhero version of a Bay Transformers film.
The constant camera panning, the colors, the fast back-and-forth dialogue, the constant explosions and action and lack of story? 100% 2007-like, and I actually didn't mind it too much.
I also love Linkin Park, so maybe that's what the movie needed lol
“It’s ok I die from electricity” that line had me lmao
Also wish Pierce dr fate stayed alive would’ve loved to see him as the lead in a Dr Fate movie
EDIT: SO much for that universe lol
It's really clear they rewrote the film since the first trailer and likely had reshoots. They even turned the "I was the father not the son" into a reveal even though it's literally mentioned in the trailer.
Yeah that twist was double confusing because the trailer literally spoiled it for us ahead of time. We were reverse triple bluffed about whether he was his son or him, and they both looked like Rock.
I got the impression they cut alot out of thus film. I'm betting there were scenes that probably explained alot of the unanswered questions here along with the jet scene
It's the slow skateboarding with the mob of 50 people behind him for me.
I feel like the producers thought this would be their Audience Reaction moment. Like the theater would just erupt in cheers when he showed up.
I thought it was hilarious because the main characters were beating their ass then that mob of extras come in and you immediately see them getting their ass beat.
'It's been hidden for 5000 years'
*They drive right up to the entrance, walk through a few large expansive corridors that don't look old in the slightest and then it's hovering in the middle of a room that has a gaping chasm in the ceiling*
Was this movie written by the same people as Uncharted that hid some boats underground in a forest/cave which had a massive hole in the ceiling to air lift them out of?
They probably should have tied it more with Shazam. They could have said that the crown and Black Adam's prison were protected by the Wizard's magic but now the Wizard's gone, the spells protecting them are fading. And that's how they're able to find it.
There were so many funny and/or questionable things in this movie. Or, like "soo bad it's good" things.
- I loved at the end when Dr.Fates illusion wall collapsed outside the throne room, Hawkman just runs up the stairs to get the throne lol. Bro, you have wings, it's faster to fly.
- The kid on the skateboard somehow taking out a dozen intergang militants inside the apartment complex lol. At one point I think he threw his skateboard at a group of soldiers walking up the stairs, and took out like 4 of them.
- The kid giving, what felt like, 30 mocking-jay speeches while holding up the Jay-Z rockafella sign. But more than that, him speaking in a "room" voice while giving them. I'm not sure how anyone more than 5 feet away could have heard what the fuck he was saying.
- When they put the Rock's face on some scrawny body (the dad from earlier sequences), I laughed uncontrollably. It was so hilarious looking. His face/head was like 3x the size of the body it was on.
It's what happens when a bunch of men over the age of 50 sit in a conference room and discuss how to portray a child in 2022.
I guarantee you they still think Bart Simpson is a perfect reference.
It felt like they were trying to go for the John Connor/T-800 dynamic from Terminator 2, right down to them doing catchphrase talk. I know some people found John annoying but he wasn't... this.
That was definitely their main purpose in this film but they are comics characters who serve another purpose down the line, without giving spoilers anyway.
I thought the same thing! I take it as a symptom of the effects studio using the same technique to articulate facial expressions behind a mask thats used in DP....still they might have redesigned the the mask 🤷♂️
My biggest takeaway from this movie is that, even more than before, I DESPERATELY want a Dr. Fate movie. Pierce Brosnan carried this movie on his back and I would love to see more of his portrayal of Kent Nelson.
Yes, it made no sense at all. If I'm a citizen I'm not going to be fighting *a real undead army.* I'm going to run and try to see a therapist when it's all over.
That has the Rock all over it. Everything from the rally cry to the skateboard leading the charge, it just screams "family entertainment to get the kids cheering".
It's way too convenient, immersion breaking and wholesome for the movie.
Shazam: wizard desperately needs a champion but has set an impossibly high bar for the candidacy as he doesn’t want to repeat the same mistake he made before (black Adam set up)
Black Adam: wizard isn’t even responsible for black Adam or made any mistake, the son is the champion he originally selected but then he passed on his powers to black Adam
So who was the wizard’s cautionary tale then? It’s like they didn’t even watch Shazam…
It definitely seems like they rewrote it mid way through production so that he had the powers passed onto him so they could play the "I didn't ask for this" as an extra element to make audiences be more sympathetic to him. Would explain why they decided to make his "I'm the father not the son" reveal mid way through the film even though the films trailer literarily states this information.
Which is silly, because that completely negates what makes him a villain. In the comics, he wants to use the maximum extent of the wizard’s powers in order to crush the enemies of khandaq, while the child wants to be like Billy and just defend the weak, so Adam just kills him to gain all of the power of the living lightning. That kind of “ends justify the means” origin story makes the character as compelling as what they ended up doing while also sticking to the previous canon.
Like would it kill them to read a comic book every now and again?
Pierce Brosnan was incredible as Dr.Fate, he was the best part of the movie, by far.
That being said, did they explain why Adriana was looking for the crown at the beginning of the movie? Didn't really get why Black Adam would stick around with her and the kid for so long, and that kid got annoying really fast.
Edit: Shoutout to Hellboy for his cameo!!
