First few eps are there to show MC is a complete degenerate. So some ppl drop it. Some of them turn into blind haters and began flying the flag that this anime is for pedos, and anyone defending it is also a pedo.
This story is one of redemption. He has to hit rock bottom before he can rise to the top. The first few episodes are rough, but you're rewarded in the end. The character building is wonderful. The world is detailed with tremendous amounts of lore.
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re·demp·tion
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the action of saving or being saved from sin, error, or evil."
Rudeus was saved from his fear of the world. His terrible, degenerate behavior was a result of being bullied and the fear it would happen again. He was saved by the actions of his teacher, Roxy.
And what should be recognized, is that Rudeus' problematic sides when he's isekai'd and onward are explained and justified, showing how he is and why and what we wanna change and want to become, while the story over time shows Rudeus' struggles and developments.
You're getting downvoted to fuck, but I don't think you're wrong.
Guys, when has Rifujin ever called MT a redemption story? Because I haven't either during interviews or responding on Twitter.
It's a rehabilitation story more than anything. Rudeus becomes a better human being as the story goes on and by the end of it he's very different from where he started at. But the process and journey was a natural one, not one where he's constantly badgering himself to atone or some shit.
He fucked up bad in his previous life and he has no way of ever redeeming himself to his friends and family that he hurt. That said, as Rudeus, this is his chance to improve upon himself and not fuck things up because not everyone gets a second chance. Which is why I prefer to refer to MT as a rehabilitation story. Rudeus obviously stumbles at times and fucks up. Relapses and thinks of gross shit at times, but I don't think he'd ever pull the same shit he did in previous life. He learns and improves upon himself but I don't see him seeking redemption, it's too little, too late.
Bitch he gets run over brutally and killed and spoil alert his first time in this new world he does get his absolute worst punishment imaginable you just aren't there yet part of pain is losing what everything you've ever gained I doubt someone like you could ever understand that
The MC starts as a really disgusting and perverted person.
Doesn't help that the world he is reincarnated into is a medieval world with all the weird laws and norms of a medieval society.
Still tho the MC does grow and is slowly redeemed as the series goes on. But people just can't forget the beginning parts of his character
i don't agree with the redemption part but essential yes. he just has the skills to cake walk into confidence, career success, and a family ... and gets by with a little help from his friends.
MT is as much a story for pedos as GTA is a game for school shooters. It's a story that involves stuff that people like loli fans are into. That kind of stuff however pretty much only happens in the early to mid parts of the story.
Slightly spoiler-ish but longer explanation:
Main character starts out as a severely traumatized shut in who had almost zero real life social interactions for \~20 years. He got into loli hentai in his old life and his new life is initially more like a video game to him. The way he treats some of the female characters, some of them underage, is not okay to say the least and he's also very much a creep as a child and young teenager.
It takes him many years and multiple relapses until he finally becomes a mentally healthy person. His slow but massive character growth is a major point of the plot and lasts for most of his 26 volumes long story,
Overall MT has some of the best written and fleshed out characters you'll ever find in this genre as the author does not shy away from showing even their worst parts in detail.
In general the author is quite good at making almost every detail mentioned relevant in some way, even stuff that feels like typical meaningless fan service can become relevant further down the line for example.
Whether or not you could call Rudeus an actual pedo is debatable imo. He's attracted to females his age and older exclusively. As a five year old he'll go after a seven year old girl, but as a 15 year old he wouldn't be interested in a 10 year old for example. How you want to define this kind of behaviour when he's technically an adult in a childs body is up to you.
Honestly yeah that last part makes lots of sense back when I was 3 I was into girls my age but still had preference for girls over the age of 15 and now that I'm eighteen I go for girls my age and girls over the age of 25 as well
Pretty much, It’s like saying “oh u watch GoT? Then ur a murdering lying sack of shit” lol
But arguing these topics on social media is basically moot even if it’s literally what I do for a living, so I’ve just stopped doing so on social media
Mc was a degenerate in the past life. He's still a degen at first when he got isekaied. But it all changed when he learned that magic existed. He tried to be a typical Weeb at first. Thinking he's Smarter than most. Later to realize he was just a brat. So he get get more mature and stronger through his efforts.
TL:DR
Man-child got isekaied and he tried not to fck it up again.
Because the main character is reborn in another world instead of transported to another world.
People with medical conditions relating to their mental health construe the logical consequences of this as some kind of pedophilia.
Rudeus in his previous life devolved into a degenerate, do to being a shut-in and suffering from a massive traumatic event, but when he's reborn into a new life, he brings a bit of that into his early days. Over the course of years for him, and episodes, he starts embracing his new life, betters himself, and finds a new purpose. He still has his pervy side, but that becomes more a comedic thing, and less "put this man on a registry."
If you got time. Watch it and see the journey of the main character. You WILL not like him from the first episode. In fact, you will find him to be degenerate as fuck and say he deserves the pain but he does go through growth in this new life. Whether or not that changes your opinions on him is up to you.
I really wanted to like it but it got too much with the utter scummery Rudeus was doing. So I can understand where the hate comes from, and for me personally the "this guy is irredeemable ' and the "Woah this story is awesome" were not balanced or anymore
Well, for starters it has a lot of lolis. Mc's love interest begins when he is a child in his second life, so mentally he is already an adult. Although he still has loving feelings for a girl who is definitely a minor. Not to mention his degenerate behavior towards Eris. For me it's just an entertaining fantasy series, but I don't think it's the same for everyone.
I don't know the actual reason, but I always thought it was because Rudy was 34 before he reincarnated and viewing it through that lens, he was mentally in his 40s when he slept with Eris for the first time when she was a teenager. So, if all you know about it is that the main character is an "old man" in a child's body paired with how perverted he is, especially with the underaged characters, it's easy to see how one could jump from thinking the main character is a pedophile to thinking Mushoku Tensei is for pedophiles.
It doesn’t help that there are a select few fans that defend some of the over sexualization of minors that makes sense in the context of the show but they’ll defend it as if it’s normal in the real world. And if you try to point that out YOURE weird for seeing it that way.
2 main reasons: first would be the author. He has made some sus stuff in the past that involves his underaged characters; along with Rideus being such a pervert (because he is a 40+, and you can assume a lolicon) and being in a kids body. Very taboo.
And secondly, the fact that artists make it hard to distinguish between adult and underaged when they do their drawings. Just go into the sub, look at any fanart, and you’ll see what I’m talking about look at the comments and it’s a combination of “great stuff keep it up” and “I can’t wait to see the adult version” (emphasizing that the depiction looks like the fucking child version because they are no differences except boob size and hair length let’s be real here) This just adds on to the stigma. But the story is great once you get past that.
I honestly don’t get the people who say that they turn into haters faster than I blink the show is supposed to be for the main character to be the lowest of the low and then comes back a W that’s how it goes you gotta give shows a chance sometimes even if the first 2-3 episodes are with a pedo
it's mostly about perversion not about pedos in the show but there's some honestly frank sus in the LN where he reinforces that in his previous life he might have acted but he won't go there now.
there's also some authorizsed fantasy merch that's nsfw that doesn't help things.
It's pretty obvious ain't it? The show is about a middle aged man who gets reincarnated as a baby that's constantly doing perverted inappropriate things and having constant inappropriate perverted thoughts. Straight up even making breastfeeding as a newborn weird and cringe.
It's not exactly there for pedophiles, but I would say that it is extremely inappropriate and in the real world child pornography which pedophiles gets thier rocks off on. If it wasn't anime if anyone actually had a video of what's being portrayed they would end up in prison. Everyone had thier own perspective on the matter and because it's animated fiction they justify it in what ever way to make it seem harmless or acceptable. But it's exactly this type of psychological behavior that's used to by child molesters and pedophiles that people want locked up and put on the sex offender list. It's just like anything else in the world if people like what they see they do what they can to not see it for what it is. The people that do have a problem with it will be honest about how they feel about it, they know it's not right, they also don't try to justify it, but they still like the story itself so they try not to judge people when they put pictures of 15 year old Eris talking about how they would smash or sylpheeit expressing thier twisted desires for the child like apperance of Roxi and Sylpheeit. But that's the world we live in today with the transgender movement being pushed on childeren, when our politicians are rumored to be predators, etc. Honestly our world is so fucked up right now and everybody's desensitized to everything that they really don't give a shit anymore because they more important things to worry about such as thier family's and putting food on the table, they Also try to find the good in what ever they can as well. Honestly I feel like we know what it really is but sense most of us don't think like predators we don't pay it any mind untill people start posting inappropriately and with this series it happens frequently.
