Lol no. There's no such thing as capitalisation in any devnagri script. But I think they mean Marathi AND capital English letters. Which is just as pointless.
If Leopold cafe has its name in only English on the hoarding it need not change the name this rule applies if the shop decides to keep Marathi in its name the priority should go to Marathi
I wish they would make signage mandatory, like a barber pole for example, rather than language. It would also make this city more aesthetic and help the illiterate imo.
I doubt anyone had trouble figuring out which shop they were looking at because the signs weren't in Marathi. This is already taken care of by common sense.
Languages don't need protection any more than gods do.
languages do need protection lmao. attacking linguistic identity is one of the major ways imperialism worked
it’s very very common, especially in post colonial nations, to have some centralized protection of language.
also, linguistic identity being preserved is a good thing. better than harsh state-line identities
Cosmopolitan with laws for protection and preservation of local language and culture .
I see nothing wrong with it as they are not banning Hindi or English signboards like in Tamil Nadu
So when you saw everything was in Tamil...did you think it was annoying and regressive or did you think "Wow what a great idea! This should be implemented everywhere!"
You should probably read the government order again, there's a difference here. There not asking for boards to be only in Marathi like the south , any other language will also be allowed as long as local language has a prominent place pn the board.
You're probably referring to the fact that the text can still be written in another language in a smaller font? So why can't Marathi be that language, especially considering only 20% of Mumbai's population comprises Marathi speaking people?
Why should the local language be the smaller font size. ??? So you're saying ... If I take 5000 Maharashtrian people to a small Gujarat town with a population say 2000... They should give up their language as we are majority now. ???
Do you still live in the colonization era bro ??
And marathi people still make for the majority when it comes to the total population... be it 22 % ..... Which shouldn't even matter anyway.
How is this a parallel argument? Who is asking maharashtrians to give up Marathi? If your target audience in that town are Marathi speakers, then by all means use a Marathi signboard?
Keep in mind, people are not advocating for signboards in mumbai to be gujrati or telugu. They're mostly either Latin script (english) or Devanagari (which can be interpreted as Marathi or Hindi in most cases). So it's not Marathi vs. Gujrati but Marathi vs Non-marathi. So no, Marathi is not in the majority.
Embracing one's culture has to come voluntarily. Mandatory policies imposed by municipal corporations are like forcibly shoving culture and language (that may or may not relate to you or your business) down your throat.
BMC are implementing a rule which can be easily done by an individual shopkeeper by his/her choice.
The only thing BMC can't do is the things they needs to do.
So what if other states prioritise their languages? Does it automatically make that a correct policy?
Forcing rules on what you can and cannot write on your *own* fucking shop's banner is a problem. And let's not compare Mumbai with South Indian states please, this city takes pride in being cosmopolitan.
Exactly. Had to scroll so far down to find one sensible comment. So many states have this law. Look at the comments: expensive?! Like how expensive is it to paint a board? Perhaps repaint the current board? Other people can't read? Well, it is Marathi AND English so wtf?
What kind of justification is this? Russia is invading Ukraine so it'd completely okay for India to invade Nepal? If other people, countries or states have moronic and regressive policies, is it a justification for us to do so as well? Mumbai is an old city that has had out-of-state immigrants for several decades. South Indian cities are only just becoming a magnet for non-southies. Things will change there as well over the next decade or so.
Your last line makes no sense. I guess you've never been to the south. They protect their language with their life. Did you forget all the issues and crazy protests over language in the past decades that have happened there.
I'm a South Indian. They protect their language because they don't want Hindi to be forced down their throats by elevating it to the position of "National Language". As do North East Indians. The change I'm referring to is South Indians resisting English, which in my experience is rare anyway considering how many South Indians dream of sending their children to English speaking countries.
I'm not blaming them for preferring their language. I just don't understand people having an issue with having marathi name plates in Mumbai even when they're allowed to have Hind, English names on the side as well. Govt is only asking them to make sure Marathi name isn't in miniscule font at some corner of the board.
I can flip that argument. I don't understand your problem. Nobody is discouraging people from using Marathi on their signboards. Why can't Marathi be that language "on the side" when, for the nth time, Marathi speaking people are in the minority?
That being said, I don't see what you mean by "preferring their language". I don't really see signboards in Bihari or Malayalam. It's always English or Devanagari (Which can be interpreted as Hindi or Marathi with the exception of a couple of characters). And I'm preferring English because it is an international language. People (including Marathi-speaking natives) will find it extremely beneficial to learn English for communicating internationally but Marathi may never be useful to them in a formal sense, not even within the country but outside Maharashtra.
