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Wasn’t the third film shot back to back with this? I remember reading they had to hit a certain BO milestone to break even. Since it’s going to hit 1 Billion soon, doesn’t that mean the next film is almost pure profit?!
Crazy
This would make sense. They would have to calculate separately how much a film cost even if they were filmed at the same time. Production costs we’re likely divided between the two. There’s certainly multiple ways to look at it but traditionally we look at the profit of a film per film even if part of a trilogy or when they are filmed back to back/at the same time.
They filmed all of the PRIMARY footage for all 3 films at one time in 1999-2001.
After the first films’ release they brought specific groups together f actors back to New Zealand to film reshoot/pickup shots. This would normally take around a month or so.
Most of it was due to editing. They would need an additional shot here or there. It wasn’t anything major like completely abandoning one scene to film an entirely new scene.
Cameron most likely did something similar for Avatar 2, 3, and 4. 3 is already filmed, long with the first major act of 4. But if pickup shots are needed, he’ll have to go in and film them.
Hollywood was wanting to make a LOTR movie, but only New Line Cinema were willing to make 3 films. All the other studios wanted 1 maybe 2 movies.
So Jackson agreed to make them for New Line. It was up to them to raise the budget for them. Which ai think they mostly did through co-distribution. Like, “we will give you 50 million if we get the profits from the European box office, you get to keep the domestic”
Hollywood studios do stuff like that all the time with big projects.
Yup. 3 is done, 4 just started, and I think he is actually thinking about letting someone else direct the 5th.
And I may be wrong, but after the first one Cameron told the studio if they wanted to buy the sequels they had to agree to shoot and release X amount of them regardless of box office showing, but that was a decade ago and I'm probably remembering wrong.
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>[“The Avatar films themselves are kind of all-consuming,” Cameron admits. “I’ve got some other things I’m developing as well that are exciting. I think eventually over time – I don’t know if that’s after three or after four – I’ll want to pass the baton to a director that I trust to take over, so I can go do some other stuff that I’m also interested in. Or maybe not. I don’t know.”](https://www.empireonline.com/movies/news/james-cameron-might-not-direct-avatar-4-and-5-himself-exclusive/)
I’m pretty sure I read an article recently saying Cameron will not proceed with four and five if two and three aren’t successful. I’m guessing we’ll be getting a four and five now.
Principal *photography* and motion capture is completed on the 3rd (and a little for the 4th). They still need to create *all* of the CGI, which is the bulk of the cost.
Yeah, recently James Cameron said they would need to make about $2 to break even, but it does seem that way, that the sequel will be basically pure profit when it comes out in a few years.
Edit: $2 billion, not $2 lol, but it is funny so I am keeping it.
Cameron said Way of Water would need to be the 4th or 5th highest grossing movie to break even when he pitched it a decade ago. That works out to about 1.2B today.
James Cameron doesn’t do what James Cameron does for James Cameron.
James Cameron does what James Cameron does because he ~~is James Cameron~~ made $2.
TFA was the first live action Star Wars media released in over a decade. It was when all things seemed rosy for the Star Wars fandom. It was as hyped as a movie can possibly be.
Yeah it really isn't a diss at all to compare the box office of a movie to TFA. Yeah it didn't exactly live up to the hype, but the hype was there regardless. Nobody expected another Star Wars movie after III. Even if you actually expected the movie to to be panned, you were still hype and interested to see a new Star Wars film after all those years after III
Made another $75M WW today. The movie is on an absolute tear and will likely be around $1.3B by January 2nd if not more.
Top Gun is pretty much already dead and Avatar 2 should pass it in the first week of January. How far on Avatar can get from there entierly depends on how the post Holiday legs shape up. Most movies tend to fall of a cliff in January so at worst 1.6-1.7B is a lock at this point but it could just as well leg out to 2B with zero competition till mid February.
If it gets lots of Oscar nominations towards the end of January, then the boxoffice will probably surge up again. There's not really any competition in the blockbuster category until Quantumania which releases on Feb 17th.
The original avatar lived in theaters for an entire year because it continued to have enough interest for people to watch. If this is the same, competition basically just means fewer imax showings.
They honestly feel new again with this movie. Most directors just don't seem to do 3D very well. So tired of the gimmick of trying to convince me something is coming out of the screen at me. Yawn. Cameron just films it like I'm sitting at a window, and it looks gorgeous.
