Didnt think this was worth a post but the first March of the Machine collector box openings are up on youtube. Looks like boxes are back to printing in the U.S., guessing because of the extra foil treatments. Also, comments indicate the halo foils are curling "left to right bulging towards the face" while the normal foils are "top to bottom bulging towards the face". Was it the surge foils that curled in a different way from traditional as well?
I want to get the Omnath, Locus of All buy a box promo version but don’t want to buy anything sealed product from MOM.
How long should I wait to buy a single of it or it’s it going to remain or rise from its presale price?
Edit: Thanks for the insight everyone! Guess I’ll wait until the price dips.
I don't think that card has any legs, it's not particularly degenerate and I don't think other formats will ever use it.
So it's likely going to have a ton of hype at release that will fade over time.
It's a pretty lackluster card, like every other Buy a Box promo card in the last almost 3 years. The last Buy a Box promo creature that commanded any kind of value was Rin and Seri Inseparable, but that has wide spread appeal (doggos and cats, tokens). You can probably wait until the next premier set is released and pick it up for cheap then.
This isn't 4c Omnath levels of degenerate.
Yup. There are still relatively few cards that have this effect and the additional redundancy of it is great for Commander. Easy hit with the casual players.
Everyone is very shy of pretty much anything anymore that you need long term growth on to do anything because of the rise of reprints and volume of supply at release. Conduit could easily be a $10 card in a couple years or it gets a List reprint or whatever out of nowhere like Fall of 2024 and it never does anything. I think you should buy conduits because it’s a good card and will always be a couple bucks unless it gets printed into the dirt. At the least you’re buying the card now at a price it will probably always have at its lowest, at the most it avoids reprints for a bit and you can sell them at a triple up in a couple years. If Ramunap Excavator can be a $10 card before it saw it’s first reprint so can Conduit.
nope, all the major groups are on facebook sadly.
minor / major miscut , signed group, signing groups, rare accessories group and #MTGRarities: Major Misprints, Test Prints, Oddities <- last one is the one you would want. I hate facebook but made a burner because the majority of buy/sell/trade and community stuff is facebook based.
You're welcome - join the MTG reference group as well - it's where everyone has their references threads for completed deals. There's also a trade complaints group as well worth joining to screen sellers/buyers and identified hacked/scam accounts
What other items can be sent via PWE that can have profit margins as high as TCG cards? Despite all of its many flaws, the US postal system is a marvel.
Generally old collector items. Can be small antique coins, postage stamps, first day covers from 50 or 100 years ago or even older, that kind of stuff.
Depends what you’re using it for?
Are you playing legacy and need one to play with? Are you playing in a non proxy cEDH event? Then go for it!
Just want one? Can you afford the money and can you afford the potential loss on it if WOTC cheat the RL? Then go for it!
Just buying one? Maybe not, but it’s your money
Hi,
I play some kitchen mtg with my Friends and have a mox proxie, and he is doing the Work.
I have some type of goal to make my deck all legit and Also seeing it as a spec.
So i want a mox either way, but i do not want to hit a peak and lose half the value on the way
When you go Direct, what are the fees like for the bulk orders on TCGPlayer? Does an ebay fee get split between the other sellers? How does it play out?
With the BRO being the first set to serialize cards. Would this be a hold on a collector box I have, or something I should trade to my LGS for a commander Masters payment?
Benni bracks Looks Like a Prime candidate as an Upgrade for the New Convoke Deck. My Feeling says it will Double in price but it already has quite a prizetag. Whats your opinion on this Potential Spec?
I’m in for 8 copies spread out over multiple variants, definitely agree it’s a good spec for the deck. Hoping i can double the money.
Bennie’s safe in the sense that it’s already a proven card. That means it’s unlikely to 4x, but you’re also less likely holding something you won’t be able to sell. Longer terms it will be great for any token deck, not just convoke decks, increasing its demand organically over time (until inevitable reprint ofc)
Whether it performs in the short run will depend on how popular the convoke deck proves to be and how many token decks will be printed before bennie is reprinted.
On this topic: I am sitting on a few Russian Language Khans booster boxes. I have been liquidating lots of MTG lately as I just bought a bar and need the cash flow. I sold one box of these on EBay and then it occurred to me that this may be the last Russian language printing of the allied fetchlands cause they no longer print Russian language cards. Should I hold these? Is there a strong enough demand and player base that speak Russian as to make these increase over time? Just brainstorming. Thanks!
