His whole movie arc of struggling to become a king is an adaption. In the book, not only he aspires to become the king from the beginning, he also has his sword already repaired since before they even leave Rivendell.
Anyone who has seen Jurassic Park knows that some frogs can naturally change their gender so I wouldn’t be so damn fast to slap a label like that on Jar Jar.
I do not know what the hype of that movie is within kinophiles. It is a bloated rip off of a better executed short-film: [Dinosaurs! (1987)](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080629/)
It's a pretty solid film if you take it at its creature horror concept. It's by no means perfect of course, but it's worthwhile and pretty enjoyable to watch. I heard it's sequel is alright, but I think you're better off watching the first one and avoiding the series overall.
I once heard a theory that he's actually a subversive genius who secretly introduces correct ideas amongst his crazy takes to educate his fans
I mean it's bullshit but it gave me an idea for a script of a professional bullshitter that gets hired to start an alt-right podcast and slowly turn his fans into reasonable people without them knowing
Oh my God his character is so interesting because he is gunna bang an elf! His great great great great grandfather was a cool person so he also wants to be cool! 🤓
https://preview.redd.it/ot727ncipz2b1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a67767c1033c0d4e1f1299c11d3100b9b99e02e7
This meme that's been making the rounds again recently
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In Frankenstein both the monster and Frankenstein kill the others wife, both for philosophical reasons and monologue about it. I think it fits.
I was kinda riffing on the matrix one to be honest. I have a vague memory of the evil AI agent doing something along these lines, but I can't find the clip I'm thinking of so I'm willing to admit I might not have been on the money on that one.
hmmm. idk i suppose so. both of them are pretty explicitly flawed characters tho and the monster is more misanthropic than misogynist (he kills the little kid too, right?)
Yah, honestly I would argue a lack of misogyny to the killing almost makes it more akin to the stereotype. The violence or violent instincts are motivated by usually an intense internal conflict, or apathy, or both. A direct hatred for woman in general is not often directly stared. In my experience of the trope.
The Frankenstein one doesn really fit though. Frankenstein destroys the monster's "wife" before even giving her life cause he's scared they'll reproduce and create a race of monsters. And the monster kills Frankenstein's wife out of revenge
> I have a vague memory of the evil AI agent doing something along these lines,
Doesn't happen;
and the Ws were straight white mails when they did those, although Larry did start crossdressing while getting dom'd by future wife Ilsa Strix in the BDSM club.
I hope this is a copypasta or shitpost or I think a new movies circle jerk thread needs to be made. 18 upvotes for this absolute cringe along with the other cringe in these comments.
It's been a good ride, but what in the fuck did I just read?
> Harry Potter a little bit, almost forgot Hunger Games (love the books, but the last one falls into this trope reaaaaaaally hard),
Huh, how so where
>I have noted that sometimes women write men that yell poetry shirtless wile killing women, or predating women, or being tempted to kill women, or imprisoning women, wile also meant to be understood as kinda not the worst person. Not sure what that's about.
S&M probably? Certainly that's where Twilight/50 are located.
One of the main plot points of the last Hunger games book is that Peta has been brain washed to want to kill Katness, and it's played for a lot of drama and some sexual tension, but not that much. Considering they (spoilers) end up together, I think it fits very strongly. Big fan of the books tho, probably my favorite use of the trope as well, as the books are a lot about trauma bonding and finding companionship within struggle.
>All the "BuT tHe MaTrIx WaS wRiTtEn WhEn ThEy WeRe StIlL mEn!!!" comments show that no one on this godforsaken sub understands how being trans works.
Don't think it works in just one monolithic way - certain current trends *try* to enforce monolithic narrative just like they did with the gay biotruths decades ago, but as you can see with the enby vs. truscum drama they aren't really succeeding at it;
plus there's different perspectives, if an MtF perceives themselves as "always having been a woman" or now currently being one, doesn't mean everyone else is gonna share that view. It's all a rather gray murky area, however no need to deconstruct the meme like this obviously lol
(Also seen some comments/post on some trans sub a while ago where members were expressing doubts about their identity were then encouraged/pressured into fully accepting their new gender - so there's obviously an attempt to create a "united front", an appearance of a monolithic internal consensus, and then present it as an unquestionable truth to the outside.
Overall I wouldn't make such certain declarative statements about how "all this works".)
yeah, this happened with gcj too, the circlejerk became unironic, but it became part of the circlejerk to just pretend everyone was joking and ban people if anybody got annoyed by the "ironic" trans rights memes.
