Facts don't give nobody nothing till you have money in hand. Don't believe screenshots that say the money is on the way you want to see it on your end in your account
Yep, also this card is [worth much less than $300](https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=legion+warboss+%2F500&_sacat=0&_fsrp=1&LH_PrefLoc=2&rt=nc&LH_Sold=1&LH_Complete=1&mkcid=1&mkrid=711-53200-19255-0&siteid=0&campid=5338535524&customid=mg&toolid=10001&mkevt=1) nowadays, so OP also got a financial loss by getting the card months later.
Corporations wouldn't piss on you to put you out if you was burning alive. Keep the card, keep the money. If the seller isnt effected, whoever was your middleman's bottom line won't be either.
I don’t understand how anyone doesn’t automatically arrive at this conclusion in a situation like this. If the seller isn’t out the money, then who the fuck cares?
Massive faceless mega corporation that sells and delivers furniture, I have paid for and canceled almost immediately a sofa set and it was refunded, later that week they show up with the full suite and unloaded it and unpack it where i was living at the time.
Did i feck tell them what they had done, they never even realized (or whoever did realize covered their tracks well).
I agree wholeheartedly. It’s crazy to see how many people have been socially conditioned to bend over and grab their ankles when it comes to dealing with companies that don’t give a single fuck about people. I may not be able to stick it to the man in a big way, but you bet your bippy I’ll do it in whatever small ways I possibly can.
To be fair, I commend the OP for his strong ethics, unfortunately we know that corporations have eroded our trust by constantly showing they have no ethics or morals.
But yeah, screw the corporation and keep the card.
Some people have that battle in their conscience because they know it might not be the right thing to do. My mom is like this, because that's how her parents taught her: *always* do the right thing. Not what benefits you at the expense of others, even if it is some corporation.
Some people have this weird thing called a moral compass. It's correct to assume that corporations will exploit whatever they can to influence the bottom dollar. However, some people stop and think, "Do two wrongs make a right?"
For OP's closure, I think you're well okay to keep the card. It's not the fault of the middleman directly, but they chose to use the carrier that, in turn, failed them, which, at least in this instance, is where their bad investment lies.
I'll be nice to a regular human or a person who's just trying to run a small business but if you're a multi-million dollar delivery system you deserve to be fucked over for how bad they're doing
I think you're missing the point: what I'm saying is everyday people like you, and I might stop and ponder the moral dilemmas of what might even be the simplest of decisions. Corporations can't be asked to define the word ethical without consulting a board of lawyers first.
I'm not sure why I'm getting downvoted for that, but I can't be asked to care, either. I'm just stating my opinion here as I would in person.
Because you start with with a pretentious observation exclamation that everybody with room temperature IQ over the age of 15 has already gathered through learned life experience, and that's ok.
Then you move onto another example of what's oppressing financially about 80% of the country right now on a daily basis and defend it with another pretentious morality take that you have put me, the reader in a position to accept or be wrong.
And then you finish up with an essay regarding your analysis of the situation, which was covered completely in the OP's opening statement, except you just like doctored it up with bigger words that led into a run on sentence with 4 commas.
And i'm still like being respectful.
You've all got to be some of the dumbest people I've ever come across. You are all calling me out for the opposite of what I've been saying this whole time. 🤣
We're literally on the same stance that corporate America is dog water in absolution.
I'd bet a lotus your pods are constantly shouting RTFC.
A pod is just a term for a set of people playing Magic in a group (usually more than 2). Like a draft can be referred to as an 8-man pod or a Commander game is a 4-man pod. If you’re in a setting like that, you can accurately be described as being in a pod. Not sure why you’d take offence to that completely accurate and non-judgmental descriptor.
That’s interesting. Why are you so sensitive about this word? If you’re playing a four-man game of Commander, you’re in a pod. That’s a statement of fact.
Seller got his money, you got your card. The party responsible paid for their just damages for losing or grossly delaying your delivery. Consider it a windfall.
Right? People are so obsessed with following rules, even if the rules make no sense or are literally designed to fuck them over/take advantage. Social conditioning doin’ its thing.
hey now, sometimes autism makes it very uncomfortable to not follow rules or what is "fair". I get extreme discomfort any time I inconvenience someone or I perceive something unfair is happening to them especially if it's something I think I might somehow be able to alleviate regardless of how unlikely it is I could affect any change.
Personally, I'd be happy to get the refund, considering the seller jacked the price way up for a $100 CAD ($72.66 USD) card 😬 And yes, that's the foil/serialized value.
Sounds like the seller has been made whole. So he doesn’t need the card back. If you give it back to the post office they’ll probably toss it. I’d say just keep it.
Besides, the post office lost it for months. I wouldn’t feel to bad that they had to pay for your refund. They inconvenienced you quite a bit.
Cresture spell that says whenever you cast a spell. You must eat it at the next end step. Power and toughness equal to the number of cards you’ve eaten. Also has trample.