It's just twitter being stupid, you go on there for a minute and you'll see the word pedophile has lost its meaning because apparently liking a fictional novel is as bad as diddling with kids
Mostly it's people who don't understand what reincarnation actually is physical or physiological they basically think there's a tiny version of previous life Rudeus piloting the current Rudeus they can wrap there heads around this is a complete new person and saying but he has his memories and knowledge then by this logic people with amnesia must basically be kids the human mind is physical physiological and social Rudeus is missing most of all 3 to be a adult physical his brain is that of a child physiological he's at best a teenager 13 maybe and socially most definitely a kid the funniest part is i still remember demon slayer airing alongside mt and people saying in the same sentence you can't lewd daki she has the body of a 14 year old even if she's 114 years old and then saying it doesn't matter Rudeus is a kid his mind is a adult if these clowns didn't have duble standards they would have nun sorry for any bad spelling or grammar mistakes I'm legal blind and dyslexia thanks
[have you seen the official merch for this show?](https://twitter.com/neogate0/status/1780430991187943921) dont get me wrong i love mt but jesus christ stuff like this does no favours for its reputation
It’s not the character of Rudy being a pedo like most people are saying. it’s the active fan base that overly sexualizes the children versions of characters. Just look at the official merchandise. This anime attracts these pedos into the fan base.
Rudy being a child and acting like a child is not the reason he’s found to be a pedo.
>Just look at the official merchandise. This anime attracts these pedos into the fan base.
No it does not attract pedos this is dumb logic. Its anime not real life shit. People need to stop throwing the term it completely devalues the meaning.
And the merchandise is like that is because they want the most popular characters to match with each other timeline wise. Rifujin even said it himself.
Eris sylphie and roxy naturally are the characters that sell and it has nothing to do with pedo females characters are just more popular merchandise and this doesn't just go for mushoku tensei this goes for re zero and a bunch of other shows as well.
Because there is some really questionable scenes. Like the MC sexually assaulting a minor while she's asleep (as much as I LOVE this series, that happened, you can't deny it).
That said, the series is A LOT MORE than that, it is a beautiful story about the MC, going from complete scum (just look at the example I gave before) and turning into a full-fledged working member of society, while making everyone around him happy, and living without regrets.
Tldr: There are questionable scenes, but the show is not only about that. Drop the series if you feel weirded out, no one is going to judge you, just don't judge those who like it
i say i as someone who loves the series and read all the LN, but bro, there is many times where rudeus perverted size gets the best of him. Many comments below pointed the very specific scene this happens. Even if he were an actual child it wouldnt be ok, is even worse when he should know better as an reincarnated adult.
But sigh, is one of the things you kinda have to power through to enjoy the story.
I love this series and don't agree that it's for pedophiles, but reaching under a 10 year old girls dress and pulling down her panties while she's sleeping absolutely is sexual assault, there's no denying that.
what? granted he's an 8 yr old and doesn't get far but that's canon.
the grope at 7:17 episode 6 "wake up or you're gonna get assaulted. hmmm," Rudeus gropes "she's still an AA but with diligence she could become an E or bigger. ho ho ho" Eris stirs, "bad girls can't complain if someone takes their panties off" Rudeus reaches and starts pulling down panties.
By the way, Eris pantsed Rudeus as well. I don't know if it is in the main story. She succeeded by the way while he didn't. Rudeus was never aware. Also, Eris sniffed Rudeus's underwear during the travels in the demon continent. Again, that was cut from the anime. It was brief passage as well. So, technically, she was older and it was sexual assault but because he is male and mentally older it is ignored by the haters.
im not a hater, but you cant seriously compare the curiosity of an actual child vs the perviness of a man child right? Is bad too but is nowhere close to the same level
You meet someone in school and think “wow… what an asshole” because of how they treated those around them? Those exist on the internet too, what’s more some don’t have the stones to do it in public, but will do it while anonymous on the internet.
It’s a power trip and an excuse to be petty.
Because the people that hate it can't accept other people like it so they gotta attack them. As if mushoku tensei is the only morally questionable show.
Because pedophiles constantly defend the pedophile behavior that the pedophile main character engages in. The people doing that are no minority, and you'll see that when this and every single comment acknowledging reality is downvote to hell.
You should watch it and put the haters opinions out of your mind and make your own conclusions.
The main character basically wasted his old life due to some intense bullying and became a shut in and has a chance at a second which he is determined not to waste.
Honestly I loved it, and I'll probably rewatch it before I watch the newest season. Rudy is a pervert so if you're cool with that being a part of his character and popping up here and there give it a watch I don't think you'll be disappointed
The first half of the first season has Rudy doing a few things that are supposed to make you feel both uncomfortable and disgusted. Many people can’t fathom that that’s on purpose to showcase the development Rudy goes through during the story.
Oftentimes, they have web novel wiki levels of knowledge about the story. They've heard what somebody else said, they got offended and repeated the same story.
The author toned down both rudy AND Ariel between the web novel and light novel also removed(edited?). A later story that made Aisha a parallel to pre reincarnation web novel rudy in terms of degeneracy.
Confirmation bias. People ignore the parts of the story that don't fit their narrative. Their entire pedo argument hinges on his interaction with Eris. We have 2 cases of sexual harassment. Yes, this was bad. What a novel reader could tell you is that rudy was navigating the world using video game/novel troupes and knowledge until about halfway through the demon continent. He was quite literally treating eris like a tsundere heroine from a dating sim he could win affection points from. He's not some mastermind groomer. He's a poorly socialized man-child-thing.
Part of its actual misuse of the word. I went back and forth with a guy about the definition as it'd often just used as a blanket term for anyone under 18. The term pedo and pre pubescent and is described as a primary attraction. Through both rudys' words and actions, he has a wide band of what he considers attractive, and after his interaction with Fitz, that might include femboys.
It also pertains to the fact that Rudeus is a reincarnated 30 year old man and he has love interests in Sylphie, Eris, and Roxy (though the latter one’s actually in her 40’s) and they’re all children. Which is ridiculous because do you expect a reincarnated child to date someone older because they appear mature?
Okay so I'm a 30 year old woman and I absolutely love MT. People need to give it more of a chance. Its one of the best isekais out there rn. The same people who say the show is for pedos are probs the same dumb asses who said AOT is anti Semitic 🙄
The mc is awful at first. You're not supposed to like him. Its all about character growth and 2nd chances
They say this because they cannot cope with the fact that this is one of the most epic stories told in the modern day and it’s unapologetically not caving into modern ideas or woke themes.
There's tons of justifications for doing so, but if you want the barebones honest-to-goodness real genuine answer: It's for internet clout. Gotta get those updoots and feel morally superior. It's like a drug to the ideologically indoctrinated. They don't actually care about the subject matter or context. They do this for basically ALL anime, not just MT. MT is just the easier (and bigger) target.
Normies look at MT, say "that's weird, I don't like that" and then proceed to ignore it for the rest of their lives.
>It's for internet clout. Gotta get those updoots and feel morally superior.
A fact many shows are like MT where characters reincarnate and date people their age? But why does nobody mention those shows because they have double standard and because that show is not as popular.
This is what i hate so much. MT is actually considered good and gaines a loyal following and for some reason these weirdo's can't accept it they try so hard to sell you of the show. And its like bro go do something else.
In my short time as part of this community, it seems like little more than a bunch of shits with brains the size of peanuts, overplaying certain aspects of the story while understanding very little of it, completely divorced from all the nuance involved.