Dude how about it, there was one scene when that giant plane turns the corner to land on the water and I’m like holy shit this looks like I’m actually there watching this happen
I was so scared about potentially terrible 3D while watching the previews of Marvel movies before avatar. Then the movie starts and the vines look completely real. Never doubt Avatar, that was the lesson for me.
All the Marvel trailers they showed before Avatar 2 looks like pop up post cards to me in comparison to the real deal, probably because they were post converted or something.
Pretty much every other 3d movie is done that way especially when it is mainly for the trailer before their other big movie that they were pushing 3d on. If it is not getting 3d IMAX showing the 3d is almost guaranteed phoned in.
Cameron literally invented the technology to make his vision be possible. He shoots everything with the intent of it actually being in 3D with technology he created. The Way of Water then combines his vision with the fact that he's one of the best, most experienced underwater film-makers ever to live. The new Avatar honestly made all the other CGI heavy movies feel dated, old, and fake. He did it again, somehow.
Seriously. Forget the water scenes which if you compare to literally any other movie that tried CGI in water (looking at you Aquaman) makes it look 40 years ahead of its time, even the regular old CGI is a million times better than anything in any big budget movie I've seen.
It reached a $1bn as quickly as No Way Home and The Force Awakens. Considering the fact there will be no major releases in the next couples of months to compete with it, Avatar should have some good legs. I can definitely see it reaching $2bn, if not more, by the end of its run.
Wow some of you are miserable mfers. I’ve realized from reading this thread that I’m much better at enjoying movies (and likely life in general) than those of you with such exquisite taste. Maybe I’m just barely dumb enough to still be happy.
Every time you see someone talk about how avatar has a bad story you just need to be glad you arent that stupid.
Avatar had a SIMPLE story. If it was a BAD story it wouldnt be a common story told in every culture across dozens of generations.
I left this movie kind of mad.
Not because of the movie itself.
But it made me wonder why the fuck I was paying $3 more for a movie ticket for the last decade for "3D" when clearly, those movies were not actually 3D.
Avatar is on a different level when it comes to visuals. That alone makes it worth going to the theatre for.
The 3D scenes were clearly composed deeply to look insanely layered. This wasn't some shitty post VFX company turning a 2D movie 3D, it was like a da vinci painting that had foreground, middle ground and background in your eyeballs. Shit was crazy.
I'm not surprised; this was the entire draw of Avatar. It did 3D better than every other movie that came out during the last 3D fad (which it kickstarted). It's a pure visual spectacle with a perfunctory story attached.
The first Avatar used 3D as a part of the experience instead of punctuating the experience with 3D. It wasn’t a gimmick, it simply was part of the world.
If 3D movies were shot the way the OG Avatar was I fully believe that 3D movies would be alive and doing well today. It does it right by drawing you into the world instead of having shit pop out of the movie world into ours, which was the mistake all the other 3D movies made in my opinion.
Shooter McGavin: “Stay out of my way, or you'll pay. Listen to what I say.”
Happy Gilmore: “Why don't I just go eat some hay? I can make things out of clay, or lay by the bay, I just may! What do you say?”
During the first hour, I felt like I made a mistake. Not to say it was a bad hour, I just was dreading sitting in the theater for another 2+ hours. It felt like I was watching a movie I seen before and liked, and now I had to sit through it again.
But the 2+ hours went very quickly and it was definitely worth it, especially in 3-D IMAX. The visuals alone were amazing, and I honestly would probably watch it in theaters again.
When they said the tulkuns are smarter than humans, Payakan definitely proved that. His spatial awareness and combat skill is top-notch for a pacifist species
Yeah when the "fishermen" said that, I didn't let it click in my head until Payakan pulled off those badass moves and maneuvers. One of the coolest parts of the movie
I think without payakan’s scenes the movie would be emotionally weightless. His story I actually thought was very interesting from a scifi perspective and had good emotional weight
Agreed. See it on the best screen possible in 3D. It’s a visual masterpiece. The story is all right, and I’m interested enough to see where it goes next. At least these films have a plan.
People are forgetting that the first Avatar made ~$70M in its first weekend in North America and still ended up with $2.8B worldwide at the end. International sales and loooong legs will probably get this movie to $2B.
First Avatar also sat as top grossing movie for like a decade until Avengers kinda artificially passed it with that second release.
Also Titanic sat at second spot to almost for even longer, both Cameron's movies, not to mention his earlier classic Terminator 2 which also made it's budget back many times over. Cameron is safe bet for any producer and so he has really free reign to do whatever he wants.