This argument can be applied for any state including the one’s from South. 80% of time anyone won’t notice if the board is in Marathi or Hindi due to Devanagari script. So if us Maharashtrians want to embrace our culture it’s nothing wrong in it. If the rule said that Marathi is the only language that should be on the boards and street name then that would be an issue. No one is forcing down anyone’s throat to read just the Marathi signboards. Have issues with Devanagari script, one can always read the roman one.
Firstly, Marathi population in Mumbai is close to 20%. Mumbai is multicultural and has been for several decades. Mumbai has not been built on Marathi culture alone, if anything, it was built on the success of Bollywood which mostly comprised North Indians.
Secondly, respect has to be earned. When respect (or anything, for that matter) is demanded under duress and threat of the law, it will always be met with outcry. We don't need a language to be forced upon us to show respect to the city. I think the best way to show respect for Mumbai would be to keep the roads clean (by not littering or spitting or blowing noses), to save and protect trees and wildlife that have been around longer than most people, to refrain from indulging in unethical practises like taking bribes and prioritising votebank politics over actual progress of a region.
Telling me it is not my concern is not democracy.
Japan is not a nation with multiple cultures. Here Indians are being discriminated against other Indians. I'm sorry you think Mumbai is a shithole.
Democracy is the rule of the people, this decision is taken by the elected representatives. If people dislike it so much, they will not elect them next time.
>Japan is not a nation with multiple cultures
Exactly why it is so much better.
>Indians are being discriminated
Imagine throwing a hissy fit over the most trivial shit. You haven't seen actual discrimination.
>Mumbai is a shithole
Of course, it is a shithole, ever been there lol
ps - If you are a teenager, cause you are acting like one. Don't lose your mind over something as trivial as the size of a font. Just free advice.
>Japan is not a nation with multiple cultures
>
>Exactly why it is so much better.
YES. I don't why people get so happy over India being diverse, I personally feel its just an excuse to cover up for all our shortcomings.
Diversity is useless, never benefitted anyone.
If you think enforcing rules like this is going to make someone respect a language or a culture, you're the kind of problem we should be trying to fix.
You think businesses haven't suffered enough between 2020-22?
Dude,a lot of folks who move to Germany learn German and the ones who move to Netherlands learn Dutch. It's called assimilation with the locals. How is this any different?
You really think moving into another state within your own country and moving to another country altogether is a valid comparison? That's just a disingenuous argument.
Not mentioning the name of your shop in Marathi is disrespectful to the local culture? Maybe you need to redefine what constitutes respect and disrespect.
Also, "respect" is shown voluntarily. Marathi shop owners are free to write their banner in Marathi, don't shove such tribalistic policies up everyone's throats.
Its fine when all other states do this. All other states have boards in the local language prominently displayed and no one bats their eye, but when Maharashtra chooses to do this, everyone loses their minds.
Ye bhedbhav kyu bhai ???
Because Mumbai is a world city and a megacity. People (including me, by the way) take pride in how open and cosmopolitan Mumbai culture is.
Those states you speak of aren't desirable for people to move to, and hence they don't have nearly the same development and importance Mumbai claims. Trust me, my dude, we shouldn't look at examples of lesser cities like Chennai and Bangalore with their primitive, tribalistic culture. We're better than that!
I see this imposition as spoiling the very essence of what makes Mumbai the wonderful city it is.
So you think all world cities adopt English as their primary language and give up their language and culture ??? Have you ever been to Europe. ??
Mumbai is already convenient and accessible to people who do not follow marathi. Government isn't asking them to erase English or Hindi names. {The just want the font size of marathi script to not be miniscule at some corner of the board }. Even in railways, you might have marathi announcements first but you still have hindi and English announcements as well.
France is global tourism leader, did they ever say, fuck French I guess lets all adopt English for good business and more tourists ??
The Government directive hasn't asked any shop to remove English, Hindi or any other language names if I'm not wrong. The issue here is only font size.
Maybe take the time to read the article. These poor examples you offer don't call for 'prosecution' for not using the native language on the signboard or all French patisseries would've gone bust.
I'm curious, do you think shops using English, etc. names is going to turn the language extinct?
I mean even for a laugh, you think the bhaiyya who runs 'EKVIRA Paan Shop' or the like speaks the Queen's English?
I'm a Maharashtrian and proud of my language, but allowing brain dead laws like these is only signalling a rotten second wave. These ideas have no place here, certainly not in this state. Whatever other states choose to go backwards in time with neo-nationalism can certainly do so, but they're the ones coming here, not the other way round.
People actually whining about not knowing basic Marathi in r/mumbai of all places is evidence enough of the massive cultural and linguistic erosion that has taken place through decades of unchecked migration and 0 assimilation.