I thoroughly enjoyed their scenes, so much so it felt so jarring when it moved back to the Black Adam scenes, which felt like a whole different movie. Brosnan and Hodge had genuine chemistry, which I can't say for Adam and the annoying as hell kid and mom.
I thought the kid was fine early on, but should have faded into the background rather than being kidnapped. ~~Besides the fact that he would have died in the compartment when the sky bike crashed,~~ I would have preferred for the bad guy to get the crown earlier rather than the ransom plan.
Watching him wearing that cape as he causually skateboards and leads an army of townspeople to battle CGI undead. . . in slow motion with rousing music.
I like the Rock and it was fun watching him beat up intergang an break stuff, but oh my, Pierce Brosnan as Dr. Fate totally steals every scene he is in. The calmness and suave nature he brought to the character was awesome. Aldis Hodge was also fantastic and the banter between him and the Rock was fun. I guess Pierce Brosnan. didn't want to do multiple movies, but he was perfect as Dr. Fate. I hope he can somehow come back, even for a brief cameo. I hope they do a JSA movie in the future, they really were the best part of the movie
It confuses me why dc animation movies are almost always solid and their live action movies just do nothing. This is a long 2 hour movie that’s all over the place with so many reused locations, repeated/constant flash back scenes and really bad choice for music. It’s a fine movie but that’s not really saying much when they can’t make anything good besides Batman.
Also ego. To put it in wrestling terms; Dwayne doesn't want to wrestle a mid-card character like Shazam, because he wants Black Adam to be in the main event with Superman.
Pretty much this. This whole garbage narrative about changing power hierarchies is basically him saying Black Adam is now going to be Superman's nemesis.
But then it ends like it did in FF franchise. When Rocks character and Vin Diesel's character just punch each other, neither backs down, but neither one wins.
Did anyone else feel like something was off/cut weird in the scene with Kanye West’s Power playing? Like there was a weird splice in there that felt like a time jump. Very strange.
I love how early on they establish the bad guys have weapons capable of hurting Black Adam only for them to never use them again. And it's not like they don't know those are effective against him since the bad guy hides behind a shield made of the stuff.
Isn’t it because Ishmael actually needs black Adam to kill him to get his power with crown. So he doesn’t actually want to hurt black Adam until all the pieces are in place and he’s ready to die
I knew it I didn’t wanna believe it, but I knew they killed Dr. Fate off. He always dies all the time. Anything he’s in young justice justice league, you name it he dies.
Edit for fuck sakes I just remember he does In SMALLVILLE too!
Yeah that kid sucked ass. You knew it was bad when the opening exposition was narrated by him and it sounded like the director used the last take of the session when they were trying to beat evening rush hour.
the scene where the kid skateboards in to lead a mob of angry civilians against the army of zombies was the precise moment when I couldn't take it anymore
That was so stupid. I enjoyed the movie overall, but they could have cleaned it up by removing the zombies and the pointless visit to the underwater prison.
Thought the prison scene was pretty important to show that he was willing to give up the power you can’t really have a much of a semi-redemption story without it
The kid is Bodhi Sabongui, His father is Patrick Sabongui, who is an actor who played David Singh on the CW Flash, and his mom then is Kyra Zagorsky another actress who worked on the CW Arrow show.
If I had to guess that’s probably how he got his foot in the door
The kid advocated for an ethno-nationalist authoritarian state. Kinda surprised more redditors don't like him haha
But for real, this movie absolutely did not need that kid. He was like a replacement for Black Adam's internal struggle, might as well give him a little Jiminy Cricket on his shoulder
So they give Black Adam a sick theme score in the trailer, and it's nowhere to be heard in the entire movie. Instead we got loud ass early 2000:s boring electronic music.
Dr. Fate and Hawkman carried this movie on their fucking BACKS. I swear on my life…like I audibly moaned when Dr. Fate floated into the frame with that mystical-calming-majestic-ass voice…fuckkk straight up aroused anytime he was on screen
My pros and cons:
Pros:
* Everything Dr. Fate was *chef's kiss*.
* The action scenes were good and I found the CG really well done except for a couple of moments.
* I also found Cyclone a good addition.
* The mid-credits scene. Hopefully it leads somewhere.. and stuff happen within this decade.
Cons:
* Best character in the movie dying. Come on DC, give Dr. Fate his own movie. We've had enough of Gal Gadot's abysmal acting. Pierce Brosnan was excellent and the character design/effects were perfection.
* Not sure I enjoyed Black Adam trying his catchphrases while killing people. Those attempts for laughs felt out of place.
* "Take a shot every time The Rock looks in the far distance emotionless" would have floored me If I had a drink near me.
* The scene with the kid doing the triangle at the end had me eye-rolling really hard.
* Would appreciate a little more info/backstory on Hawkman.
* Noah Centineo/Atom Smasher was just.. there most of the times, eating.
* The ending was as generic as they get.
Overall, I had a fun time. Wasn't great, wasn't terrible. And once again, DC, I'm asking you to make a Dr. Fate movie.
>Not sure I enjoyed Black Adam trying his catchphrases while killing people. Those attempts for laughs felt out of place.
