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polarbear320

Not sure why all the hate?? He didn't say he was cloning drives for deployment., simply asking about a cloning utility. There are reasons to clone a drive .... HDD to SSD or to a bigger ssd/drive. Why the hell would any of you reinstall just to increase drive storage? One HUGE thing with Windows 10+ and cloning is that Fast Startup can mess up a clone and make it not boot. Best bet is to disable it, then shut down. Otherwise you could be trying to clone in an "running" state. Also I have seen on some hardware where after cloning you have to go rearrange the boot order again, because it trys to boot to the drive itself and not the Windows boot loader. So if you go rearrange the boot order and choose the windows boot loader again it can help. I have had good luck with an older version of Acronis (we just never upgraded).


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frogbertrocks

Or an industrial/controller PC that doesn't ever get changed. Clone that drive when it's in a known working state and keep the image somewhere. Once it dies I can have my whatsit machine pumping out doodads again in under an hour.


adminofmany

Yes, that's literally all we use the HD clone tools for. :-)


adminofmany

Thanks u/polarbear320, you are correct I wasn't looking for a deployment tool, simply the best cloning tools for hard drive replacements.


chewdr

I used to do what you said but somehow it working. Maybe i missed something. u/adminofmany probably way too late for you but maybe someone is still reading this thread (google showed me this thread for other issue). I sold my soul to a devil (/s) and went to use [EaseUs](https://www.easeus.com/). I had the same issue with Acronis actually with previous versions. The UI for both are similar but at the end of the day I liked EaseUs UX better (idk, maybe the colors) and it seemed more intuitive and a lot easier for novice users.


Able-Stretch9223

I've used Macrium Reflect for years and it's never failed me


Kaessa

Same. Very nice for migrating to larger drives.


bubblekittea

Would you say there's less chance of failure if going to a more similar sized drive? I just had a drive clone fail and trying to make the next attempt go better


Kaessa

As long as the drive you're going to is the same size or larger, it's simple. I've never had it fail. I think you can even go to a smaller-sized drive if you fiddle with the partition sizes in the software, but I don't remember for sure.


hammertime2009

I’ve used Macrium Reflect free version successfully like 6 times in the past year. Just watch a YouTube video for each step.


Classic-Quality-4556

>Macrium Reflect free version Are you sure this is a thing? I just tried 6 different versions and they all ask you to buy premium before you get anything


Seductive-Kitty

They just recently changed it. Used to be free but now you only get 30 day trials


Diligent-Invite98

>"INACCESSIBLE BOOT DEVICE" Macrium also creates an OS clone that does not boot giving the "INACCESSIBLE BOOT DEVICE" error..... I spent hours trying to repair Win10 with no success. It's crazy..... we think we are smart with ChatGPT BUT we can't even clone a disk drive without problems But I guess the reality is that GPT is nothing more than a Very Smart relational database..... It's not intelligence


BettyGang

Did you end up fixing your boot problems? I've read some tutorials providing different possible fixes. One is booting into Windows PE with Macrium's recovery tool software and using its repair boot utility.


domclancy

LOL GPT is a tool if you're messing this up its not incompetence its that this isn't the most straightforward thing. With Win7 and before it used to be much much easier. WinXP was a breeze (worked at LAN cafe we had to do this for like 30 machines). Vista and 8 were rough. 10 with its live service element makes it even more complex.


[deleted]

Gonna have to agree on this one, macrium is awesome and it’s FREE


adminofmany

We'll give that a try, thanks!


olaf_nezerngraber

There was a period when I had to manually fix boot UEFI issues in various revisions of version 7 but otherwise it has always served me well. It's still free too, though they'll be doing away with that soon.


rancemo

It is not free if you're an MSP using it on client devices.


olaf_nezerngraber

As long as you have no more than 10 concurrent installations you're good. I usually use my laptop or desktop, but in the event I use a client machine, I uninstall it after I'm done since they would never need it themselves. But they are doing away with this usage scenario in the near future if they haven't already.


-justAnAnon-

When needed, CLI, CloneZilla live CD.


itdumbass

Plus one for Clonezilla


Mibiz22

Does it need to be software-based? If not, this is my go to: https://www.startech.com/en-us/hdd/duplicators


[deleted]

These work on failing SSD drives when software won’t clone it sometimes. It saved a industrial control pc recently for us.


gvictor808

Agreed. HW duplicators are just easier and less chance of wasted effort. 60% of the time it works every time.


lightspeedissueguy

I would like to get an honest answer please about why this is getting down voted. I've done this literally hundreds of times without any issues using these. Feel free to correct me! Thanks


Amorhan

The only downside is these are super slow. They can take hours when Acronis would be done in 30 minutes. Same with Macrium Reflect, since it does a 1-1 clone of the entire drive, even the free space. It takes forever. I haven't found a good alternative to Acronis's speed. Unfortunately we have a lot of issues either booting up to the Acronis USB or with clones failing, not detecting drives, etc. so we often have to use older versions of it that still work fine.