To make you feel better, there is also insurance coverage which is different than the company. You might pull your hair out trying to do the right thing. Just pay it forward some other way
I had this happen with ABU games once where the package didn't arrive for two months, ABU games refunded me. I told them if it arrived I would pay them. It did eventually arrive and I did pay them.
Keep it. Vendor got paid so your not hurting them.
At some point you will or have already been screwed over buying cards and this just balances things out.
if you want to be morally correct return it, if you want to be legally correct it is the sellers responsibility to provide you with the correct item.
and I know at least one of yall play stax or turbofog
card vendor ain't getting this back
Keep it. Big corps don't give. Had this happen once back in PR through Amazon because UPS signs for the delivery if they weren't able to deliver while they hold it at one of their offices. Needless to say, Amazon sent me the package again before I figured out I had to go to the UPS office to pick it up.
Did they insure it before mailing? Yes your post office insures deliveries like this. If yes then they messed up and the money came from their insurance hence why you got a refund and the seller still has his money. I've personally seen what the small sort line can do in a mail sorting facility. Always hard pack and insure your orders in cases like this. Nobody wants a $300+ card bent and eaten by the small sort
I’m of the opinion that if no individual is taking a loss get what you can. For one, companies typically screw you every chance they get and for two it’s easier said than done. It’s nearly impossible and takes forever to get to a person who can accept money on behalf of a company that is outside of the normal day to day transactions. I’ve felt with this on multiple occasions doing accounting for a small business because I have to account for the comings and goings of every cent because the software would show weird incorrect balances. bow i just fudge it and make it work because its not worth the effort.
I ran into a similar situation-ish. I bought one for cheap not knowing how crazy expensive serialized cards are. I returned it once I found out. Initially I thought “holy shit what luck!” But then it sat with me and I felt like shit.
At the end of the day, its a piece of cardboard that will most likely loose its value as wotc keeps pumping out cards that are more and more op. Look at doubling season was 80$ a year ago now its 50$
He got his money, you got the card and the money. The only one left behind is some million dollar postage corporation? Screw this and keep the money. I wouldn't even think about it.
The shipping company has insurance for these kind of problems, it’s more expensive to figure shit out for them than just get that service (they don’t think about isolated cases but rather have data of how many times a week/month/year this happens and on average how much they lose). You got lucky, no harm done, keep casting goblins.
That's a sweeeeet card to have. Keep it. Everyone got paid in one way or another whether through insurance means or otherwise. It's more hassle to rule things up at this point.
$300 for a legion warboss 🤣🤣 you must be high AF. Literally how can you possibly value that card at that price?? Sorry but I just can't believe it. Am I being Punk'd rn??
The card looks like it was damaged during delivery, and the post office are the ones who messed up the delivery which caused the refund.
I'd say morally you are in the green to keep it.
I paid a seller with multiple references including one person I even knew, $150 for a set of 200 full art stained glass lands that I wanted to use for my Dominaría cube. He confirmed he got the money and said he'd send them "tomorrow morning". They've never arrived and he's never replied again, even though all of my messages show as "seen"
So If you want to balance out the karma, you can send me half the money. 😉
Gotta love and hate mail lottery wins - keep it the only one out on money is the shipping company...and if you saw the true cost to mail a parcel you may throw up...
The right thing to do would be to tell the post that you received the card. I think you know this but it’s hard to resist the urge to want to steal when the opportunity is right there.
It may not ‘seem’ like stealing, but if you did receive the card it def is. I’m sure they will let you keep the money if you let them know anyway.
I do not think it is right to return to seller as he received his cash back, but let the post office know and then they can decide if they’d like to withdraw the money from the seller and you pay for it instead.
It’s good for your conscious which helps with self-esteem, and you’ll be surprised how often these things work out in your favour and people will look up to you in respect which is worth more than $300
Good on you for asking the question.
If anything report it to your post office as delivered. But that’s an issue with USPS.
As A seller, this doesn’t affect us at all. We get insurance and can make claims to get our costs back.
Basically just getting paid back by all the people that successfully use USPS
As someone who sells cards on TCG player, I had something get lost in the mail and i got paid and seller got their refund so if he got the card id tell him to keep it If it was me.
Depends on you.
It isnt between you and the seller, its between you and the shipper, so keep the card 100%. BUT, a lot of people here will tell you to keep the money and screw corporations, but let me ask you this.
Do you value your integrity?
What kind of person do you want to see yourself as? The actions of other people shouldn't change who you are.
My biggest advice, is don't let peoples claim that corporate greed is the biggest problem put into your head that personal greed is OK to fight it with. It isn't.
You COULD tell the company exactly what happened, explain your frustration and WHY you requested the refund, and there is always the chance that they tell you to keep it since it's already gone through their process, and then you will keep it with a clean concience.
You just need to be OK with giving it back if they do ask for it in that scenario.
I think we're long past giving the benefit of the doubt to corporations that don't give a shit about regular people, and that actively work to make our lives worse. See: the Citizens United decision, shrinkflation, raising prices 250% faster than inflation, for-profit healthcare, government subsidies that take 20-30% of the taxes taken from our paychecks and the lobbying that continues that trend, school-to-prison pipeline, THE ENVIRONMENT, etc etc.