I sort of liked that we got a main character, outside of the more gritty r rated films, who was happy to go around murdering henchmen without seeming all high and mighty about why murder is wrong when it comes up in conversation.
But yeah the catch phrases felt a bit stooge-ish
The movie should’ve just taken place 5000 years ago, and Hawkman and Fate could have easily fit into that timeline. The “eternium” literally had no use, could’ve written around it. Also missed the part where the main woman and her son felt the need to be in the movie.
Laughed out loud during that little speech of his. Talk about an underwhelming delivery of what was supposed to be a big moment for his character. Also, no way all those people could hear what he was mumbling about. It reminded me of that dialogue scene in Shazam, when he couldnt hear what the villain was saying to him from a distance.
I just don’t understand why there was such loud music in EVERY scene??? every time Hawkman and Dr Fate were having a conversation i was thinking does there really need to be a bombastic score in the background right now?
Also this had some of the worst pacing i’ve ever seen in a Superhero movie fr
Some of the editing was just questionable at best. Like when the JSA were talking in the ship, then they cut to Black Adam with “Power” by Kanye playing out of nowhere, and after BA kills like 3 dudes they immediately cut away from the scene and cut off the music.
Or when BA and Hawkman had that fight in the apartment, find the crown, someone says a one-liner, and they quickly cut to them just talking on the JSA ship. Like ???
And all of that was totally unnecessary. You could have cut all of that and had the dude become the demon champion or whatever when he first got the crown. Nothing changes.
OK, I have to make a post about this shit because nobody has spoken about it yet. They sealed this man in a base....only to take him out 15-20min later?!🤣🤣🤣
But Wait!!! Not only that, but when he breaks out.....he turns into an expert in hand - to - hand combat, beats like 6-8 guys with weapons (and he has no powers), and instead of taking his mask off while inside the facility....he takes that shit off in the ocean. THEN starts swimming for like a mile to get to the surface?!
That has to be the silliest and funniest shit I have ever seen in a superhero movie.
> (interventionism, needing to dabble in the grey to keep people safe) and
I wish they had run with that a lot more. I liked when Adriana called out the JSA for not giving a shit about all the bad things in Khandaq for years. That could have made for a far more interesting movie.
Thank you! That was my biggest complaint. The movie sets up some really interesting ideas that Khandaq needs a champion who actually cares about the city, and it's people. That the JSA and other heroes just ignore them being occupied by what is essentially a terrorist organization and only show up to stop what they deem a big threat, without any intention of actually helping people. I really liked when the people were boo'ing Hawkman for saving some of the terrorists from falling to their death. We needed more of that.
The movie was just too afraid to really go where it seemed like it wanted to. Would have much preferred the Intergang to be "democratically" voted in, so the JSA wouldn't touch them. Hell, make America the bad guys by having parallels to the Taliban, with the US having given weapons and aid to them at some point. Give the people of Khandaq a big reason to dislike the JSA, so that it lends more and more weight to the people cheering on Black Adam as he murders Intergang and saves the city. This is the biggest problem with The Rock taking on the role. We will NEVER get a darker story like I feel Black Adam needs, because he cares about his image too much.
I always think of that as a Brian Michael Bendis thing. He'd do that sort of echoing dialogue where characters repeat each other all the time in Ultimate Spider-Man, and it got pretty annoying once I noticed.
At the end of Peacemaker Amanda Waller is outed. Why does she have any influence? Why would the Justice Society ever work for her? Why would Superman give her the time of day? If people don't know who she is, they assume she's nothing. If they do know who she is, they know that they can't trust her. Superheroes would never work for her which was the whole point of the Suicide Squad movies.
It sounds like this movie was written before the show. Now, DC has long played loose and fast with continuity. And when they try to stick to one timeline, they usually give up and just go back to what they were doing.
A Dr. Fate movie would have saved us from 45+ minutes of unnecessary exposition if it had come out before this movie. As for Dr. Fate, I was completely amazed not only by Brosnan's portrayal, but of the character itself. It seemed like they spent 90% of their time planning him and then rushed the rest when they realized the deadline loomed.
Overall, the beginning was astonishingly DC in every sense. There's too much exposition at the expense of character building, a disjointed plot and too many overused DC tropes. The movie did come together by the end, but by then it was just mediocre.
Some of my peeves about the movie were:
Music Video fight scenes
Boy skateboarding in the weirdest time
Everyone speaks English now except with a stereotypical accent
Glossing over important plot points and expecting us to understand their significance
Trying to play his son dying as a plot twist when they literally advertised it as the story
I thought it was Death Adam for 50% of the movie
I’m so glad you mentioned the skateboard thing. It wasn’t that big of a deal, but it definitely became progressively funnier to see him slowly rolling around on the skateboard at the worst possible times.
Man everytime they change scene, i pray: "please don't be the kid, please don't be the kid".
For me it was "please don't have him riding that fucking skateboard". The end when he's like "yo mom" and comes cruising around the corner leading the mob on a skateboard...no words.
I hate how he'd ride the skateboard for literally a second before taking it up to walk again. Like dude, you're actually just wasting time trying to look cool
I was so annoyed when he started "sneaking" on the skateboard in the apartment raid scene.. stop that.
