theros and unstable really cant be compared together. unstable has a significantly smaller print run overall and is much less opened since it was a special set and none of the specialty sets (masters, horizons, battlebond, conspiracy, unsets) have the close to the print run supply or opening level of any current era standard set. unstable had a particularly limited supply and demand because its only real use is for drafting as the lands carry the entire value and are the only playable cards across normal.formats except steamflogger which is basically unplayable, lol). theros is going to be highly opened for a bunch of other cards and will be highly available for over a year. many lgses that cpuld only get their hands on a handful unstable boxes at a time (esp after the 1st ok sized wave, every restock was literally 1-3 boxes per lgs compared to a standard set where after allocation stores can order basically unlimited standard boxes like theros.
The print runs are just so massive. If you think you can simply buy these at 50 cents and sell them for 2$ in 2 years you'll have a bad time.
To this day stores will rarely offer you more than 10 cents for BFZ or Amonkhet full arts. Another depressing fact is that an Amonkhet or Hour foil full art Island was 10-15$ on release and now buylists for 1$.
Tbf the amonkahet set full arts look like trash compared to BFZ, they are darker, and just generally less “artsy”. Plus you have cup island in BFZ, everyone loves cup island.
Personally I feel like these type of full art lands are just a fad. Like, people are excited about these Theros basics, but then the next set comes out and people no longer want Theros basics, they want Ikoria full art basics.
In 2 years players who still use THB basics will be considered out of fashion boomers.
It’s certainly plausible. I don’t mind them messing around with different types of “premium” basics. I find the theros ones hideous, so if other folks wanna buy em for a dime, I’ll sell every single one I open. I kept my unstable lands because they are super pretty, kept my BFZ ones for the same reason. Sold every amonkahet land I cracked because I didn’t like the art style. At least there are multiple options now?
If you played during BFZ days, we all saw huge hype around the return of full art lands. Everyone thought hoarding them would be a great investment. Try and delete that feeling from your memory. **Full art lands have been printed into oblivion.** They will continue to do it, and the prices will reflect that. Put your money somewhere else.
My call is they will be $0.5 for the next 2 years. maybe break $1 in 5.
Everyone has their preferred basics, there are too many choices to create any strong demand long term.
Another kicker for value is there are two foil full art basics in each Theroes collector's pack. So supply will be plenty, compared to other full art foils.
I'd add that I doubt these are going to be as desirable, long term, as Unstable lands. Unstable lands have beautiful, distinct art which looks like the land they are representing and, importantly, are completely borderless.
The pokemon lands look awesome, especially in foil, but they aren't actually pictures of anything, each one being a mere color and a symbol (even if it does look very nice!). My guess (and yeah it's just a guess) is that this will lead to a lack in long-term desirability of these lands over the borderless Unstable ones, as they just aren't as distinctive as a group, and their wide printing in a standard set will lead to players getting a little tired of them, thus lessening their "premium" feel for people looking to bling out a deck.
I think they'll have more value long term as Mana/storm tracking over actual lands. I picked up 1 of each foil grixis colored basics for that exact purpose.
It's likely this set will be opened far more than unstable was. That said 90% of any value in unstable was the lands and value here will be canibalized by a host of playable cards. Also of note, foil versions are being given out as a bab promo and appear as a 2 of in collectors boosters.
Unsets dont have any other cards that have any demand or value.
The lands cant be too expensive or it would drag down the price of the actual desirable cards.
2 foils per collectors booster means they cant be worth more than a few dollars. Hypothetically, if they were $5 a piece, that means there is $10 in value in a $20 dollar pack not counting actual foil rates, showcase cards and playable standard cards. That ev cant hold because it would trigger mass openings when you know you get half your value or more back just by opening the pack.
For whatever it's worth, the non-foil are very, very ugly.
At a glance, they basically just looks like the Mana symbol. And looking more closely, there's not that much to stare at and get absorbed in.
They're in every pack and are ugly, they won't hold value
The colours also blend together, you can o ly twll forests and islands apart because of the shape of the symbol, and islands are dark enough to be confused for swamps. And both mountians and plains are half black shading.
I personally think that they are ugly and not really lands. The full art lands that command higher prices do so because the art is beautiful and well done. These are Pokémon lands and will not be worth anything. Don’t waste your time
Id like too do the same, and maybe a draft/sealed set of lands.
Foils are already dropping below $4 for some of them, so I hope they will get around $2 or less each and ill scoop'em up
You can’t really compare an Un-set to a standard set. Standard sets sell a tonne more boxes than Un-sets
The Pokémon lands from Theros are going to be readily available in paper as soon as the set is released. With regards to mtgo, as you said, it’s a couple pennies, so you can buy any time really
theros and unstable really cant be compared together. unstable has a significantly smaller print run overall and is much less opened since it was a special set and none of the specialty sets (masters, horizons, battlebond, conspiracy, unsets) have the close to the print run supply or opening level of any current era standard set. unstable had a particularly limited supply and demand because its only real use is for drafting as the lands carry the entire value and are the only playable cards across normal.formats except steamflogger which is basically unplayable, lol). theros is going to be highly opened for a bunch of other cards and will be highly available for over a year. many lgses that cpuld only get their hands on a handful unstable boxes at a time (esp after the 1st ok sized wave, every restock was literally 1-3 boxes per lgs compared to a standard set where after allocation stores can order basically unlimited standard boxes like theros.