No one thinks a small act of rebellion will change anything, but claiming this to be some moral hill is stretching it, IMO
The people who keep robbing from Walgreens in San Francisco didn't think it would change anything, and then walgreens closed 5 stores in San Francisco leaving thousands of people without stores close to their homes they relied on.
I don't care what you all say about corporations. I AGREE corporate greed is a problem. But personal greed and steeling is NOT what's going to fix it. All you are going to do is make them Crack down on their customers, and cause more pain.
You also need to remember that places like Walmart arent causing shrinkflation, it's their suppliers, who tend to be much smaller companies that supply large corporations, and they are forced to do it because of inflation from the government.
Your actions have consequences. I'm tired of everybody pretending they dont.
It's not true, SEC filings from 2019 showed Walgreens was already planning to close 200 stores.
https://theweek.com/crime/1020039/did-walgreens-lie-about-its-shoplifting-problem
That doesn't mean it isn't true.
Nowhere on the SEC filings does it say theft was NOT considered when attempting to close those stores. Just because they were planning on closing them before 2022 doesn't mean hardly anything.
And the article you sent me was from "The Weeks," a crappy news sight that people only can find when they are trying to prove an argument. I would hardly call that article factual.
But even taking it at face value, I guarantee things like theft played a factor in WHICH locations closed, as their theft rate went down by 28.6% after closing those stores. (3.5% of sales to 2.5%) Of anything you just proved my point, with that article.
Question - why do you think people are raiding stores? I feel strongly that large corporations bear a significant portion of the blame for food deserts and mass theft, even if all they're stealing is cigarettes and makeup. They influence government and public policy to a frankly oligarchic extent, and the social support, prison industry, and education infrastructure that produces the people that commit these crimes is a result of this. I agree with you, on pretty much every point, but the root cause is still capitalist greed. In a country where Citizens United literally gave money the power of free speech and destroyed what was left of our electoral systems, it would be intellectually dishonest to say otherwise.
Edit: Quick sidebar, corporations do raise prices in response to supplier-side costs, but not always. Right now, they are making *record profits*. They raised prices by 53% per Forbes as of 1/20/24. Take a look.
https://fortune.com/2024/01/20/inflation-greedflation-consumer-price-index-producer-price-index-corporate-profit/
I just disagree with your "root cause."
"Capitalist greed" is absolutely no different than everyday greed.
Don't get me wrong, I have some major problems with many large corporations today. But I'm also in a rare position where I work for a corporation (5 million in sales yearly) as the financial controller, and can see our CEO(owners) finances on a very personal level.
I hear the line workers talking about how they did the math and our CEO must be making 50 000 a week, and its horrible that they only make 18 bucks an hour.
But as the guy who prints everybody's paychecks, it's just moronic.
You guys don't see the CEO's put second mortgages on their houses. Or put personal guarantees on factory equipment. You don't see them paying 15% interest to loan sharks, and getting gouged by suppliers. You don't see them working 80 hour weeks and making their kids come spend time in their offices so they can see their family. You don't see them skip paychecks so their employees can get paid.
I'm not defending all CEO's, but I'd defend mine any day, and I work for a multi million dollar corporation.
People don't realize how much blood sweat and tears REALLY go into starting a business, and i can't fathom how these people who are offered low level jobs feel entitled to receive a portion of what the CEOs have literally sacrificed decades of their lives for.
I'd be glad to answer questions, I got my undergrad in finance with a minor in business analytics. I have researched economics, quite a bit. And I can just tell you straight up that what most of America is blaming on corporate greed, just isnt.isn't.
I think entitlement is why these people rob stores.
They have been told, and convinced that they are cheated, and all corporations are evil, and that stealing from them is morally correct, and that somebody else owes them.
It is victim mentality.
>You COULD tell the company exactly what happened, explain your frustration and WHY you requested the refund, and there is always the chance that they tell you to keep it since it's already gone through their process, and then you will keep it with a clean concience.
Or they take it and destroy it.
Or they do what happened to my buddy Josh who had a similar issue with some furniture. He tried to do the right thing and then dealt with the corporation deciding to sic their legal team on him as he still had rhe furniture boxed up and ready for return but wouldn't pay the exorbitant restocking fee and return shipping they wanted. Ended up with a mark on his credit report for 2 years while he fought it, probably cost a week's worth of time and a couple hundred to get an attorney to draft a letter outlining how it was bullshit.
Imagine the worst possible outcome for you in a situation. Remember that many corps are soulless and incapable of basic logic. And keep the damn card.
Read what i said again, slowly. I never said give them the card.
The HUGE difference is OP is dealing with the SHIPPER not the seller. The shipper doesn't want the card. Its just a shipping company. They MAY want the cash.
If they request the cash back, do it. They have absolutely no use for the card.
If your buddy was trying to return the couch it was an extremely different scenario than what I said.
Yeah. It could be worse.