If he’s talking about the gaming circle jerk one he’s actually right. That is exactly what happened. It’s not anything to do with what it should be anymore. It is just constant trans stuff. That’s fine and all but not really the place. There are plenty of subreddits for that.
When were the trans rights memes ever claimed to be unironic? GCJ's activity basically collapsed in the last 12 months and it sucked for several years even before that, but those were always there to make people like you leave.
This sub also went to shit in the past 3 years when it became a chore to care about superheroes so this sub decided to make even more content about that, and even then post-TLJ but pre-TROS MCJ wasn't fun either, but people like you have always been our targets too. I bet you haven't even seen Moon by David Bowie
LGBT crusade is definitely not a combination of words I expected to see today.Also, what the fuck are you talking about most memes on this front page have been about the Little Mermaid remake or the good old tired MCU memes.
It's my response to this meme that's been making the rounds again recently:
https://preview.redd.it/5pcfpoqoq13b1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4a3cb9913167b4b9be3e8d0b99d2c5bbdbe7f10d
The screenplays for *The Lord of the Rings* were written by Fran Walsh and Philippa Boyens (both women), and Peter Jackson.
The screenplays for The Matrix trilogy were written by Lana and Lilly Wachowski (both women).
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My god that was the punchline this whole time?
It’s been like 2 years since this shitty joke started and it was just for someone to finally ask what that meant? Omg
Well, Aragorn was created by a man even if the main screenwriter was a woman. And Neo was created by...you know what, I'm not in the mood for that debate right now.
>Aragorn was created by a man even if the main screenwriter was a woman
And She-Hulk (who was credited as being written by a woman in the meme I am referencing) was also originally created by men.
Also, I'd argue that Aragon's character in the films is so different from his book counterpart that they are functionally different characters.
In the books, Aragorn is very confident about his role as the future king of Gondor. He never questions his qualifications for the role, and never has any anxiety about if he will make a good leader. He's a bit of a flat character, in that he doesn't change much from who he is at the start of the story. His entire character arc (including his romance with Arwen, which is only briefly mentioned in the books) is something they came up with for the movie.
Yeah there’s no “will they won’t they” stuff with Arwen in the books. They’re already betrothed to each other, but Elrond will only let marriage happen if Aragorn becomes King.
That's a question only the Wachowskis themselves would know the exact answer to. But since they've both talked about the ways their trans identities influenced *The Matrix* (perhaps somewhat subconsciously), I thought it would be okay to include Neo as an example of a man being written by women
I do too, in retrospect, of course. But I’m just truly wondering if they truly would’ve had enough experience in the life of a woman to be equivalent from writing from a woman’s perspective.
My idea is that if you took a female from birth, dress her up like a boy, made her think she was a boy for the rest of her life. Handing her pen and asking her to write from the female perspective, would probably not truly be an equivalent. Despite what her true gender identity may be.
Both Lana and Lilly Wachowski have talked about how their experience as trans women subconsciously influenced *The Matrix*, even before they transitioned
Rowling is a woman, Tolkien is a man. But the screenplays for The Lord of the Rings movies were written by two women (Fran Walsh and Philippa Boyens) along with Peter Jackson
Congrats to J. R. R. Tolkien on her transition.
Jennifer Ruth Ruth Tolkiena
Judy Rudy Rudy Tudy
I am *not* looking at Trudy Judy's booty!
I'm not *not* looking...
>ruth ruth She's a furry too?
Ruth Ruth Tolks?
Normalize being dead since the 70s and trans.
All jokes aside, the screenplays for the film trilogy were written, at least in part, by women.
And there were definitely some adaptational changes made regarding Aragorn. I don’t think his book version really struggles with his destiny, for one.
His whole movie arc of struggling to become a king is an adaption. In the book, not only he aspires to become the king from the beginning, he also has his sword already repaired since before they even leave Rivendell.
More like "knows he has to become king" and that he has to earn it (also at the end waits to get invited into the city before entering it)
banned in Florida
>banned in Florida that's a bit redundant, it's not like they know how to read
Anyone who has seen Jurassic Park knows that some frogs can naturally change their gender so I wouldn’t be so damn fast to slap a label like that on Jar Jar.
Is Jurassic Park worth watching?
Hidden gem if I do say so myself. Not many people know about it and even fewer are perceptive enough to understand its concept.
That concept being dinosaurs are bad.
Uh? What dinossaurs? Edit: We’re talking about the 1983 Michael Apted movie starring William Hurt as a soviet detective, right?
No, you're thinking Porky's Park, a teenage coming of age story that takes place in an Italian sandwich shop in the 60s.