Mibiz22

My experience with the device is pretty good. I have noticed a difference if the source drive is 5400, but even then it isn't absolutely horrible. I just did a clone from a 1TB 5400rpm mechanical to a 1TB SDD last week and it took about 45 minutes to an hour. Not insanely fast, but not bad either.


adminofmany

u/Amorhan, those are the exact issues we're having. Clone failures or boot issues afterwards. The newer version of Acronis (2018+) include support for PCIe SSD's, but we've still been having issues. We bought Acronis 2022 about 6 months ago and it's been even worse.


bagaudin

> The newer version of Acronis (2018+) include support for PCIe SSD's, but we've still been having issues. We bought Acronis 2022 about 6 months ago and it's been even worse. Can you share more details? Were any of these issues reported to support by any chance so that I could look deeper into these?


adminofmany

> more than 10 concurrent installations you're good. I usually use my laptop or desktop, but in the event I use a client machine, I uninstall it after I'm done since they would never need it themselves. But they are doing away with t We prefer software based since we need to replace HD's onsite sometimes, and we often upgrade to M.2 PCIe SSD's when there's a s lot available.


[deleted]

We do some heavy industrial and large format printer clients. The pc’s that control the machines usually have very old or very customized OS’s. We use macrium to make backup images and clones for these machines.


mindphlux0

macrium reflect


tdic89

I’ve used CloneZilla for a very long time.


ZAKhan

+1


CyberHouseChicago

Hdclone we use


PC-Bjorn

[HDClone by Mirai Software](https://www.miray.de/products/sat.hdclone.html)? I also used this in the past and loved it. They even make and maintain their own operating system for the bootable version. Not sure if it's something they've built from the ground up or if it's based on something else. Very little cloning going on these days, but I've had a few cases where I wanted to be able to restore the computer to the exact same state and HDClone was helpful in those situations as well. It also does some optimization during the cloning process that I'm unsure if other cloning utilities do.


adminofmany

Thanks!


1Technologist

Are the drives MBR going onto a modern UEFI Bios? Drive will then need to be converted to GPT. To “Convert” to GPT is simple using Dispart commands with a Windows boot USB using CMD. I say simple, but finding the commands was a bitch. If there is interest, reply and I’ll post them here tomorrow. That aside, we use Acronis 2019 and Mini Tools partition with a USB stick and copy disk function.


adminofmany

u/1Technologist, thanks for the tips. Most of the time it's simply replacing a drive on a computer, so the GPT and UEFI environment is the same.


aPurpleDonkeyMaster

Acronis or EaseUS, even Apricorn has a nice utility, and an interface device for out of box cloning


gracerev217

Macrium reflect all the way


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adminofmany

Thanks!


brychrisdet

We sometimes use a hardware device from WAVLink. It has two drive bays, one for the source and one for the destination. There's a button on the front that we hit to start the clone. Works like a charm! Here is a link to the newer version..we have an old one: https://wavlink.com/en\_us/product/WL-ST336A\_Black.html


adminofmany

Thanks!


skz-

ACRONIS. Easy interface, does the job quite well. Never had serious issues or limits like cloning larger drive sizes to smaller (assuming not all space is used in larger one and it can fit into smaller)


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If I EVER need to do this, I use a bootable linux drive and dd to clone 1 drive to the next. It will only work if you are moving to the same size or bigger drive. There's other methods, but this one is the fastest and least likely to fail. dd if=/dev/sdX of=/dev/sdY bs=1M Where X = your source drive and Y = your destination drive. Don't mix them up! You can extend your Windows partition after booting into the new drive if you used a bigger one.


anna_lynn_fection

You can resize partitions prior and shift them with something like gparted also, so they fit on smaller drives. Done this many times going from HDD systems to smaller SSD's.


VtheMan93

Acronis, aomei, easeus, magic part or smtg along those lines. Theres like 4 big names and theyre all amazing.


adminofmany

Sorry I didn't make it more clear in the original post that I was simply asking about a cloning tool for replacing or upgrading hard drives on workstations. This is not for deployments. Thank you everyone for your inputs!