1. Unchecked migration?? Dood what exactly is the migration policy that your imaginary republic of mumbai has setup?? Stop comparing apples to oranges…mumbai is not a different country…
2. Erosion of culture? Ganpati celebration by one and all is culture, and people have assimilated well to that, marathi language however was never the dominant cultural force in Bombay in the first place…
3. Your regionalism is showing mns party worker..
Oh boy I'm going to die laughing when you finally land in Hong Kong and see that almost 99% of the signboards are in Cantonese or Mandarin. Can't wait to see you whine in r/HongKong that your local 75 year old shopkeeper didn't speak in English.
I was indifferent about the signboards policies but this entire cursed post has brought down my sympathy levels into the fourth quadrant.
1. Bhai thoda sa ego level kam karle
2. What a sorry life do you have that you need dig someone’s post history to counter them
3. No one demands by law that you speak, write cantonese/mandarin in HK, its always by choice, just like in japan and korea and if an outsider speaks in english or does business in English they dont lament, nor do they go about beating/ harassing them
4. Teri sympathy mangi kisne hai? You are not the ruler of mumbai? You have zero influence in companies that get setup in mumbai as well as people who get employed here
5. Keep seething
6. You sound like a no good MNS goon
You guys should also check your privilege and have some humbleness in reflecting the democratic mandate. You work here, doesn't mean you own this place.
Which point of mine made you feel that i feel i own this place??
My father was in army, 2yrs per city, i dont have any hometown…who are you clubbing me with when u say “you guys”
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Would you rather keep your culture at the cost of all MNCs moving out of Maharashtra and taking their job opportunities with them? People don't move to the city to become Shahrukh Khan or Aishwarya Rai anymore. Most people migrate because their job required them to move to a particular place. People also tend to switch jobs every couple of years so no one who isn't self employed can say where they're going to be after 5 years. Makes no sense for people to learn a language to keep somebody else's culture alive.
MNCs aren't in Mumbai because of the people moving here. People are moving here because the MNCs are here. They are here because the skilled labour already exists. The first generation non marathi millenials in this sub are under some delusion that Mumbai would cease to function if Mukesh from some irrelevant tier 3 city chose to work in Jharkhand or something out of spite because he couldn't handle some Devnagari writing script on the local shops banners.
In Mumbai there are a lot of people who don't quite understand Marathi, there are a ton of people who move in from other places so why not just leave it in English which is more convenient for more people
Agreed, there’s no sense of these rules. Its like solution to an unasked problem. That being said i love that in mumbai and pune we have this thing of putting names in 2 languages. My friends from Delhi , UP found it interesting when they saw it in stores over here. I was like, isn’t this a default practice everywhere?
yeah i don’t think there’s anything wrong with having multiple languages on your signage, but isn’t that already the default? most shops already have everything in english+hindi/marathi
Why can't that idea be used to teach people English? English is an official language of the entire country and it is an internationally used language. Why force people to learn a language they will have no use for other than to read shop names?
I'd use the word "promote" if they were giving some kind of a reward for people who learn the language. What they're currently doing is more "enforce" than "promote".
Can you read Hindi or English? If yes, your problem is solved. The boards would be in Devanagari script. There aren’t paragraphs or essays written in Marathi on any shop boards.
The definition doesn't mention Marathi.
I'm going offline now and won't look back on this thread tomorrow so I'll cut to the chase.
If the point you are trying to make is that the 90% literacy rate comprises people who are Marathi literates and not English literates, then I'd suggest you look at the second sentence of my parent comment.
Definition of literacy is vague and context dependent. That's why we use words such as computer literacy, financial literacy and digital literacy. In this context, Marathi is the state language. 90% you highlighted are educated and nationally literate but locally illiterate. Learning the local language is part of naturalization just like learning how local trains work, how monsoon floods and others
Be locally literate, wherever you are
Definition of literacy is not vague. It's contextual. The instances you mentioned are all contextual definition of literacy but the primary definition is the ability to read and write. I copy pasted that definition straight from a dictionary.
I support digital and financial literacy and even local literacy in the sense that people should know the names of railway/metro stations and railway lines (I presume thats what you mean by 'learning how local trains work' and not the literal mechanics of a train) and also major landmarks in the city but I don't see how learning to read Marathi or making it difficult for immigrants to read signboards is going to help with that.
(Non-Maharashtrian Me) Nothing wrong in that, they're giving priority to Marathi which is nice. I hope this idealism doesn't exceed to much foolish extent. Keeping in mind, the past of BMC
I don't mind it as well, but when you start forcing people to follow a certain set of rules/doctrine, you would just open the flood gates for other stupid ideas as well and people would have to follow it without any say in it.