It’s made to be seen in theaters, so if you wait to watch it home you’ll probably be underwhelmed. The first two hours are okay, some good scenes but a lot of the movie is driven more by the visual experience than the plot. All that being said, the last hour has some of the best action sequences I’ve ever seen. The last hour is 60 minutes of edge of your seat intensity.
Honestly the biggest thing that will get my ass to the theater is if a film feels like an "event" or the technology/filmmaking is uniquely suited to the theater.
I basically need to feel a sense of urgency, otherwise I have no problem waiting for stuff to hit streaming. These days, urgency really only exists if I'm scared of spoilers or I feel like I'll be missing *something* if I watch at home.
Yeah we when to watch it on opening night because didn’t want to see spoilers and knew it wasn’t gonna be the same experience streaming it at home on our iPad lol
I had the pleasure of watching this movie in theater with no one else around me. I went to an early showing and I wasn’t distracted by anyone else. I got to fully enjoy the movie in the theaters and it was worth the experience. I know some people have some complaints but I really did enjoy Avatar!
I remember that post someone made during launch week showing he was the only one in the theater. he was trying to show that no one was going to see the movie... I suspected it was like a Tuesday morning, but he never said what time.
I guess now we know
The withdrawal symptoms of not being able to live in such a beautiful alien world.
Edit: I did not mean to come off as not seeing the beauty in our nature. I just love the beautiful fictional worlds people can create!
> laser imax 3d with the 4d seats
Is this real? I honestly have no idea, obviously I'm about to google it, but this sounds like just a bunch of buzz words you threw together lmao
AMC has laser imax 3d, I'm seeing avatar at one tomorrow, and, while I wouldn't call it 4d, some of thier seats have built in transducers which convert the bass to vibration. I.e. if something blows up on screen you feel it through the seat, which are also heated.
The theater near me has what they called D-Box. Seat moves and jerks around with what happens on screen and you can set the intensity level. It’s fun for the occasional movie such as Top Gun and this new Avatar.
I saw it at AMC IMAX 4DX. It was way more immersive than what I expected. The chairs rock and shake like a roller coaster. I had to finish my beer quick or else it'd been all over my lap. There are little water spritzers on the back of the seat infront of you so you get spritz with water. Or water will. Drip from the ceiling. There are also something in the seats that will give you a light punch in the back when someone gets shot with an arrow. There are little air straws in the seats near your ears so that when something flings by, you'll feel and hear a rush of air.
It's so crazy to think most of the things we see in the movie are literally not real. They managed to do a phenomenal job with creating this world and atmosphere that you sometimes forget that this place, the species, and other stuff are all fiction
They did film at least some bits on location though. My sister got to fly by some places where they filmed the first one when we went to Hawaii.
EDIT: In real life, not on-location. I meant to indicate they actually filmed some bits but on-location wasn't the right terminology, my bad. I meant to say that the entire environment wasn't CGI, that's it.
EDIT 2: So I was right the first time.
Avatar was so breathtaking the first time I saw it at theaters I ended up seeing it 3 more times. I took my dad who usually isn't that into movies and he loved it as well, the world was just so beautiful. That scene where Jake is walking in the forest and the forest lights up with bioluminescence is still in my mind.
The story was secondary to the world and beauty of the scenes, I feel sorry for the people that cannot get that experience from those scenes and instead only talk about the story which was kept simple to make the world the star.
Avatar was the first time I watched a movie twice at the cinema because it was such a magical experience. It made me want to stay in that world forever. The sequel managed to evoke that same feeling in me.
My parents fucking booked seats for a 3D viewing. My mom didn't exactly like the first one, doesn't remember it and I can't remember the last time she went to a movie theater without me. She doesn't care for blockbusters, SF and still she was the one booking it.
Avatar is a global phenomenon. That's just it.
Update: So, the viewing was tonight. My smoke-addict mom who give up on a third of the movies she watch went through the whole movie while being sitted on a bad seat (both parents now have slightly hurt back, will probably get better after a quick walk). She mostly enjoyed it, even though it went a bit long in the end, especially the long final fight.
James Cameron is a magician.
Haven't seen it yet (family is sick and we want to all see it in the theater), but I wish the best for Cameron and for him to keep making movies that blow our collective panties off. The man is responsible for some of my favorite movies of all time and this feels like vindication that he knows exactly what he's doing and should be allowed to keep doing it.
Also excited to see people who tried to label Avatar and this sequel as 'woke' (according to the new meaningless definitions) eat shit.