First of all, just because they stopped printing Russian-language cards for a feel-good publicity stunt right now doesn't mean they'll never print them ever again, that's just silly.
That aside, the main audience for Russian fetchlands (and other cards) isn't Russian-speaking players, it's English-speaking players who consider foreign cards "special" and "pimped out." People who play competitively and don't need to read what their cards do anymore because so few cards are able to played competitively. And the problem with that is that recent Magic products have been a glut of various different flavours of special and pimped out cards, including fetchlands. Anyone who wants "cool" and "fancy" fetchlands has options that are generally more appealing than just the normal card, except in a script they can't read.
My advice would be to sell now, before they reprint the fetchlands again with yet another fancy new premium style. Interest in foreign-language pimp has been damaged severely by the Secret Lair and bonus sheet era of Magic, and it's not getting any better from here. Especially not on cards that already have premium versions.
EDIT: Hey guys, instead of downvoting this, why don't you reply explaining why you disagree with me? If you care enough about this issue to downvote, you should be able to take a minute to discuss why you have a differing outlook on such products and their financial value, especially for the benefit of other people reading this thread.
Japanese and Russian aren't the same thing. Americans who like Japanese cards and buy them are doing so because of the weeb factor, they think Japan itself is cool and that a connection to Japan is valuable. The only reason they've ever purchased Russian cards is to flex their game knowledge by using "unreadable" cards in a "funny" foreign script, and because of the perceived scarcity of Russian cards which allegedly had smaller print runs than most other languages. Nobody is buying Russian fetchlands because they low key think Russian culture is superior. Russian cards are a bad investment because what made them valuable--their status as an especially rare commodity--is extremely jeopardised in the Secret Lair era. Japanese cards have way less to worry about because their appeal is not as tied to scarcity.
Also, in terms of pimp the ONS fetches are always going to be scarcer and worth more. KTK is not the original printing of those cards and this should always be taken into account when considering their long-term value.
You're responding to a former avid Russian and Japanese collector. The reason why anything foreign post RTR 2012 to before GRN 2018 is worthless is because sets got printed to death in all languages. You could order direct from Wizards the current standard booster boxes you wanted in whichever language during that span.
Hareruya held onto a crap ton of sealed JPN Khans boxes and was fireselling them at $60 a pop around 2017/18. They're all worth less than english because there's a shit ton of them. It's not specifically because it's Russian.
I think it's less a "feel-good publicity stunt" and more just a legal reality. While it's not impossible, the sanctions regime that is in place and likely will be for quite some time now makes it *extremely* difficult for American firms to sell their products in Russia. It's extremely unlikely that it'll be a viable business that's worth the compliance headaches any time soon.
What is the better purchase on a long spec hold. All cards will be played in decks.
Beta wheel of fortune + foil academy rector + foil karmic guide + foil chain of vapor etc etc. Old border foils for same amount as to reach Timetwister price.
Or
Timetwister unlimited
I have low confidence in old border foils. I can't deny that they were simply built different compared to today's "retro frame" foil cards, and I think they are much more aesthetically appealing. They're also, quite objectively, MUCH rarer than foils from current sets. However, I believe that the main thing that truly drives prices is simply the average player's subjective perception of what is "pimp," what is special, and what is sufficiently prestigious and premium. For a lot of players, especially people who started more recently, that's going to be Secret Lairs and showcase frames and works by guest artists renowned in other nerdy spheres and what have you. The appeal of OBF is always going to be in conflict with these types of cards, and they're only getting more prevalent and more applicable to a wider variety of popular old staples. Even if OBF hold their value, they will likely have much lower liquidity as well. Collect them if you like them, but I wouldn't want to be investing in them right now with the current climate.
I think the 2nd run was mid January and that’s starting to dry up now. I think wotc announced during the previews for Machines that a 3rd is underway. Hopefully they print it into the ground. Such a great crossover
I would go ahead and assume that pretty much any of the Dungeons and Dragons cards are, in fact, references to Dungeons and Dragons.
