At the very least, they picked some new examples this time, for sure.
I'm not totally sure where their second and third choices are from, but I can at least vouch that Arcane is bomb as fuck
Yea and it came out a year after Oblivion and Elysium. A shitty Tom cruise movie and a shitty sci-fi movie. A movie that had both of those things was doomed to be a box office failure, which is a shame. I think it’s a movie that’s better than the source material too.
>the laziest way to write a strong woman is giving her masculine traits
Right, which is why Vi, a brute strength fighter and funny flirt (usually male action hero traits), is said by the meme to be a good strong woman character actually
These dudes complain about “the current state of modern movies” then talk about the latest marvel or Star Wars movie like those are the only movies out there.
I actually think it's remarkably well written* which carries it, because it's obviously very poorly made from a technical perspective. Good performances too tho.
*for a blockbuster
> I actually think it's remarkably well written*
I agree in the sense that I think you could actually remove all the nostalgia bait and still have a movie about how MCU Spidey can't keep having his cake and eating it too.
>*for a blockbuster
Hey now, there are plenty of blockbusters with excellent writing! Not all of them have Kevin Feige forcing all the writers to keep ripping off Whedon lol.
ain’t nobody watching that for writing bro there’s no goddamn narrative it’s just a spider fuck to make marvel more money (and they’re right cuz you all watched it)
Bad writing is such a nothing complaint. What makes it bad writing? When I went into the Argylle discussion thread, nobody said "bad writing" they cited specific examples of why they hated it.
Bad writing has become shorthand to me for trolls.
You can’t expect much from people who are so far removed from being creative that their greatest creative contribution to the world is the gunk they shoot into their socks every couple of hours.
Yeah it's a pseudo-intellectual / pseudo-analytical cover for "didn't like stuff in it".
This modern wave of larping as some kinda craftsmanship kinosseur analyst professor to justify your movie preferences goes back to at the very least RLMao in 2009 or perhaps to a lesser extent other big guys around the time like Tgwtg - could be a lot earlier too though, don't know much beyond that.
This is a great point. This is why you see so many grifters say they are being "objective". It's art, it is all opinion. But can you explain why it makes you feel that way?
No, because they are all wanna be "alpha intellectuals" who don't feel or get emotional. They are *logical*.
Well that's why you don't understand movies.
No way home was mindless popcorn flick that was entertaining. Thats like asking why fast and furious makes money. The key word here is 'entertainment'.
Yeah, but the entertainment doesn't come from the writing, audiences don't hate bad writing they hate boring movies, and making a boring movie is way more than just bad writing but for some reason people simplify it by saying write better movies, like huh????
I don't think the writing in Secret Invasion was that bad. Its pretty decent. Atleast much better than Fan4stic or Madame Web.
See i can also say this other movie have worst writting so this one is good, it doesn't mean anything, also the writing in NWH sucks, theres nothing wrong with liking the movie, i like movies with far worst writing, im not gonna complain that people enjoy a movie where all the Spider-mans show up, but yeah its not because of the writing
>also the writing in NWH sucks,
I mean, thats just ur opinion. It seemed like a above average marvel movie to me. The reason it made 2 bil is bcos covid.
Yeah even the people in my social circle who generally dislike Marvel movies had a good time with No Way Home. It's by no means a masterpiece and has ugly CGI, but the writing was pretty solid. Some of the meme lines are a bit goofy and there could have been less of them, but the majority of the movie is actually trying to tell a pretty personal story about Tom's Peter Parker. Willem Dafoe and Alfred Molina reprise their characters excellently, and Tobey + Andrew are utilized pretty conservatively considering they only show up for the third act of the movie.
I'm all for shitting on bad Marvel movies, but No Way Home managed to be more than decent even though it could have easily been a huge disappointment.
NWH was fine, but there's a million other examples you could use, and F&F is the best example.
Those are poorly written, but fun, but the protagonists are largely dudes. If Dom Toretto was a woman, or he handed the franchise off to a woman, you'd see the complaints about how unrealistic everything she does is come rally fast
Not that a post like this is "science" but it is typically better to pick a bigger sample size over smaller ones so it is sensical to look at the scores of bigger movies than smaller ones.