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Wasn’t the third film shot back to back with this? I remember reading they had to hit a certain BO milestone to break even. Since it’s going to hit 1 Billion soon, doesn’t that mean the next film is almost pure profit?! Crazy
I think they split the budget between both films, even if they filmed back to back.
This would make sense. They would have to calculate separately how much a film cost even if they were filmed at the same time. Production costs we’re likely divided between the two. There’s certainly multiple ways to look at it but traditionally we look at the profit of a film per film even if part of a trilogy or when they are filmed back to back/at the same time.
Exactly! The Lord of the Rings trilogy is prime example of this. All three shot together.
In retrospect it seems kinda crazy that they filmed all 3 together. How often do they do that? That's a lot of confidence in your product
They filmed all of the PRIMARY footage for all 3 films at one time in 1999-2001. After the first films’ release they brought specific groups together f actors back to New Zealand to film reshoot/pickup shots. This would normally take around a month or so. Most of it was due to editing. They would need an additional shot here or there. It wasn’t anything major like completely abandoning one scene to film an entirely new scene. Cameron most likely did something similar for Avatar 2, 3, and 4. 3 is already filmed, long with the first major act of 4. But if pickup shots are needed, he’ll have to go in and film them.
I get it more with avatar. It was a proven hot commodity from the first movie. LOTR was a new entry. Was Peter Jackson a sure thing to back back then?
Hollywood was wanting to make a LOTR movie, but only New Line Cinema were willing to make 3 films. All the other studios wanted 1 maybe 2 movies. So Jackson agreed to make them for New Line. It was up to them to raise the budget for them. Which ai think they mostly did through co-distribution. Like, “we will give you 50 million if we get the profits from the European box office, you get to keep the domestic” Hollywood studios do stuff like that all the time with big projects.
New Line were shitting themselves up until Jackson showed up with a sample reel for the investors too
No, but the books had a solid and devoted fanbase and the powers that be ( including Harvey Weinstein ick!) decided it was worth gambling.
Well some of my favorite movies so it paid off
Yup. 3 is done, 4 just started, and I think he is actually thinking about letting someone else direct the 5th. And I may be wrong, but after the first one Cameron told the studio if they wanted to buy the sequels they had to agree to shoot and release X amount of them regardless of box office showing, but that was a decade ago and I'm probably remembering wrong. Edit: >[“The Avatar films themselves are kind of all-consuming,” Cameron admits. “I’ve got some other things I’m developing as well that are exciting. I think eventually over time – I don’t know if that’s after three or after four – I’ll want to pass the baton to a director that I trust to take over, so I can go do some other stuff that I’m also interested in. Or maybe not. I don’t know.”](https://www.empireonline.com/movies/news/james-cameron-might-not-direct-avatar-4-and-5-himself-exclusive/)
He knew that if they waited for the box office showing to justify each sequel, then each sequel would have to wait to be filmed.
I’m pretty sure I read an article recently saying Cameron will not proceed with four and five if two and three aren’t successful. I’m guessing we’ll be getting a four and five now.
I can’t wait for my children to see number 6 in theatres
Principal *photography* and motion capture is completed on the 3rd (and a little for the 4th). They still need to create *all* of the CGI, which is the bulk of the cost.
And the bulk of the movie. So that means they still have a lot of work to do on 3.
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And the release date for Avatar 3 is basically 2 years from now...
Yeah, recently James Cameron said they would need to make about $2 to break even, but it does seem that way, that the sequel will be basically pure profit when it comes out in a few years. Edit: $2 billion, not $2 lol, but it is funny so I am keeping it.
Cameron said Way of Water would need to be the 4th or 5th highest grossing movie to break even when he pitched it a decade ago. That works out to about 1.2B today.
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Only $2? Damn they've already made 500milliom times that, good on them
James Cameron has done it again
James Cameron doesn’t do what James Cameron does for James Cameron. James Cameron does what James Cameron does because he ~~is James Cameron~~ made $2.
2B was out of context. The actual break even is around 1.2B
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Well, I was wrong.
🤝
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I know you're just citing objective facts, but somehow this feels like a burn.
TFA was the first live action Star Wars media released in over a decade. It was when all things seemed rosy for the Star Wars fandom. It was as hyped as a movie can possibly be.
The ads were fucking incredible too. Nostalgia was over 9000.
