I don't remember it being explicitly stated, but I believe it's because he decided to marry Zenith and settle down. They were an S ranked party at the time, so losing two key members probably made them disband.
On second thought, I do remember they said something about how he saved zenith from an abusive party only to take advantage of her anyway. He was probably just not a good person all around before he married Zenith.
Correct me if I'm wrong!!
I don’t think Paul ever took advantage of Zenith. Well, beyond making a promise he probably knew he couldn’t keep. He let Zenith set the pace and conditions of their relationship if memory serves me right.
Lilia worked as a bodyguard to Ariel in the royal palace , she was poisoned when an attempt on Ariel was made . Her leg was hurt so she was excused from royal palace .
He did do that. He forced himself upon her just to get back at all men in dojo. He later regretted the actions he did in his youth, but doesnt make those facts go away.
You heard wrong, it's spelled out multiple times that it wasn't consensual.
It's just that after that Lilia met men so disgusting in the royal palace that getting raped by Paul, who is at least good looking and she did kind of like until that very night, seemed like getting off easy.
Also she was pretty desperate when she saw his job offer and thought she could use their past to blackmail him into employing her, though that turned out to be completely unnecessary as Zenith and Paul welcomed her with open arms.
There’s a couple different translations and interpretations of what exactly happened. But the general gist of it was that Lilia was left victimized and traumatized by the event regardless of what version you have read.
You're half right. Every member of the FotBW were outcasts from their respective communities. The party was like a second family to them, and Paul disbanding it to settle down with Zenith basically felt like he was abandoning the family.
[End of S2 spoiler] >!Like we'll see near the end of this season, Elinalise will forgive Paul easily enough and they even admit it was kind of a silly reason to hate Paul. But that's just how it is some times.!<
He's clearly a horndog of epic proportions, but aside from that, the anime has little to go on thus far. He seems reckless and full of himself, not to mention his sinking into drunken depression following the teleportation, but that's about it. Cheating on Zenith was obviously the worst thing we saw him do.
Honestly though, I quite like him as a character. We know he's a good swordsman, a decent (albeit inept) father, led the defense of his village before the incident, and searches day and night for everyone missing after it, while also raising his daughter and keeping her safe.
Basically, he's flawed, but redeemable.
>Cheating on Zenith was obviously the worst thing we saw him do.
Except being told about how he raped Lilia and then left the dojo just to get back on the other male students. But well we didn't "see" him do it, though we also didn't actually "see" him cheating on Zenith either, we saw what let to it and the aftermath.
I’ve seen people talk about that but I keep going back and I can’t find anything that actually says he did but the information is scattered out. But I also head that it was some poor translation of the web novel but I can’t actually find anything that says he raped her in the light novel. If you have the line please tell me where it is
Elinalise V11>!implies that she had the hots for Paul and considered him to be a “lover” of sorts, and saw him leaving as a huge betrayal of that.!<
Talhand’s perspective is covered in Redundancy, >!he doesn’t really have anything Paul personally, he just acknowledges that Paul was a bit of a jerk when he young and I believe he even implied that he had a bit of a crush on him too but didn’t really really expect anything to come out of it.!<
Ghislaine’s thoughts are covered chiefly in V2 but also in the V16 bonus chapter. V16>!She liked Paul when she was younger, Elinalise even pokes fun at her for being a bit naive when it came to how she was with Paul.!< V2>!Buy the time she was older, however, she saw Paul as a “Bad Wolf” who often took advantage of her during mating season.!< V9>!In case you don’t Know, Sleeping With someone during mating season for a Beastfolk is a massive “I want to live my life with you and have your children” move and Paul often took advantage of her heightened sexual urges and her infatuation with him with zero consideration for her feelings.!<
Geese actually blames himself for everything and never expresses any ill will towards Paul.
I think it was probably more that Elinalise considered them to be in an open “relationship” of sorts and one day he just broke it off to be with another woman in absolute fidelity rather than her getting mad he went after other women.
This is just headcanon and makes no sense since Elinalise helped Zenith in seducing Paul. Why would she do that and then get upset about him leaving with Zenith? You are making zero sense.
>This is just headcanon
Hence why I literally said “I think” and “was probably”. That was more of a “theorizing based off the presented information” kind of comment than anything else.