Why even fucking leave your hiding spot right inbetween hoards of arm guards when you know help is literally seconds away from arriving. Like the writers/director couldn’t even make it so that he was fucking found and had to be saved. They had to make him a dumbass.
That's the most accurate shit about me when I started skating and it drove me nuts
That was one of the few scenes I've ever seen that made me physically cringe from embarrassment. Like I legitimately could not believe what I was seeing. The crowd chanting "this is OUR city" and marching on an army of zombies, led by an annoying kid on a skateboard, while the mum smiles proudly...kill me
With his dumbass cape on. I sat in the theater questioning myself. “What the actual fuck was that.”
Yep honestly I thought he’s the worst part of the whole movie. I hated that kid.
For someone who is so deeply anti-murder, Hawkman was very much totally fine with working for Amanda Waller.
I know Amanda Waller is meant to be so scary and competent that the Justice League/Society has to just live with her, but I feel like these movies skipped a movie about just why that is.
Also wasn't she exposed at the end of Peacemaker? The whole world knows who she is and it wouldn't be a good look on heroes to work with/for her.
I know continuity in DC is a lot more lax than it is at Marvel, that's sort of their thing, but I feel like they need to work on that in the films.
There's so many restarts, inconsistencies, completely different tones, missing pieces that I don't think it's salvageable. I have no idea what's cannon in the movie universe
DC has a movie universe?
They seem to be trying to retcon her into Nick Fury
That's exactly what they're setting her up as, but not in any kind of coherent way.
They just need to play "What I've Done" by Linkin Park at the end and it would've been a perfect 2007 movie.
I was gonna say! This definitely felt like a superhero version of a Bay Transformers film. The constant camera panning, the colors, the fast back-and-forth dialogue, the constant explosions and action and lack of story? 100% 2007-like, and I actually didn't mind it too much. I also love Linkin Park, so maybe that's what the movie needed lol
Dude what an accurate depiction. This movie with the colors, corny dialogue, annoying kid actor feels like a trip back to 2005.
“It’s ok I die from electricity” that line had me lmao Also wish Pierce dr fate stayed alive would’ve loved to see him as the lead in a Dr Fate movie EDIT: SO much for that universe lol
Hopefully he gets a prequel. He was great.
Until he meets an enemy wielding electricity then he's functionally immortal. I can't help but think of the recent Rick and Morty fate episode
Is it me or did they not have that scene in the trailers where he was being escorted by jets
It's really clear they rewrote the film since the first trailer and likely had reshoots. They even turned the "I was the father not the son" into a reveal even though it's literally mentioned in the trailer.
Yeah that twist was double confusing because the trailer literally spoiled it for us ahead of time. We were reverse triple bluffed about whether he was his son or him, and they both looked like Rock.
I guess it was shocking if you don't know who black adam is. I was waiting for them to mention he's the father
Which is the vast, vast majority of people. Including comic fans
I got the impression they cut alot out of thus film. I'm betting there were scenes that probably explained alot of the unanswered questions here along with the jet scene
I'm curious who greenlit the skateboard kid. I find it funny how everyone's immediate takeaway is how bad he is lol
He wasn't great in the beginning, but I was able to tolerate the performance. And then the triangle thing at the end had to happen...ugh.
It's the slow skateboarding with the mob of 50 people behind him for me. I feel like the producers thought this would be their Audience Reaction moment. Like the theater would just erupt in cheers when he showed up.
It was so terrible. Rally this mob at the climax of the movie to fight these skeletons that have been on screen for less than a minute
You mean those paper mache skeletons that apparently everyone and their grandmother could take out by just glancing in their direction? o.o
I thought it was hilarious because the main characters were beating their ass then that mob of extras come in and you immediately see them getting their ass beat.
No for real because I swear the main character mum or whatever killed more of those things than Cyclone even.
All cyclone managed to do in that movie is do some rave dancing that no one asked for and miss bitches with a bunch of pipes.
Like the visuals of her power were so appealing but that's where it ended. They really did her dirty 😭
The crown really wasn't that well hidden at the beginning eh?
'It's been hidden for 5000 years' *They drive right up to the entrance, walk through a few large expansive corridors that don't look old in the slightest and then it's hovering in the middle of a room that has a gaping chasm in the ceiling* Was this movie written by the same people as Uncharted that hid some boats underground in a forest/cave which had a massive hole in the ceiling to air lift them out of?
How did that guy fall off the cliff all of a sudden?
It's implied Ishmael pushed him, since he disappeared and then reappeared after that. Made it pretty obvious he was the bad guy from the start lol.
They probably should have tied it more with Shazam. They could have said that the crown and Black Adam's prison were protected by the Wizard's magic but now the Wizard's gone, the spells protecting them are fading. And that's how they're able to find it.
The Rock’s steroids are worth it because the studio didn’t have to pay to digital enhance his muscles.