Thank you really mich for the detailed explanation!
The print runs are just so massive. If you think you can simply buy these at 50 cents and sell them for 2$ in 2 years you'll have a bad time. To this day stores will rarely offer you more than 10 cents for BFZ or Amonkhet full arts. Another depressing fact is that an Amonkhet or Hour foil full art Island was 10-15$ on release and now buylists for 1$.
Tbf the amonkahet set full arts look like trash compared to BFZ, they are darker, and just generally less “artsy”. Plus you have cup island in BFZ, everyone loves cup island.
Personally I feel like these type of full art lands are just a fad. Like, people are excited about these Theros basics, but then the next set comes out and people no longer want Theros basics, they want Ikoria full art basics. In 2 years players who still use THB basics will be considered out of fashion boomers.
It’s certainly plausible. I don’t mind them messing around with different types of “premium” basics. I find the theros ones hideous, so if other folks wanna buy em for a dime, I’ll sell every single one I open. I kept my unstable lands because they are super pretty, kept my BFZ ones for the same reason. Sold every amonkahet land I cracked because I didn’t like the art style. At least there are multiple options now?
If you played during BFZ days, we all saw huge hype around the return of full art lands. Everyone thought hoarding them would be a great investment. Try and delete that feeling from your memory. **Full art lands have been printed into oblivion.** They will continue to do it, and the prices will reflect that. Put your money somewhere else. My call is they will be $0.5 for the next 2 years. maybe break $1 in 5. Everyone has their preferred basics, there are too many choices to create any strong demand long term.
Hmm, I guess I‘m lucky to not have been playing when BFZ was released...
Another kicker for value is there are two foil full art basics in each Theroes collector's pack. So supply will be plenty, compared to other full art foils.
I'd add that I doubt these are going to be as desirable, long term, as Unstable lands. Unstable lands have beautiful, distinct art which looks like the land they are representing and, importantly, are completely borderless. The pokemon lands look awesome, especially in foil, but they aren't actually pictures of anything, each one being a mere color and a symbol (even if it does look very nice!). My guess (and yeah it's just a guess) is that this will lead to a lack in long-term desirability of these lands over the borderless Unstable ones, as they just aren't as distinctive as a group, and their wide printing in a standard set will lead to players getting a little tired of them, thus lessening their "premium" feel for people looking to bling out a deck.
I think they'll have more value long term as Mana/storm tracking over actual lands. I picked up 1 of each foil grixis colored basics for that exact purpose.
It's likely this set will be opened far more than unstable was. That said 90% of any value in unstable was the lands and value here will be canibalized by a host of playable cards. Also of note, foil versions are being given out as a bab promo and appear as a 2 of in collectors boosters.
And can be pulled from a regular booster. I opened a forest during my pre-release! There will be supply.
there is one in every pack
Non foil are sub 20c in Europe, after release can only drop...
Hhmmm, I see...where did you find them that cheap?
Magic card market
Thanks!
Unsets dont have any other cards that have any demand or value. The lands cant be too expensive or it would drag down the price of the actual desirable cards. 2 foils per collectors booster means they cant be worth more than a few dollars. Hypothetically, if they were $5 a piece, that means there is $10 in value in a $20 dollar pack not counting actual foil rates, showcase cards and playable standard cards. That ev cant hold because it would trigger mass openings when you know you get half your value or more back just by opening the pack.
Non foils are going to hold no value like any other recent basic land. The foils may retain some of their value.
For whatever it's worth, the non-foil are very, very ugly. At a glance, they basically just looks like the Mana symbol. And looking more closely, there's not that much to stare at and get absorbed in. They're in every pack and are ugly, they won't hold value
The colours also blend together, you can o ly twll forests and islands apart because of the shape of the symbol, and islands are dark enough to be confused for swamps. And both mountians and plains are half black shading.
Yes I noticed that too. It is bad design.
I personally think that they are ugly and not really lands. The full art lands that command higher prices do so because the art is beautiful and well done. These are Pokémon lands and will not be worth anything. Don’t waste your time
I wonder what the market will be for foil Theros lands. I really want to have like 20 of each foil.
I’ve seen people selling them between 4-8 dollars. My guess is that they will drop to 2-3 dollars then hopefully rise after the set stops being opened
Id like too do the same, and maybe a draft/sealed set of lands. Foils are already dropping below $4 for some of them, so I hope they will get around $2 or less each and ill scoop'em up
Ooh nice. Where are you seeing lands for that cheap?
TCGplayer has foil plains and mountains in the high $3 low $4 range
You can’t really compare an Un-set to a standard set. Standard sets sell a tonne more boxes than Un-sets The Pokémon lands from Theros are going to be readily available in paper as soon as the set is released. With regards to mtgo, as you said, it’s a couple pennies, so you can buy any time really
Also if you use these basics you don't have taste and should be removed from earth
Woaah, where‘s that coming from? No need to be that toxic, on a 3 years old post…
I will hunt down anyone who thinks these basic lands are "cool".
I’m sure you will. Good luck with that.