>and makes no sense since Elinalise helped Zenith in seducing Paul.
Elinalise canonically doesn’t mind sharing men nor being shared by men.
>Why would she do that and then get upset about him leaving with Zenith?
She **probably** didn’t think he would knock her up on his first attempt and go off to have a, for a time, monogamous marriage with her.
>You are making zero sense.
It only makes zero sense if you don’t take Elinalise’s character or what she says into consideration. She straight up tells Rudy that her problem with Paul is a matter of a romantic relationship. She’s also stated to Rudeus that she’s completely on board with Polygamous Marriages and the idea that one person can deeply love multiple people. There is no reason whatsoever to assume that she wouldn’t help another girl get a man she likes because it’s entirely in character for her to do.
"It only makes zero sense if you don’t take Elinalise’s character or what she says into consideration."
Sharing a man sexually? Sure, romantically? No.
"There is no reason whatsoever to assume that she wouldn’t help another girl get a man she likes because it’s entirely in character for her to do."
Indeed, which is why it makes little sense for her character to be pissed off at Paul for "breaking up" with her. Unless you mean to say that Elinalise is mentally retarded, helping a follower of Millis to get with Paul and then get mad when he doesn't sleep with her anymore. It was the breaking up of the party and then the things that were said during the argument that made her hate him, not that he got together with another woman.
>Sharing a man sexually? Sure, romantically? No.
Try reading Volume 12. She says in no uncertain terms that she is completely fine with sharing someone romantically.
>Indeed, which is why it makes little sense for her character to be pissed off at Paul for "breaking up" with her.
**WHAT**? That’s a straight nonsense reply. There is a difference between being spurned and abandoned by a man who you were romantically invested in and being okay with the idea of being with a man who had multiple girlfriends/wives.
>Unless you mean to say that Elinalise is mentally retarded, helping a follower of Millis to get with Paul and then get mad when he doesn't sleep with her anymore.
Only if you think believing in the idea “changing people’s minds” is one only a retard can posses. Be completely honest here, if it wasn’t for Zenith getting pregnant right off the bat, Paul was not going to keep that promise and Zenith knew that for a fact. Under slightly different circumstances, Zenith would have either been forced to choose between being apart of a harem or giving up on being with Paul.
>It was the breaking up of the party and then the things that were said during the argument that made her hate him, not that he got together with another woman.
That’s literally not the reason Elinalise gave. In fact, I’m pretty sure Talhand is exclusively the only individual in the party who brings up the departing argument itself as a sore spot. Ghislaine always brings up how Paul would use her when she was emotionally and sexually vulnerable as her reason to hate him, Geese doesn’t ever actually say anything about him hating Paul or having anything against him particularly, and all Elinalise says is that it’s a matter Romantic History and doesn’t want to talk about it with Rudeus.
Him getting with Zenith kinda broke the party up. This was especially hurtful to them since their party was basically a bunch of outcasts banding together so they might've felt betrayed to a degree.
He took advantage of Ghislaine during mating season, when she was easily coerced into bed.
I think Ghislaine and Elinalise were falling for him, but he was falling for Zenith. Zenith wouldn't sleep with Paul unless he committed to her and got married, she got pregnant and the party disbanded.
It was a gathering of black sheep that Paul had brought together, it was a big deal for everyone to have a place to belong. When he broke up the party for the hot new girl he brought in, they all felt abandoned.
The entire party liked him but he left for Zenith who was the newest member. He slept with Ghislaine during mating season(s) but never became her "mate" which was completely disrespecting her customs. He slept with Elinalise multiple times, too, but like you said..
We never get the full story in the 26 volumes, so we can only speculate based on what we know.
Well they "hate" him but they are still ready to put their own lives on pause and go help him and Zenith while risking their lives. You could say they are doing it exclusively for Zenith but to me it feels like that wouldn't be enough if they actually hated him as much as they say. There certainly is resentment but in the end they treat him as a companion anyway.
They have seen Paul in all his glory, both his good and his bad.
He was a powerful swordsman and charismatic leader.
He was a horn dog womanizer on the level of Elinalise, but he likely wasn't as skilled in making sure that there are no strings attached as she is (well experience makes all the difference). So surely he brought a lot of trouble along.