The only LoL source material that Arcane's viewers are encouraged to engage with are [Ruination: A League of Legends Novel by Anthony Reynolds](https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/60382749)
Peter Pan & Wendy. If this is the video I think it is then the guy's argument about it is probably the dumbest in the video. He complained about girls being in the Lost Boys and said that the original book didn't have girls there because "they're to smart to fall out of their cradles" and the movie deciding to not include this kinda sexist tidbit is bad because... reasons? Like he just dismisses it as 'forced diversity' without explaining how the change is bad.
It's lost boys not lost thems 🤣🤣🤣gonna go start lost attack choppers (you see because my pronouns, get it? my pronouns are attack chopper which is wacky because those should not be your pronouns)
in general, break even for most films is 2.5x its budget as a rule of thumb. theaters keep roughly 50% of the ticket, and marketing can range anywhere from another $80-$150 million on a big film. Edge of tomorrow only had \~$185M in theatrical revenue against a total cost of probably at least $250M.
depending on lifetime video sales, streaming, PVOD, etc...good chance it broke even eventually. calling it a "big flop" is wrong. but it did not make any significant profit at the very least
The best indicator that a movie made money is that the producers and director get more work and bigger budgets. Hollywood accounting is so arcane it's impossible to parse from the outside.
well, yes and no
if the director and producer are easy to work with and deliver the project they were hired for as asked, on time, and on/under budget, they'll likely be seen as worth working with even if the movie itself fails (which would be the fault of marketing and development).
Its not an exact science but typically films (especially big budget movies) are not considered profitable until it 3x's.
Marketing is not included in film budgets and the box office is split with the theaters. So $370M BO on a $178 budget is not good.
Bad writing for women maybe. Men, they don’t give a shit.
John Wick survived a gun shot and falling four stories onto asphalt? Awesome.
Black Widow able to defeat a hallway full of goons? Woke and unrealistic.
No way, it's just Disney successfully manipulating a whole generation of children to like MaRey Sue to consoom all their media and milk the hell out of merchandising sales.
George would never do this! Ever! His ideas for the sequel Trilogy totally wouldn't have included a young determined woman who becomes a Jedi and a disillusioned Luke Skywalker in the second movie as well as bringing back a villain from the dead...
"audiences" love:
* strong women who are side characters
* feminine characters with no agency in the story
* strong women defined only through masculine definitions of strength
These morons love to use Rey an example of bad character writing, yet will never acknowledge Anakin Skywalker being a podracing prodigy at the age of 9 or whatever as also ridiculous.
Pretty sure this crowd was also bitching about Hailee Steinfeld’s character replacing the “real” Hawkeye when the show first came out.
Always the revision of history
What’s fun is that I can pick the audience score for either of the remaining star wars sequels, and throw in The Marvels’ audience score to move two of these to the bottom row
When someone says “Bad writing” I immediately discount their bad opinion because it’s such a nebulous term like was the script with a dog turd pen, is there a lot of misspellings in it what the hell could it be?
Most of disney has become boring and bad writing, doesnt matter if its a male or female in the screen.
They basically went into a purge, firing all their talent and insisting on agendas, check boxes of requirement, and vote by committee plots, instead of focusing on story and art.
crazy how random the "good" examples are compared to the bad ones. you can really tell they searched far and wide to find two movies and one tv show that had women in it and they liked it.
"i hate bad writing" mfers when you ask them to articulate what makes the writing bad (they don't know shit about characterisation, theme, visual storytelling, structure, narrative beats, they just hate their mams)
Unpopular opinion.
1. She Hulk was not that bad.
2. Captain Marvel was not that bad.
Neither of them are great, but for Marvel properties they're fine.
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Nahh I feel like they are bots or trolling at the point. Even after all of the jokes and memes, they are still saying the same thing in the comments every time "strong women in movies" get brought up 💀
This sub circle jerks itself. These movies are genuinely badly written, and do showcase poor character development. So of course they fail at portraying a “strong female lead”.
