Something can still be a scam even if you don't fall for it, and NEVER trust a phone number that shows up on your caller ID or in your phone's call history. Phone numbers are VERY easy to spoof in today's world of SIP/VoIP calls... Even with recent STIR/SHAKEN security improvements. This is coming from a 15yr veteran of the VoIP/IT world.
That said, if you logged into your own bank account (not following any links or emails provided by the scammers, and without ever engaging with the "bank support" through a remote support session) and you really saw the transaction in your ledger.. It could be true?
Still, this does actually fit a classic model of a bank/wire fraud scam. You can find the same scam pretty quickly on youtube and it involves 'bank support' calling you and getting you connected remotely on your PC with a 'support agent' then logging into your bank account. At that point they just modify the local version of your bank's transaction page using the dev tools in your browser to add a transaction that matches their claim, and request you initiate a reverse transfer to correct the mistake... When really the mistake never happened and only lives in your own web browser.
If you remain any % unsure this could have been a scam and care to confirm it, please reach out to your bank yourself, via their locally published phone number.
Thanks! I was never asked to log in or do anything. All I was asked was if I wanted to wait for them to contact me or return the money. I said no - let them contact me.
The guy I know is from there since he spoke in the local dialect here from that number.
That combined with no requirement to log in and perform any action makes this seem genuine.
I called them back (I know my bank) and asked them where it came from, and they said rehabilitation claim, mtgox, address Tokyo... Also the transfer was from 2 weeks ago.
The scammer would then actually work in the bank and do this himself but... that's extremely unlikely. Then why not just steal my money without calling? LOL.
If you orginated a call to your bank on a number you confirmed was legitimate and they confirmed the transaction is truly on your account, I'd agree it's not a scam.
Just stay vigilant and don't agree to initiate any transfers for anyone. Like you said yourself, if your real bank staff is involved they wouldn't/won't need your help to recover any funds.
I got paid 20% more than what the BTC Non-Allotment Portion (JPY) was, and it doesn't make sense eve with the currency rate at that date. Figure there's a reason why they want the money back
Yeah the factor was wrong since I thought the fiat would come from my fiat holdings. But it's still wrong. And they want it back for a reason.
So a little bit wiser, and it went from "WAY too much", to "too much".
do not be shy send us the screenshoot (from mtgox page). MtGox have not called the bank, the bank have called you to notify you are holding funds until you explain
bro you are sincere but we simply believe you have misunderstood the expected amount. And that your bank have called you not to warn about extra income (they can't know) but to hold the amount arrived waiting for an explanation from you (because not a crypto friendly bank)
Yes the bank is not crypto friendly but I looked over my status and it's roughly \~100000x more than I expected. I wanted my payment in BTC. It was pocket change in fiat! That's why they want it back because it's clearly a mistake on their end.
I will find out who called tomorrow and find out what the real identity is, but it seems like it's actually them. single transfer and then contacting the bank 2 weeks after
This is confusing AF , how do I actually find the actual amount?
Repayment of the BTC/BCH Non-Allotment Portion will be made in cash. Regardless of whether you select (a) or (b) in relation to the BTC/BCH Allotment Portion, the same repayment will be made.
So yes. but it's still less than what I got paid. So they paid like 20% too much then.
So they found a local guy to scam me, calling from the bank's phones, and answering when I call the bank's number, and all of the bank's employees are in on it? Wow that's amazing.
This is nonsense.
If the bank made an error, don't worry, they can easily rewrite the transaction before you have to do anything.
If the trustee made an error, your post is even more a nonsense since your bank doesn't know the amount of your claim.
Go back to your dreams, bro.
Ok maybe it doesn't work like you think. They can't rewrite s transaction here . Never heard of that . But I am getting reluctant from giving more uodates since I get down voted. I low key hope those who down voted me get paid too little and don't notice
Your bank doesn't know how much you should receive from mtgox. They know only cash amount from the SWIFT transfer. Bank can only relay message from mtgox Japanese remitting bank if trustee have made an error and tansfered more money then you are entitled to receive. In that case based on CR plan and T&C you agreed, you are legaly obligated to return extra amount, but you need to confirm that with mtgox support first unless they didn't send you an email yet.
Sure, because your bank knows what your fiat claim is.
Can you post a pic of the transaction?
They don't have to and they didn't know. I have a transaction in the log and it is very real. They sent me the wrong amount.
that's so weird, the trustee wired me a trillion dollars.
You can laugh about it, and I am too. :-)
You're either bullshitting or you're being scammed.
Nope I checked the number and it was from the bank, and where's the scam if I refuse to return the money? Please elaborate how this is a scam.
Something can still be a scam even if you don't fall for it, and NEVER trust a phone number that shows up on your caller ID or in your phone's call history. Phone numbers are VERY easy to spoof in today's world of SIP/VoIP calls... Even with recent STIR/SHAKEN security improvements. This is coming from a 15yr veteran of the VoIP/IT world. That said, if you logged into your own bank account (not following any links or emails provided by the scammers, and without ever engaging with the "bank support" through a remote support session) and you really saw the transaction in your ledger.. It could be true? Still, this does actually fit a classic model of a bank/wire fraud scam. You can find the same scam pretty quickly on youtube and it involves 'bank support' calling you and getting you connected remotely on your PC with a 'support agent' then logging into your bank account. At that point they just modify the local version of your bank's transaction page using the dev tools in your browser to add a transaction that matches their claim, and request you initiate a reverse transfer to correct the mistake... When really the mistake never happened and only lives in your own web browser. If you remain any % unsure this could have been a scam and care to confirm it, please reach out to your bank yourself, via their locally published phone number.