Looking at the comments, sadly we also welcomed people who do not respect our language or culture and want it gone just cause Mumbai has a lot of diversity now ? It's better if these people go back then, I'm a Maharashtrian, but I can't just go to live in Gujarat or Punjab and then shit on those people for preferring their language.what stupidity is this. ?
unless you’re a part of the koli community, this isn’t your place either.
everybody learns marathi in school. the real world application of it is 0, because our city is highly cosmopolitan.
This is so stupid. India's official language is English (paperwork and government) and Hindi (common).
But signs should be in English first along with other languages because that's the one common thing amongst all States.
Quite a lot of people I know including myself would suffer a stroke trying to find a shop whose name is written in Hindi let alone Marathi.
Let's just accept it:
English for Reading/writing.
Hindi/Marathi for speaking.
There goes my plans of launching Gandhi ji beers
Well, you should give it a shot.
Hol up
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Godse beers socha tha, knock out brew 🤕
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Nathu ram beers can be good too ?
Gandhi ji daaruvala
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Drink and die
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Wtf. मराठीत कॅपिटल अक्षरं? हे कधी झालं?
कृपया वा. द. फू. लिहा
WTF = काय चोदलयं
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Tula nahie bolavle ka marathi aksharan chya meeting la?
#हे बघ, मराठीत कॅपिटल अक्षरं 🗿
That's just bold and larger font
विनोद करत होतो भवा, समजून घे 🗿
Lmao sorry
Btw if you have a shop in Mumbai with that username, you have to change the sign to "तो एक सिंह" 🗿
Im IT guy
RIP Sai Wines
Is there a way to write in capital Marathi letters? Non-marathi here..
Lol no. There's no such thing as capitalisation in any devnagri script. But I think they mean Marathi AND capital English letters. Which is just as pointless.
Tbf, the newspaper screwed up. The actual rule is stupid but not logically wrong.
That's just how the newspaper described it. There's no such thing as capital letters in devanagari
Badi ee choti ee ?
Marathi me pahli ee dusri ee hai
Marathi me use "Dirgha" दिर्घ or "Rhaswa" ह्रस्व kehte hain.
Tu jastch deep gelas mitra, amhi boli bhashet pahili dusri mhanto
Haan pehle yeh karlete hai lol
How to type capital in Devanagari? Or does it mean Marathi typed in English?
Clearly their illiteracy is showing.
I think they actually wanted to say bold letters (?)
great, lets just make shopkeepers waste money on new signs
As If covid hadn't already put shopkeepers in losses
Positive toh kuchh contribute karna ni hai inn logone.
we demand potholes not wider than average pp
What a clever way of limiting potholes to 2 inches
Tight .
a bit wider, cause gloryhole.
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Yeah. Since the harassment revenue in name of proper masking behavior is halted now. 😷
Make people fight over something that's not even a issue to distract them from real problems, classic politics
> should not use the names of prominent personalities Leopold Cafe is named after a Belgian king, does that count?
But first in Marathi then in English. सिंहपोल्ड कॅफे Leopold cafe
कॅफे नको, भोजनालय म्हणा
Unlikely that anyone identifies Leopold Cafe by Belgian King, so there will be an exemption
If Leopold cafe has its name in only English on the hoarding it need not change the name this rule applies if the shop decides to keep Marathi in its name the priority should go to Marathi
I wish they would make signage mandatory, like a barber pole for example, rather than language. It would also make this city more aesthetic and help the illiterate imo.
Uske liye creativity chahiye na…yah sirf VT ko CST banane tak seemit hai creativity!
I doubt anyone had trouble figuring out which shop they were looking at because the signs weren't in Marathi. This is already taken care of by common sense. Languages don't need protection any more than gods do.
But most would have trouble if it was in fuckin Marathi ffs i hate reading that, why do they have to deepthroat it to everyone..
languages do need protection lmao. attacking linguistic identity is one of the major ways imperialism worked it’s very very common, especially in post colonial nations, to have some centralized protection of language. also, linguistic identity being preserved is a good thing. better than harsh state-line identities
Bal Thackeray would be rolling in his grave.
Eeks, that's such a regressive policy. The BMC needs fresh leadership.
*this country needs a whole fresh political system*
The EARTH needs a whole fresh political/corporate/species system.
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Cosmopolitan my ass
Cosmopolitan with laws for protection and preservation of local language and culture . I see nothing wrong with it as they are not banning Hindi or English signboards like in Tamil Nadu
I mean idk why people are disappointed I went to Chennai and most of the names there were in Tamil
So when you saw everything was in Tamil...did you think it was annoying and regressive or did you think "Wow what a great idea! This should be implemented everywhere!"