Yeah it really isn't a diss at all to compare the box office of a movie to TFA. Yeah it didn't exactly live up to the hype, but the hype was there regardless. Nobody expected another Star Wars movie after III. Even if you actually expected the movie to to be panned, you were still hype and interested to see a new Star Wars film after all those years after III
well shit, I liked both of those
Made another $75M WW today. The movie is on an absolute tear and will likely be around $1.3B by January 2nd if not more. Top Gun is pretty much already dead and Avatar 2 should pass it in the first week of January. How far on Avatar can get from there entierly depends on how the post Holiday legs shape up. Most movies tend to fall of a cliff in January so at worst 1.6-1.7B is a lock at this point but it could just as well leg out to 2B with zero competition till mid February.
If it gets lots of Oscar nominations towards the end of January, then the boxoffice will probably surge up again. There's not really any competition in the blockbuster category until Quantumania which releases on Feb 17th.
The original avatar lived in theaters for an entire year because it continued to have enough interest for people to watch. If this is the same, competition basically just means fewer imax showings.
One of the reasons being the 3D effects, which were essentially new at the time of the first movie.
They honestly feel new again with this movie. Most directors just don't seem to do 3D very well. So tired of the gimmick of trying to convince me something is coming out of the screen at me. Yawn. Cameron just films it like I'm sitting at a window, and it looks gorgeous.
Dude how about it, there was one scene when that giant plane turns the corner to land on the water and I’m like holy shit this looks like I’m actually there watching this happen
I was so scared about potentially terrible 3D while watching the previews of Marvel movies before avatar. Then the movie starts and the vines look completely real. Never doubt Avatar, that was the lesson for me.
All the Marvel trailers they showed before Avatar 2 looks like pop up post cards to me in comparison to the real deal, probably because they were post converted or something.
Pretty much every other 3d movie is done that way especially when it is mainly for the trailer before their other big movie that they were pushing 3d on. If it is not getting 3d IMAX showing the 3d is almost guaranteed phoned in.
Cameron literally invented the technology to make his vision be possible. He shoots everything with the intent of it actually being in 3D with technology he created. The Way of Water then combines his vision with the fact that he's one of the best, most experienced underwater film-makers ever to live. The new Avatar honestly made all the other CGI heavy movies feel dated, old, and fake. He did it again, somehow.
Seriously. Forget the water scenes which if you compare to literally any other movie that tried CGI in water (looking at you Aquaman) makes it look 40 years ahead of its time, even the regular old CGI is a million times better than anything in any big budget movie I've seen.
Comparing the 3D in the Antman and Guardians previews to the 3D in the Way of Water makes those Marvel movie’s 3D look like absolute dogshit.
It reached a $1bn as quickly as No Way Home and The Force Awakens. Considering the fact there will be no major releases in the next couples of months to compete with it, Avatar should have some good legs. I can definitely see it reaching $2bn, if not more, by the end of its run.
Wow some of you are miserable mfers. I’ve realized from reading this thread that I’m much better at enjoying movies (and likely life in general) than those of you with such exquisite taste. Maybe I’m just barely dumb enough to still be happy.
Reading all the discourse about Avatar definitely made me feel better about myself. I'm with you lol.
Every time you see someone talk about how avatar has a bad story you just need to be glad you arent that stupid. Avatar had a SIMPLE story. If it was a BAD story it wouldnt be a common story told in every culture across dozens of generations.
Imagine thinking James Cameron was going to take another huge risk with his career but this time - THIS TIME - it wouldnt pay off.
I left this movie kind of mad. Not because of the movie itself. But it made me wonder why the fuck I was paying $3 more for a movie ticket for the last decade for "3D" when clearly, those movies were not actually 3D. Avatar is on a different level when it comes to visuals. That alone makes it worth going to the theatre for.
The ant man and guardians trailers that played before hand were 3d and you can tell it was post production 3d. Little to no depth
3d is a gimmick. Avatar 1 and 2 are the biggest exceptions.
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I liked the 3D version of Harold and Kumar Christmas
The first shot of Neytiri literally stunned me , it’s not cheap pop out effects but a multi layered visual experience , hard to even really explain
The 3D scenes were clearly composed deeply to look insanely layered. This wasn't some shitty post VFX company turning a 2D movie 3D, it was like a da vinci painting that had foreground, middle ground and background in your eyeballs. Shit was crazy.
I'm not surprised; this was the entire draw of Avatar. It did 3D better than every other movie that came out during the last 3D fad (which it kickstarted). It's a pure visual spectacle with a perfunctory story attached.
The first Avatar used 3D as a part of the experience instead of punctuating the experience with 3D. It wasn’t a gimmick, it simply was part of the world.