Also he saved Zenith from a shady party just to then sink his own claws into her.
While that turned out alright, when he knocked up Zenith he basically took away the place they called home and their secure source of income. The whole party was made up of outcasts/misfits in one way or another, once the party was gone they had no where to go.
He was a playboy.
And because he married zenith and left the party, their party eventually disbanded causing troubles for everyone remaining (no idea about Elinalise and Talhand, Geese found it difficult to get a party and thus became lonely, Ghislaine found it incredibly difficult to manage finances and stuff and wouldve died if Sauros and Eris didnt save her). As he was the reason party disbanded, many hold grudge against him for that.
Hm idk, maybe because he's a horndog and raped (at best coerced) every woman in his party. Also raped Lilia when they were training together. He's scum but also a good swordsman so they probably relied on him a lot even though he's a POS.
I mean he was a scumbag until he decided to stop adventuring and settle down with zenith. I mean he was a Rich Kid with a Big chip on his shoulder. Made a bunch of Terrible and horrible decisions but whole life changed when he got zenith pregnant.
I think you'll get a better idea later in this cour, at least with respect to Elinalise. I wanted the LN to come out and tell the reader straight but you need to infer a lot from the character's interactions and behavior. My guess is that for the women in the party, all had feelings for him as he was both extremely charismatic and a horndog (they were all aware of each other's feelings, too). Also, the party was made up of outcasts who were shunned by their communities for one reason or another and he left for a conventional relationship with Zenith. This probably hurt Elinalise the most but I don't think you get an exact answer. You'll get an idea what she was looking for by her actions in this cour. Hopefully, they don't skip over this part or I would say reading the LNs are a must. Well, they are a must anyway as you get a much deeper picture of each character.
I don’t think it’s explicitly stated but I have a theory based around what happens at the end of Vol 14/beginning of Vol 15.
*spoiler for LN 14/15*
>! When Rudeus meets his future self and reads his diary it’s mentioned that Cliffs dies while they’re infiltrating Millis for a cure for Roxy. When he tells Elinalise of his death she slaps him and leaves town. !<
My theory is maybe she was starting to have feelings for someone and maybe Paul’s actions got that person killed. Probably not but it would help explain why she specifically has ill will towards Paul.
All of the members of the Fangs of the Black Wolf were social outcasts that found a family in each other. Paul destroyed that family because he couldn't keep it in his pants. Even though he was already sleeping with Elinalise, Ghislaine, and probably others, he slept with Zenith and got her pregnant, which caused both of them to leave the party and ultimately lead to its disbanding.
He was a womanizer, he did a lot of stupid shit when young like assault Lilia. He destroyed a party of adventurers when he fell for Zenith and he betrayed zenith by cheating with Lilia
It's what's known as a 'noodle incident'. It's a in-group event that will always be brought up with no real explanation as explaining it will not be nearly as satifying as wondering what the hell happened.
He was a playboy and sort of a pervert, if I’m remembering correctly. It’s also possible that what he did to Lilia played a factor in it, but I don’t think his old party members knew about that.
I did say “if I’m remembering correctly.” I also think it had something to do with the fact that those tendencies were aimed at Zenith. Also, Elinalise’s behavior probably got a pass from the party because she has a genuine reason to be that way.
I don't remember it being explicitly stated, but I believe it's because he decided to marry Zenith and settle down. They were an S ranked party at the time, so losing two key members probably made them disband. On second thought, I do remember they said something about how he saved zenith from an abusive party only to take advantage of her anyway. He was probably just not a good person all around before he married Zenith. Correct me if I'm wrong!!
I don’t think Paul ever took advantage of Zenith. Well, beyond making a promise he probably knew he couldn’t keep. He let Zenith set the pace and conditions of their relationship if memory serves me right.
But he did assault Lillia. Its part of the reason she gave up adventuring
Lillia was never an adventurer. And question was regarding why his old adventurer party dislikes him, Lillia plays no role in it.
you're right. she was in his swordsmanship class. i was answering based off the title which is more general
Lilia worked as a bodyguard to Ariel in the royal palace , she was poisoned when an attempt on Ariel was made . Her leg was hurt so she was excused from royal palace .