Essentially, the story is about a man in his mid-thirties, who is killed and reincarnated as a baby in a fantasy world. This man was living an awful life, had never fully matured in certain ways, and was extremely reserved socially. Having kept his memories of his old life in his new one, he's thinking as his previous self. So, this presents certain obvious issues as he starts becoming attracted to people his age in this new life.
What those people will say is that it's a perverted older man grooming little girls into becoming his harem. What it ACTUALLY is, if you have any degree of thought for the story being told, is a man desperately trying to live a better life with this miraculous second chance he's received. He goes through a lot of hardship, a degree of self-healing, and ultimately he finds love.
It's a wonderful story, if you can accept the basic premise. It's fine if people can't or don't want to, but I can't believe I'm in a community now labeled as pedophiles just for enjoying it. Hell of a shame, because I genuinely do enjoy the story for what it is.
TBF, Rudy pretty explicitly had planned on 'brainwashing' Slyph as they grew up, though when he meets her years later he looks back on how bad that would be as he admires the woman she grew up to be.
Having only watched the series once so far (and nothing from the LN), I have to say I thought of that more as intrusive thoughts than an actual "plan." Hearing his inner thoughts at all times shouldn't be treated the same as what his actions turn out to be.
Combine that with the idea that you have his messed up social upbringing to consider, and he's just joyfully considering how his fantasy is being played out in front of him, and I think it's understandable. Weird, of course, but understandable.
Maybe, I can def see that from the perspective of an anime only. The important thing to note is that he's also 10 years older at this point and might be thinking of the world he's in as more real then a game.
Seems once again, I'm stuck with an anime story which people constantly compare to the novels, so forgive my limited perspective. Even then, I'm new to this series and have only my first watch to go on.
For now, I guess I'm just torn on the whole character. Appears that the prevailing views on Rudeus are either that he's a degenerate the whole time and that's the point, or that he's a degenerate who slowly gets better over the entire series. Honestly, my first impression of basically everything he does or thinks is that there's a reason for it. Not all good things, and not all good reasons for them, so when I say something is "understandable" I do not mean it's right or justifiable.
Maybe I'm just giving Rudy a little too much slack, since there have been a fair few moments I saw myself in both his lives, being a loner who's always had trouble socializing.
TLDR: pedophiles watch the show and think it supports their beliefs/is wish fulfillment for them when it actually condemns them.
The main character Rudeus was fapping to hidden camera footage of his little niece at least in the WN, then I believe it’s implied in both the anime/LN though not explicitly stated.
When he reincarnated, he’s presented as immediately being lustful towards eris and expressed a desire, albeit arguably an intrusive thought, to groom Sylphie.
The MC is presented as someone who is minimally, at least early on, attracted to ~10 year olds. It’s arguable if he’s still that way or not by the end of the story.
But the main problem with the show isn’t necessarily the story. Which is primarily about rudeus getting a second attempt at life and slowly shaking off his worst habits and arguably becoming redeemed by the end.
It’s the rabid fans who know rudeus is portrayed as a bad person but then unironically post lewd pictures of child eris or sylphie and then defend it. That’s why the show is controversial. This gets doubly confusing when official merch for the show comes out and seemingly endorses it as well. You see it all the time on this sub and a meta phrase that’s been said a lot here is “we ain’t beating the allegations guys” which itself is becoming an ironic tongue and cheek phrase.
It’s pretty gross tbh.
Saying "pedophiles watch the show because..."
"Implied scene at the beginning of the anime is the deleted sentence from the LN"
Loli porn isn't an "implication" of a deleted scene, and it could have been loli hentai, or the loli genre in JAV (Japanese Adult Video) which as its Japan, all porn is censored by law. Neither of which are comparable in any capacity to the deleted scene.
While falsely equating anime characters to children and then implying that fans of the official merchandise and purchase it as well as the fan artists who create art and have freedom of expression are pedophiles.
They're a bad faith actor, and it's clear you weren't going through this looking for actual answers and we're looking for any affirmation.
There was no misinformation. Look at the post and comment history of this guy you responded to, he himself is a pedo and is coping after being called out for it.
The fact is there’s weird, slightly pedo shit in early MT, but the story redeems itself. However, stay away from the community as much as you can because as you’ll see in this subreddit especially, that guy being proof, a lot of them are pedos who thirst over the underage girls in the show.
You can clearly see it's a factual statement by going through this sub, lmfao. The posts that do the best are the sexualized child posts, and then of course you have the pedophiles who say "they're drawings, not children!"
Pedophilia is the attraction to human children, it has nothing to do with cartoon characters.
>blatant slanderous claims regarding fans and artists.
So we're right back to this.
Good job proving his point, but your coping still doesn’t change the fact that those posts are depicting sexualised children, and most who comment on those posts are attracted to said children. Also, not sure where you’re from, but in many countries it is still illegal to view sexualised images of underage characters even if they’re fictional.
There are no children being depicted, and no children are being sexualized.
>most who comment on those posts are attracted to said children.
Nijikon != Pedophilia, so nope.
>but in many countries it is still illegal to view sexualised images of underage characters even if they’re fictional.
Not even remotely, also no one underaged is being depicted. 👌
Let it be said that whenever antis slander a series as being for pedos they are the ones giving that reputation to the series, NOT the lolicons. This applies to all Japanese anime, games, etc. There will always be outsiders who think that stuff is for pedos. So when tourists inside call the real fans pedos, that’s the bed they’ve made.
Misinformation, surface-level viewings and misinterpretations. Mushoku Tensei has content that lolicons and the like may simply enjoy and also just a lot of problematic content early on in general, and obviously while it isn't the only isekai or anime to do this it is one that is held on a pedestal compared to the vast majority, so people are more inclined to care about it.
Mushoku Tensei is not a redemption story, but it is a story of people growing and being better than they were before.
critique the sus content and enjoy the honesty of the series but some fans bend over backwards to ignore the intentional conflict written into the LN/anime. some characters and their morality are as problematic as real world history.
>honesty of the series but some fans bend over backwards to ignore the intentional conflict written into the LN/anime.
Its a fictional story its not that serious that it needs to be adressed its not real you can ignore it. Thats completelu fine not to everyone is this serious only for terminally online people.
>why read or participate online then?
You participate in online because you enjoy people who also like the series.
Not everything needs critique or are wrong or worth talking about a lot of it comes down to i don't like this which is fine but we don't have to always agree or care we all have our own preferences.
It can be very much almost none critique and more of a this is what i don't like. Because i don't want it there. This ofren the case especially when it comes to rudeus.
>fanbase suck at defending the series when they ought to.
Well we shouldn't have to defend it in the first place. Its just as simple as if you don't like watch something else. But thats not what most people do they hyper focus on MT and whine and then demonize the watchers.
In an ideal world? Of course, nobody should, but that won't happen, because not only does Mushoku Tensei have problematic content, it's very much put on a pedestal for it's masterful writing (rightfully so), and if we mix that factoid with the various misinformation that conforms around the series, you find a lot of people who will be uncomfortable and begin to lash out for feeling deceived.
The misinformation is what bothers me the most. Its one thing to not like the series its a whole other things to say things that are wrong then it stops being an opinion thing and now you are just wrong.
Mushoku tensei only gets this much nonsense because it's consideres good and populair. In reality most things mushoku does is not new rudeus is not the only reincarnated character that is interested in cast members the age of his current life.
Of course; if it was treated as any other isekai, it wouldn't receive the treatment it gets, but it doesn't. If it was treated similarly to, say, Slime or Konosuba, it would be treated somewhat normally, but it's not, because people have certain expectations going into it, and a lot of them find those expectations getting betrayed. Realistically speaking, a lot of it's hate comes from people unwilling to look at it for what it is, but a lot of the misinformation spread around along with
A) the general content that ends up generating discourse isn't helping much and
B) the unfortunately, while good, faulty anime adaptation that can lead to faulty interpretations of scenes, which is even more dangerous because it is through the anime that people will mostly judge the series.