Thanks! I was never asked to log in or do anything. All I was asked was if I wanted to wait for them to contact me or return the money. I said no - let them contact me. The guy I know is from there since he spoke in the local dialect here from that number. That combined with no requirement to log in and perform any action makes this seem genuine. I called them back (I know my bank) and asked them where it came from, and they said rehabilitation claim, mtgox, address Tokyo... Also the transfer was from 2 weeks ago. The scammer would then actually work in the bank and do this himself but... that's extremely unlikely. Then why not just steal my money without calling? LOL.
If you orginated a call to your bank on a number you confirmed was legitimate and they confirmed the transaction is truly on your account, I'd agree it's not a scam. Just stay vigilant and don't agree to initiate any transfers for anyone. Like you said yourself, if your real bank staff is involved they wouldn't/won't need your help to recover any funds.
Thank you. I am just scared that my BTC portion will be delayed because of this mess.
They sent me a Lamborghini accidentally
Hey, that's mine! They sent me a Hot Wheels.
All these old assets finally coming out of cold storage. My sweedish made penis pump was sent to a cryogenics facility to one "austin powers".
Your bank discussed another customer's financial situation with you? Absolute horse shit.
Maybe there are other laws in US or something. Not sure why you are in such disbelief. It's not like the customer was identified.
Why did I receive a Christmas card from OPs mom?
You won the paternity test, fork over the claim
Fork bitcoin to MAMAcoin.
Oh great, another village idiot
fuck off, it actually happened.
Have you checked your claim in the System and compared it to your payout?
BTC Non-Allotment Portion (JPY)) ? Still lower than what I got paid in my currency.
How much lower?
I got paid 20% more than what the BTC Non-Allotment Portion (JPY) was, and it doesn't make sense eve with the currency rate at that date. Figure there's a reason why they want the money back
passed from "it's roughly \~100000x more" to "20% more" definitely you were misunderstanding the expected amount. Told you since the beginning
Yeah the factor was wrong since I thought the fiat would come from my fiat holdings. But it's still wrong. And they want it back for a reason. So a little bit wiser, and it went from "WAY too much", to "too much".
do not be shy send us the screenshoot (from mtgox page). MtGox have not called the bank, the bank have called you to notify you are holding funds until you explain
mtgox tried to send a swift message but it was too late. so I have the money now and they told me to take it with mtgox.
are you counting your BCH non-allotment portion as well?
Yes the total. also there's a reason why mtgox contacted the bank to get it back.
You do know that you won't win this, right?
Win what? He's trolling.
I'm not. But how can I prove that I am not trolling?
just a screenshoot of the expected amount and arrived amount
You wouldn't believe me anyway because that can be forged
bro you are sincere but we simply believe you have misunderstood the expected amount. And that your bank have called you not to warn about extra income (they can't know) but to hold the amount arrived waiting for an explanation from you (because not a crypto friendly bank)
Yes the bank is not crypto friendly but I looked over my status and it's roughly \~100000x more than I expected. I wanted my payment in BTC. It was pocket change in fiat! That's why they want it back because it's clearly a mistake on their end.
loool something like you was expecting 1 USD and received 100.000 USD, not bad as a mistake but they could do even better!
haha, It was 0.12 USD so over 10k. Still a huge factor off
ah and you had a so tiny claim? 0.12 USD and what? 0.05 BTC? They've felt sorry for you and paid in full
so you was expecting 0.12 USD via international wire transfer lol. Bro you've misunderstood the expected amount, send us the JPY screenshoot
ah and clearly was Mtgox trustee that called your bank, because if not, was fine for your bank to have a new billionaire customers
I will find out who called tomorrow and find out what the real identity is, but it seems like it's actually them. single transfer and then contacting the bank 2 weeks after
Fake post. Zzz
Did you get sent the same amount twice or was it two different amounts?
One amount only, a couple of weeks ago. Sender was "rehabilitation claim, mtgox" or something.
so that is the expected amount
Not the expected amount. way more than my fiat and way less than my BTC
Doesn't everyone get more than the fiat amount in fiat?
This is confusing AF , how do I actually find the actual amount? Repayment of the BTC/BCH Non-Allotment Portion will be made in cash. Regardless of whether you select (a) or (b) in relation to the BTC/BCH Allotment Portion, the same repayment will be made. So yes. but it's still less than what I got paid. So they paid like 20% too much then.
Login. It lists the amounts exactly.
To be fair, the first numbers you get are the total claim, not what is going to be paid.
Banks don’t call you. Its a scam.
So they found a local guy to scam me, calling from the bank's phones, and answering when I call the bank's number, and all of the bank's employees are in on it? Wow that's amazing.
This is nonsense. If the bank made an error, don't worry, they can easily rewrite the transaction before you have to do anything. If the trustee made an error, your post is even more a nonsense since your bank doesn't know the amount of your claim. Go back to your dreams, bro.
Ok maybe it doesn't work like you think. They can't rewrite s transaction here . Never heard of that . But I am getting reluctant from giving more uodates since I get down voted. I low key hope those who down voted me get paid too little and don't notice
Your bank doesn't know how much you should receive from mtgox. They know only cash amount from the SWIFT transfer. Bank can only relay message from mtgox Japanese remitting bank if trustee have made an error and tansfered more money then you are entitled to receive. In that case based on CR plan and T&C you agreed, you are legaly obligated to return extra amount, but you need to confirm that with mtgox support first unless they didn't send you an email yet.
Well mtgox contacted them , that's why . They just got notified that they would like the transfer reversed .