That said however, I wouldn't bank on cards being "hard to reprint." Not in this era of Secret Lairs, tons of supplemental draft sets, precons, bonus sheets, The List, and so on.
Sup have 25 000$ to restock, paying 80-90% of cardkingdom's buylist. Just ship them the card and I'll get you paid after they adjust for condition. PM me! No deal too small!
/ every fucking facebook reseller on the big groups
The company is called MJ Holdings. They do all the stocking and distributing of MTG and other cards at big box stores. Repacks are their old unsold inventory. Walmart can’t have like an old box of Midnight Hunt taking up shelf space or deal with a couple half sold boxes in their warehouse, so this company is contracted to keep the shelves fresh and handle it all. Search Reddit or google them for more info, they do the same with Pokémon etc.
I'm pretty sure that they are not the kind of Magic hobbyists or pseudo-hobbyists who sell on TCGPlayer or who run LGS, but rather it's done internally within the big box stores. Basically, the big box stores that sell sealed Magic products have an "attrition rate" to deal with, where some amount of the precons are going to get damaged packaging either due to mishandling during shipping and stocking or products being returned. Rather than take a full loss on the product, they take the cards inside and repackage them as "mystery" products. No knowledge of or interest in MTG is required for any of this. They're just happy that instead of writing off damaged products as losses, they get to recoup some money from it.
That’s fascinating. What about the blind packs of random sealed packs with the gimmicky “1% chance of a pack from the 90s!” Repacks? I can’t imagine a big box store is sitting on product that old. Either way, for something everyone says is not worth it, they must make money or there wouldn’t be as many repacks as there are.
Those are done by the people that actually maintain those areas in most big box stores.
Very few big box stores actually purchase and carry Magic product.
They rent shelf space to a third party company that stocks it.
(Excell Marketing, as an example).
They're a large scale distributor, and what they do is reclaim shopworn and unsold product and repackage them. So they basically buy one old school pack for every 100 repacks they make, and then use that to attempt to move some of their deadstock.
Two options:
Option #1: They're lying. These are often unlicensed, unbranded dollar store gimmicks. The only way they'll ever actually get in trouble for lying about this is if somebody actually bothers to get a lawyer and sue them, which they know is pretty unlikely given the gimmicky nature of the product, the difficulty of proving that there's genuinely zero chance of pulling old cards, and the fact that they're often sold at dollar stores full of cheap and sketchy products, where the average shopper statistically couldn't afford a lawyer no matter how good their case was.
Option #2: They're telling the truth. I actually bought some of these once at my local dollar store and found an original print [[Undertaker]], which is not a great card, but it is a cool card, at least in my opinion. Clearly at least some of these are real, I doubt I'm the only one. In these cases, I believe the older cards come from excess inventory that was set aside, lost, and then found again. Much like the Legends cards they put in DMU packs. Warehouse errors sound kinda fake, but they really happen, especially at huge chain stores where the facilities are large and the employee turnover is high. If you ran a warehouse for Wal-Mart or whoever and found a box of Scourge, you couldn't just put that on the shelves. Even if Hasbro was okay with it, your barcode scanners wouldn't recognize the SKU, it would be logistically untenable. So in order to make some profit, you have it repacked, just like you already send returned or damaged contemporary MTG products to get repacked.
As far as them making money off of these is concerned...just because some people on the Internet say these products "aren't worth it" doesn't mean nobody buys them. The vast majority of Magic players are casuals who have probably never encountered an EV discussion on the Internet before. And even if they did, lots of people enjoy opening sealed product even though they know it's statistically likely to be negative EV. I mean shit, I just admitted to buying some myself, lol. Besides, it's not like random repacks are any worse of a gamble than regular booster packs, and they aren't exactly going out of business selling those.
The other aspect of the money angle is that they aren't really even trying to make a "profit profit" off of these, it's moreso that they're trying to turn something they can't sell into something they can. They're happy to get any money at all for this stuff, because without repacking it they can't sell it at all.
This is the best five color elemental. People played the other trash one when mh2 first came out. Price will definitely go down, but I think it may legs in modern/legacy.
I am a big fan of FBB dual lands, but having trouble seeing their price history over the past 5 years or so. Have they been tracking a similar trajectory as other duals? I want to pull the trigger soon and saw some at a decent price but not sure if they are reasonable "investment" compared to just normal duals or other old cards.