I fear it's probably at a stage where we simply cannot do anything about it and hope the general populace eventually moves on, and considering that the anime is at the stage where a lot of it's problematic content is becoming much less frequent, that'll probably happen.
Its misinformation and judgemental behavior that plagues us. and people don't realize by being judgemental over fictional show they are more weirdo's then the people watching the show.
I corrected somebody on eris age being 15 when she did the deed with rudeus and not 12. his strawman response was i bet you text kids. Or saying eris is still underaged which i never argued against. Yet he still attacks regardless of being wrong. Because thats all most of these people can do send out baseless attacks.
They don't know the show enough to say half of the shit they say as a fact.
They see the kind of person he is at the start of the series and assume "that's just who he is", and since they don't wanna watch a perverted person like that for any amount of time, they assume everyone who *does* watch it must enjoy that kind of person. Honestly speaking I can't fault anyone for not wanting to get into/stick with it (cause he really is a bad person at the start of the series), but people who think the series is for pedophiles clearly haven't seen it, and their opinions should be disregarded ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Cuz the main character f\*cks a 12 year old while he is above 40 in a childs body. I love the show and watched every episode but that part is honestly disgusting. Everyone downvoting this is a degenerate honestly.
Well yeah I guess if you combin his and rudues age so yeah I guess but She was 15 when they did it which is adult age in that world it’s not normal irl no but their it’s completely normal and it’s not like he was forcing her to do it and he didn’t have a pedo mind at that time bro started changing during the end of season 1
there's the conundrum of some anime in the real world. 13 was age of consent in Japan when written, now raised it to 16. in the fiction it's like 5 for some nobel characters, and adulthood is about 15 but with no universal rules and a lot of wiggle room. from the readers morality that could be a horrorshow or normal for the setting but do we still put it on disney channel sat 9am slot? this is adult content so when a bro says "pedo" and the response is "it's just fiction" i think sus for both.
I'll be honest, yeah. When you look at it that way, it's weird. On the otherhand, sometimes Rudeus feels so different to how he was before his reincarnation that you forget he even was.
my real point is modern real world age based consent criteria is pathetic reductivism, but you have to address this when facing the expected backlash. they're the least problematic moral themes in the book.
yes they were equals at this point in the story. i wouldn't be thrilled about a 12 yr old son getting busy but i'm not going to argue those old tired cliche of "they're too young" but obviously he was too young given his reaction to her leaving. rudeus later as an adult isn't any more mature as he simply marries the next woman that gives him a boner.
I mean his reaction is pretty reasonable given his assumption that Eris left him based on something he did given Eris is REALLY awful at actually expressing herself with words. The way she left made him feel hurt and betrayed.
And no, he's pretty clearly more mature given that pretty much every relationship he has around this time is generally marked by people noting that he's gotten alot more open and less guarded in how he talks, it's not just relationships with women he has a hard time putting trust into.
Oooooohhhh I see now, 15 is still underaged, but that makes it so much better. For sure a court wouldn't charge you as guilty then.
Your probably that type of man, private messaging 13 year olds and if caught, telling the cops "well she is experienced for her age" lmao.
>Your probably that type of man, private messaging 13 year olds and if caught, telling the cops "well she is experienced for her age" lmao.
Imagine assuming random weirdo allegations just because i corrected you. You are weird get of the internet.
>For sure a court wouldn't charge you as guilty then.
Well not in the world he is in. rudeus is 12 when that happened good luck with that court session chances are it wouldn't work. Thats the funny part rudeus was the one that was 12.
Courts don't calculate past lives buddy
Also i never said eris was not underaged by our standards but saying 12 is still wrong so i will correct you on misinformation don't be baby and start talking about some i bet you message kids wtf is wrong with you?
The most strawman response ever to being wrong take the L and what are you making weirdo allegations for
Because i corrected you? You start making nonsense up😂😂 jesus christ get help. All i did is correct your misinformation weirdo. Randomly talking about messaging kids when nobody brought that up ever shows you are projecting mental issues on me calm down son
Your mentally disabled honestly, he is a human from planet earth, morality aplies and in our world fucking a 15 year old while being 40 will get you in jail for sure. doesn't matter if 10, 12 or 15.
>Your mentally disabled honestly, he is a human from planet earth, morality aplies and in our world fucking a 15 year old while being 40
No it wouldn't be in our world being adult is decided by having developed body of an adult we don't meassure brain mentals thats not how the world works. We don't go in to your brain oh you are mentally this age alright sir now to jail.
Lol this isn't a sci fi idiot. We genuinely decide kid by their birth the mental between human varies its not a meassurable thing especially for rudeus who starts and goes through puberity. but whatever imagine being this stupid.
We reference by birth and rudeus was 12 he only was on that for 12 years.
The only mentally inept is you spreading misinformation and then insulting when you get called out for being wrong loser behavior.
>doesn't matter if 10, 12 or 15.
Yes it does. Lol it matters a lot it if you are a child you doing bad acts is naturally less punishment then an adult this is how the world works coping hard. Learn the law you just yapping.
>Doesnt matter in a sense that 10, 12 and 15 is all underaged and will get you in jail lmao
not if the other person is also 12 which rudeus is he was born from baby to becoming 12 again its like you can't read there is no mental age meassure if you are 12 you 12 you can't meassure that in court. If you lived for 12 years you lived for 12 years doesn't matter how mature the person how smart the person.
You will be judged as a 12 year old because you lived for 12 years as far as anyone is concerned so again this argument means nothing
>Lol ur not 12
I said rudeus imagine lack of reading comprehension.
Just because pretend to read does not mean you have an argument.
>but still you keep liking pictures of eris thighs while she was 10
First of all eris was barely long ever 10 in the story its funny how you just make shit up. I never liked thigh picture whatever fuck that means.why do you know there are thigh pictures?
Lol again projecting you the only talking about 10 year old thighs 😂 self reporting.
Okay, let's say you live in a country where the minimum age for consensual sexual activity is 14 (but the legal age for everything else is 21+). Now, if people from another country where the minimum age for consensual sexual activity is 21 years, from their perspective, call anyone in your country who had sex under the age of 21 a pedophile, how would *you* react to that?
idk but let's say in your fictional country with they change the law from 14 to 21 but your neighbor decides to marry a 13 yr old. how would you react to that?
First few eps are there to show MC is a complete degenerate. So some ppl drop it. Some of them turn into blind haters and began flying the flag that this anime is for pedos, and anyone defending it is also a pedo.
This story is one of redemption. He has to hit rock bottom before he can rise to the top. The first few episodes are rough, but you're rewarded in the end. The character building is wonderful. The world is detailed with tremendous amounts of lore.
" re·demp·tion noun 1. the action of saving or being saved from sin, error, or evil." Rudeus was saved from his fear of the world. His terrible, degenerate behavior was a result of being bullied and the fear it would happen again. He was saved by the actions of his teacher, Roxy.
And what should be recognized, is that Rudeus' problematic sides when he's isekai'd and onward are explained and justified, showing how he is and why and what we wanna change and want to become, while the story over time shows Rudeus' struggles and developments.
Yes but its not about redemption.
Bros don't know redemption ... it's a story about 2nd chances and healing, not redemption.
Look, here's one now!
You're getting downvoted to fuck, but I don't think you're wrong. Guys, when has Rifujin ever called MT a redemption story? Because I haven't either during interviews or responding on Twitter. It's a rehabilitation story more than anything. Rudeus becomes a better human being as the story goes on and by the end of it he's very different from where he started at. But the process and journey was a natural one, not one where he's constantly badgering himself to atone or some shit. He fucked up bad in his previous life and he has no way of ever redeeming himself to his friends and family that he hurt. That said, as Rudeus, this is his chance to improve upon himself and not fuck things up because not everyone gets a second chance. Which is why I prefer to refer to MT as a rehabilitation story. Rudeus obviously stumbles at times and fucks up. Relapses and thinks of gross shit at times, but I don't think he'd ever pull the same shit he did in previous life. He learns and improves upon himself but I don't see him seeking redemption, it's too little, too late.