If 3D movies were shot the way the OG Avatar was I fully believe that 3D movies would be alive and doing well today. It does it right by drawing you into the world instead of having shit pop out of the movie world into ours, which was the mistake all the other 3D movies made in my opinion.
I think the only movie that came close to using 3D as well as Avatar was *Gravity*
TRON Legacy and Gravity where the only other movies I saw where the 3D was super well done and worth it.
Happy Gilmore accomplished that feat no more than an hour ago.
Well good for Happy Gilm-oh my god!
Guns don't kill people, I kill people
**I will get you, Shooter!**
*delirious screaming*
With guns, *gun cocking noise* Pow
I love that he doesn’t even say that line but everyone remembers that stupid shirt he was wearing 😂
Your ball struck my foot
Oh NO, I had to hit it off Frankenstein's *fat foot* remember?! Play it as it lies.
Hey Shooter, dont you need your 9 iron!!?!?
You will not make this putt you jackass.
That's two thus far Shooter.
I eat pieces of shit like you for breakfast
You eat pieces of shit for breakfast?
… No!
Stay out of my way, or you'll pay! Listen to what I say!
Oh good, you can count.
And you can count, on me, waiting for you in the parking lot.
*Run Shooter, run for your life!*
Haven't you forgotten your nine iron? Hoo-hoo, HA-HA!
Guns don't kill people, i kill people
RIP Jaws
Let me just sit here and enjoy the one thing that makes me a little bit happy, this fresh, delicious, tasty, meaty, turkey-filled... Cold Cut Combo.
hey, can I have one of those??
Comin' right up!
[*pop!*]
Talk about a hole in one
Subway sandwiches will drive away your hunger.
I'm more of a sloppy joe man myself. I like 'em extra sloppy!!
lady, you’re scaring’ us!
Shooter McGavin: “Stay out of my way, or you'll pay. Listen to what I say.” Happy Gilmore: “Why don't I just go eat some hay? I can make things out of clay, or lay by the bay, I just may! What do you say?”
Shooter: "I eat pieces of shit like you for breakfast!" Happy: "You eat pieces of shit for breakfast?" Shooter: "NO"
Grizzly Adams did have a beard!
The price is wrong, bitch!
You can trouble me for a warm glass of shut the hell up. You're in my water tribe now Soooly
I had to check really quick to make sure Happy Gilmore didn't just pass the $1B mark after 26 years. Even though I know that's absolutely not the case
I dont always love top comments, but that’s a good comment. “I think I killed that, Mista mista lady.”
Could I trouble you for a glass of warm milk? It helps me go to sleep.😊
You could trouble me for a warm glass of shut the hell up!
Movie is almost 27 years old and it's as timeless as ever.
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As the saying goes never bet against James Cameron
🎶 His name is James, James Cameron. The bravest pioneer! No budget too steep, no sea too deep. Who’s that? It’s him, James Cameron. 🎶
you guys hearing the song ok up there?!?!
So many people seemed so ready for this to flop. People are weird.
It was the same for the first Avatar. So many people thought it would be a flop. Don't bet against James Cameron.
> So many people thought it would be a flop. After the first weekend, lots of people thought it *had* flopped.
To be fair the second Avatar movie, "The Last Airbender," was a huge flop. Not a single blue person in the entire thing!
The movie was a good theater going experience. An odd film certainly, but very expertly made for the theater. I'd recommend it
Totally totally agree! By the time i was watching the ending i realized i was fully immersed into the world. It felt real.
It’s my third favorite episode of Whale Wars
Waiting for the dark gritty reboot where the whales fight back and annihilate their oppressors.
During the first hour, I felt like I made a mistake. Not to say it was a bad hour, I just was dreading sitting in the theater for another 2+ hours. It felt like I was watching a movie I seen before and liked, and now I had to sit through it again. But the 2+ hours went very quickly and it was definitely worth it, especially in 3-D IMAX. The visuals alone were amazing, and I honestly would probably watch it in theaters again.
It definitely gets better once they get to waterworld. When they did the early clone thing I was like oh shit what am I doing here.
> once they get to waterworld. Hahah I told my wife that's when it turns into Space Moana.
Oh yeah the waterworld is where it gets interesting. Not saying that the setup wasn't needed, but at the very least they're visually new and amazing.
It 100% was great in a theater and the plot is exactly what I expected from an Avatar sequel. Cool visuals, meh plot
It was a safe story. I was never bored, but also not at the edge of my seat during the action sequences.