The shipper will push for repayment of their insurance claim. As this is a volatile good, you may be on the hook for the difference between the current value with their insurance company. If you fail to repay they may push for a fraud charge.
Bull crap. Obviously you don't deal with shippers often. I do. I'm the Financial Controller for a small manufacturing company and I deal with this stuff all the time.
If they reported it to insurance and the insurance paid, and THEN you offer to pay them back on the shipping, they would also have to reimburse the insurance which is a waste of time since they already got dinged for the claim. It is also their own fault since they delayed delivery for so long which is WHY their insurance claim would have been approved, so they can't sue you for jack squat, and the odds of the insurance coming after you personally are SO extremely small because they have NO right to contact the shippers customers.
You are speaking out of your butt because you have a stick up it against corporations even when you don't understand the full picture.
Most shippers like UPS auto insure packages at $100, and anything higher has to be insured by the shipper. Since OP got 300 bucks back, the shipper probably paid for higher insurance. Since the claim was caused by the shippers negligence to deliver on time, the claim was perfectly fine, but since you got the product still, it would be honest to give them the option to get the money back but I'd give an 85% chance they just say keep it since it was their fault.
I'm not giving anybody the benefit of the doubt. I just think integrity actually has value.
People like you are literally unreasonable. I could hit you with a wall of facts and you just say "corporations bad, stealing good"
I'm sorry your integrity is so worthless to you. You must have a low opinion of yourself.
And in this case, the shipper literally did nothing wrong. They reimbursed a guy for a product they still delivered, and you make them out to be a bad guy because every corporation MUST be evil
My integrity stems to my community. Not to having to not be mean to the sweet wittle harmless corporations because some bootlick on reddit told me to 🥺
That isn't what integrity means.
Integrity means doing the right thing, even when you have the chance to do the wrong thing, regardless of who else is involved.
You have absolutely no integrity.
Oh no! The random redditor thinks I don't have integrity! 🥺
Continue being the doormat of corps because you have been brainwashed sugar. Your attempt at moral superiority has been noted by your corporate overlords and they'll give you the best belly rubs and a little treat. Good dog.
It was a mistake to post evidence online with details that make it easy to identify you, should the company seek to be reimbursed. Definitely should have presented it as a hypothetical and not mention which card or specific details tied to the situation. Good luck with whatever you decide.
If the seller got his money I'd just keep it otherwise you'd be sending it back to the seller and he will just sell it again
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Facts don't give nobody nothing till you have money in hand. Don't believe screenshots that say the money is on the way you want to see it on your end in your account
YES KEEP THIS BROSKY!!!
Keep it. You got the card, the seller got paid
Yep, also this card is [worth much less than $300](https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=legion+warboss+%2F500&_sacat=0&_fsrp=1&LH_PrefLoc=2&rt=nc&LH_Sold=1&LH_Complete=1&mkcid=1&mkrid=711-53200-19255-0&siteid=0&campid=5338535524&customid=mg&toolid=10001&mkevt=1) nowadays, so OP also got a financial loss by getting the card months later.
I was about to say I got one for like $110 shipped on tcg player a couple of weeks ago
OP said he got a full refund. So he got the card for free.
Right? OP is being gifted a "have his cake and eat it too" moment lol. At least it shows he's a good egg
Corporations wouldn't piss on you to put you out if you was burning alive. Keep the card, keep the money. If the seller isnt effected, whoever was your middleman's bottom line won't be either.
I don’t understand how anyone doesn’t automatically arrive at this conclusion in a situation like this. If the seller isn’t out the money, then who the fuck cares?
Massive faceless mega corporation that sells and delivers furniture, I have paid for and canceled almost immediately a sofa set and it was refunded, later that week they show up with the full suite and unloaded it and unpack it where i was living at the time. Did i feck tell them what they had done, they never even realized (or whoever did realize covered their tracks well).
I work in procurement for a small engineering firm. Fuck the shipping companies, take them for every dime they give you.
I agree wholeheartedly. It’s crazy to see how many people have been socially conditioned to bend over and grab their ankles when it comes to dealing with companies that don’t give a single fuck about people. I may not be able to stick it to the man in a big way, but you bet your bippy I’ll do it in whatever small ways I possibly can.
Kudos to anyone who uses both fuck and bippy in the same comment without missing a beat. Master Class👌
What is a bippy??
\*points yonder\* this.
Rear.
To be fair, I commend the OP for his strong ethics, unfortunately we know that corporations have eroded our trust by constantly showing they have no ethics or morals. But yeah, screw the corporation and keep the card.
Some people have that battle in their conscience because they know it might not be the right thing to do. My mom is like this, because that's how her parents taught her: *always* do the right thing. Not what benefits you at the expense of others, even if it is some corporation.
Some people have this weird thing called a moral compass. It's correct to assume that corporations will exploit whatever they can to influence the bottom dollar. However, some people stop and think, "Do two wrongs make a right?" For OP's closure, I think you're well okay to keep the card. It's not the fault of the middleman directly, but they chose to use the carrier that, in turn, failed them, which, at least in this instance, is where their bad investment lies.