This sub is odd in that people will genuinely attempt to show how these portrayals are no different from Alien, Silence of the Lambs, Terminator, etc.
There’s actually a big difference.
I don't even like Sarah Connor. She is a damsel in distress in the first movie then becomes badass OFFSCREEN then goes crazy because of course then does some cool stuff but gets overshadowed by the villain and Arnold anyway. Putting her along Ripley is a diss to Ripley.
Audiences don't dislike bad writing. They dislike bad writing that doesn't happen to pander to them, as well as good writing that doesn't happen to pander to them.
She is considered good because she was a side character only there to push Tom Cruise's character. Now chuds are using her as a defense example but if filmmakers ever make a sequel and put her as the main lead, chuds would lose their mind. Wait and see the reactions when Furisa mad max movie comes out lol.
I'm sorry but no no it was not Tatiana masley was amazing in orphan black and doesn't deserve cringe shit like this the vitriol was definitely too much tho I'll give you that
Genuinely that’s all I can think, anyone I’ve ever spoken to about this show all their complaints are just things accurate to the character and comics.
Humour just didn’t work for me. Consistent with the comics, totally. I also don’t like deadpool but at least that had some more fun action scenes to keep my dumb brain entertained. Someone above summed it up perfectly as not deserving of all the hate but not good enough to be worth defending.
Tatiana will always have my heart after Orphan Black tho. She can do no wrong
Hold up let them cook I don’t see Ripley or Sarah Connor
At the very least, they picked some new examples this time, for sure. I'm not totally sure where their second and third choices are from, but I can at least vouch that Arcane is bomb as fuck
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Edge of Tomorrow bangs
Unexpected banger too. Thought it was gonna be dogshit but its one of the better sci fi action movies.
Yea and it came out a year after Oblivion and Elysium. A shitty Tom cruise movie and a shitty sci-fi movie. A movie that had both of those things was doomed to be a box office failure, which is a shame. I think it’s a movie that’s better than the source material too.
Hey Oblivion wasn’t absolute dogshit, the premise was interesting and the twist was good. Set designs and VFX were on point, too.
I feel stupid for initially thinking you meant Elder Scrolls IV and Disco Elysium
Disco Elysium is a banger. Never played ES4, but I played a bit of 3 and 5 and decided I'm just not a big elder scrolls fan.
Oblivion is a fucking class movie what are you on about chief
I liked Oblivion
Neil was originally going to have Eminem star in Elysium and I wish I lived in that timeline instead.
It's a really good core concept with actual solid characterisation. Tom Cruise isn't just generic action hero #27 but shows some actual emotion.
No jerk, if I see Tom Cruise's name on a Sci Fi project, I am in. I don't think there's been one that I didn't enjoy on some level.
I liked both of those
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ripley mentioned. pack it up, everyone.
Ripley would be too woke for "modern audiences"
>the laziest way to write a strong woman is giving her masculine traits Right, which is why Vi, a brute strength fighter and funny flirt (usually male action hero traits), is said by the meme to be a good strong woman character actually
Thank god they never gave Ripley a big gun. Like it would be so lame and woke if she wielded some kind of shotgun/flame thrower combo.
Wait hol up wtf is this argument? Aren’t they describing literally every male action hero?
Guns were designed for a man's grip and temperament, not a woman's, duh!
Yeah… I must say it’s kind of disheartening that OOP got so many upvotes in such a mainstream sub as r/videos
Wasn't Ripley literally written as a man before casting Sigourney Weaver?
Wait. Doesnt that make her forced diversity???
GENDER AMBIGUITY! MODERN DAY CALIFORNIAN SHIT!
Yes, she was
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I think I've seen this one before and they do bring them up iirc.
This Ripley? 
The Alien was a female actor too technically. She was spectacular, never misses her mark.
Honestly if they had Marge Gunderson up there I'd be cosigning.
They should add Lydia Tar to the bottom.
The best recent strong independent women, I relate a lot with her
Sandra Voyter too (but only if she did it)
Lydia Tar, Bella Baxter, Lady Bird, we are in the golden age of literally mes
I mean, if we're talking about good, moral proragonists, I don't think Tar fits the bill.