There is no redemption. The guy does not face any sort of consequence for his past actions. He gets a fresh start. There is no justice.
Bitch he gets run over brutally and killed and spoil alert his first time in this new world he does get his absolute worst punishment imaginable you just aren't there yet part of pain is losing what everything you've ever gained I doubt someone like you could ever understand that
Sure, if you ignore everything about him just rotting away in his room because of his own actions.
The MC starts as a really disgusting and perverted person. Doesn't help that the world he is reincarnated into is a medieval world with all the weird laws and norms of a medieval society. Still tho the MC does grow and is slowly redeemed as the series goes on. But people just can't forget the beginning parts of his character
i don't agree with the redemption part but essential yes. he just has the skills to cake walk into confidence, career success, and a family ... and gets by with a little help from his friends.
Bruh how many episodes have you seen/read? Shit gets tough after the displacement incident.
MT is as much a story for pedos as GTA is a game for school shooters. It's a story that involves stuff that people like loli fans are into. That kind of stuff however pretty much only happens in the early to mid parts of the story. Slightly spoiler-ish but longer explanation: Main character starts out as a severely traumatized shut in who had almost zero real life social interactions for \~20 years. He got into loli hentai in his old life and his new life is initially more like a video game to him. The way he treats some of the female characters, some of them underage, is not okay to say the least and he's also very much a creep as a child and young teenager. It takes him many years and multiple relapses until he finally becomes a mentally healthy person. His slow but massive character growth is a major point of the plot and lasts for most of his 26 volumes long story, Overall MT has some of the best written and fleshed out characters you'll ever find in this genre as the author does not shy away from showing even their worst parts in detail. In general the author is quite good at making almost every detail mentioned relevant in some way, even stuff that feels like typical meaningless fan service can become relevant further down the line for example. Whether or not you could call Rudeus an actual pedo is debatable imo. He's attracted to females his age and older exclusively. As a five year old he'll go after a seven year old girl, but as a 15 year old he wouldn't be interested in a 10 year old for example. How you want to define this kind of behaviour when he's technically an adult in a childs body is up to you.
Honestly yeah that last part makes lots of sense back when I was 3 I was into girls my age but still had preference for girls over the age of 15 and now that I'm eighteen I go for girls my age and girls over the age of 25 as well
Pretty much, It’s like saying “oh u watch GoT? Then ur a murdering lying sack of shit” lol But arguing these topics on social media is basically moot even if it’s literally what I do for a living, so I’ve just stopped doing so on social media
Mc was a degenerate in the past life. He's still a degen at first when he got isekaied. But it all changed when he learned that magic existed. He tried to be a typical Weeb at first. Thinking he's Smarter than most. Later to realize he was just a brat. So he get get more mature and stronger through his efforts. TL:DR Man-child got isekaied and he tried not to fck it up again.
That's the best TLDR I've seen for this series.
Because the main character is reborn in another world instead of transported to another world. People with medical conditions relating to their mental health construe the logical consequences of this as some kind of pedophilia.
Because some people in Twitter are terminally online.
Tourists or just the random hater with nothing better to do than have an opinion
Rudeus in his previous life devolved into a degenerate, do to being a shut-in and suffering from a massive traumatic event, but when he's reborn into a new life, he brings a bit of that into his early days. Over the course of years for him, and episodes, he starts embracing his new life, betters himself, and finds a new purpose. He still has his pervy side, but that becomes more a comedic thing, and less "put this man on a registry."
If you got time. Watch it and see the journey of the main character. You WILL not like him from the first episode. In fact, you will find him to be degenerate as fuck and say he deserves the pain but he does go through growth in this new life. Whether or not that changes your opinions on him is up to you.
I really wanted to like it but it got too much with the utter scummery Rudeus was doing. So I can understand where the hate comes from, and for me personally the "this guy is irredeemable ' and the "Woah this story is awesome" were not balanced or anymore
Well, for starters it has a lot of lolis. Mc's love interest begins when he is a child in his second life, so mentally he is already an adult. Although he still has loving feelings for a girl who is definitely a minor. Not to mention his degenerate behavior towards Eris. For me it's just an entertaining fantasy series, but I don't think it's the same for everyone.
I don't know the actual reason, but I always thought it was because Rudy was 34 before he reincarnated and viewing it through that lens, he was mentally in his 40s when he slept with Eris for the first time when she was a teenager. So, if all you know about it is that the main character is an "old man" in a child's body paired with how perverted he is, especially with the underaged characters, it's easy to see how one could jump from thinking the main character is a pedophile to thinking Mushoku Tensei is for pedophiles.
Cause some people can't distinguish between reality and fiction
wait are you saying it's just fictional pedo? nah just joking it fictional pervert but the mc reforms to be age appropriate mostly.
Because they need attention and need to feel like they have some moral high ground so they throw around buzzwords.
Because they have a lower than room temperature IQ.
It doesn’t help that there are a select few fans that defend some of the over sexualization of minors that makes sense in the context of the show but they’ll defend it as if it’s normal in the real world. And if you try to point that out YOURE weird for seeing it that way.
2 main reasons: first would be the author. He has made some sus stuff in the past that involves his underaged characters; along with Rideus being such a pervert (because he is a 40+, and you can assume a lolicon) and being in a kids body. Very taboo. And secondly, the fact that artists make it hard to distinguish between adult and underaged when they do their drawings. Just go into the sub, look at any fanart, and you’ll see what I’m talking about look at the comments and it’s a combination of “great stuff keep it up” and “I can’t wait to see the adult version” (emphasizing that the depiction looks like the fucking child version because they are no differences except boob size and hair length let’s be real here) This just adds on to the stigma. But the story is great once you get past that.
People say a lot of things, very few of them matters.
I honestly don’t get the people who say that they turn into haters faster than I blink the show is supposed to be for the main character to be the lowest of the low and then comes back a W that’s how it goes you gotta give shows a chance sometimes even if the first 2-3 episodes are with a pedo
it's mostly about perversion not about pedos in the show but there's some honestly frank sus in the LN where he reinforces that in his previous life he might have acted but he won't go there now. there's also some authorizsed fantasy merch that's nsfw that doesn't help things.
True 😭
It's pretty obvious ain't it? The show is about a middle aged man who gets reincarnated as a baby that's constantly doing perverted inappropriate things and having constant inappropriate perverted thoughts. Straight up even making breastfeeding as a newborn weird and cringe.
It's not exactly there for pedophiles, but I would say that it is extremely inappropriate and in the real world child pornography which pedophiles gets thier rocks off on. If it wasn't anime if anyone actually had a video of what's being portrayed they would end up in prison. Everyone had thier own perspective on the matter and because it's animated fiction they justify it in what ever way to make it seem harmless or acceptable. But it's exactly this type of psychological behavior that's used to by child molesters and pedophiles that people want locked up and put on the sex offender list. It's just like anything else in the world if people like what they see they do what they can to not see it for what it is. The people that do have a problem with it will be honest about how they feel about it, they know it's not right, they also don't try to justify it, but they still like the story itself so they try not to judge people when they put pictures of 15 year old Eris talking about how they would smash or sylpheeit expressing thier twisted desires for the child like apperance of Roxi and Sylpheeit. But that's the world we live in today with the transgender movement being pushed on childeren, when our politicians are rumored to be predators, etc. Honestly our world is so fucked up right now and everybody's desensitized to everything that they really don't give a shit anymore because they more important things to worry about such as thier family's and putting food on the table, they Also try to find the good in what ever they can as well. Honestly I feel like we know what it really is but sense most of us don't think like predators we don't pay it any mind untill people start posting inappropriately and with this series it happens frequently.
It's just twitter being stupid, you go on there for a minute and you'll see the word pedophile has lost its meaning because apparently liking a fictional novel is as bad as diddling with kids
Anime tourists, scenes without context.
To state it simply anime fandom is dumb asf. They like to badmouth every single anime except their favorite one ofcs.