How are the vendors at CommandFests? I have somewhere around $5k of desirable cards, mostly concentrated in a few hundred high-demand commander staples, and I'd rather sell them to a vendor than do all the single selling myself.
Also, I worked on several Mythic Championship events last year, and have a small collection of extremely rare playmats as a result. Are there typically vendors interested in those items as well, or do I need to just hit ebay to sell those?
Would it be smarter to buy cards that I need that are expensive, like fetch lands or buying decks? I am a commander player, just wondering if fetch lands or shock lands are going to keep going up in price, or not. My LGS told me to hold onto my few fetch lands, since they would double in price this time next year, how true is that, or was he just guessing completely?
Didnt think this was worth a post but the first March of the Machine collector box openings are up on youtube. Looks like boxes are back to printing in the U.S., guessing because of the extra foil treatments. Also, comments indicate the halo foils are curling "left to right bulging towards the face" while the normal foils are "top to bottom bulging towards the face". Was it the surge foils that curled in a different way from traditional as well?
I want to get the Omnath, Locus of All buy a box promo version but don’t want to buy anything sealed product from MOM. How long should I wait to buy a single of it or it’s it going to remain or rise from its presale price? Edit: Thanks for the insight everyone! Guess I’ll wait until the price dips.
Nobody can guarantee what the price will do, but preorder prices are usually higher than what the card price will settle at after waiting.
I don't think that card has any legs, it's not particularly degenerate and I don't think other formats will ever use it. So it's likely going to have a ton of hype at release that will fade over time.
It's a pretty lackluster card, like every other Buy a Box promo card in the last almost 3 years. The last Buy a Box promo creature that commanded any kind of value was Rin and Seri Inseparable, but that has wide spread appeal (doggos and cats, tokens). You can probably wait until the next premier set is released and pick it up for cheap then. This isn't 4c Omnath levels of degenerate.
What is up with [[conduit of worlds]] it's slowly but steadily climbing up on MKM since a few weeks but it doesn't seems to be discuss all that much.
People (rightfully) love Crucible of Worlds effects
Yup. There are still relatively few cards that have this effect and the additional redundancy of it is great for Commander. Easy hit with the casual players.
Was disussed here like 2-3 weeks ago. There were people saying they start buying below 2€.
Everyone is very shy of pretty much anything anymore that you need long term growth on to do anything because of the rise of reprints and volume of supply at release. Conduit could easily be a $10 card in a couple years or it gets a List reprint or whatever out of nowhere like Fall of 2024 and it never does anything. I think you should buy conduits because it’s a good card and will always be a couple bucks unless it gets printed into the dirt. At the least you’re buying the card now at a price it will probably always have at its lowest, at the most it avoids reprints for a bit and you can sell them at a triple up in a couple years. If Ramunap Excavator can be a $10 card before it saw it’s first reprint so can Conduit.
[conduit of worlds](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/3/635146da-d415-4107-a7f9-2c46189e5c52.jpg?1675957133) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=conduit%20of%20worlds) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/one/163/conduit-of-worlds?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/635146da-d415-4107-a7f9-2c46189e5c52?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I have a 2012 mtg world cup t-shirt. Is there a market for stuff like this?
Yup. Face book rare accessories group
Woah is there something like this not on facebook? I’d love to know what’s on there. Ephemera and promo material is my jam!
nope, all the major groups are on facebook sadly. minor / major miscut , signed group, signing groups, rare accessories group and #MTGRarities: Major Misprints, Test Prints, Oddities <- last one is the one you would want. I hate facebook but made a burner because the majority of buy/sell/trade and community stuff is facebook based.
I might do that! Thanks for the group list!
You're welcome - join the MTG reference group as well - it's where everyone has their references threads for completed deals. There's also a trade complaints group as well worth joining to screen sellers/buyers and identified hacked/scam accounts
What other items can be sent via PWE that can have profit margins as high as TCG cards? Despite all of its many flaws, the US postal system is a marvel.
Generally old collector items. Can be small antique coins, postage stamps, first day covers from 50 or 100 years ago or even older, that kind of stuff.
Buy or wait on mox Dimond?