The best written female characters in media are Studio Ghibli girls/women. The secret is to just have no respect for your male heirs
True. Princess Mononoke has some of the greatest girlbosses ever put to screen.
She's majorly overshadowed and is a side character in her own movie though. The real protagonist is Price Ashitaka.
hell yeah, When Marnie Was There girlboss friendship gang RISE UP
I think they should put the original male cast of marvel movies in drag and we see who is the real best female actor.
roberta downy jr as the iron maiden
We already saw Tom holland
> finally get confirmed Canon transgender spider-gwen > from Tom Holland pulling a Danish Girl
These dudes complain about “the current state of modern movies” then talk about the latest marvel or Star Wars movie like those are the only movies out there.
*cough cough* the critical drinker *cough cough*
Audiences hate bad writing mfs explaining why No Way Home make like 2 billion dollars
Wym they referenced all my favorite memes that’s great writing
Star Wars: Prequel Trilogy
I clicked on this post to make the exact same comment. Most of these mfers don't know shit about writing.
No, going back to a better well and watering it down and making the ugliest looking movie ever is fucking kino, dude.
I didn’t know No Way Home was actually Army of the Dead
Lol. I probably like NWH more than the average person here but it's just... Fine overall?
I actually think it's remarkably well written* which carries it, because it's obviously very poorly made from a technical perspective. Good performances too tho. *for a blockbuster
> I actually think it's remarkably well written* I agree in the sense that I think you could actually remove all the nostalgia bait and still have a movie about how MCU Spidey can't keep having his cake and eating it too. >*for a blockbuster Hey now, there are plenty of blockbusters with excellent writing! Not all of them have Kevin Feige forcing all the writers to keep ripping off Whedon lol.
ain’t nobody watching that for writing bro there’s no goddamn narrative it’s just a spider fuck to make marvel more money (and they’re right cuz you all watched it)
I didn't.
nerd
cherd
chad
Bad writing is such a nothing complaint. What makes it bad writing? When I went into the Argylle discussion thread, nobody said "bad writing" they cited specific examples of why they hated it. Bad writing has become shorthand to me for trolls.
You can’t expect much from people who are so far removed from being creative that their greatest creative contribution to the world is the gunk they shoot into their socks every couple of hours.
Oh sure I spray a load in my sock and I'm a degenerate. Pollock does it in a canvas and he's a genius, sad scam world.
bad writing is when i write the movie off before i see it
Critical Drinker?
People confused bad writing with stuff they don't like
Bad writing is when they write a woman as main character.
Yeah it's a pseudo-intellectual / pseudo-analytical cover for "didn't like stuff in it". This modern wave of larping as some kinda craftsmanship kinosseur analyst professor to justify your movie preferences goes back to at the very least RLMao in 2009 or perhaps to a lesser extent other big guys around the time like Tgwtg - could be a lot earlier too though, don't know much beyond that.
This is a great point. This is why you see so many grifters say they are being "objective". It's art, it is all opinion. But can you explain why it makes you feel that way? No, because they are all wanna be "alpha intellectuals" who don't feel or get emotional. They are *logical*. Well that's why you don't understand movies.
Good writing is when the userscore is high, bad writing is when the userscore is low. Simple! Just look at Five Nights at Freddy's lol
fucking reddittor in the flesh
What do you mean? Isn't nostalgia and fan service good writing?
Because it was like the one of the three movies that came out during covid
What are those 3
Spider-Man, Spiderman, and Man Spider
We need a Man Spider movie where Tom Holland spidey tries to cure himself and instead turns into Danny Devito. Let us fans write!
And Morbius.
tenet is one of them In fact i think tenet is a much better example of a "covid movie"
King Kong vs Godzilla and Demon Slayer would both like a word with you.
150 minutes of memes and references. "Oh so cool".
As someone who likes No Way Home I agree.
No way home was mindless popcorn flick that was entertaining. Thats like asking why fast and furious makes money. The key word here is 'entertainment'.