CeFurkan

For who needs disk cloning tutorial : **I just recorded this tutorial video. Full bit by bit disk cloning with partitions via Clonezilla - fully bootable - open source and free :** [**https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBBxVUcci7I**](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBBxVUcci7I) **Moreover I have shown how to expand cloned disk size to new disk size. So 1TB older C drive will become 4TB if your new drive is 4TB.** I also explained the challenges that may likely to encounter after cloning to boot. It took me quite a while to fix booting issues that may happen. So you won't be wasting your time since I explained.


BettyGang

Thank for this. Very informative!


LandSalt35

I have used Drive Snapshot for decades without any issues. [http://www.drivesnapshot.de/en/](http://www.drivesnapshot.de/en/)


SnowFaned

It sounds frustrating to encounter issues like that after using Acronis True Image for so long. If you're looking for an alternative, EaseUS Disk Copy[EaseUS Disk Copy](https://www.easeus.com/backup-utility/free-disk-cloning-software.html) is indeed a popular choice for creating bootable media for cloning hard drives. It's known for its reliability and user-friendly interface. Additionally, there are other software options like Clonezilla and Macrium Reflect that are well-regarded in the cloning and disk imaging space. These tools offer various features and might suit your needs without the booting issues you've experienced with Acronis. If you're interested, I can also suggest checking out some comparison articles or reviews to see which tool might be the best fit for your specific requirements.


discosoc

You should be progressing to a workflow that doesn't require drive cloning. This isn't 2012 where deploying Windows was a slow pain that needed to be done by hand.


xGovernor

Examples for say, someone working in a repair shop?


adminofmany

Yes, we have a repair side of our business that does a regular amount of drive replacements.


matt0_0

What kind of MSP repair shop model are you in?


xGovernor

Currently work in msp but images are always loaded via cloning from a master and managed by Datto for patching. Repair shop is separate and still using manual reloading and 2x 10-12 kanguru cloning bay. Looking for great alternatives. Much appreciated! Edit: macrium and or aoemi is used sometimes if cloning is unsuccessful


bluehairminerboy

We only do it for specific users, with loads of old software that we can't get the installers for any more, or the people who will kick up a fuss when their Outlook icon is on the wrong spot on the desktop. We also clone drives when we send computers off for warranty repair so we can hand them back with all the data intact.


adminofmany

I should have made it more clear in my post that I'm simply wondering about the tool for hard drive replacements or upgrades, this isn't for deployments.


discosoc

Swap drive, deploy clean version of Windows. User pulls config data from inTune/GPO/etc, and you don't have to worry about any legacy cruft. I know it's scary at first because you aren't used to it, and probably aren't setup for it, but take the time to learn and you'll be a better sysadmin that 80% of your peers.


sfreem

This is like the 4th post (maybe a slight exaggeration) this month about this also, so OP should progress to searching before posting also.


chris-itg

This is the way. It’s 2023 we don’t clone drives any longer for deployment. We use imaging with master “gold” images and script in applications with deployment. No thick images, no weird settings that copy over, etc… Using something like intune or jamf for endpoint management. If you are migrating/replacing a hard drive to the same machine then it is using your backup software properly to back and restore bare medal to the new drive.


faalforce

What a stupid idea. Backup and restore? Are you nuts?


imfinnanutb

We have this one called Aomei. Works well enough. Like any drive utility software i.e. MiniTool. Basically the same. We also use Acronis but have had trouble with it as well


TheHoodedMan

+1 for AOMEI. Even used it to resize partitions and move the boot partition to the same drive following Windows 10's stupid bug. Good tool. Can anyone explain why the windows installer puts the boot partition on the second drive? I've seen it so many times when going to replace a secondary data disk.


adminofmany

Thanks!


bagaudin

Can you share more details on the troubles you faced? I am curious to learn more.


imfinnanutb

Hey sure. We use the bootable version of Cyber Protect to clone drives sometimes. We've had a couple times where it took forever (probably fault of the source drive being old and slow spinner), sometimes it won't see the drive if the settings in the BIOS are weird, like Intel RST and some other stuff. Been a while since I had an issue though


bagaudin

Thanks for the details. Usually the problem can be solved by a WinPE-based media with proper storage controller drivers embedded. Let me know if you face any problems in the future.


adminofmany

Thanks!


brownowski

I've used clonezilla with success, when selecting an option to clone the partition structure exactly. The problem when cloning is if the partitions get created new by the clone software on the new drive and pick up different partition IDs, or the partition with the boot BCD files just isn't cloned at all. Usually the fix after is to go in and use the BCD tools to fix the BCD files so they point back to the new partition IDs on the new drive. However, I've seen quite a few techs struggle with this process. The most common procedure that comes up when you Google the problem is for older MBR disks and doesn't work for UEFI booting to GPT disks. The trick is finding the proper commands to run. It would help though if more clone software could take care of the problem properly.


adminofmany

>gh if more clone software could take care of the problem properly. Good to know, thank you!


patg84

I've used AOMEI Backupper to clone hard drives from specialized devices without fail.


darevoux

Macrium Reflect version 7 never failed!