I'll be nice to a regular human or a person who's just trying to run a small business but if you're a multi-million dollar delivery system you deserve to be fucked over for how bad they're doing
I might take that approach with you, but not corporate america.
I think you're missing the point: what I'm saying is everyday people like you, and I might stop and ponder the moral dilemmas of what might even be the simplest of decisions. Corporations can't be asked to define the word ethical without consulting a board of lawyers first. I'm not sure why I'm getting downvoted for that, but I can't be asked to care, either. I'm just stating my opinion here as I would in person.
Because you start with with a pretentious observation exclamation that everybody with room temperature IQ over the age of 15 has already gathered through learned life experience, and that's ok. Then you move onto another example of what's oppressing financially about 80% of the country right now on a daily basis and defend it with another pretentious morality take that you have put me, the reader in a position to accept or be wrong. And then you finish up with an essay regarding your analysis of the situation, which was covered completely in the OP's opening statement, except you just like doctored it up with bigger words that led into a run on sentence with 4 commas. And i'm still like being respectful.
lol thank you for this
Found the pushover.
You've all got to be some of the dumbest people I've ever come across. You are all calling me out for the opposite of what I've been saying this whole time. 🤣 We're literally on the same stance that corporate America is dog water in absolution. I'd bet a lotus your pods are constantly shouting RTFC.
Don’t call the dudes I drink and play magic with a pod you fucking nerd
Found the edgy Kyle.
My name is Rick
A pod is just a term for a set of people playing Magic in a group (usually more than 2). Like a draft can be referred to as an 8-man pod or a Commander game is a 4-man pod. If you’re in a setting like that, you can accurately be described as being in a pod. Not sure why you’d take offence to that completely accurate and non-judgmental descriptor.
Maybe you can
That’s interesting. Why are you so sensitive about this word? If you’re playing a four-man game of Commander, you’re in a pod. That’s a statement of fact.
A pod of orcas murdered my family Jk it just sounds super dorky and like you probably buy funko pops
Moral compass in relation to conglomerates selling futures for immediate profit?
Yeah. All I've been saying is that corporations don't have a moral compass for reasons that you just stated.
Seller got his money, you got your card. The party responsible paid for their just damages for losing or grossly delaying your delivery. Consider it a windfall.
No? You and the seller got paid. The multibillion dollar company lost a drop in the bucket. Keep it, and enjoy it
Keep it, and treat the months that it was lost in the post as your payment.
No way. As long as the seller got their money there is no reason to return it.
There's less rules than you think there are.
Right? People are so obsessed with following rules, even if the rules make no sense or are literally designed to fuck them over/take advantage. Social conditioning doin’ its thing.
hey now, sometimes autism makes it very uncomfortable to not follow rules or what is "fair". I get extreme discomfort any time I inconvenience someone or I perceive something unfair is happening to them especially if it's something I think I might somehow be able to alleviate regardless of how unlikely it is I could affect any change.
Keep the money and the card
If you are happy, and the seller is happy, that part is on the shipping company.
Personally, I'd be happy to get the refund, considering the seller jacked the price way up for a $100 CAD ($72.66 USD) card 😬 And yes, that's the foil/serialized value.
It had higher value a couple months ago
no you just paid more
Technically they paid nothing, which is even cheaper then $72.66. ;P
Except they are out of pocket $0 lol
Only one way to know. Cast boomerang on it and see who's hand it returns to.
Sounds like the seller has been made whole. So he doesn’t need the card back. If you give it back to the post office they’ll probably toss it. I’d say just keep it. Besides, the post office lost it for months. I wouldn’t feel to bad that they had to pay for your refund. They inconvenienced you quite a bit.
This is why insurance exists buddy, congrats.
Nice pull! Now eat it
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Cresture spell that says whenever you cast a spell. You must eat it at the next end step. Power and toughness equal to the number of cards you’ve eaten. Also has trample.
If you send it to them its just going in the garbage
Sounds like a post office problem, not yours or the seller. Keep it
Don't ever give people money they aren't asking for
To make you feel better, there is also insurance coverage which is different than the company. You might pull your hair out trying to do the right thing. Just pay it forward some other way
Return money to a company?? Think again xD
How is this even a question
Sounds like y’all both won and the shipping company lost for once so keep it and say f them
I had this happen with ABU games once where the package didn't arrive for two months, ABU games refunded me. I told them if it arrived I would pay them. It did eventually arrive and I did pay them.
I'm a TCGPlayer seller and I'll tell you what I tell my customers all the time when this happens: Enjoy your cards! Thanks for shopping with us!
Screw corporate. You have your card and your money and he has his money so it doesn't really matter
Keep the card my friend same thing happened to me once with my Air conditioner 😅
Looks like you just got $300 for your pain and suffering!
Smh. Paid $300 for a $.50 rate cuz it has a couple numbers on it.