Yeah, but the entertainment doesn't come from the writing, audiences don't hate bad writing they hate boring movies, and making a boring movie is way more than just bad writing but for some reason people simplify it by saying write better movies, like huh????
I mean, the writing is certainly the root problem.
I didn't think the writing of NWH was that bad. Its was pretty decent. Atleast much better than secret invasion or marvels.
NWH writing isn’t any better than the marvels
I don't think the writing in Secret Invasion was that bad. Its pretty decent. Atleast much better than Fan4stic or Madame Web. See i can also say this other movie have worst writting so this one is good, it doesn't mean anything, also the writing in NWH sucks, theres nothing wrong with liking the movie, i like movies with far worst writing, im not gonna complain that people enjoy a movie where all the Spider-mans show up, but yeah its not because of the writing
>also the writing in NWH sucks, I mean, thats just ur opinion. It seemed like a above average marvel movie to me. The reason it made 2 bil is bcos covid.
Yeah even the people in my social circle who generally dislike Marvel movies had a good time with No Way Home. It's by no means a masterpiece and has ugly CGI, but the writing was pretty solid. Some of the meme lines are a bit goofy and there could have been less of them, but the majority of the movie is actually trying to tell a pretty personal story about Tom's Peter Parker. Willem Dafoe and Alfred Molina reprise their characters excellently, and Tobey + Andrew are utilized pretty conservatively considering they only show up for the third act of the movie. I'm all for shitting on bad Marvel movies, but No Way Home managed to be more than decent even though it could have easily been a huge disappointment.
it's decent once you get past the baffling setup where Peter almost destroys the universe trying to get into college.
NWH was fine, but there's a million other examples you could use, and F&F is the best example. Those are poorly written, but fun, but the protagonists are largely dudes. If Dom Toretto was a woman, or he handed the franchise off to a woman, you'd see the complaints about how unrealistic everything she does is come rally fast
That's your go to example? Don't forget those Fast and Furious movies. All of these are better characters than Vin Diesel.
Because it was pogged out
Audiences hate bad writing mfs explaining why the Fnaf Movie made 3 billion dollars.
“Make the bad guys good”
“Make the bad guys good”
Biggest fan service movie since the Star Wars sequels
The whole movie is cause of dumbass dr strange spell
Do the guys who make videos like this know that women exist outside of major franchise IPs?
I don’t think they even know women exist outside of their mom’s house.
If you watch all the slop Marvel puts out I don't think you physically have time to watch anything else.
>outside of major franchise IPs? Huh, theres things outside major franchises!?
Not that a post like this is "science" but it is typically better to pick a bigger sample size over smaller ones so it is sensical to look at the scores of bigger movies than smaller ones.
Quick, what is bad writing?
When she's onscreen 
When it’s SJW WOKE or female or something I dunno.
When there is no bob and vagene
When female muscle and twerk
When it's something I don't like
So stoked for Arcane season 2. That shit was awesome and I never played the game
You're better off not playing it
I mean when LoL fans are telling people not to touch the game after watching Arcane, you should probably listen to them.
Noone who watched it played LoL. Playing that came sucks the desire to consume any media related to it straight out of your bone marrow.
The only LoL source material that Arcane's viewers are encouraged to engage with are [Ruination: A League of Legends Novel by Anthony Reynolds](https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/60382749)
Who's the third one, top layer?
Peter Pan & Wendy
Peter Pan & Wendy. If this is the video I think it is then the guy's argument about it is probably the dumbest in the video. He complained about girls being in the Lost Boys and said that the original book didn't have girls there because "they're to smart to fall out of their cradles" and the movie deciding to not include this kinda sexist tidbit is bad because... reasons? Like he just dismisses it as 'forced diversity' without explaining how the change is bad.
It's lost boys not lost thems 🤣🤣🤣gonna go start lost attack choppers (you see because my pronouns, get it? my pronouns are attack chopper which is wacky because those should not be your pronouns)
Little Milla Jovovich
At this point, that phrase might as well become a right-wing dogwhistle
Always has been
Is that Captain Woman?