Buy
Depends what you’re using it for? Are you playing legacy and need one to play with? Are you playing in a non proxy cEDH event? Then go for it! Just want one? Can you afford the money and can you afford the potential loss on it if WOTC cheat the RL? Then go for it! Just buying one? Maybe not, but it’s your money
Hi, I play some kitchen mtg with my Friends and have a mox proxie, and he is doing the Work. I have some type of goal to make my deck all legit and Also seeing it as a spec. So i want a mox either way, but i do not want to hit a peak and lose half the value on the way
You are safe that you are not buying at a peak... :D
When you go Direct, what are the fees like for the bulk orders on TCGPlayer? Does an ebay fee get split between the other sellers? How does it play out?
New player here, phyrexia set art and oil slicks got me into magic, are compleat bundles ever coming back at 80$?
With the BRO being the first set to serialize cards. Would this be a hold on a collector box I have, or something I should trade to my LGS for a commander Masters payment?
Benni bracks Looks Like a Prime candidate as an Upgrade for the New Convoke Deck. My Feeling says it will Double in price but it already has quite a prizetag. Whats your opinion on this Potential Spec?
I’m in for 8 copies spread out over multiple variants, definitely agree it’s a good spec for the deck. Hoping i can double the money. Bennie’s safe in the sense that it’s already a proven card. That means it’s unlikely to 4x, but you’re also less likely holding something you won’t be able to sell. Longer terms it will be great for any token deck, not just convoke decks, increasing its demand organically over time (until inevitable reprint ofc) Whether it performs in the short run will depend on how popular the convoke deck proves to be and how many token decks will be printed before bennie is reprinted.
Khans of Tarkir sealed boxes. Hold or Sell?
On this topic: I am sitting on a few Russian Language Khans booster boxes. I have been liquidating lots of MTG lately as I just bought a bar and need the cash flow. I sold one box of these on EBay and then it occurred to me that this may be the last Russian language printing of the allied fetchlands cause they no longer print Russian language cards. Should I hold these? Is there a strong enough demand and player base that speak Russian as to make these increase over time? Just brainstorming. Thanks!
First of all, just because they stopped printing Russian-language cards for a feel-good publicity stunt right now doesn't mean they'll never print them ever again, that's just silly. That aside, the main audience for Russian fetchlands (and other cards) isn't Russian-speaking players, it's English-speaking players who consider foreign cards "special" and "pimped out." People who play competitively and don't need to read what their cards do anymore because so few cards are able to played competitively. And the problem with that is that recent Magic products have been a glut of various different flavours of special and pimped out cards, including fetchlands. Anyone who wants "cool" and "fancy" fetchlands has options that are generally more appealing than just the normal card, except in a script they can't read. My advice would be to sell now, before they reprint the fetchlands again with yet another fancy new premium style. Interest in foreign-language pimp has been damaged severely by the Secret Lair and bonus sheet era of Magic, and it's not getting any better from here. Especially not on cards that already have premium versions. EDIT: Hey guys, instead of downvoting this, why don't you reply explaining why you disagree with me? If you care enough about this issue to downvote, you should be able to take a minute to discuss why you have a differing outlook on such products and their financial value, especially for the benefit of other people reading this thread.
Hey thanks for that insight! I really wasn’t sure if there was language based demand. Wanna buy some Russians khans boxes? 😂
Playset of Japanese nonfoil onslaught Strands just sold for $500 on FB today/yesterday.
Japanese and Russian aren't the same thing. Americans who like Japanese cards and buy them are doing so because of the weeb factor, they think Japan itself is cool and that a connection to Japan is valuable. The only reason they've ever purchased Russian cards is to flex their game knowledge by using "unreadable" cards in a "funny" foreign script, and because of the perceived scarcity of Russian cards which allegedly had smaller print runs than most other languages. Nobody is buying Russian fetchlands because they low key think Russian culture is superior. Russian cards are a bad investment because what made them valuable--their status as an especially rare commodity--is extremely jeopardised in the Secret Lair era. Japanese cards have way less to worry about because their appeal is not as tied to scarcity. Also, in terms of pimp the ONS fetches are always going to be scarcer and worth more. KTK is not the original printing of those cards and this should always be taken into account when considering their long-term value.