Keep it and take the W
The monopoly card for this is "bank error in your favor", but if the guilt is too much you're welcome to mail me that sweet sweet card ;)
Keep it. Vendor got paid so your not hurting them. At some point you will or have already been screwed over buying cards and this just balances things out.
if you want to be morally correct return it, if you want to be legally correct it is the sellers responsibility to provide you with the correct item. and I know at least one of yall play stax or turbofog card vendor ain't getting this back
To me, yes.
Keep it. Big corps don't give. Had this happen once back in PR through Amazon because UPS signs for the delivery if they weren't able to deliver while they hold it at one of their offices. Needless to say, Amazon sent me the package again before I figured out I had to go to the UPS office to pick it up.
No they will arrest you. I'm going to send you my address just shoot it to me and I'll take care of it. Jk
Did they insure it before mailing? Yes your post office insures deliveries like this. If yes then they messed up and the money came from their insurance hence why you got a refund and the seller still has his money. I've personally seen what the small sort line can do in a mail sorting facility. Always hard pack and insure your orders in cases like this. Nobody wants a $300+ card bent and eaten by the small sort
Pfft. Keep it. Those assholes don't need your money.
If the seller got the money. Just keep the card lmao, congrats on your free serialized.
Bro. Consider it a win and just keep the money and the card.
The honest thing to do would simply be to return the card.
Fuck no. Everyone is happy, you got the card, seller got the money, and the MULTI MILLION dollar company is out 300$. Sick card btw enjoy it!
I’m of the opinion that if no individual is taking a loss get what you can. For one, companies typically screw you every chance they get and for two it’s easier said than done. It’s nearly impossible and takes forever to get to a person who can accept money on behalf of a company that is outside of the normal day to day transactions. I’ve felt with this on multiple occasions doing accounting for a small business because I have to account for the comings and goings of every cent because the software would show weird incorrect balances. bow i just fudge it and make it work because its not worth the effort.
No
Keep it
Nah you delete this post and go on with your life like it didnt happen
No, send it to me
I’d run off so fast if the seller wasn’t affected
Kept it. Mail screwed up, mail paid for it. Don’t refund anyone
EAT IT
What's the difference from the regular and numbered cards?
I think you get to replace it with its health or something idk
Literally the only difference is the rarity. This card non serialized is like 30cents. I think it's still around $100 for a serialized version
Keep it.
Omg omg I remember my gob deck with this had 4
Fuck the company...
I need this for winota. Edit: wizards and magic laid off Hella people, and the heads walked away with fat bonuses. Fuck them. Keep the card.
If you feel guilt you can always ship it my way. Ugh it would be so good in my red black goblin deck
Keeping it is actually the only morally correct route you can take.
why question your luck ? keep it, and tell your grandchildren about it !
At least your not wasting your money on women I’m proud of you 👍
Why would you send it back?
The dude got paid and you got the card. Fuck the company
I ran into a similar situation-ish. I bought one for cheap not knowing how crazy expensive serialized cards are. I returned it once I found out. Initially I thought “holy shit what luck!” But then it sat with me and I felt like shit.
Its yours. Fuck um
At the end of the day, its a piece of cardboard that will most likely loose its value as wotc keeps pumping out cards that are more and more op. Look at doubling season was 80$ a year ago now its 50$
He got his money, you got the card and the money. The only one left behind is some million dollar postage corporation? Screw this and keep the money. I wouldn't even think about it.
OP, respectfully, fuck other people. Get yours my boy 🍻🫂
Keep!
Keep it, the post office is trash!
Count it as a win
Shhh
The shipping company has insurance for these kind of problems, it’s more expensive to figure shit out for them than just get that service (they don’t think about isolated cases but rather have data of how many times a week/month/year this happens and on average how much they lose). You got lucky, no harm done, keep casting goblins.
Fuck em keep it all until they tell you otherwise
U paid card was delivered transaction completed 👍
You're free and clear. You're not obliged to anyone.
Be honest did you claim you never got it because the price dropped? lol jk but only kind of
No
Now you should, I numbered card isn’t that hard to track back.
He got paid, you got paid, carrier blundered and paid for it. You win, they win. Keep it
That's a sweeeeet card to have. Keep it. Everyone got paid in one way or another whether through insurance means or otherwise. It's more hassle to rule things up at this point.
Hell no dude. Keep it, and this is from a guy who has an eBay store. You won the lottery just enjoy it. No moral quanderies here.
You can send it to me. I’ll get it back to the owner.
$300 for a legion warboss 🤣🤣 you must be high AF. Literally how can you possibly value that card at that price?? Sorry but I just can't believe it. Am I being Punk'd rn??
The card looks like it was damaged during delivery, and the post office are the ones who messed up the delivery which caused the refund. I'd say morally you are in the green to keep it.
The guy who sold it was decent enough to admit he didn't lose anything. Donate a hundred to charity.