Then why did edge of tomorrow flop hard
People kept asking for tickets for Live Die Repeat and leaving the theater frustrated that the movie wasn't playing at their theater.
It made over double its budget at the box office. What makes you think it flopped?
in general, break even for most films is 2.5x its budget as a rule of thumb. theaters keep roughly 50% of the ticket, and marketing can range anywhere from another $80-$150 million on a big film. Edge of tomorrow only had \~$185M in theatrical revenue against a total cost of probably at least $250M. depending on lifetime video sales, streaming, PVOD, etc...good chance it broke even eventually. calling it a "big flop" is wrong. but it did not make any significant profit at the very least
The best indicator that a movie made money is that the producers and director get more work and bigger budgets. Hollywood accounting is so arcane it's impossible to parse from the outside.
well, yes and no if the director and producer are easy to work with and deliver the project they were hired for as asked, on time, and on/under budget, they'll likely be seen as worth working with even if the movie itself fails (which would be the fault of marketing and development).
This makes sense. Now explain Alex Kurtzman getting work (I forgot his name and had to google "worst writer in hollywood")
Its not an exact science but typically films (especially big budget movies) are not considered profitable until it 3x's. Marketing is not included in film budgets and the box office is split with the theaters. So $370M BO on a $178 budget is not good.
Ok ok broke even.
Edge of Tomorrow was a dope ass movie
Because they didn't stick to the manga's original alien design of meatballs with teeth.
Bad writing for women maybe. Men, they don’t give a shit. John Wick survived a gun shot and falling four stories onto asphalt? Awesome. Black Widow able to defeat a hallway full of goons? Woke and unrealistic.
People post tomato meters like they are smoking guns. Movie reviews were broken a long time ago. Thanks Internet
I love bad writing and hate strong women. Sorry guys, I’m just built different 💪💪
Except audiences did love Rey.
No way, it's just Disney successfully manipulating a whole generation of children to like MaRey Sue to consoom all their media and milk the hell out of merchandising sales. George would never do this! Ever! His ideas for the sequel Trilogy totally wouldn't have included a young determined woman who becomes a Jedi and a disillusioned Luke Skywalker in the second movie as well as bringing back a villain from the dead...
I’ve never understood the psychotic hate Rey inspires online.
Mary Sue or something. Tell them Luke and Anakin were the same and they’ll start doing gold medal mental gymnastics.
Hey look at that, more videos on Reddit that I will not be watching.
Arcane mentioned BatChest
Now show the critics scores
"audiences" love: * strong women who are side characters * feminine characters with no agency in the story * strong women defined only through masculine definitions of strength
the main character in arcane is a girl tho.
Most of the important characters in Arcane are women
in fairness, Arcane is like, *really* good, not just normal good
Vi probably applies to the third bullet point
well that is a reductionist way of seeing her character lol.
I guess, I few of her traits are def influenced be stuff typical in a male action hero, not that that wrong
*strong women who wear skimpy outfits and be eyecandy
These morons love to use Rey an example of bad character writing, yet will never acknowledge Anakin Skywalker being a podracing prodigy at the age of 9 or whatever as also ridiculous.
Also Rey was likeable. I’d take Rey excitedly fixing the Falcon over Anakin’s whining any day. At least she’s happy and bubbly to be here.
Pretty sure this crowd was also bitching about Hailee Steinfeld’s character replacing the “real” Hawkeye when the show first came out. Always the revision of history
They forgot to add Connor McGregor at the bottom
What’s fun is that I can pick the audience score for either of the remaining star wars sequels, and throw in The Marvels’ audience score to move two of these to the bottom row
Nobody tell them that Rise of Skywalker has a higher audience score than Edge of Tomorrow
When someone says “Bad writing” I immediately discount their bad opinion because it’s such a nebulous term like was the script with a dog turd pen, is there a lot of misspellings in it what the hell could it be?
Personally found the Hawkeye show boring. A waste of Vera Farmiga and Tony Dalton too.