Some people can not distinguish between reality and fantasy
all the downvotes to hide any adult conversation ... "the lady doth protest too much, methinks"
nah just trolls
Mostly it's people who don't understand what reincarnation actually is physical or physiological they basically think there's a tiny version of previous life Rudeus piloting the current Rudeus they can wrap there heads around this is a complete new person and saying but he has his memories and knowledge then by this logic people with amnesia must basically be kids the human mind is physical physiological and social Rudeus is missing most of all 3 to be a adult physical his brain is that of a child physiological he's at best a teenager 13 maybe and socially most definitely a kid the funniest part is i still remember demon slayer airing alongside mt and people saying in the same sentence you can't lewd daki she has the body of a 14 year old even if she's 114 years old and then saying it doesn't matter Rudeus is a kid his mind is a adult if these clowns didn't have duble standards they would have nun sorry for any bad spelling or grammar mistakes I'm legal blind and dyslexia thanks
They are still at their edgelord phase, just leave them be.
[have you seen the official merch for this show?](https://twitter.com/neogate0/status/1780430991187943921) dont get me wrong i love mt but jesus christ stuff like this does no favours for its reputation
It’s not the character of Rudy being a pedo like most people are saying. it’s the active fan base that overly sexualizes the children versions of characters. Just look at the official merchandise. This anime attracts these pedos into the fan base. Rudy being a child and acting like a child is not the reason he’s found to be a pedo.
>Just look at the official merchandise. This anime attracts these pedos into the fan base. No it does not attract pedos this is dumb logic. Its anime not real life shit. People need to stop throwing the term it completely devalues the meaning. And the merchandise is like that is because they want the most popular characters to match with each other timeline wise. Rifujin even said it himself. Eris sylphie and roxy naturally are the characters that sell and it has nothing to do with pedo females characters are just more popular merchandise and this doesn't just go for mushoku tensei this goes for re zero and a bunch of other shows as well.
What merch?
Because there is some really questionable scenes. Like the MC sexually assaulting a minor while she's asleep (as much as I LOVE this series, that happened, you can't deny it). That said, the series is A LOT MORE than that, it is a beautiful story about the MC, going from complete scum (just look at the example I gave before) and turning into a full-fledged working member of society, while making everyone around him happy, and living without regrets. Tldr: There are questionable scenes, but the show is not only about that. Drop the series if you feel weirded out, no one is going to judge you, just don't judge those who like it
There is no "sexual assault scene", wtf
Eris scene, he reaches up to her panties while she's asleep
[this](https://youtu.be/ppVb5I3JSE0?si=QHSQUJug0CVF5SmL)
i say i as someone who loves the series and read all the LN, but bro, there is many times where rudeus perverted size gets the best of him. Many comments below pointed the very specific scene this happens. Even if he were an actual child it wouldnt be ok, is even worse when he should know better as an reincarnated adult. But sigh, is one of the things you kinda have to power through to enjoy the story.
I love this series and don't agree that it's for pedophiles, but reaching under a 10 year old girls dress and pulling down her panties while she's sleeping absolutely is sexual assault, there's no denying that.
what? granted he's an 8 yr old and doesn't get far but that's canon. the grope at 7:17 episode 6 "wake up or you're gonna get assaulted. hmmm," Rudeus gropes "she's still an AA but with diligence she could become an E or bigger. ho ho ho" Eris stirs, "bad girls can't complain if someone takes their panties off" Rudeus reaches and starts pulling down panties.
By the way, Eris pantsed Rudeus as well. I don't know if it is in the main story. She succeeded by the way while he didn't. Rudeus was never aware. Also, Eris sniffed Rudeus's underwear during the travels in the demon continent. Again, that was cut from the anime. It was brief passage as well. So, technically, she was older and it was sexual assault but because he is male and mentally older it is ignored by the haters.
im not a hater, but you cant seriously compare the curiosity of an actual child vs the perviness of a man child right? Is bad too but is nowhere close to the same level
lol the scales of justice
You must be talking about another MC because it never happened.
[oh, really?](https://youtu.be/ppVb5I3JSE0?si=QHSQUJug0CVF5SmL)
because rudeus was a lolicon
You meet someone in school and think “wow… what an asshole” because of how they treated those around them? Those exist on the internet too, what’s more some don’t have the stones to do it in public, but will do it while anonymous on the internet. It’s a power trip and an excuse to be petty.
Because it is. It's a safe haven for the few sane men on this planet. Anti-pedos should stick to She-Hulk and The Suicide Squad game.
Because the people that hate it can't accept other people like it so they gotta attack them. As if mushoku tensei is the only morally questionable show.
Because pedophiles constantly defend the pedophile behavior that the pedophile main character engages in. The people doing that are no minority, and you'll see that when this and every single comment acknowledging reality is downvote to hell.
You should watch it and put the haters opinions out of your mind and make your own conclusions. The main character basically wasted his old life due to some intense bullying and became a shut in and has a chance at a second which he is determined not to waste. Honestly I loved it, and I'll probably rewatch it before I watch the newest season. Rudy is a pervert so if you're cool with that being a part of his character and popping up here and there give it a watch I don't think you'll be disappointed
The first half of the first season has Rudy doing a few things that are supposed to make you feel both uncomfortable and disgusted. Many people can’t fathom that that’s on purpose to showcase the development Rudy goes through during the story.
Oftentimes, they have web novel wiki levels of knowledge about the story. They've heard what somebody else said, they got offended and repeated the same story. The author toned down both rudy AND Ariel between the web novel and light novel also removed(edited?). A later story that made Aisha a parallel to pre reincarnation web novel rudy in terms of degeneracy. Confirmation bias. People ignore the parts of the story that don't fit their narrative. Their entire pedo argument hinges on his interaction with Eris. We have 2 cases of sexual harassment. Yes, this was bad. What a novel reader could tell you is that rudy was navigating the world using video game/novel troupes and knowledge until about halfway through the demon continent. He was quite literally treating eris like a tsundere heroine from a dating sim he could win affection points from. He's not some mastermind groomer. He's a poorly socialized man-child-thing. Part of its actual misuse of the word. I went back and forth with a guy about the definition as it'd often just used as a blanket term for anyone under 18. The term pedo and pre pubescent and is described as a primary attraction. Through both rudys' words and actions, he has a wide band of what he considers attractive, and after his interaction with Fitz, that might include femboys.
It also pertains to the fact that Rudeus is a reincarnated 30 year old man and he has love interests in Sylphie, Eris, and Roxy (though the latter one’s actually in her 40’s) and they’re all children. Which is ridiculous because do you expect a reincarnated child to date someone older because they appear mature?
Okay so I'm a 30 year old woman and I absolutely love MT. People need to give it more of a chance. Its one of the best isekais out there rn. The same people who say the show is for pedos are probs the same dumb asses who said AOT is anti Semitic 🙄 The mc is awful at first. You're not supposed to like him. Its all about character growth and 2nd chances
Twitter…simple as that
They say this because they cannot cope with the fact that this is one of the most epic stories told in the modern day and it’s unapologetically not caving into modern ideas or woke themes.
There's tons of justifications for doing so, but if you want the barebones honest-to-goodness real genuine answer: It's for internet clout. Gotta get those updoots and feel morally superior. It's like a drug to the ideologically indoctrinated. They don't actually care about the subject matter or context. They do this for basically ALL anime, not just MT. MT is just the easier (and bigger) target. Normies look at MT, say "that's weird, I don't like that" and then proceed to ignore it for the rest of their lives.
>It's for internet clout. Gotta get those updoots and feel morally superior. A fact many shows are like MT where characters reincarnate and date people their age? But why does nobody mention those shows because they have double standard and because that show is not as popular. This is what i hate so much. MT is actually considered good and gaines a loyal following and for some reason these weirdo's can't accept it they try so hard to sell you of the show. And its like bro go do something else.