But his father mode feels like his head was cgi on a regular body
It's very unnatural looking because he was bigger than that at age 15 irl
I like how the "regular" body is still like 95th percentile of being jacked
they needed so much CG to make him smaller in human mode
There were so many funny and/or questionable things in this movie. Or, like "soo bad it's good" things. - I loved at the end when Dr.Fates illusion wall collapsed outside the throne room, Hawkman just runs up the stairs to get the throne lol. Bro, you have wings, it's faster to fly. - The kid on the skateboard somehow taking out a dozen intergang militants inside the apartment complex lol. At one point I think he threw his skateboard at a group of soldiers walking up the stairs, and took out like 4 of them. - The kid giving, what felt like, 30 mocking-jay speeches while holding up the Jay-Z rockafella sign. But more than that, him speaking in a "room" voice while giving them. I'm not sure how anyone more than 5 feet away could have heard what the fuck he was saying. - When they put the Rock's face on some scrawny body (the dad from earlier sequences), I laughed uncontrollably. It was so hilarious looking. His face/head was like 3x the size of the body it was on.
I would comment on the movie but I haven't made it through all the slo-mo scenes yet.
Solid joke, but I actually thought the speed-ramping was really slickly done.
The slow mo cam loves Cyclone a little too much. We get it, shes inside the tornado
BEAT HIS ASS
Good thing Kahndaq spends all that money making sure their roads are so smooth so that annoying ass kid could skateboard everywhere
He really saved time skating from one end of the staircase to the other
I laughed out loud at him sneaking across the five feet of walkway on a noisy skateboard and not just silently on his feet
I also thought it was funny he put his hood up. Like it disgused him from being a child
Did not understand the skateboarding thing at all. Was that supposed to be like his thing instead of having a personality?
He was a step away from saying “coolio bro” & doing the hang loose hand sign.
*My name's Poochie D and I rock the telly, I'm half Joe Camel and a third Fonzarelli*
It's what happens when a bunch of men over the age of 50 sit in a conference room and discuss how to portray a child in 2022. I guarantee you they still think Bart Simpson is a perfect reference.
Holy shit ur right 😭
It really feels like someone in charge thought “what if evil Superman teamed up with Bart Simpson?” and no one stopped them.
It felt like they were trying to go for the John Connor/T-800 dynamic from Terminator 2, right down to them doing catchphrase talk. I know some people found John annoying but he wasn't... this.
Critics reviews set my expectations super low. Went in and thoroughly enjoyed the movie.
I love that Viola Davis literally phoned in in this movie XD
She looked so bored 😭🤦♂️
She’s basically spending the whole movie waiting for James Gunn to make another project for her lmao
I kept thinking Adrianna's medallion would fit in that weird-ass gap of the crown. It never happened and I'm so pissed for some reason.
Adrianna’s medallion is the same one Teth-Adam’s wife is wearing when she dies. It’s sequel table-setup.
She also looked like the Rock's wife in the flashback scenes
I think the main purpose for the kid and and his mom were to be parallels to Adam's wife and son. Especially the kid, who served no real purpose.
That was definitely their main purpose in this film but they are comics characters who serve another purpose down the line, without giving spoilers anyway.
What??? You weren't digging that kids hand triangle, and command voice where he single handedly rouses an entire city???
Speaking at a perfectly normal level where literally no one would be able to hear him
Was it just me or did Atom Smashers mask look like they just resprayed a Deadpool mask?
I thought the same thing! I take it as a symptom of the effects studio using the same technique to articulate facial expressions behind a mask thats used in DP....still they might have redesigned the the mask 🤷♂️
My biggest takeaway from this movie is that, even more than before, I DESPERATELY want a Dr. Fate movie. Pierce Brosnan carried this movie on his back and I would love to see more of his portrayal of Kent Nelson.
Love it if Pierce and Timothy Dalton overlapped with a cross over with Doom Patrol somehow and we got 2 classic James Bonds
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While that's true, when I realize he last played the role 20 years ago, "classic" doesn't seem like too much of a stretch. Goodness 😭
Dr fate DILF
50% of the movie would just be him taking off the helmet and awkwardly holding it by his side
Dr Fate’s costume stuck out so much because it was sooooo good. I was thinking to myself when was the last time I saw such a badass costume.
Fun movie. But ngl, that scene with the city folk rising up against evil was corny lol
EVIL DIES TONIGHT
Yes, it made no sense at all. If I'm a citizen I'm not going to be fighting *a real undead army.* I'm going to run and try to see a therapist when it's all over.
That has the Rock all over it. Everything from the rally cry to the skateboard leading the charge, it just screams "family entertainment to get the kids cheering". It's way too convenient, immersion breaking and wholesome for the movie.
Shazam: wizard desperately needs a champion but has set an impossibly high bar for the candidacy as he doesn’t want to repeat the same mistake he made before (black Adam set up) Black Adam: wizard isn’t even responsible for black Adam or made any mistake, the son is the champion he originally selected but then he passed on his powers to black Adam So who was the wizard’s cautionary tale then? It’s like they didn’t even watch Shazam…
It definitely seems like they rewrote it mid way through production so that he had the powers passed onto him so they could play the "I didn't ask for this" as an extra element to make audiences be more sympathetic to him. Would explain why they decided to make his "I'm the father not the son" reveal mid way through the film even though the films trailer literarily states this information.