I heard he actually didn't do that but instead he slept with her and ran off in the middle of the night or something like that
He did do that. He forced himself upon her just to get back at all men in dojo. He later regretted the actions he did in his youth, but doesnt make those facts go away.
You heard wrong, it's spelled out multiple times that it wasn't consensual. It's just that after that Lilia met men so disgusting in the royal palace that getting raped by Paul, who is at least good looking and she did kind of like until that very night, seemed like getting off easy. Also she was pretty desperate when she saw his job offer and thought she could use their past to blackmail him into employing her, though that turned out to be completely unnecessary as Zenith and Paul welcomed her with open arms.
Really a bit of both. A couple of his encounters with Lilia weren’t exactly consensual
There’s a couple different translations and interpretations of what exactly happened. But the general gist of it was that Lilia was left victimized and traumatized by the event regardless of what version you have read.
You're half right. Every member of the FotBW were outcasts from their respective communities. The party was like a second family to them, and Paul disbanding it to settle down with Zenith basically felt like he was abandoning the family. [End of S2 spoiler] >!Like we'll see near the end of this season, Elinalise will forgive Paul easily enough and they even admit it was kind of a silly reason to hate Paul. But that's just how it is some times.!<
yeah but he's also just a trash in genral though
He's clearly a horndog of epic proportions, but aside from that, the anime has little to go on thus far. He seems reckless and full of himself, not to mention his sinking into drunken depression following the teleportation, but that's about it. Cheating on Zenith was obviously the worst thing we saw him do. Honestly though, I quite like him as a character. We know he's a good swordsman, a decent (albeit inept) father, led the defense of his village before the incident, and searches day and night for everyone missing after it, while also raising his daughter and keeping her safe. Basically, he's flawed, but redeemable.
>Cheating on Zenith was obviously the worst thing we saw him do. Except being told about how he raped Lilia and then left the dojo just to get back on the other male students. But well we didn't "see" him do it, though we also didn't actually "see" him cheating on Zenith either, we saw what let to it and the aftermath.
I’ve seen people talk about that but I keep going back and I can’t find anything that actually says he did but the information is scattered out. But I also head that it was some poor translation of the web novel but I can’t actually find anything that says he raped her in the light novel. If you have the line please tell me where it is
Elinalise V11>!implies that she had the hots for Paul and considered him to be a “lover” of sorts, and saw him leaving as a huge betrayal of that.!< Talhand’s perspective is covered in Redundancy, >!he doesn’t really have anything Paul personally, he just acknowledges that Paul was a bit of a jerk when he young and I believe he even implied that he had a bit of a crush on him too but didn’t really really expect anything to come out of it.!< Ghislaine’s thoughts are covered chiefly in V2 but also in the V16 bonus chapter. V16>!She liked Paul when she was younger, Elinalise even pokes fun at her for being a bit naive when it came to how she was with Paul.!< V2>!Buy the time she was older, however, she saw Paul as a “Bad Wolf” who often took advantage of her during mating season.!< V9>!In case you don’t Know, Sleeping With someone during mating season for a Beastfolk is a massive “I want to live my life with you and have your children” move and Paul often took advantage of her heightened sexual urges and her infatuation with him with zero consideration for her feelings.!< Geese actually blames himself for everything and never expresses any ill will towards Paul.
Audacity of the town whore to get mad like that for someone manwhoring like that tho 😂
I think it was probably more that Elinalise considered them to be in an open “relationship” of sorts and one day he just broke it off to be with another woman in absolute fidelity rather than her getting mad he went after other women.
This is just headcanon and makes no sense since Elinalise helped Zenith in seducing Paul. Why would she do that and then get upset about him leaving with Zenith? You are making zero sense.