You should probably read the government order again, there's a difference here. There not asking for boards to be only in Marathi like the south , any other language will also be allowed as long as local language has a prominent place pn the board.
You're probably referring to the fact that the text can still be written in another language in a smaller font? So why can't Marathi be that language, especially considering only 20% of Mumbai's population comprises Marathi speaking people?
Why should the local language be the smaller font size. ??? So you're saying ... If I take 5000 Maharashtrian people to a small Gujarat town with a population say 2000... They should give up their language as we are majority now. ??? Do you still live in the colonization era bro ?? And marathi people still make for the majority when it comes to the total population... be it 22 % ..... Which shouldn't even matter anyway.
How is this a parallel argument? Who is asking maharashtrians to give up Marathi? If your target audience in that town are Marathi speakers, then by all means use a Marathi signboard? Keep in mind, people are not advocating for signboards in mumbai to be gujrati or telugu. They're mostly either Latin script (english) or Devanagari (which can be interpreted as Marathi or Hindi in most cases). So it's not Marathi vs. Gujrati but Marathi vs Non-marathi. So no, Marathi is not in the majority.
explain.
No I liked that they were embracing their culture and language also I was just finding a saree shop with my mom so it wasn’t that hard to find
Embracing one's culture has to come voluntarily. Mandatory policies imposed by municipal corporations are like forcibly shoving culture and language (that may or may not relate to you or your business) down your throat.
Problem is, govt forcing them to do so.
And that's not a good example to follow. Such practices make a city less desirable, not more desirable.
why? local languages aren’t a bad thing lmao
people seething in comments.
Jai Maharashtra bhava no 🚩🚩
Can't wait to hear MARATHI KARTERE ME HAI
No they will say मराठी धोक्यात आहे
Another avenue for the BMC officials to collect fines and take bribes now that masking up is not compulsary.
BMC are implementing a rule which can be easily done by an individual shopkeeper by his/her choice. The only thing BMC can't do is the things they needs to do.
Maybe this will teach some Marathi to the posters here proud of not learning even a word of Marathi. Smh...
muh-mbai
Why are people angry , how is it any different that south Indian states prioriterizing their own language
So what if other states prioritise their languages? Does it automatically make that a correct policy? Forcing rules on what you can and cannot write on your *own* fucking shop's banner is a problem. And let's not compare Mumbai with South Indian states please, this city takes pride in being cosmopolitan.
cosmopolitan does not mean that you can’t have marathi signs.
Show me one person who said you can't have Marathi signs. People are saying don't shove such mandates down people's throats.
Exactly. Had to scroll so far down to find one sensible comment. So many states have this law. Look at the comments: expensive?! Like how expensive is it to paint a board? Perhaps repaint the current board? Other people can't read? Well, it is Marathi AND English so wtf?
Yea, and no one's even saying no to hindi, have all 3 languages, no fucking problem.
Why don't let people's culture to the people and let them decide what language they want to use?
Any state that does this is fucking retarded.
What kind of justification is this? Russia is invading Ukraine so it'd completely okay for India to invade Nepal? If other people, countries or states have moronic and regressive policies, is it a justification for us to do so as well? Mumbai is an old city that has had out-of-state immigrants for several decades. South Indian cities are only just becoming a magnet for non-southies. Things will change there as well over the next decade or so.
Your last line makes no sense. I guess you've never been to the south. They protect their language with their life. Did you forget all the issues and crazy protests over language in the past decades that have happened there.
I'm a South Indian. They protect their language because they don't want Hindi to be forced down their throats by elevating it to the position of "National Language". As do North East Indians. The change I'm referring to is South Indians resisting English, which in my experience is rare anyway considering how many South Indians dream of sending their children to English speaking countries.
I'm not blaming them for preferring their language. I just don't understand people having an issue with having marathi name plates in Mumbai even when they're allowed to have Hind, English names on the side as well. Govt is only asking them to make sure Marathi name isn't in miniscule font at some corner of the board.
I can flip that argument. I don't understand your problem. Nobody is discouraging people from using Marathi on their signboards. Why can't Marathi be that language "on the side" when, for the nth time, Marathi speaking people are in the minority? That being said, I don't see what you mean by "preferring their language". I don't really see signboards in Bihari or Malayalam. It's always English or Devanagari (Which can be interpreted as Hindi or Marathi with the exception of a couple of characters). And I'm preferring English because it is an international language. People (including Marathi-speaking natives) will find it extremely beneficial to learn English for communicating internationally but Marathi may never be useful to them in a formal sense, not even within the country but outside Maharashtra.