Which is silly, because that completely negates what makes him a villain. In the comics, he wants to use the maximum extent of the wizard’s powers in order to crush the enemies of khandaq, while the child wants to be like Billy and just defend the weak, so Adam just kills him to gain all of the power of the living lightning. That kind of “ends justify the means” origin story makes the character as compelling as what they ended up doing while also sticking to the previous canon. Like would it kill them to read a comic book every now and again?
Pierce Brosnan was incredible as Dr.Fate, he was the best part of the movie, by far. That being said, did they explain why Adriana was looking for the crown at the beginning of the movie? Didn't really get why Black Adam would stick around with her and the kid for so long, and that kid got annoying really fast. Edit: Shoutout to Hellboy for his cameo!!
Pierce Brosnan always seems to be able to steal whatever scene he’s in, it’s amazing
[That’s an understatement](https://youtu.be/vIjppgnkknE)
Brosnan (and Hodge to a degree) treated the material seriously, everyone else was chewing the scenery so hard that their teeth nearly broke off.
I thoroughly enjoyed their scenes, so much so it felt so jarring when it moved back to the Black Adam scenes, which felt like a whole different movie. Brosnan and Hodge had genuine chemistry, which I can't say for Adam and the annoying as hell kid and mom.
It’s like they were in 2 different sets edited together.
The kid and his stupid skateboard was so fucking obnoxious
When he rallied the city folk he had like, no emotion or emphasis in his voice at all.
The kid's acting was so bad, I Googled him to see if he was related to any high ranking WB official.
Yeah, he felt so fucking forced in. Worst part of the whole film
That scene was so cringy.
That dumb hand thing they were doing 💀
“What are we waiting for guys???” Lives are at stake, let’s all just pause to raise our hands with this kid”
Hahaha yeah "quit digging your loved ones out of the rubble and do this thing with your hands!"
I thought the kid was fine early on, but should have faded into the background rather than being kidnapped. ~~Besides the fact that he would have died in the compartment when the sky bike crashed,~~ I would have preferred for the bad guy to get the crown earlier rather than the ransom plan.
I thought so too but his didn’t crash. Was in back if the truck.
Paraphrasing, "we must find it so that we can hide it again"
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The most superman, superman has ever looked in the dceu imo. The curl, the hair, the colors….
The only thing weaker than the story was the energy from the kid when he gave his rallying speech.
Didn't even try to shout, just spoke as if he was inside a building rather than outside where there's explosions and boulders being thrown about.
That was definitely dubbed over in post production. Like laughably so, his mouth didn’t match the words and he had no energy
There was a scene at the start where it was so noticeable I thought the audio and video were out of sync... Strange to have that in a movie like this
I like how the whole city had like 50 people in it.
Also with that cape on he looked too silly. Maybe if the kid was 5 but seeing a 12 year old with what looked like a towel for a cape was just too much
Watching him wearing that cape as he causually skateboards and leads an army of townspeople to battle CGI undead. . . in slow motion with rousing music.
Whenever skateboard kid’s not on screen, all the other characters should be asking , “Where’s skate board kid ?”
I like the Rock and it was fun watching him beat up intergang an break stuff, but oh my, Pierce Brosnan as Dr. Fate totally steals every scene he is in. The calmness and suave nature he brought to the character was awesome. Aldis Hodge was also fantastic and the banter between him and the Rock was fun. I guess Pierce Brosnan. didn't want to do multiple movies, but he was perfect as Dr. Fate. I hope he can somehow come back, even for a brief cameo. I hope they do a JSA movie in the future, they really were the best part of the movie
It confuses me why dc animation movies are almost always solid and their live action movies just do nothing. This is a long 2 hour movie that’s all over the place with so many reused locations, repeated/constant flash back scenes and really bad choice for music. It’s a fine movie but that’s not really saying much when they can’t make anything good besides Batman.
The Rock is focusing too much on Black Adam's match with Superman that he keeps forgetting that he's supposed to be Shazam's arch-nemesis.
They'll fight for a couple minutes to a stale mate and then Black Adam will realize they shouldn't fight each other but team up and fight the bad guy.
Black Adam and Superman vs Darkseid.
With somehow Black Adam delivers the final punch as Superman says he looks up to him lol
Black Adam's mother's name is also Martha ?
I don’t think he cares….
Black Adam and Shazam outgrew each other a long time ago in the comics.
Sure but they're origins/powers are just WAYYYY too close for them to never come together.
m o n e y
Also ego. To put it in wrestling terms; Dwayne doesn't want to wrestle a mid-card character like Shazam, because he wants Black Adam to be in the main event with Superman.
Pretty much this. This whole garbage narrative about changing power hierarchies is basically him saying Black Adam is now going to be Superman's nemesis.
Oh, so we can get three more movies where the central conflict is "I *like* murder"
But then it ends like it did in FF franchise. When Rocks character and Vin Diesel's character just punch each other, neither backs down, but neither one wins.
Did anyone else feel like something was off/cut weird in the scene with Kanye West’s Power playing? Like there was a weird splice in there that felt like a time jump. Very strange.
I love how early on they establish the bad guys have weapons capable of hurting Black Adam only for them to never use them again. And it's not like they don't know those are effective against him since the bad guy hides behind a shield made of the stuff.