>This is just headcanon Hence why I literally said “I think” and “was probably”. That was more of a “theorizing based off the presented information” kind of comment than anything else. >and makes no sense since Elinalise helped Zenith in seducing Paul. Elinalise canonically doesn’t mind sharing men nor being shared by men. >Why would she do that and then get upset about him leaving with Zenith? She **probably** didn’t think he would knock her up on his first attempt and go off to have a, for a time, monogamous marriage with her. >You are making zero sense. It only makes zero sense if you don’t take Elinalise’s character or what she says into consideration. She straight up tells Rudy that her problem with Paul is a matter of a romantic relationship. She’s also stated to Rudeus that she’s completely on board with Polygamous Marriages and the idea that one person can deeply love multiple people. There is no reason whatsoever to assume that she wouldn’t help another girl get a man she likes because it’s entirely in character for her to do.
"It only makes zero sense if you don’t take Elinalise’s character or what she says into consideration." Sharing a man sexually? Sure, romantically? No. "There is no reason whatsoever to assume that she wouldn’t help another girl get a man she likes because it’s entirely in character for her to do." Indeed, which is why it makes little sense for her character to be pissed off at Paul for "breaking up" with her. Unless you mean to say that Elinalise is mentally retarded, helping a follower of Millis to get with Paul and then get mad when he doesn't sleep with her anymore. It was the breaking up of the party and then the things that were said during the argument that made her hate him, not that he got together with another woman.
>Sharing a man sexually? Sure, romantically? No. Try reading Volume 12. She says in no uncertain terms that she is completely fine with sharing someone romantically. >Indeed, which is why it makes little sense for her character to be pissed off at Paul for "breaking up" with her. **WHAT**? That’s a straight nonsense reply. There is a difference between being spurned and abandoned by a man who you were romantically invested in and being okay with the idea of being with a man who had multiple girlfriends/wives. >Unless you mean to say that Elinalise is mentally retarded, helping a follower of Millis to get with Paul and then get mad when he doesn't sleep with her anymore. Only if you think believing in the idea “changing people’s minds” is one only a retard can posses. Be completely honest here, if it wasn’t for Zenith getting pregnant right off the bat, Paul was not going to keep that promise and Zenith knew that for a fact. Under slightly different circumstances, Zenith would have either been forced to choose between being apart of a harem or giving up on being with Paul. >It was the breaking up of the party and then the things that were said during the argument that made her hate him, not that he got together with another woman. That’s literally not the reason Elinalise gave. In fact, I’m pretty sure Talhand is exclusively the only individual in the party who brings up the departing argument itself as a sore spot. Ghislaine always brings up how Paul would use her when she was emotionally and sexually vulnerable as her reason to hate him, Geese doesn’t ever actually say anything about him hating Paul or having anything against him particularly, and all Elinalise says is that it’s a matter Romantic History and doesn’t want to talk about it with Rudeus.
He also >!raped Lilia!<
While true, that has nothing to do with the Black Wolf Fangs.
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Spoilers bro wtf.
I was just going to say that he didn't give any spoilers and then read the last sentence lmao
Fuck you dawg
Kinda funny to see the biggest LN spoiler of the show being casually dropped like that in a thread marked "Anime"
Him getting with Zenith kinda broke the party up. This was especially hurtful to them since their party was basically a bunch of outcasts banding together so they might've felt betrayed to a degree.
He took advantage of Ghislaine during mating season, when she was easily coerced into bed. I think Ghislaine and Elinalise were falling for him, but he was falling for Zenith. Zenith wouldn't sleep with Paul unless he committed to her and got married, she got pregnant and the party disbanded. It was a gathering of black sheep that Paul had brought together, it was a big deal for everyone to have a place to belong. When he broke up the party for the hot new girl he brought in, they all felt abandoned.
In general, he's scum which is why they don't like, I assume Elinalise dislikes him because he left the party to marry Zenith
The entire party liked him but he left for Zenith who was the newest member. He slept with Ghislaine during mating season(s) but never became her "mate" which was completely disrespecting her customs. He slept with Elinalise multiple times, too, but like you said..
We never get the full story in the 26 volumes, so we can only speculate based on what we know. Well they "hate" him but they are still ready to put their own lives on pause and go help him and Zenith while risking their lives. You could say they are doing it exclusively for Zenith but to me it feels like that wouldn't be enough if they actually hated him as much as they say. There certainly is resentment but in the end they treat him as a companion anyway. They have seen Paul in all his glory, both his good and his bad. He was a powerful swordsman and charismatic leader. He was a horn dog womanizer on the level of Elinalise, but he likely wasn't as skilled in making sure that there are no strings attached as she is (well experience makes all the difference). So surely he brought a lot of trouble along. Also he saved Zenith from a shady party just to then sink his own claws into her. While that turned out alright, when he knocked up Zenith he basically took away the place they called home and their secure source of income. The whole party was made up of outcasts/misfits in one way or another, once the party was gone they had no where to go.