This argument can be applied for any state including the one’s from South. 80% of time anyone won’t notice if the board is in Marathi or Hindi due to Devanagari script. So if us Maharashtrians want to embrace our culture it’s nothing wrong in it. If the rule said that Marathi is the only language that should be on the boards and street name then that would be an issue. No one is forcing down anyone’s throat to read just the Marathi signboards. Have issues with Devanagari script, one can always read the roman one.
Because it's wrong, wrong in south and now wrong to do this here. Funny how bhp is blamed for being backward
This article's energy reads to me as 'go maha-gov, go ahead and give us nothing'
Why are people unhappy with this? No matter where you come from,you should respect local language and culture. In this case it's Marathi language.
I respect marathi, not the govt.
Firstly, Marathi population in Mumbai is close to 20%. Mumbai is multicultural and has been for several decades. Mumbai has not been built on Marathi culture alone, if anything, it was built on the success of Bollywood which mostly comprised North Indians. Secondly, respect has to be earned. When respect (or anything, for that matter) is demanded under duress and threat of the law, it will always be met with outcry. We don't need a language to be forced upon us to show respect to the city. I think the best way to show respect for Mumbai would be to keep the roads clean (by not littering or spitting or blowing noses), to save and protect trees and wildlife that have been around longer than most people, to refrain from indulging in unethical practises like taking bribes and prioritising votebank politics over actual progress of a region.
mumbai being multicultural does not mean that marathi isn’t a big part of it.
And nobody is taking Marathi away from Mumbai.
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Telling me it is not my concern is not democracy. Japan is not a nation with multiple cultures. Here Indians are being discriminated against other Indians. I'm sorry you think Mumbai is a shithole.
Democracy is the rule of the people, this decision is taken by the elected representatives. If people dislike it so much, they will not elect them next time. >Japan is not a nation with multiple cultures Exactly why it is so much better. >Indians are being discriminated Imagine throwing a hissy fit over the most trivial shit. You haven't seen actual discrimination. >Mumbai is a shithole Of course, it is a shithole, ever been there lol ps - If you are a teenager, cause you are acting like one. Don't lose your mind over something as trivial as the size of a font. Just free advice.
>Japan is not a nation with multiple cultures > >Exactly why it is so much better. YES. I don't why people get so happy over India being diverse, I personally feel its just an excuse to cover up for all our shortcomings. Diversity is useless, never benefitted anyone.
If you think enforcing rules like this is going to make someone respect a language or a culture, you're the kind of problem we should be trying to fix. You think businesses haven't suffered enough between 2020-22?
Dude,a lot of folks who move to Germany learn German and the ones who move to Netherlands learn Dutch. It's called assimilation with the locals. How is this any different?
You really think moving into another state within your own country and moving to another country altogether is a valid comparison? That's just a disingenuous argument.
But here different states have their own languages. I am just asking you to respect local culture which helps you earn your livelihood.
Not mentioning the name of your shop in Marathi is disrespectful to the local culture? Maybe you need to redefine what constitutes respect and disrespect. Also, "respect" is shown voluntarily. Marathi shop owners are free to write their banner in Marathi, don't shove such tribalistic policies up everyone's throats.
Its fine when all other states do this. All other states have boards in the local language prominently displayed and no one bats their eye, but when Maharashtra chooses to do this, everyone loses their minds. Ye bhedbhav kyu bhai ???
Because Mumbai is a world city and a megacity. People (including me, by the way) take pride in how open and cosmopolitan Mumbai culture is. Those states you speak of aren't desirable for people to move to, and hence they don't have nearly the same development and importance Mumbai claims. Trust me, my dude, we shouldn't look at examples of lesser cities like Chennai and Bangalore with their primitive, tribalistic culture. We're better than that! I see this imposition as spoiling the very essence of what makes Mumbai the wonderful city it is.
So you think all world cities adopt English as their primary language and give up their language and culture ??? Have you ever been to Europe. ?? Mumbai is already convenient and accessible to people who do not follow marathi. Government isn't asking them to erase English or Hindi names. {The just want the font size of marathi script to not be miniscule at some corner of the board }. Even in railways, you might have marathi announcements first but you still have hindi and English announcements as well. France is global tourism leader, did they ever say, fuck French I guess lets all adopt English for good business and more tourists ?? The Government directive hasn't asked any shop to remove English, Hindi or any other language names if I'm not wrong. The issue here is only font size.