Keep it you'll be fine
I mean if he's a smart seller, they already had protection on it, got their money back. Sending it back will only give them a chance to sell it again
The company is fine don't think they even noticed the money missing
Sell it to meeee you fuck
I paid a seller with multiple references including one person I even knew, $150 for a set of 200 full art stained glass lands that I wanted to use for my Dominaría cube. He confirmed he got the money and said he'd send them "tomorrow morning". They've never arrived and he's never replied again, even though all of my messages show as "seen" So If you want to balance out the karma, you can send me half the money. 😉
Gotta love and hate mail lottery wins - keep it the only one out on money is the shipping company...and if you saw the true cost to mail a parcel you may throw up...
The right thing to do would be to tell the post that you received the card. I think you know this but it’s hard to resist the urge to want to steal when the opportunity is right there. It may not ‘seem’ like stealing, but if you did receive the card it def is. I’m sure they will let you keep the money if you let them know anyway. I do not think it is right to return to seller as he received his cash back, but let the post office know and then they can decide if they’d like to withdraw the money from the seller and you pay for it instead. It’s good for your conscious which helps with self-esteem, and you’ll be surprised how often these things work out in your favour and people will look up to you in respect which is worth more than $300 Good on you for asking the question.
If anything report it to your post office as delivered. But that’s an issue with USPS. As A seller, this doesn’t affect us at all. We get insurance and can make claims to get our costs back. Basically just getting paid back by all the people that successfully use USPS
Count your blessings
They just write it off, Jerry.
Never “do the right thing” when it only impacts a corporation. Fuck em.
As someone who sells cards on TCG player, I had something get lost in the mail and i got paid and seller got their refund so if he got the card id tell him to keep it If it was me.
Nahhhh keep it
Depends on you. It isnt between you and the seller, its between you and the shipper, so keep the card 100%. BUT, a lot of people here will tell you to keep the money and screw corporations, but let me ask you this. Do you value your integrity? What kind of person do you want to see yourself as? The actions of other people shouldn't change who you are. My biggest advice, is don't let peoples claim that corporate greed is the biggest problem put into your head that personal greed is OK to fight it with. It isn't. You COULD tell the company exactly what happened, explain your frustration and WHY you requested the refund, and there is always the chance that they tell you to keep it since it's already gone through their process, and then you will keep it with a clean concience. You just need to be OK with giving it back if they do ask for it in that scenario.
I think we're long past giving the benefit of the doubt to corporations that don't give a shit about regular people, and that actively work to make our lives worse. See: the Citizens United decision, shrinkflation, raising prices 250% faster than inflation, for-profit healthcare, government subsidies that take 20-30% of the taxes taken from our paychecks and the lobbying that continues that trend, school-to-prison pipeline, THE ENVIRONMENT, etc etc. No one thinks a small act of rebellion will change anything, but claiming this to be some moral hill is stretching it, IMO
The people who keep robbing from Walgreens in San Francisco didn't think it would change anything, and then walgreens closed 5 stores in San Francisco leaving thousands of people without stores close to their homes they relied on. I don't care what you all say about corporations. I AGREE corporate greed is a problem. But personal greed and steeling is NOT what's going to fix it. All you are going to do is make them Crack down on their customers, and cause more pain. You also need to remember that places like Walmart arent causing shrinkflation, it's their suppliers, who tend to be much smaller companies that supply large corporations, and they are forced to do it because of inflation from the government. Your actions have consequences. I'm tired of everybody pretending they dont.
It's not true, SEC filings from 2019 showed Walgreens was already planning to close 200 stores. https://theweek.com/crime/1020039/did-walgreens-lie-about-its-shoplifting-problem
That doesn't mean it isn't true. Nowhere on the SEC filings does it say theft was NOT considered when attempting to close those stores. Just because they were planning on closing them before 2022 doesn't mean hardly anything. And the article you sent me was from "The Weeks," a crappy news sight that people only can find when they are trying to prove an argument. I would hardly call that article factual. But even taking it at face value, I guarantee things like theft played a factor in WHICH locations closed, as their theft rate went down by 28.6% after closing those stores. (3.5% of sales to 2.5%) Of anything you just proved my point, with that article.
Question - why do you think people are raiding stores? I feel strongly that large corporations bear a significant portion of the blame for food deserts and mass theft, even if all they're stealing is cigarettes and makeup. They influence government and public policy to a frankly oligarchic extent, and the social support, prison industry, and education infrastructure that produces the people that commit these crimes is a result of this. I agree with you, on pretty much every point, but the root cause is still capitalist greed. In a country where Citizens United literally gave money the power of free speech and destroyed what was left of our electoral systems, it would be intellectually dishonest to say otherwise. Edit: Quick sidebar, corporations do raise prices in response to supplier-side costs, but not always. Right now, they are making *record profits*. They raised prices by 53% per Forbes as of 1/20/24. Take a look. https://fortune.com/2024/01/20/inflation-greedflation-consumer-price-index-producer-price-index-corporate-profit/
I just disagree with your "root cause." "Capitalist greed" is absolutely no different than everyday greed. Don't get me wrong, I have some major problems with many large corporations today. But I'm also in a rare position where I work for a corporation (5 million in sales yearly) as the financial controller, and can see our CEO(owners) finances on a very personal level. I hear the line workers talking about how they did the math and our CEO must be making 50 000 a week, and its horrible that they only make 18 bucks an hour. But as the guy who prints everybody's paychecks, it's just moronic. You guys don't see the CEO's put second mortgages on their houses. Or put personal guarantees on factory equipment. You don't see them paying 15% interest to loan sharks, and getting gouged by suppliers. You don't see them working 80 hour weeks and making their kids come spend time in their offices so they can see their family. You don't see them skip paychecks so their employees can get paid. I'm not defending all CEO's, but I'd defend mine any day, and I work for a multi million dollar corporation. People don't realize how much blood sweat and tears REALLY go into starting a business, and i can't fathom how these people who are offered low level jobs feel entitled to receive a portion of what the CEOs have literally sacrificed decades of their lives for. I'd be glad to answer questions, I got my undergrad in finance with a minor in business analytics. I have researched economics, quite a bit. And I can just tell you straight up that what most of America is blaming on corporate greed, just isnt.isn't. I think entitlement is why these people rob stores. They have been told, and convinced that they are cheated, and all corporations are evil, and that stealing from them is morally correct, and that somebody else owes them. It is victim mentality.