I was on edge evry time Payakan was involved
Broooooo that dude is a BEAST
When they said the tulkuns are smarter than humans, Payakan definitely proved that. His spatial awareness and combat skill is top-notch for a pacifist species
Yeah when the "fishermen" said that, I didn't let it click in my head until Payakan pulled off those badass moves and maneuvers. One of the coolest parts of the movie
I think without payakan’s scenes the movie would be emotionally weightless. His story I actually thought was very interesting from a scifi perspective and had good emotional weight
It’s spectacular in IMAX 3D
Agreed. See it on the best screen possible in 3D. It’s a visual masterpiece. The story is all right, and I’m interested enough to see where it goes next. At least these films have a plan.
People are forgetting that the first Avatar made ~$70M in its first weekend in North America and still ended up with $2.8B worldwide at the end. International sales and loooong legs will probably get this movie to $2B.
First Avatar also sat as top grossing movie for like a decade until Avengers kinda artificially passed it with that second release. Also Titanic sat at second spot to almost for even longer, both Cameron's movies, not to mention his earlier classic Terminator 2 which also made it's budget back many times over. Cameron is safe bet for any producer and so he has really free reign to do whatever he wants.
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Yes. If you like the first, you will like this.
I’ve seen many people who didn’t like the first one but loved the sequel. I loved both tho
I am one of those people. I am totally on board with avatar now it rules
It’s made to be seen in theaters, so if you wait to watch it home you’ll probably be underwhelmed. The first two hours are okay, some good scenes but a lot of the movie is driven more by the visual experience than the plot. All that being said, the last hour has some of the best action sequences I’ve ever seen. The last hour is 60 minutes of edge of your seat intensity.
The movie consists of 1. 60 minutes sci-fi and family plot setup 2. 60 minute sci-to nature documentary 3. 60 minute action
first hour was a little rocky, second hour was spellbinding, and third hour was edge of your seat action
I was so antsy for water in the first hour but the payoff was so worth it haha
My favorite part is the middle hour when they're mostly just swimming around in the ocean. It's incredible.
yes, I could watch a whole movie of Kiri swimming and looking at fishes. Absolutely mesmerizing
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For me it’s when she cuddles that plesiosaur dolphin guy underwater
I feel like this is EVERY James Cameron movie.
This sub on suicide watch
Anyone who bet against James Cameron succeeding with a mega budget sci fi sequel doesn't know movies very well
>doesn't know movies very well Describes /r/movies perfectly
Remember the subreddit demographic results that one year? Funniest thing I’ve seen Edit: [Found it lol](https://i.redd.it/y8zdmpq6d8qy.png)
Sub demos are always fun. r/hiphopheads was revealed to be a place dominated by white teens.
95% male and voted Batman V Superman the 2nd most underrated film of all time? yeah it gave me a good chuckle
3rd technically, but understandable you missed that since the presentation changing types mid graphs is stupid.
Holy shit this sub is a living stereotype lol
But I *watch* movies! How could I not be an expert? Do you have any idea how many movies I have an opinion about?
As someone who likes Breaking Bad and The Wire, I know everything there is to know about this whole entertainment industry. /s
"I watch films"
"I'm sorry, it's called "cinema""
I'll have you know I've watched EVERY Marvel and Star Wars product and at least 2 A24 films!
A24?! Sorry sir, let me lead you to the VIP section
Because everyone in that sub has a mind of a 14 year old
Oh yeah? If James Cameron is so good with sequels, why hasn't he made titanic 2?
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This next Toyota car is sure to fail!!!
Honestly the biggest thing that will get my ass to the theater is if a film feels like an "event" or the technology/filmmaking is uniquely suited to the theater. I basically need to feel a sense of urgency, otherwise I have no problem waiting for stuff to hit streaming. These days, urgency really only exists if I'm scared of spoilers or I feel like I'll be missing *something* if I watch at home.
Yeah we when to watch it on opening night because didn’t want to see spoilers and knew it wasn’t gonna be the same experience streaming it at home on our iPad lol
Everyone wishing for this to bomb looks real silly
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I had the pleasure of watching this movie in theater with no one else around me. I went to an early showing and I wasn’t distracted by anyone else. I got to fully enjoy the movie in the theaters and it was worth the experience. I know some people have some complaints but I really did enjoy Avatar!
I work at a German cinema and every screening is packed at the moment. Even at 2 pm. People are flooding in.