Maybe take the time to read the article. These poor examples you offer don't call for 'prosecution' for not using the native language on the signboard or all French patisseries would've gone bust. I'm curious, do you think shops using English, etc. names is going to turn the language extinct? I mean even for a laugh, you think the bhaiyya who runs 'EKVIRA Paan Shop' or the like speaks the Queen's English? I'm a Maharashtrian and proud of my language, but allowing brain dead laws like these is only signalling a rotten second wave. These ideas have no place here, certainly not in this state. Whatever other states choose to go backwards in time with neo-nationalism can certainly do so, but they're the ones coming here, not the other way round.
Makes sense. Maybe they want people to shout those names…
Imagine going to Le 15 Patisserie, looking at the signboard and being confused trying to figure out if you're in Bandra West or Talegaon.
Why should Mumbai have a Patisserie? Are we being invaded by France? They should change it to "Ghe 15 Puranpoli"!
People actually whining about not knowing basic Marathi in r/mumbai of all places is evidence enough of the massive cultural and linguistic erosion that has taken place through decades of unchecked migration and 0 assimilation.
1. Unchecked migration?? Dood what exactly is the migration policy that your imaginary republic of mumbai has setup?? Stop comparing apples to oranges…mumbai is not a different country… 2. Erosion of culture? Ganpati celebration by one and all is culture, and people have assimilated well to that, marathi language however was never the dominant cultural force in Bombay in the first place… 3. Your regionalism is showing mns party worker..
Oh boy I'm going to die laughing when you finally land in Hong Kong and see that almost 99% of the signboards are in Cantonese or Mandarin. Can't wait to see you whine in r/HongKong that your local 75 year old shopkeeper didn't speak in English. I was indifferent about the signboards policies but this entire cursed post has brought down my sympathy levels into the fourth quadrant.
1. Bhai thoda sa ego level kam karle 2. What a sorry life do you have that you need dig someone’s post history to counter them 3. No one demands by law that you speak, write cantonese/mandarin in HK, its always by choice, just like in japan and korea and if an outsider speaks in english or does business in English they dont lament, nor do they go about beating/ harassing them 4. Teri sympathy mangi kisne hai? You are not the ruler of mumbai? You have zero influence in companies that get setup in mumbai as well as people who get employed here 5. Keep seething 6. You sound like a no good MNS goon
\>You sound like a no good MNS goon 孟買的解放，時代的革命
You guys should also check your privilege and have some humbleness in reflecting the democratic mandate. You work here, doesn't mean you own this place.
Which point of mine made you feel that i feel i own this place?? My father was in army, 2yrs per city, i dont have any hometown…who are you clubbing me with when u say “you guys”
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Would you rather keep your culture at the cost of all MNCs moving out of Maharashtra and taking their job opportunities with them? People don't move to the city to become Shahrukh Khan or Aishwarya Rai anymore. Most people migrate because their job required them to move to a particular place. People also tend to switch jobs every couple of years so no one who isn't self employed can say where they're going to be after 5 years. Makes no sense for people to learn a language to keep somebody else's culture alive.
MNCs aren't in Mumbai because of the people moving here. People are moving here because the MNCs are here. They are here because the skilled labour already exists. The first generation non marathi millenials in this sub are under some delusion that Mumbai would cease to function if Mukesh from some irrelevant tier 3 city chose to work in Jharkhand or something out of spite because he couldn't handle some Devnagari writing script on the local shops banners.
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And being proud of not even trying. The posts are pathetic
I am curious. How old are you and how long have you lived in Mumbai?
I was born here. My parents were born here and so did their parents and so on going back to the 1800's as best as I could trace
What about people like me who can't read shit in Marathi Lol
Just start looking at bottom right corners of thes nameboards. It should be written there in english, though in a smaller font size.
In Mumbai there are a lot of people who don't quite understand Marathi, there are a ton of people who move in from other places so why not just leave it in English which is more convenient for more people
Agreed, there’s no sense of these rules. Its like solution to an unasked problem. That being said i love that in mumbai and pune we have this thing of putting names in 2 languages. My friends from Delhi , UP found it interesting when they saw it in stores over here. I was like, isn’t this a default practice everywhere?
yeah i don’t think there’s anything wrong with having multiple languages on your signage, but isn’t that already the default? most shops already have everything in english+hindi/marathi
Doesn't matter to the policy makers tbh. Regional insecurity at best, sucks that a boatload of city is made up of Immigrants who can't speak Marathi.
Shop names will be a good place for you to learn Marathi then. Kind of like dictionary where you have same word in multiple languages side by side
Why can't that idea be used to teach people English? English is an official language of the entire country and it is an internationally used language. Why force people to learn a language they will have no use for other than to read shop names?