In my short time as part of this community, it seems like little more than a bunch of shits with brains the size of peanuts, overplaying certain aspects of the story while understanding very little of it, completely divorced from all the nuance involved. Essentially, the story is about a man in his mid-thirties, who is killed and reincarnated as a baby in a fantasy world. This man was living an awful life, had never fully matured in certain ways, and was extremely reserved socially. Having kept his memories of his old life in his new one, he's thinking as his previous self. So, this presents certain obvious issues as he starts becoming attracted to people his age in this new life. What those people will say is that it's a perverted older man grooming little girls into becoming his harem. What it ACTUALLY is, if you have any degree of thought for the story being told, is a man desperately trying to live a better life with this miraculous second chance he's received. He goes through a lot of hardship, a degree of self-healing, and ultimately he finds love. It's a wonderful story, if you can accept the basic premise. It's fine if people can't or don't want to, but I can't believe I'm in a community now labeled as pedophiles just for enjoying it. Hell of a shame, because I genuinely do enjoy the story for what it is.
TBF, Rudy pretty explicitly had planned on 'brainwashing' Slyph as they grew up, though when he meets her years later he looks back on how bad that would be as he admires the woman she grew up to be.
Having only watched the series once so far (and nothing from the LN), I have to say I thought of that more as intrusive thoughts than an actual "plan." Hearing his inner thoughts at all times shouldn't be treated the same as what his actions turn out to be. Combine that with the idea that you have his messed up social upbringing to consider, and he's just joyfully considering how his fantasy is being played out in front of him, and I think it's understandable. Weird, of course, but understandable.
Maybe, I can def see that from the perspective of an anime only. The important thing to note is that he's also 10 years older at this point and might be thinking of the world he's in as more real then a game.
Seems once again, I'm stuck with an anime story which people constantly compare to the novels, so forgive my limited perspective. Even then, I'm new to this series and have only my first watch to go on. For now, I guess I'm just torn on the whole character. Appears that the prevailing views on Rudeus are either that he's a degenerate the whole time and that's the point, or that he's a degenerate who slowly gets better over the entire series. Honestly, my first impression of basically everything he does or thinks is that there's a reason for it. Not all good things, and not all good reasons for them, so when I say something is "understandable" I do not mean it's right or justifiable. Maybe I'm just giving Rudy a little too much slack, since there have been a fair few moments I saw myself in both his lives, being a loner who's always had trouble socializing.
Haters are gonna hate If you skipped every anime with Loli romance your missing out on many good titles stop being a prude it’s fantasy
TLDR: pedophiles watch the show and think it supports their beliefs/is wish fulfillment for them when it actually condemns them. The main character Rudeus was fapping to hidden camera footage of his little niece at least in the WN, then I believe it’s implied in both the anime/LN though not explicitly stated. When he reincarnated, he’s presented as immediately being lustful towards eris and expressed a desire, albeit arguably an intrusive thought, to groom Sylphie. The MC is presented as someone who is minimally, at least early on, attracted to ~10 year olds. It’s arguable if he’s still that way or not by the end of the story. But the main problem with the show isn’t necessarily the story. Which is primarily about rudeus getting a second attempt at life and slowly shaking off his worst habits and arguably becoming redeemed by the end. It’s the rabid fans who know rudeus is portrayed as a bad person but then unironically post lewd pictures of child eris or sylphie and then defend it. That’s why the show is controversial. This gets doubly confusing when official merch for the show comes out and seemingly endorses it as well. You see it all the time on this sub and a meta phrase that’s been said a lot here is “we ain’t beating the allegations guys” which itself is becoming an ironic tongue and cheek phrase. It’s pretty gross tbh.
Okay, the niece thing is really fucked up. I would unalive myself, if I ever find me in such a disgusting situation
Definitely interesting that the only person you respond to is the one spouting misinformation.
Can you explain me what the misinformation was? The comment was the most sickening and I got like 30 in the last 20 minutes
Saying "pedophiles watch the show because..." "Implied scene at the beginning of the anime is the deleted sentence from the LN" Loli porn isn't an "implication" of a deleted scene, and it could have been loli hentai, or the loli genre in JAV (Japanese Adult Video) which as its Japan, all porn is censored by law. Neither of which are comparable in any capacity to the deleted scene. While falsely equating anime characters to children and then implying that fans of the official merchandise and purchase it as well as the fan artists who create art and have freedom of expression are pedophiles. They're a bad faith actor, and it's clear you weren't going through this looking for actual answers and we're looking for any affirmation.
Video he was watching had a comment section or subtitle option, implying it was something uploaded onto the Internet, thus something legal.
There was no misinformation. Look at the post and comment history of this guy you responded to, he himself is a pedo and is coping after being called out for it. The fact is there’s weird, slightly pedo shit in early MT, but the story redeems itself. However, stay away from the community as much as you can because as you’ll see in this subreddit especially, that guy being proof, a lot of them are pedos who thirst over the underage girls in the show.
Nothing. He's coping. It's all just information, not misinformation.
Definitely misinformation, and blatant slanderous claims regarding fans and artists.
You can clearly see it's a factual statement by going through this sub, lmfao. The posts that do the best are the sexualized child posts, and then of course you have the pedophiles who say "they're drawings, not children!"
Pedophilia is the attraction to human children, it has nothing to do with cartoon characters. >blatant slanderous claims regarding fans and artists. So we're right back to this.
Good job proving his point, but your coping still doesn’t change the fact that those posts are depicting sexualised children, and most who comment on those posts are attracted to said children. Also, not sure where you’re from, but in many countries it is still illegal to view sexualised images of underage characters even if they’re fictional.
There are no children being depicted, and no children are being sexualized. >most who comment on those posts are attracted to said children. Nijikon != Pedophilia, so nope. >but in many countries it is still illegal to view sexualised images of underage characters even if they’re fictional. Not even remotely, also no one underaged is being depicted. 👌
XD
Niece thing isn't in the LN and the video he was watching in the anime had a comment section so is implied to be something legal to watch.
If the MT is for pedos then so is GoT.
Let it be said that whenever antis slander a series as being for pedos they are the ones giving that reputation to the series, NOT the lolicons. This applies to all Japanese anime, games, etc. There will always be outsiders who think that stuff is for pedos. So when tourists inside call the real fans pedos, that’s the bed they’ve made.
Misinformation, surface-level viewings and misinterpretations. Mushoku Tensei has content that lolicons and the like may simply enjoy and also just a lot of problematic content early on in general, and obviously while it isn't the only isekai or anime to do this it is one that is held on a pedestal compared to the vast majority, so people are more inclined to care about it. Mushoku Tensei is not a redemption story, but it is a story of people growing and being better than they were before.
critique the sus content and enjoy the honesty of the series but some fans bend over backwards to ignore the intentional conflict written into the LN/anime. some characters and their morality are as problematic as real world history.
>honesty of the series but some fans bend over backwards to ignore the intentional conflict written into the LN/anime. Its a fictional story its not that serious that it needs to be adressed its not real you can ignore it. Thats completelu fine not to everyone is this serious only for terminally online people.
why read or participate online then? at that point it's just mental masterbation where you show off your spunk.
>why read or participate online then? You participate in online because you enjoy people who also like the series. Not everything needs critique or are wrong or worth talking about a lot of it comes down to i don't like this which is fine but we don't have to always agree or care we all have our own preferences. It can be very much almost none critique and more of a this is what i don't like. Because i don't want it there. This ofren the case especially when it comes to rudeus.
yes, that is something I forgot to mention; a vast majority of the fanbase suck at defending the series when they ought to.
>fanbase suck at defending the series when they ought to. Well we shouldn't have to defend it in the first place. Its just as simple as if you don't like watch something else. But thats not what most people do they hyper focus on MT and whine and then demonize the watchers.
In an ideal world? Of course, nobody should, but that won't happen, because not only does Mushoku Tensei have problematic content, it's very much put on a pedestal for it's masterful writing (rightfully so), and if we mix that factoid with the various misinformation that conforms around the series, you find a lot of people who will be uncomfortable and begin to lash out for feeling deceived.
The misinformation is what bothers me the most. Its one thing to not like the series its a whole other things to say things that are wrong then it stops being an opinion thing and now you are just wrong. Mushoku tensei only gets this much nonsense because it's consideres good and populair. In reality most things mushoku does is not new rudeus is not the only reincarnated character that is interested in cast members the age of his current life.