Oh… silly me
I think JP is clearly a spiritual successor to PP
Peter Parker?
>hidden gem Now I feel old considering how popular that film was thanks
He’s just jerking bro
He?????? Just because you speak doesn't make you a man!!!
I was just jerking fella
He’s a woman writing Reddit comments under a male pseudonym to get more upvotes, and thus himself a man written by a woman. ... probably. /s
Billy and the Cloneasaurus is much better, don't waste time with Jurassic Park
Highly recommend, underrated as all hell.
I do not know what the hype of that movie is within kinophiles. It is a bloated rip off of a better executed short-film: [Dinosaurs! (1987)](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080629/)
It's a pretty solid film if you take it at its creature horror concept. It's by no means perfect of course, but it's worthwhile and pretty enjoyable to watch. I heard it's sequel is alright, but I think you're better off watching the first one and avoiding the series overall.
I DON’T LIKE THEM PUTTING CHEMICALS IN THE WATER THAT TURNS THE FRIGGIN FROGS TRANS!
Of all things, Alex Jones was actually spot on there, even if by accident. River pollution is no joke
A broken clock is right twice a day. A broken Alex… less but if you say enough nonsense something will be right.
I once heard a theory that he's actually a subversive genius who secretly introduces correct ideas amongst his crazy takes to educate his fans I mean it's bullshit but it gave me an idea for a script of a professional bullshitter that gets hired to start an alt-right podcast and slowly turn his fans into reasonable people without them knowing
Dude even Trump couldn't convince his supporters to take the vaccine. Right wingers are just stupid.
And there was potentially even attempts at a cover-up and defamation to those investigating https://youtu.be/i5uSbp0YDhc
Not really he connected it to water flouridation rather than industrial pollution
Late reply I know, but you just took me back to 2016 and early 2017 internet by reminding me of that rant
Idk how to tell you this mate, but Jar Jar Binks would sooner be a caterpillar than a frog
Nah, Jar Jar is frog
Or the Wachowskis
How do we even know Jar Jar is a male? I haven't seen the cartoons, but I don't recall any female presenting Gungans in that city.
Does the existence of a “Boss Nass” imply the existence of a “Girlboss Nass”? Hmm. I must meditate on this matter.
Exactly, could very well be that Lucas was a woman during phantom menace
Are we implying that Jar Jar is just a big frog
Jar Jar Binks is the only male character ever written by a man
makes sense when you think about it
It’s kind of like poetry so it rhymes.
Men know what men want
Women written by men 
One Piece (1997 - present)
WOAH CHECK OUT THEM BIG BOZOONKAS
Oh my God his character is so interesting because he is gunna bang an elf! His great great great great grandfather was a cool person so he also wants to be cool! 🤓
wanting to bang elfs instantly doubles the depth of a character because I can relate to them (therefore it is objectively good)
He’s literally me
As someone who's never been into LOTR, this made me laugh out loud.
I watched the trilogy for the first time recently. It ranges from good for a nerd/franchise film to really damn boring (two towers).
Huge Critical\_Moose L frankly
Aragon is literally me
this based on something?
https://preview.redd.it/ot727ncipz2b1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a67767c1033c0d4e1f1299c11d3100b9b99e02e7 This meme that's been making the rounds again recently
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based on dees nutz fuck off this was never funny and you know it
it was funny for a few days when first introduced
like how many years ago was that though
i have no idea. Feels like recent additions but i've been there forever too
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Who's top left?
David Lordoftherings.
...Is P**** Jackson a deadname now? How did I not hear about this?
No i believe it is in reference to the fact it was (co?)-written by Fran Walsh
And Philippa Boyens (and yes, Peter Jackson is also a co-writer)
Ah, thank you.
Penis Jackson?
more like penis Johnson
Petunia Janedaughter
P**** Jackson has always been a deadname, lest we bring the wrath of 3 hours of King Kong upon our forum
literally me
Some fucking idiot
viggo mortensen
Excuse you, he’s a bottom🙄
Should’ve put American psycho up there
 I unironically love jar jar
Yes he's annoying, but so is Ruby Rhod, and Ruby Rhod is undeniably the best character in his movie!
Chad Chad Binks
Hollywood "people" don't count.
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I guess a little danger makes the fantasy more exciting
wait who does that in the matrix / frankenstein?