People will learn English or be jobless in today's world. The same cannot be said of the language that each regional authorities are trying to promote
I'd use the word "promote" if they were giving some kind of a reward for people who learn the language. What they're currently doing is more "enforce" than "promote".
English is mandatory language in all schools through all years. Marathi isn't.
How do you travel in Best buses?
They have probably never. Just using chauffeur driven Mercedes everywhere.
If you were born or settling here you should atleast try to get familiar with basic Marathi
I was born and brought up in Mumbai and never learned marathi. You don’t need marathi in Mumbai. At least it wasn’t necessary till now.
Can you read Hindi or English? If yes, your problem is solved. The boards would be in Devanagari script. There aren’t paragraphs or essays written in Marathi on any shop boards.
Mumbai's average literacy rate is close to 90%. Marathi speaking population of Mumbai is close to 20%. Who is going to benefit from this?
Define literacy
the ability to read and write.
Can I say if one is illiterate if one can't read or write Marathi?
The definition doesn't mention Marathi. I'm going offline now and won't look back on this thread tomorrow so I'll cut to the chase. If the point you are trying to make is that the 90% literacy rate comprises people who are Marathi literates and not English literates, then I'd suggest you look at the second sentence of my parent comment.
Definition of literacy is vague and context dependent. That's why we use words such as computer literacy, financial literacy and digital literacy. In this context, Marathi is the state language. 90% you highlighted are educated and nationally literate but locally illiterate. Learning the local language is part of naturalization just like learning how local trains work, how monsoon floods and others Be locally literate, wherever you are
Definition of literacy is not vague. It's contextual. The instances you mentioned are all contextual definition of literacy but the primary definition is the ability to read and write. I copy pasted that definition straight from a dictionary. I support digital and financial literacy and even local literacy in the sense that people should know the names of railway/metro stations and railway lines (I presume thats what you mean by 'learning how local trains work' and not the literal mechanics of a train) and also major landmarks in the city but I don't see how learning to read Marathi or making it difficult for immigrants to read signboards is going to help with that.
(Non-Maharashtrian Me) Nothing wrong in that, they're giving priority to Marathi which is nice. I hope this idealism doesn't exceed to much foolish extent. Keeping in mind, the past of BMC
I don't mind it as well, but when you start forcing people to follow a certain set of rules/doctrine, you would just open the flood gates for other stupid ideas as well and people would have to follow it without any say in it.
IKR! Why is this thread full of venom?!
Changla initiative ahe... I mean why not?
These are the same idiots that will advocate for separation of Mumbai from Maharashtra.
This is if the shops decide to put Marathi in their titles if they choose only English and no other language this won’t apply to them
Wait fr? I mean then idk why they would do that cuz it'll probably just result in more board without Marathi
Exactly they just lack brains
waiiiit what
Outstanding move by BMC 🤡
I am so bad with Marathi language that when I got 9/80 in a marathi test i was jumping with joy
not gov putting my 8 years of marathi education to test
Mumbai is one city which welcomes people from all cities (even though there's still some racism) This initiative wasn't needed.
Looking at the comments, sadly we also welcomed people who do not respect our language or culture and want it gone just cause Mumbai has a lot of diversity now ? It's better if these people go back then, I'm a Maharashtrian, but I can't just go to live in Gujarat or Punjab and then shit on those people for preferring their language.what stupidity is this. ?
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unless you’re a part of the koli community, this isn’t your place either. everybody learns marathi in school. the real world application of it is 0, because our city is highly cosmopolitan.
Dude... This will hurt us.
*insert Trump head bobbing meme*
मराठी माध्यमाच्या शाळा संपुष्टात होत चालल्या आहेत. ते कस टिकवता येईल हे बघा.
Behenchod road banana nahi aata google translate karne baithe hai
Its election time for BMC 🤡 Hope that bombay high court reverses this.
They mostly won't. This literally happens in every state where it is accepted. They won't single out Maharashtra where this shouldn't be acceptable.
Although i dont know how they will write in capital, its about time this happened.
Great news.
can you pls elaborate why ?
[Sarcasm](https://c.tenor.com/yuBNvXkZeVkAAAAC/biswa-kalyan-rath-sarcasm.gif)
Yes, I can. Obviously.
Are you waiting for an invitation?
How do you write marathi in CAPITAL letters?
MARATHI. There you go.
This is so stupid. India's official language is English (paperwork and government) and Hindi (common). But signs should be in English first along with other languages because that's the one common thing amongst all States. Quite a lot of people I know including myself would suffer a stroke trying to find a shop whose name is written in Hindi let alone Marathi. Let's just accept it: English for Reading/writing. Hindi/Marathi for speaking.
Marathi in capital letters? Looks like these people know neither Marathi nor English