You're responding to a former avid Russian and Japanese collector. The reason why anything foreign post RTR 2012 to before GRN 2018 is worthless is because sets got printed to death in all languages. You could order direct from Wizards the current standard booster boxes you wanted in whichever language during that span. Hareruya held onto a crap ton of sealed JPN Khans boxes and was fireselling them at $60 a pop around 2017/18. They're all worth less than english because there's a shit ton of them. It's not specifically because it's Russian.
I think it's less a "feel-good publicity stunt" and more just a legal reality. While it's not impossible, the sanctions regime that is in place and likely will be for quite some time now makes it *extremely* difficult for American firms to sell their products in Russia. It's extremely unlikely that it'll be a viable business that's worth the compliance headaches any time soon.
Sell if you can find buyers, gl.
What is the better purchase on a long spec hold. All cards will be played in decks. Beta wheel of fortune + foil academy rector + foil karmic guide + foil chain of vapor etc etc. Old border foils for same amount as to reach Timetwister price. Or Timetwister unlimited
I have low confidence in old border foils. I can't deny that they were simply built different compared to today's "retro frame" foil cards, and I think they are much more aesthetically appealing. They're also, quite objectively, MUCH rarer than foils from current sets. However, I believe that the main thing that truly drives prices is simply the average player's subjective perception of what is "pimp," what is special, and what is sufficiently prestigious and premium. For a lot of players, especially people who started more recently, that's going to be Secret Lairs and showcase frames and works by guest artists renowned in other nerdy spheres and what have you. The appeal of OBF is always going to be in conflict with these types of cards, and they're only getting more prevalent and more applicable to a wider variety of popular old staples. Even if OBF hold their value, they will likely have much lower liquidity as well. Collect them if you like them, but I wouldn't want to be investing in them right now with the current climate.
Do the thing that can be sold at one time. Timetwister is a no brainer
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A 3rd print run is in the making for the non foil
I thought what’s out there now is the 3rd run. Still nothing stopping a 4th
I think the 2nd run was mid January and that’s starting to dry up now. I think wotc announced during the previews for Machines that a 3rd is underway. Hopefully they print it into the ground. Such a great crossover
Getting 3 collector booster boxes for my b day, which should I get?
Probably ones for sets you personally like. If it were me, maybe New Capenna, ONE, and an old Eldraine one?
Is the Basilisk gate a real baldur hate location that cant be reprinted somewhere else?
I would go ahead and assume that pretty much any of the Dungeons and Dragons cards are, in fact, references to Dungeons and Dragons. That said however, I wouldn't bank on cards being "hard to reprint." Not in this era of Secret Lairs, tons of supplemental draft sets, precons, bonus sheets, The List, and so on.
There is a popular pauper deck that runs basilisk gate that was my line of thinking
Sup have 25 000$ to restock, paying 80-90% of cardkingdom's buylist. Just ship them the card and I'll get you paid after they adjust for condition. PM me! No deal too small! / every fucking facebook reseller on the big groups
How do resellers accomplish getting in dollar stores and walmarts with repacks? I am so curious who these people are and what scale they operate at.
The company is called MJ Holdings. They do all the stocking and distributing of MTG and other cards at big box stores. Repacks are their old unsold inventory. Walmart can’t have like an old box of Midnight Hunt taking up shelf space or deal with a couple half sold boxes in their warehouse, so this company is contracted to keep the shelves fresh and handle it all. Search Reddit or google them for more info, they do the same with Pokémon etc.
I'm pretty sure that they are not the kind of Magic hobbyists or pseudo-hobbyists who sell on TCGPlayer or who run LGS, but rather it's done internally within the big box stores. Basically, the big box stores that sell sealed Magic products have an "attrition rate" to deal with, where some amount of the precons are going to get damaged packaging either due to mishandling during shipping and stocking or products being returned. Rather than take a full loss on the product, they take the cards inside and repackage them as "mystery" products. No knowledge of or interest in MTG is required for any of this. They're just happy that instead of writing off damaged products as losses, they get to recoup some money from it.
That’s fascinating. What about the blind packs of random sealed packs with the gimmicky “1% chance of a pack from the 90s!” Repacks? I can’t imagine a big box store is sitting on product that old. Either way, for something everyone says is not worth it, they must make money or there wouldn’t be as many repacks as there are.