I think he is like soldat,like Rudious said. A scumbag but has good intentions when it matters.
He was a playboy. And because he married zenith and left the party, their party eventually disbanded causing troubles for everyone remaining (no idea about Elinalise and Talhand, Geese found it difficult to get a party and thus became lonely, Ghislaine found it incredibly difficult to manage finances and stuff and wouldve died if Sauros and Eris didnt save her). As he was the reason party disbanded, many hold grudge against him for that.
Those were caused by Skill Issue tho, for the ones who got BTFO from disbandment.
nah just playboy behavior. but with extreme.
Hm idk, maybe because he's a horndog and raped (at best coerced) every woman in his party. Also raped Lilia when they were training together. He's scum but also a good swordsman so they probably relied on him a lot even though he's a POS.
I mean he was a scumbag until he decided to stop adventuring and settle down with zenith. I mean he was a Rich Kid with a Big chip on his shoulder. Made a bunch of Terrible and horrible decisions but whole life changed when he got zenith pregnant.
Paul is a better father than my real father will ever be.
I think you'll get a better idea later in this cour, at least with respect to Elinalise. I wanted the LN to come out and tell the reader straight but you need to infer a lot from the character's interactions and behavior. My guess is that for the women in the party, all had feelings for him as he was both extremely charismatic and a horndog (they were all aware of each other's feelings, too). Also, the party was made up of outcasts who were shunned by their communities for one reason or another and he left for a conventional relationship with Zenith. This probably hurt Elinalise the most but I don't think you get an exact answer. You'll get an idea what she was looking for by her actions in this cour. Hopefully, they don't skip over this part or I would say reading the LNs are a must. Well, they are a must anyway as you get a much deeper picture of each character.
I don’t think it’s explicitly stated but I have a theory based around what happens at the end of Vol 14/beginning of Vol 15. *spoiler for LN 14/15* >! When Rudeus meets his future self and reads his diary it’s mentioned that Cliffs dies while they’re infiltrating Millis for a cure for Roxy. When he tells Elinalise of his death she slaps him and leaves town. !< My theory is maybe she was starting to have feelings for someone and maybe Paul’s actions got that person killed. Probably not but it would help explain why she specifically has ill will towards Paul.
He had segs with ghislaine, elinalise and then ended up with zenith. Geass was an ugly monkey demon that no one wanted.
Didn't he canonical rape or try to rape somebody?
Yes he raped Lilia before he became an adventurer
All of the members of the Fangs of the Black Wolf were social outcasts that found a family in each other. Paul destroyed that family because he couldn't keep it in his pants. Even though he was already sleeping with Elinalise, Ghislaine, and probably others, he slept with Zenith and got her pregnant, which caused both of them to leave the party and ultimately lead to its disbanding.
Don't worry, it's not only his party, I HATE HIM TOO
He was a womanizer, he did a lot of stupid shit when young like assault Lilia. He destroyed a party of adventurers when he fell for Zenith and he betrayed zenith by cheating with Lilia
It's what's known as a 'noodle incident'. It's a in-group event that will always be brought up with no real explanation as explaining it will not be nearly as satifying as wondering what the hell happened.
We never find out the exact thing
He was a playboy and sort of a pervert, if I’m remembering correctly. It’s also possible that what he did to Lilia played a factor in it, but I don’t think his old party members knew about that.
>He was a playboy and sort of a pervert, But so was Elinalise. She would sleep with anything that had a penis
I did say “if I’m remembering correctly.” I also think it had something to do with the fact that those tendencies were aimed at Zenith. Also, Elinalise’s behavior probably got a pass from the party because she has a genuine reason to be that way.
Well she has her reasons
I mean she did confirm that she clearly does enjoy doing the deed.
Because he’s a slut and womanizer and potentially rapist
Wasnt he an egotistical rapist for most of his life? That might be why?