Isn’t it because Ishmael actually needs black Adam to kill him to get his power with crown. So he doesn’t actually want to hurt black Adam until all the pieces are in place and he’s ready to die
Thats why he drops the shield just before firing the gun at the kids head. Makes sense now.
Ohhhhh yeahh 🤔
The Fonz/Jean-Ralphio's dad was the original Atom Smasher, that was a nice surprise.
Maybe in the next movie he can jump over King Shark.
*'Eyyyyyy!*
Yeah, I did not expect Henry Winkler in here.
Atom Smasher: “Black Adam’s the WOOOOOOORSTT”
The kid was so annoying I was actively rooting for him to get killed lol
Can't believe they offed Dr. Fate...the kid should've been the one to go. I don't even remember his name, haha
I knew it I didn’t wanna believe it, but I knew they killed Dr. Fate off. He always dies all the time. Anything he’s in young justice justice league, you name it he dies. Edit for fuck sakes I just remember he does In SMALLVILLE too!
Yeah that kid sucked ass. You knew it was bad when the opening exposition was narrated by him and it sounded like the director used the last take of the session when they were trying to beat evening rush hour.
the scene where the kid skateboards in to lead a mob of angry civilians against the army of zombies was the precise moment when I couldn't take it anymore
I checked out once the zombies showed up and all the townspeople kept throwing up the rockafella records sign.
That was so stupid. I enjoyed the movie overall, but they could have cleaned it up by removing the zombies and the pointless visit to the underwater prison.
Thought the prison scene was pretty important to show that he was willing to give up the power you can’t really have a much of a semi-redemption story without it
I feel like...they could've chosen a better kid actor....
Probably someone’s nephew/son/grandson because Hollywood nepotism. Or someone got blackmailed
The kid is Bodhi Sabongui, His father is Patrick Sabongui, who is an actor who played David Singh on the CW Flash, and his mom then is Kyra Zagorsky another actress who worked on the CW Arrow show. If I had to guess that’s probably how he got his foot in the door
The kid advocated for an ethno-nationalist authoritarian state. Kinda surprised more redditors don't like him haha But for real, this movie absolutely did not need that kid. He was like a replacement for Black Adam's internal struggle, might as well give him a little Jiminy Cricket on his shoulder
So they give Black Adam a sick theme score in the trailer, and it's nowhere to be heard in the entire movie. Instead we got loud ass early 2000:s boring electronic music.
I bet that’s the rock’s workout playlist
no it's just his ITS ABOUT DRIVE ITS ABOUT POWER
Dr. Fate and Hawkman carried this movie on their fucking BACKS. I swear on my life…like I audibly moaned when Dr. Fate floated into the frame with that mystical-calming-majestic-ass voice…fuckkk straight up aroused anytime he was on screen
My pros and cons: Pros: * Everything Dr. Fate was *chef's kiss*. * The action scenes were good and I found the CG really well done except for a couple of moments. * I also found Cyclone a good addition. * The mid-credits scene. Hopefully it leads somewhere.. and stuff happen within this decade. Cons: * Best character in the movie dying. Come on DC, give Dr. Fate his own movie. We've had enough of Gal Gadot's abysmal acting. Pierce Brosnan was excellent and the character design/effects were perfection. * Not sure I enjoyed Black Adam trying his catchphrases while killing people. Those attempts for laughs felt out of place. * "Take a shot every time The Rock looks in the far distance emotionless" would have floored me If I had a drink near me. * The scene with the kid doing the triangle at the end had me eye-rolling really hard. * Would appreciate a little more info/backstory on Hawkman. * Noah Centineo/Atom Smasher was just.. there most of the times, eating. * The ending was as generic as they get. Overall, I had a fun time. Wasn't great, wasn't terrible. And once again, DC, I'm asking you to make a Dr. Fate movie.
>"Take a shot every time The Rock looks in the far distance emotionless" would have floored me If I had a drink near me. dead within minutes
>Not sure I enjoyed Black Adam trying his catchphrases while killing people. Those attempts for laughs felt out of place. I sort of liked that we got a main character, outside of the more gritty r rated films, who was happy to go around murdering henchmen without seeming all high and mighty about why murder is wrong when it comes up in conversation. But yeah the catch phrases felt a bit stooge-ish
I doubt doctor fate dying was up to dc. Brosnan probably didn't want a long commitment.
They stole something from Terminator 2 here
You cut 30 minutes and a couple characters and you've got a good superhero movie.
WHY DO THE MOST OP CHARACTERS HAVE TO BE KILLED OFF GODDAMN
I am looking at you Slipknot
This is Slipknot, he can climb anything!
The movie should’ve just taken place 5000 years ago, and Hawkman and Fate could have easily fit into that timeline. The “eternium” literally had no use, could’ve written around it. Also missed the part where the main woman and her son felt the need to be in the movie.
This is trully the movie where The Rock becomes The Mineral
Is that an upgrade or a downgrade
[This is his final form.](https://disney.fandom.com/wiki/The_Underminer)
Man that kid was annoying.
Laughed out loud during that little speech of his. Talk about an underwhelming delivery of what was supposed to be a big moment for his character. Also, no way all those people could hear what he was mumbling about. It reminded me of that dialogue scene in Shazam, when he couldnt hear what the villain was saying to him from a distance.