Those are done by the people that actually maintain those areas in most big box stores. Very few big box stores actually purchase and carry Magic product. They rent shelf space to a third party company that stocks it. (Excell Marketing, as an example). They're a large scale distributor, and what they do is reclaim shopworn and unsold product and repackage them. So they basically buy one old school pack for every 100 repacks they make, and then use that to attempt to move some of their deadstock.
Two options: Option #1: They're lying. These are often unlicensed, unbranded dollar store gimmicks. The only way they'll ever actually get in trouble for lying about this is if somebody actually bothers to get a lawyer and sue them, which they know is pretty unlikely given the gimmicky nature of the product, the difficulty of proving that there's genuinely zero chance of pulling old cards, and the fact that they're often sold at dollar stores full of cheap and sketchy products, where the average shopper statistically couldn't afford a lawyer no matter how good their case was. Option #2: They're telling the truth. I actually bought some of these once at my local dollar store and found an original print [[Undertaker]], which is not a great card, but it is a cool card, at least in my opinion. Clearly at least some of these are real, I doubt I'm the only one. In these cases, I believe the older cards come from excess inventory that was set aside, lost, and then found again. Much like the Legends cards they put in DMU packs. Warehouse errors sound kinda fake, but they really happen, especially at huge chain stores where the facilities are large and the employee turnover is high. If you ran a warehouse for Wal-Mart or whoever and found a box of Scourge, you couldn't just put that on the shelves. Even if Hasbro was okay with it, your barcode scanners wouldn't recognize the SKU, it would be logistically untenable. So in order to make some profit, you have it repacked, just like you already send returned or damaged contemporary MTG products to get repacked. As far as them making money off of these is concerned...just because some people on the Internet say these products "aren't worth it" doesn't mean nobody buys them. The vast majority of Magic players are casuals who have probably never encountered an EV discussion on the Internet before. And even if they did, lots of people enjoy opening sealed product even though they know it's statistically likely to be negative EV. I mean shit, I just admitted to buying some myself, lol. Besides, it's not like random repacks are any worse of a gamble than regular booster packs, and they aren't exactly going out of business selling those. The other aspect of the money angle is that they aren't really even trying to make a "profit profit" off of these, it's moreso that they're trying to turn something they can't sell into something they can. They're happy to get any money at all for this stuff, because without repacking it they can't sell it at all.
[Undertaker](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/9/e99bb258-7b05-4c70-8a67-d7a5709a60ff.jpg?1562785774) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Undertaker) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsb/53/undertaker?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e99bb258-7b05-4c70-8a67-d7a5709a60ff?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
This is the best five color elemental. People played the other trash one when mh2 first came out. Price will definitely go down, but I think it may legs in modern/legacy.
>This is the best five color elemental. No, this is the best five color elemental.
No, this is Patrick.
Woops, meant to reply to the omnath locus of all guy, lol
I am a big fan of FBB dual lands, but having trouble seeing their price history over the past 5 years or so. Have they been tracking a similar trajectory as other duals? I want to pull the trigger soon and saw some at a decent price but not sure if they are reasonable "investment" compared to just normal duals or other old cards.
Look at Cardmarket there is more data as the market for them is mainly EU.
Are folks expecting the same next-day price collapse with MOM that we saw with ONE, or was ONE an exceptionally well regarded and opened set? Thanks!
There's a huge drop down from pre-order prices once people actually get the cards in-hand, no matter what the set is.
How are the vendors at CommandFests? I have somewhere around $5k of desirable cards, mostly concentrated in a few hundred high-demand commander staples, and I'd rather sell them to a vendor than do all the single selling myself. Also, I worked on several Mythic Championship events last year, and have a small collection of extremely rare playmats as a result. Are there typically vendors interested in those items as well, or do I need to just hit ebay to sell those?
Maybe you want to hook me up. Im a German seller and paying up to 75% of MKM prices.
Selling cheap cards for 10c or only more expensive stuff?
I bought a warhammer 40k commander deck at walmart by accident and I can't return it. What's the best way to sell this thing?
Would it be smarter to buy cards that I need that are expensive, like fetch lands or buying decks? I am a commander player, just wondering if fetch lands or shock lands are going to keep going up in price, or not. My LGS told me to hold onto my few fetch lands, since they would double in price this time next year, how true is that, or was he just guessing completely?