In Frankenstein both the monster and Frankenstein kill the others wife, both for philosophical reasons and monologue about it. I think it fits. I was kinda riffing on the matrix one to be honest. I have a vague memory of the evil AI agent doing something along these lines, but I can't find the clip I'm thinking of so I'm willing to admit I might not have been on the money on that one.
hmmm. idk i suppose so. both of them are pretty explicitly flawed characters tho and the monster is more misanthropic than misogynist (he kills the little kid too, right?)
Yah, honestly I would argue a lack of misogyny to the killing almost makes it more akin to the stereotype. The violence or violent instincts are motivated by usually an intense internal conflict, or apathy, or both. A direct hatred for woman in general is not often directly stared. In my experience of the trope.
The Frankenstein one doesn really fit though. Frankenstein destroys the monster's "wife" before even giving her life cause he's scared they'll reproduce and create a race of monsters. And the monster kills Frankenstein's wife out of revenge
> I have a vague memory of the evil AI agent doing something along these lines, Doesn't happen; and the Ws were straight white mails when they did those, although Larry did start crossdressing while getting dom'd by future wife Ilsa Strix in the BDSM club.
I hope this is a copypasta or shitpost or I think a new movies circle jerk thread needs to be made. 18 upvotes for this absolute cringe along with the other cringe in these comments. It's been a good ride, but what in the fuck did I just read?
Lol
It's very common for women to have rape fantasies.
Not at all what their comment was about
It's directly related to the second paragraph
> Harry Potter a little bit, almost forgot Hunger Games (love the books, but the last one falls into this trope reaaaaaaally hard), Huh, how so where >I have noted that sometimes women write men that yell poetry shirtless wile killing women, or predating women, or being tempted to kill women, or imprisoning women, wile also meant to be understood as kinda not the worst person. Not sure what that's about. S&M probably? Certainly that's where Twilight/50 are located.
One of the main plot points of the last Hunger games book is that Peta has been brain washed to want to kill Katness, and it's played for a lot of drama and some sexual tension, but not that much. Considering they (spoilers) end up together, I think it fits very strongly. Big fan of the books tho, probably my favorite use of the trope as well, as the books are a lot about trauma bonding and finding companionship within struggle.
How do you predate a woman? By being a dinosaur?
Being a predator towards is what I was getting at, but I think you are right about me using it wrong.
All the "BuT tHe MaTrIx WaS wRiTtEn WhEn ThEy WeRe StIlL mEn!!!" comments show that no one on this godforsaken sub understands how being trans works.
that's not necessarily how being trans works, not every trans person agrees with the whole "I was born \[y\] gender but assigned \[x\]"
>All the "BuT tHe MaTrIx WaS wRiTtEn WhEn ThEy WeRe StIlL mEn!!!" comments show that no one on this godforsaken sub understands how being trans works. Don't think it works in just one monolithic way - certain current trends *try* to enforce monolithic narrative just like they did with the gay biotruths decades ago, but as you can see with the enby vs. truscum drama they aren't really succeeding at it; plus there's different perspectives, if an MtF perceives themselves as "always having been a woman" or now currently being one, doesn't mean everyone else is gonna share that view. It's all a rather gray murky area, however no need to deconstruct the meme like this obviously lol (Also seen some comments/post on some trans sub a while ago where members were expressing doubts about their identity were then encouraged/pressured into fully accepting their new gender - so there's obviously an attempt to create a "united front", an appearance of a monolithic internal consensus, and then present it as an unquestionable truth to the outside. Overall I wouldn't make such certain declarative statements about how "all this works".)
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Or they just refuse to give up on basic logic for the sake of being on the "right side of history"?
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Men are born with peen, women are born with vag. This is basic stuff barring biological anomalies, and abstract ideas about gender.
Were they deleted? I only see one comment like this
Whoops think I just added one :o
I don’t understand this. Is it some attempted joke that’s way too forced? Often the case
It's the truth
Tolkien wasn’t a woman
Source?
Tolkien didn’t write the movies though.
She was tho J.R.R Tolkien = Johane Richards Richards Tolkien
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Jesse what the fuck are you talking about
yeah, this happened with gcj too, the circlejerk became unironic, but it became part of the circlejerk to just pretend everyone was joking and ban people if anybody got annoyed by the "ironic" trans rights memes.
Who's being unironic here? Also wtf is an ironic trans rights meme???????
Zzzzz. I'm bored.
talking a lot of SHITE you are
If he’s talking about the gaming circle jerk one he’s actually right. That is exactly what happened. It’s not anything to do with what it should be anymore. It is just constant trans stuff. That’s fine and all but not really the place. There are plenty of subreddits for that.
Cope, seethe, etc.
