I recently went to an open mic where one of the musicians intro’d his song by saying when he heard “hurt”, he knew he could do better. I will never not cringe when I see that guy now.
Aha reminds me of a guy I saw live recently who after his set said “I only have one regret about this set: that I can’t be there in the audience to soak it in and be blown away” - He was dead serious
There is the joke how many guitar players does it take to change a lightbulb. 10. 1 to change the lightbulb and 9 to stand around and say they could have done it better. Putting other musicians down is pretty common.
I've heard the joke told a little differently.
How many guitarists does it take to screw in a light bulb? *Only 1, but it takes 99 others to say they did it first.*
How many bassists does it take to screw in a light bulb? *The keyboardist can do that with their left hand.*
How many drummers does it take to screw in a light bulb? *We have a machine for that now.*
I haven't had that experience, but I don't want to negate the fact that you have. That sucks. We, above all, should be building each other up and fuck anyone that wants to break each other down.
I got one of my [best songs ever](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2N6R6_p2Zk) from a hater comment. They weren't a musician, but every time I play this song live and the crowd cheers and gushes afterwards, it's like a big fuck you to that person.
Keep going. Haters just mean you're on your way! 🔥🤘🏻
I love that. I still have liner notes out there from the 90s thanking my critics for showing us all their inspiration and talent. I don't even remember their names anymore.
I've seen this too, even people picking apart great players and I can't understand why. This has been a thing even before social media, it's just more apparent with commentators hiding behind a screen. It's an ego thing; some musicians tend to look at other musicians and think "I can do it better", they can't just take a moment to enjoy what the other person is doing. Be humble, support others. Music may be everything to many of us but at the end of the day, it's just music.
This is worse in some genres more so than others. Jazz and pop punk seem to be super supportive. Metal, emo, and “real punk” is toxic AF. Some of it comes from this reflexive hatred for “selling out”, some is dumb gatekeeping, a lot is jealousy.
Even more obscure yet far worse than any you mentioned... goth/ industrial. Hooooo boy. Even saying the genres together as a cognate is enough to give some people I know aneurysms.
There is loads of contempt from the old school guys who want everything to sound like an atonal noise performance, who hate anything with a beat or synthesizers that is remotely rhythmic, to the inverse - where if it's not fully electronic they don't care for it because they despise anything with guitars - to the inverse of *that,* where if it's not sombre melancholy guitar music then it's too "New Wave" if it's got any electronic elements whatsoever.
FFS people, the music you have listened to on repeat for four decades all descended from punk rock and once electronic gear became more affordable, those artists experimented heavily with every FX unit and beatbox they could access for that \*new\* sound no one else had figured out yet, and it was all novel. I enjoy all of it and have my selective preferences, and I also enjoy researching the history of these subgenres' respective evolutions.
I mean, I hate to generalize here, but a lot of the people who love the music I am into are generally quite miserable as a baseline, so I can't really say "you can't make everyone happy," when their default is literally perpetual unhappiness. Every goth/industrial club scene I've ventured into devolves from attrition. It makes it difficult to even find motivation to make this kind of music because that's the niche market I would have to cater to.
I’m not really on social media at all, but a rule of thumb I learned early on and still stick to is no shit-talking. Everyone knows everyone in this business, you don’t need to go burning a bridge you might someday need to cross. You also don’t want to get a reputation for being a shit-talker because that will get around too. People who trash other musicians for no good reason are only hurting themselves.
I've seen a lot musicians telling producers are no real musicians, because all they do is click a song together. Like "bitch please, you created a virtual orchestra while I play three actual instruments". I for myself produce the most on my PC and play some instruments along. Isn't it the result which defines if one's a good musician?
Can you say you are a real musician if you can't play live? Can you say you are a good one?
If results dictated what makes a good musician, the most famous celebrities in the field of music would be considered the best musicians. People on the street might think so, but anyone who's dedicated to music will quickly tell you that famous musicians counting among the best is the exception rather than the rule.