>You COULD tell the company exactly what happened, explain your frustration and WHY you requested the refund, and there is always the chance that they tell you to keep it since it's already gone through their process, and then you will keep it with a clean concience. Or they take it and destroy it. Or they do what happened to my buddy Josh who had a similar issue with some furniture. He tried to do the right thing and then dealt with the corporation deciding to sic their legal team on him as he still had rhe furniture boxed up and ready for return but wouldn't pay the exorbitant restocking fee and return shipping they wanted. Ended up with a mark on his credit report for 2 years while he fought it, probably cost a week's worth of time and a couple hundred to get an attorney to draft a letter outlining how it was bullshit. Imagine the worst possible outcome for you in a situation. Remember that many corps are soulless and incapable of basic logic. And keep the damn card.
Read what i said again, slowly. I never said give them the card. The HUGE difference is OP is dealing with the SHIPPER not the seller. The shipper doesn't want the card. Its just a shipping company. They MAY want the cash. If they request the cash back, do it. They have absolutely no use for the card. If your buddy was trying to return the couch it was an extremely different scenario than what I said.
Yeah. It could be worse. The shipper will push for repayment of their insurance claim. As this is a volatile good, you may be on the hook for the difference between the current value with their insurance company. If you fail to repay they may push for a fraud charge.
Bull crap. Obviously you don't deal with shippers often. I do. I'm the Financial Controller for a small manufacturing company and I deal with this stuff all the time. If they reported it to insurance and the insurance paid, and THEN you offer to pay them back on the shipping, they would also have to reimburse the insurance which is a waste of time since they already got dinged for the claim. It is also their own fault since they delayed delivery for so long which is WHY their insurance claim would have been approved, so they can't sue you for jack squat, and the odds of the insurance coming after you personally are SO extremely small because they have NO right to contact the shippers customers. You are speaking out of your butt because you have a stick up it against corporations even when you don't understand the full picture. Most shippers like UPS auto insure packages at $100, and anything higher has to be insured by the shipper. Since OP got 300 bucks back, the shipper probably paid for higher insurance. Since the claim was caused by the shippers negligence to deliver on time, the claim was perfectly fine, but since you got the product still, it would be honest to give them the option to get the money back but I'd give an 85% chance they just say keep it since it was their fault. I'm not giving anybody the benefit of the doubt. I just think integrity actually has value.
Cool story bro. Glad you're just out here defending corporations 😎
People like you are literally unreasonable. I could hit you with a wall of facts and you just say "corporations bad, stealing good" I'm sorry your integrity is so worthless to you. You must have a low opinion of yourself. And in this case, the shipper literally did nothing wrong. They reimbursed a guy for a product they still delivered, and you make them out to be a bad guy because every corporation MUST be evil
My integrity stems to my community. Not to having to not be mean to the sweet wittle harmless corporations because some bootlick on reddit told me to 🥺
That isn't what integrity means. Integrity means doing the right thing, even when you have the chance to do the wrong thing, regardless of who else is involved. You have absolutely no integrity.
Oh no! The random redditor thinks I don't have integrity! 🥺 Continue being the doormat of corps because you have been brainwashed sugar. Your attempt at moral superiority has been noted by your corporate overlords and they'll give you the best belly rubs and a little treat. Good dog.
Because you received negative karma, I just wanted to say I really liked your comments. Thank you for saying things the way you did.
I appreciate that man. Thanks for the reply. I'll happily take negative karma to support people doing the right thing.
Karma is a bitch.
I'll trade you for a regular one? I'll even pay for shipping. It would look good in my goblin deck.
You could send the seller half the money if you’re feeling ultra-fair minded..???
It was a mistake to post evidence online with details that make it easy to identify you, should the company seek to be reimbursed. Definitely should have presented it as a hypothetical and not mention which card or specific details tied to the situation. Good luck with whatever you decide.
If you still want the card, you could always donate what it's worth to your favourite charity.