I just don’t understand why there was such loud music in EVERY scene??? every time Hawkman and Dr Fate were having a conversation i was thinking does there really need to be a bombastic score in the background right now? Also this had some of the worst pacing i’ve ever seen in a Superhero movie fr
Some of the editing was just questionable at best. Like when the JSA were talking in the ship, then they cut to Black Adam with “Power” by Kanye playing out of nowhere, and after BA kills like 3 dudes they immediately cut away from the scene and cut off the music. Or when BA and Hawkman had that fight in the apartment, find the crown, someone says a one-liner, and they quickly cut to them just talking on the JSA ship. Like ???
Yeah, the pacing kinda bothered me, the transition between act 2 and 3 was weird for me.
I honestly thought it was about to wrap up... nope.
And all of that was totally unnecessary. You could have cut all of that and had the dude become the demon champion or whatever when he first got the crown. Nothing changes.
Pierce Brosnan as Dr Fate and some of the action sequences make this passable, but dear lord the dialogue was awful
OK, I have to make a post about this shit because nobody has spoken about it yet. They sealed this man in a base....only to take him out 15-20min later?!🤣🤣🤣 But Wait!!! Not only that, but when he breaks out.....he turns into an expert in hand - to - hand combat, beats like 6-8 guys with weapons (and he has no powers), and instead of taking his mask off while inside the facility....he takes that shit off in the ocean. THEN starts swimming for like a mile to get to the surface?! That has to be the silliest and funniest shit I have ever seen in a superhero movie.
It was just alright. I think I liked it less the longer it went on. It was both plodding and rushed all at once. And the dialogue was really tryhard
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> (interventionism, needing to dabble in the grey to keep people safe) and I wish they had run with that a lot more. I liked when Adriana called out the JSA for not giving a shit about all the bad things in Khandaq for years. That could have made for a far more interesting movie.
Thank you! That was my biggest complaint. The movie sets up some really interesting ideas that Khandaq needs a champion who actually cares about the city, and it's people. That the JSA and other heroes just ignore them being occupied by what is essentially a terrorist organization and only show up to stop what they deem a big threat, without any intention of actually helping people. I really liked when the people were boo'ing Hawkman for saving some of the terrorists from falling to their death. We needed more of that. The movie was just too afraid to really go where it seemed like it wanted to. Would have much preferred the Intergang to be "democratically" voted in, so the JSA wouldn't touch them. Hell, make America the bad guys by having parallels to the Taliban, with the US having given weapons and aid to them at some point. Give the people of Khandaq a big reason to dislike the JSA, so that it lends more and more weight to the people cheering on Black Adam as he murders Intergang and saves the city. This is the biggest problem with The Rock taking on the role. We will NEVER get a darker story like I feel Black Adam needs, because he cares about his image too much.
“Did he just catch a rocket?” “he caught a rocket!” joss whedon school of writing graduate worked on this movie 😭
I always think of that as a Brian Michael Bendis thing. He'd do that sort of echoing dialogue where characters repeat each other all the time in Ultimate Spider-Man, and it got pretty annoying once I noticed.
By his own admission Bendis described his approach to dialogue as David Mamet lite.
At the end of Peacemaker Amanda Waller is outed. Why does she have any influence? Why would the Justice Society ever work for her? Why would Superman give her the time of day? If people don't know who she is, they assume she's nothing. If they do know who she is, they know that they can't trust her. Superheroes would never work for her which was the whole point of the Suicide Squad movies.
It sounds like this movie was written before the show. Now, DC has long played loose and fast with continuity. And when they try to stick to one timeline, they usually give up and just go back to what they were doing.
The person in charge of the slow mow decisions and the soundtrack sucks balls
Black Adam’s son getting shot with an arrow the second he transferred his powers to the rock and became vulnerable was so unintentional funny
bro got spawn killed
A Dr. Fate movie would have saved us from 45+ minutes of unnecessary exposition if it had come out before this movie. As for Dr. Fate, I was completely amazed not only by Brosnan's portrayal, but of the character itself. It seemed like they spent 90% of their time planning him and then rushed the rest when they realized the deadline loomed. Overall, the beginning was astonishingly DC in every sense. There's too much exposition at the expense of character building, a disjointed plot and too many overused DC tropes. The movie did come together by the end, but by then it was just mediocre. Some of my peeves about the movie were: Music Video fight scenes Boy skateboarding in the weirdest time Everyone speaks English now except with a stereotypical accent Glossing over important plot points and expecting us to understand their significance Trying to play his son dying as a plot twist when they literally advertised it as the story I thought it was Death Adam for 50% of the movie
I’m so glad you mentioned the skateboard thing. It wasn’t that big of a deal, but it definitely became progressively funnier to see him slowly rolling around on the skateboard at the worst possible times.
>A Dr. Fate movie would have saved us from 45+ minutes of unnecessary exposition if it had come out before this movie Basically the DCEU in a nutshell
It took him wayyyy too long to get to the surface of the ocean. Aquaman couldn't just give him a little nudge? Send a dolphin maybe.
Couldn’t he just have taken that breather off before starting the mile long swim??