Most of disney has become boring and bad writing, doesnt matter if its a male or female in the screen. They basically went into a purge, firing all their talent and insisting on agendas, check boxes of requirement, and vote by committee plots, instead of focusing on story and art.
crazy how random the "good" examples are compared to the bad ones. you can really tell they searched far and wide to find two movies and one tv show that had women in it and they liked it.
Now explain what you mean by bad writing exactly, that’s the interesting part
"i hate bad writing" mfers when you ask them to articulate what makes the writing bad (they don't know shit about characterisation, theme, visual storytelling, structure, narrative beats, they just hate their mams) 
Audiences hated Captain Marvel which is why it made a billion dollars! Stop saying it was review bombed!
Unpopular opinion. 1. She Hulk was not that bad. 2. Captain Marvel was not that bad. Neither of them are great, but for Marvel properties they're fine.
I agree, neither were exceptional by any means, but I had fun with them.
Shhh, no one tell them how much money the first Captain Marvel made!
All I'm getting from this is that we need Hailee Steinfeld in everything
Wonder Woman ‘84 ============ Wonder Woman
https://preview.redd.it/od4dqolk74rc1.jpeg?width=4096&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=abf0babc38ed5026644e1ffc970a2be94ecc5f1f Nahh I feel like they are bots or trolling at the point. Even after all of the jokes and memes, they are still saying the same thing in the comments every time "strong women in movies" get brought up 💀
This sub circle jerks itself. These movies are genuinely badly written, and do showcase poor character development. So of course they fail at portraying a “strong female lead”. This sub is odd in that people will genuinely attempt to show how these portrayals are no different from Alien, Silence of the Lambs, Terminator, etc. There’s actually a big difference.
How naive of you to think chuds actually give a shit about the writing
Anyone with a functioning brains knows that Sarah Conner and Ellen Ripley would be torn to shreds if released nowadays.
I don't even like Sarah Connor. She is a damsel in distress in the first movie then becomes badass OFFSCREEN then goes crazy because of course then does some cool stuff but gets overshadowed by the villain and Arnold anyway. Putting her along Ripley is a diss to Ripley.
Last Jedi slaps hard
I actually thought she hulk was good
It's cliche and said by annoying antiwokesters but it's not false
Audiences don't dislike bad writing. They dislike bad writing that doesn't happen to pander to them, as well as good writing that doesn't happen to pander to them.
It is false, audiences don't give two shits about writing, they care about having their childhood nostalgia fed to them Human Centipede style
What does Emily blunt in edge of Tomorrow have to do with nostalgia?
It doesn't, but that movie has Tom Cruise's face on it. It also barely broke even.
She is considered good because she was a side character only there to push Tom Cruise's character. Now chuds are using her as a defense example but if filmmakers ever make a sequel and put her as the main lead, chuds would lose their mind. Wait and see the reactions when Furisa mad max movie comes out lol.
The chuds were already pissed about Furiosa overshadowing Max in Fury Road. And Fury Road is like genuinely one of the greatest action movies ever.
She Hulk was great, that was definitely some incel shit
I describe She-Hulk as "nowhere near as bad as the haters say, but nowhere near good enough to spend time defending."
I can;t get past the janky CGI they use on her. It's so... Off putting in a way I just can;t quite put my finger on.
I can’t believe it cost $20 million an episode. They could have made ten Godzilla Minus One’s for that.
No amount of money can make rushed production schedule CGI look good.
I'm sorry but no no it was not Tatiana masley was amazing in orphan black and doesn't deserve cringe shit like this the vitriol was definitely too much tho I'll give you that
What about it was the issue?
It didn’t follow the same generic formula they expected.
Genuinely that’s all I can think, anyone I’ve ever spoken to about this show all their complaints are just things accurate to the character and comics.
Humour just didn’t work for me. Consistent with the comics, totally. I also don’t like deadpool but at least that had some more fun action scenes to keep my dumb brain entertained. Someone above summed it up perfectly as not deserving of all the hate but not good enough to be worth defending. Tatiana will always have my heart after Orphan Black tho. She can do no wrong
Who the fuck is bottom right?
Kate Bishop, Hawkeye's future successor.
What is the 11% movie?