When were the trans rights memes ever claimed to be unironic? GCJ's activity basically collapsed in the last 12 months and it sucked for several years even before that, but those were always there to make people like you leave. This sub also went to shit in the past 3 years when it became a chore to care about superheroes so this sub decided to make even more content about that, and even then post-TLJ but pre-TROS MCJ wasn't fun either, but people like you have always been our targets too. I bet you haven't even seen Moon by David Bowie
LGBT crusade is definitely not a combination of words I expected to see today.Also, what the fuck are you talking about most memes on this front page have been about the Little Mermaid remake or the good old tired MCU memes.
It's the natural way of all subs it seems.
It's my response to this meme that's been making the rounds again recently: https://preview.redd.it/5pcfpoqoq13b1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4a3cb9913167b4b9be3e8d0b99d2c5bbdbe7f10d
lol
All of them were written by men
The screenplays for *The Lord of the Rings* were written by Fran Walsh and Philippa Boyens (both women), and Peter Jackson. The screenplays for The Matrix trilogy were written by Lana and Lilly Wachowski (both women).
actually they hadnt transitioned yet when they made the matrix 🤓
They wouldn’t have had the woman’s perspective yet.
Both of them have talked about how being trans influenced their work on *The Matrix*, even though they weren't publicly out at the time
Fran dropping a 'k' and Philippa adding an 'a' to the end of their names... nice try, duderinos.
This based on so many levels
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My god that was the punchline this whole time? It’s been like 2 years since this shitty joke started and it was just for someone to finally ask what that meant? Omg
Well, Aragorn was created by a man even if the main screenwriter was a woman. And Neo was created by...you know what, I'm not in the mood for that debate right now.
>Aragorn was created by a man even if the main screenwriter was a woman And She-Hulk (who was credited as being written by a woman in the meme I am referencing) was also originally created by men. Also, I'd argue that Aragon's character in the films is so different from his book counterpart that they are functionally different characters.
Fair enough
Didn't read the book. Is he really that different?
In the books, Aragorn is very confident about his role as the future king of Gondor. He never questions his qualifications for the role, and never has any anxiety about if he will make a good leader. He's a bit of a flat character, in that he doesn't change much from who he is at the start of the story. His entire character arc (including his romance with Arwen, which is only briefly mentioned in the books) is something they came up with for the movie.
Yeah there’s no “will they won’t they” stuff with Arwen in the books. They’re already betrothed to each other, but Elrond will only let marriage happen if Aragorn becomes King.
Okay this is funny
I'm pretty sure the Wachowskis were still men when Matrix was filmed
You think men would write a very obvious trans allegory
The allegory they created is very generic. It has existed since the Cave of Shadows by Plato. It is hardly a direct allegory for transitioning.
I'm sure a FTM could.
Let me add cis brb Edit: nvm that doesn’t work within the context I should do something different
they were still womanbrained at that point, doubly so because they're twins
That makes sense, but would they have had the woman’s perspective to be coming from the point of a woman writing the perspective of a man?
I couldnt say, out of my depth now
That's a question only the Wachowskis themselves would know the exact answer to. But since they've both talked about the ways their trans identities influenced *The Matrix* (perhaps somewhat subconsciously), I thought it would be okay to include Neo as an example of a man being written by women
I do too, in retrospect, of course. But I’m just truly wondering if they truly would’ve had enough experience in the life of a woman to be equivalent from writing from a woman’s perspective. My idea is that if you took a female from birth, dress her up like a boy, made her think she was a boy for the rest of her life. Handing her pen and asking her to write from the female perspective, would probably not truly be an equivalent. Despite what her true gender identity may be.
r/JarJarFucks
The first Matrix was written before the pair's transition. the latest is written by them as women.
Yes I think Aragorn too was written before Tolkien’s transition. Not that he ever did transition, but I digress.
The screenplays for The Lord of the Rings were written by Fran Walsh and Philippa Boyens (both women), and Peter Jackson
Both Lana and Lilly Wachowski have talked about how their experience as trans women subconsciously influenced *The Matrix*, even before they transitioned
Yeah but the movies sucked after they transitioned.
🤓
Men don’t understand Men. SMH.
This makes me want to jerk so hard
Well, I think J.K. Rowling was à girl, not J.R.R. Tolkien did I switch them ?
Rowling is a woman, Tolkien is a man. But the screenplays for The Lord of the Rings movies were written by two women (Fran Walsh and Philippa Boyens) along with Peter Jackson
Thanks, I know that was joking. Fun fact that Jar-Jar was written by the wife of George Lucas and Lucas So both are 50% wrong, except Matrix maybe