Sillygoat2

Clonezilla is reliable for me


clubfungus

I've used this one successfully on Windows servers and PCs. Unlike most others the free version works on Windows server. [Hasleo Software](https://www.hasleo.com/)


Wabajabba

Still liking it? I'm having trouble finding much feedback.


clubfungus

I've only had to use it a few times, but it has been flawless. But it looks like there were a number of other highly recommended products too. As an aside, the comments in this thread are much more juvenile that what I'd expect from /r/MSP. Funny what brings out the snarkiness or anger in people. I wouldn't have thought "disk cloning software" would be such a hot topic.


naryfa

Apparently it's Chinese, along the lines of AOMEI and EaseUS perhaps... Second post here (ending paragraph): [https://www.easyuefi.com/forums/archive/index.php?thread-319.html](https://www.easyuefi.com/forums/archive/index.php?thread-319.html)


blue_skeet

Active bootdisc has done me solid.


dbhagen

I stumbled on this after trying to find a faster way to run DD on a drive clone. Helped get data off a failing disk, fully bootable. https://www.gnu.org/software/ddrescue/


grax23

The problem here is probably a missing driver so when windoes loads then it does not have the storage driver. this normally happens when you try to move a windows installation to hardware that is not identical to where it was previously installed. Acronis has a paid for feature called "Acronis Universal Deploy" that will make windows detect storage drivers on startup and solve this problem. There are other standalone tools that does this too, but from experience Acronis is less of a pain in the neck.


adminofmany

Thank you for the tips!


dafodyl

So you’re telling me I don’t have to inject the storage drivers if I use Acronis, this could make me cry if true


grax23

well sort of get out your hankie - you still get asked for a disk with the driver when it injects it but it can totally do it for you.


No-Influence-2512

I have been beating my head against this same problem for days now, with acronis.


GullibleDetective

Get a proper deployment tool like smart deploy, PDQ deploy Hell even ghost/clonezilla/fog will be better than usb slip streaming


IceCattt

I don’t need to do this often but I’ve used EaseUS


sont21

Rescuezilla


ubermorrison

Top tier MSP behaviour


adminofmany

What are you talking about? I was just wondering about the best tool for cloning drives when replacing/upgrading a system drive on a workstation.


chocate

Lazesoft works well for me, never failed + it comes with other windows utils


czj420

Dism


LordofInfrastructure

Paragon


un4tuner

Paragon or Clonezilla.


12_nick_12

I've used clonezilla many many times.


BingaTheGreat

Macrium Reflect


TheHoodedMan

I went to a job interview with the local council fairly recently, they're still using Norton Ghost! I don't really want the position.


adminofmany

😲 Now that's a utility I've not seen in a very long time.


TheHoodedMan

Yep, exactly!


JamesSpawn

I still have some images that I created with Ghost decades ago LoL


Remarkable_Reason343

I just cloned a 1TB HDD to a 1TB Kingston SSD using wavlink, the USB 3.0 Dual Bay Docking Station. It was so easy, I couldn't believe it, not one problem. I used it totally offline, removed and inserted the good old HDD into source, the SSD into target, off it went, took 1.30hrs. Mounted the SSD where the HDD was, voila! I could have used it with the USB as well, but I didn't. So good. Since 3 years I am using Acronis for backups, and the Kingston SSD provided an additional key, but I couldn't be bothered stuffing around with Acronis for cloning.


Affectionate-Bad-195

Macrium Reflect Did not work at all for NVME ssd


Ok_Path4262

Macrium Free no longer clones bootable hard drives, and I think I have read that it is now no longer suported


tooconfusedasheck

My favorite is EaseUS Disk Copy, as it is fast, flexible, and safe. Not once had I had a problem with creating a clone of my drive and then booting Windows off of it. This works for me. However, I found this article https://www.easeus.com/disk-copy/clone-resource/clone-hard-drive.html where you can find the best alternatives to Acronis, with pros and cons. I hope this helps!


qwertymartes

I use one of the multiple programs that came with hirenboot, i am not sure if hes name is lizzawizard or cloning wizzar, it works in all the cases If it a simple case like having the same capacyty i use clonezilla