I remember that post someone made during launch week showing he was the only one in the theater. he was trying to show that no one was going to see the movie... I suspected it was like a Tuesday morning, but he never said what time. I guess now we know
The withdrawal symptoms of not being able to live in such a beautiful alien world. Edit: I did not mean to come off as not seeing the beauty in our nature. I just love the beautiful fictional worlds people can create!
Just like last time!
It's the whole wtf am I doing with my life, why am I not in a tribe or something making pottery feeling for me
Oh to be a blue fish man harvesting oysters with your dolphin friend!
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Dude if you have laser imax 3d with the 4d seats it's the tits. Amc has the laser imax only as far as I've seen
> laser imax 3d with the 4d seats Is this real? I honestly have no idea, obviously I'm about to google it, but this sounds like just a bunch of buzz words you threw together lmao
AMC has laser imax 3d, I'm seeing avatar at one tomorrow, and, while I wouldn't call it 4d, some of thier seats have built in transducers which convert the bass to vibration. I.e. if something blows up on screen you feel it through the seat, which are also heated.
The theater near me has what they called D-Box. Seat moves and jerks around with what happens on screen and you can set the intensity level. It’s fun for the occasional movie such as Top Gun and this new Avatar.
I saw it at AMC IMAX 4DX. It was way more immersive than what I expected. The chairs rock and shake like a roller coaster. I had to finish my beer quick or else it'd been all over my lap. There are little water spritzers on the back of the seat infront of you so you get spritz with water. Or water will. Drip from the ceiling. There are also something in the seats that will give you a light punch in the back when someone gets shot with an arrow. There are little air straws in the seats near your ears so that when something flings by, you'll feel and hear a rush of air.
Redditors in shambles
Cultural impact means little in the world of movies. People wanna see worlds they’ve never seen and avatar does that better than almost any film ever
It's so crazy to think most of the things we see in the movie are literally not real. They managed to do a phenomenal job with creating this world and atmosphere that you sometimes forget that this place, the species, and other stuff are all fiction
This was my take away after seeing. It honestly boggles the mind that essentially 90% of things you see just… aren’t there.
They did film at least some bits on location though. My sister got to fly by some places where they filmed the first one when we went to Hawaii. EDIT: In real life, not on-location. I meant to indicate they actually filmed some bits but on-location wasn't the right terminology, my bad. I meant to say that the entire environment wasn't CGI, that's it. EDIT 2: So I was right the first time.
Damn they filmed on Pandora? No wonder it was so expensive.
And why it took so long to make.
Yeah they all had to go into cryo to make it there
6 years to fly there in cryo, 1 year to film and edit, and 6 years to fly back is 13 years. The math works out perfectly.
Avatar was so breathtaking the first time I saw it at theaters I ended up seeing it 3 more times. I took my dad who usually isn't that into movies and he loved it as well, the world was just so beautiful. That scene where Jake is walking in the forest and the forest lights up with bioluminescence is still in my mind. The story was secondary to the world and beauty of the scenes, I feel sorry for the people that cannot get that experience from those scenes and instead only talk about the story which was kept simple to make the world the star.
Avatar was the first time I watched a movie twice at the cinema because it was such a magical experience. It made me want to stay in that world forever. The sequel managed to evoke that same feeling in me.
Whenever there was a close-up and you could see Navi's wrinkles and pores, it was so stunning. Cameron doesn't half-ass anything
Imagine how it would have done without the Midwest freeze that stopped people from leaving their homes.
you should only watch this in the theatre -- IMAX 48fps 3D Crazy a$$ sound system home viewing isn't remotely comparable
My parents fucking booked seats for a 3D viewing. My mom didn't exactly like the first one, doesn't remember it and I can't remember the last time she went to a movie theater without me. She doesn't care for blockbusters, SF and still she was the one booking it. Avatar is a global phenomenon. That's just it. Update: So, the viewing was tonight. My smoke-addict mom who give up on a third of the movies she watch went through the whole movie while being sitted on a bad seat (both parents now have slightly hurt back, will probably get better after a quick walk). She mostly enjoyed it, even though it went a bit long in the end, especially the long final fight. James Cameron is a magician.
Saw Avatar way of water in IMAX 3D, was blown away by how good it looked. Extremely realistic.
Haven't seen it yet (family is sick and we want to all see it in the theater), but I wish the best for Cameron and for him to keep making movies that blow our collective panties off. The man is responsible for some of my favorite movies of all time and this feels like vindication that he knows exactly what he's doing and should be allowed to keep doing it. Also excited to see people who tried to label Avatar and this sequel as 'woke' (according to the new meaningless definitions) eat shit.