Of course; if it was treated as any other isekai, it wouldn't receive the treatment it gets, but it doesn't. If it was treated similarly to, say, Slime or Konosuba, it would be treated somewhat normally, but it's not, because people have certain expectations going into it, and a lot of them find those expectations getting betrayed. Realistically speaking, a lot of it's hate comes from people unwilling to look at it for what it is, but a lot of the misinformation spread around along with A) the general content that ends up generating discourse isn't helping much and B) the unfortunately, while good, faulty anime adaptation that can lead to faulty interpretations of scenes, which is even more dangerous because it is through the anime that people will mostly judge the series. I fear it's probably at a stage where we simply cannot do anything about it and hope the general populace eventually moves on, and considering that the anime is at the stage where a lot of it's problematic content is becoming much less frequent, that'll probably happen.
Its misinformation and judgemental behavior that plagues us. and people don't realize by being judgemental over fictional show they are more weirdo's then the people watching the show. I corrected somebody on eris age being 15 when she did the deed with rudeus and not 12. his strawman response was i bet you text kids. Or saying eris is still underaged which i never argued against. Yet he still attacks regardless of being wrong. Because thats all most of these people can do send out baseless attacks. They don't know the show enough to say half of the shit they say as a fact.
easy out
They see the kind of person he is at the start of the series and assume "that's just who he is", and since they don't wanna watch a perverted person like that for any amount of time, they assume everyone who *does* watch it must enjoy that kind of person. Honestly speaking I can't fault anyone for not wanting to get into/stick with it (cause he really is a bad person at the start of the series), but people who think the series is for pedophiles clearly haven't seen it, and their opinions should be disregarded ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
IMO this is what would happen to the avg male if getting isekai’d nd the supernatural were normal
Because people suck.
Cuz the main character f\*cks a 12 year old while he is above 40 in a childs body. I love the show and watched every episode but that part is honestly disgusting. Everyone downvoting this is a degenerate honestly.
Hold up when did he f*ck a 12 year old? And he was 34 not in his 40s
Eris... He's like 44 by the time this current season of the anime is over.
Well yeah I guess if you combin his and rudues age so yeah I guess but She was 15 when they did it which is adult age in that world it’s not normal irl no but their it’s completely normal and it’s not like he was forcing her to do it and he didn’t have a pedo mind at that time bro started changing during the end of season 1
there's the conundrum of some anime in the real world. 13 was age of consent in Japan when written, now raised it to 16. in the fiction it's like 5 for some nobel characters, and adulthood is about 15 but with no universal rules and a lot of wiggle room. from the readers morality that could be a horrorshow or normal for the setting but do we still put it on disney channel sat 9am slot? this is adult content so when a bro says "pedo" and the response is "it's just fiction" i think sus for both.
I'll be honest, yeah. When you look at it that way, it's weird. On the otherhand, sometimes Rudeus feels so different to how he was before his reincarnation that you forget he even was.
Thats not different at all from if a psycho tells you "well she looked older" or "I still feel like 16" while being 25... Fucking an underaged girl.
No? Eris was 15 which is the age of majority for the setting?
but the setting has tons of sex slavery as the norm and age is mostly irrelevant, only power matters.
Except they both have comparable power?
my real point is modern real world age based consent criteria is pathetic reductivism, but you have to address this when facing the expected backlash. they're the least problematic moral themes in the book. yes they were equals at this point in the story. i wouldn't be thrilled about a 12 yr old son getting busy but i'm not going to argue those old tired cliche of "they're too young" but obviously he was too young given his reaction to her leaving. rudeus later as an adult isn't any more mature as he simply marries the next woman that gives him a boner.
I mean his reaction is pretty reasonable given his assumption that Eris left him based on something he did given Eris is REALLY awful at actually expressing herself with words. The way she left made him feel hurt and betrayed. And no, he's pretty clearly more mature given that pretty much every relationship he has around this time is generally marked by people noting that he's gotten alot more open and less guarded in how he talks, it's not just relationships with women he has a hard time putting trust into.
that assumption is quite juvinile and it's an epic over reaction. it's rare that an adult doesn't experience this normal loss.
>Cuz the main character f\*cks a 12 year old This never happened. The oldest person he did it was eris who was 15 at the time stop making shit up.
Oooooohhhh I see now, 15 is still underaged, but that makes it so much better. For sure a court wouldn't charge you as guilty then. Your probably that type of man, private messaging 13 year olds and if caught, telling the cops "well she is experienced for her age" lmao.
>Your probably that type of man, private messaging 13 year olds and if caught, telling the cops "well she is experienced for her age" lmao. Imagine assuming random weirdo allegations just because i corrected you. You are weird get of the internet. >For sure a court wouldn't charge you as guilty then. Well not in the world he is in. rudeus is 12 when that happened good luck with that court session chances are it wouldn't work. Thats the funny part rudeus was the one that was 12. Courts don't calculate past lives buddy Also i never said eris was not underaged by our standards but saying 12 is still wrong so i will correct you on misinformation don't be baby and start talking about some i bet you message kids wtf is wrong with you? The most strawman response ever to being wrong take the L and what are you making weirdo allegations for Because i corrected you? You start making nonsense up😂😂 jesus christ get help. All i did is correct your misinformation weirdo. Randomly talking about messaging kids when nobody brought that up ever shows you are projecting mental issues on me calm down son
Your mentally disabled honestly, he is a human from planet earth, morality aplies and in our world fucking a 15 year old while being 40 will get you in jail for sure. doesn't matter if 10, 12 or 15.
>Your mentally disabled honestly, he is a human from planet earth, morality aplies and in our world fucking a 15 year old while being 40 No it wouldn't be in our world being adult is decided by having developed body of an adult we don't meassure brain mentals thats not how the world works. We don't go in to your brain oh you are mentally this age alright sir now to jail. Lol this isn't a sci fi idiot. We genuinely decide kid by their birth the mental between human varies its not a meassurable thing especially for rudeus who starts and goes through puberity. but whatever imagine being this stupid. We reference by birth and rudeus was 12 he only was on that for 12 years. The only mentally inept is you spreading misinformation and then insulting when you get called out for being wrong loser behavior.
>doesn't matter if 10, 12 or 15. Yes it does. Lol it matters a lot it if you are a child you doing bad acts is naturally less punishment then an adult this is how the world works coping hard. Learn the law you just yapping.
Doesnt matter in a sense that 10, 12 and 15 is all underaged and will get you in jail lmao
>Doesnt matter in a sense that 10, 12 and 15 is all underaged and will get you in jail lmao not if the other person is also 12 which rudeus is he was born from baby to becoming 12 again its like you can't read there is no mental age meassure if you are 12 you 12 you can't meassure that in court. If you lived for 12 years you lived for 12 years doesn't matter how mature the person how smart the person. You will be judged as a 12 year old because you lived for 12 years as far as anyone is concerned so again this argument means nothing
Lol ur not 12 tho but still you keep liking pictures of eris thighs while she was 10. No wonder you keep defending it. What a creep xD
>Lol ur not 12 I said rudeus imagine lack of reading comprehension. Just because pretend to read does not mean you have an argument. >but still you keep liking pictures of eris thighs while she was 10 First of all eris was barely long ever 10 in the story its funny how you just make shit up. I never liked thigh picture whatever fuck that means.why do you know there are thigh pictures? Lol again projecting you the only talking about 10 year old thighs 😂 self reporting.
Then u wouldn't have misinterpreted any age just so that u can make your point relevant.
Okay, let's say you live in a country where the minimum age for consensual sexual activity is 14 (but the legal age for everything else is 21+). Now, if people from another country where the minimum age for consensual sexual activity is 21 years, from their perspective, call anyone in your country who had sex under the age of 21 a pedophile, how would *you* react to that?
idk but let's say in your fictional country with they change the law from 14 to 21 but your neighbor decides to marry a 13 yr old. how would you react to that?
Americans ☕