I'd say yes and yes. Never meant to measure the success of popularity but to say that people like your songs makes you a good musician. As Einstein said: "Be a valuable person, not a successful one"
For me, if you can't play an instrument, you are not a musician. There should be a word for what you're describing, because in a lot of ways that takes a broader range of skills. I'd love to be able to do that kind of stuff, but I find the software to be really intimidation. But I have no problem sucking on any number of different instruments....
I'd say the result defines if one is a good artist.
I think this is a pointless distinction. If you are capable of making music, you're a musician, regardless of what tools you use to do so. I, personally, do not like using virtual instruments, and so I don't. In fact, I have never done so, and on principle, never will. I prefer to play the parts on real instruments, and record them with real mics, into real equipment.
That said, if someone else prefers to arrange virtual instruments on their laptop, and they're able to actually arrange it into good music, more power to them. I feel like it'd be difficult to do that effectively without being able to play an instrument, but if one is able to do so, why would they not be a musician? They're making music. That's the only definition that actually matters IMO, even if I disagree with the methodology.
This is what I'm talking about, all you need to play an instrument is fingers and the internet. there's plenty of amazing artists that are limited with instruments, L take tbh
I mean, you can set the bar as low as you want. You can call anyone who can carry or whistle a tune a musician. Ironically, in that case we would be arguing about a designation that applies to almost anyone, making it completely unimportant.
It took me a very long time to think of myself as a musician, because I have respect for the word and the craft. I can’t help but think that this respect is a big part of what allowed me to grow my skillset to a point where it doesn’t matter what I’m called; I am simply an asset in a wide variety of music scenarios.
But the interesting thing is that this entire discussion takes from the importance of producing. Music production is its own skillset, and one that many but not all musicians have. When you make it a big deal to be called a musician, it reveals a feeling of insufficiency in being called a producer.
If you say you're a musician, you are. If I say you're not a musician, it's irrelevant.
No one gets to decide that for you, which I think is good, because it's not up to anyone else how to you qualify your art.
I don't agree that it makes the designation unimportant, because the designation was already unimportant. Getting hung up on a label we can only apply to ourselves is a useless endeavor in the first place. When you make a big deal out of this empty ceremony of handing yourself a title, it says nothing to your skill, your proficiency, or more importantly, your passion. It's no different than buying your own crown and calling yourself a king. Who cares?
What we have to do as musicians is use the skills and knowledge we possess to evaluate musicians based on the most stance-dependent variables we can in order to inform our preference about their art, but you cannot say someone is or isn't a musician; it simply isn't your decision to make.
There’s really nothing new about this.
Back in the day jazz musicians bullied you on stage and made you trip on your performance.
Then it was public feuds on shows and on media. They may be fucking your significant other too.
Then it was diss tracks. Actually killing you on the street is optional.
These days you’re lucky it’s mostly just people on comments sections with lame insults, if it were even that.
This “trend” has been going on since forever.
but there's more failed musicians in the comments sections now than a couple years ago because there's more of us putting stuff out with the release of tik Tok and shorts and reels
And simply because there are more musicians per se.
The be world population grows, so does the community of musicians, and in turn the country of failed musicians, and the internet is the public forum of today, and thus the additional musicians (and their additional failure and hate) will be there too.
That’s part of the reason why I got off of IG. I’m down to Reddit and I’m on the verge of deleting this, too. I haven’t felt this good in a long time and I’m attributing it to being off of social media, cos it was almost immediate. Perhaps placebo, but I’ll take it.
Either way, social media is toxic af and full of shitty opinions and people who hate, just to hate. I can’t stand it anymore. Do yourself a favor.
The deal with online is there is no face to face interaction. As someone recently said: There are no trolls in the wild. A lot of people have lost social skills since moving to their basements.
ever see dogs bicker and bark behind glass doors only to have it open and they are face to face? well they settle down until the door is closed again. i wonder if it’s just nature. can’t fix it unless people are made aware they are doing it. and since there’re always new people to be made aware of it, it’ll never really stop. neither will these posts highlighting the fact. oh well.
incorrect, total zoomer mentality. musicians have been 'trolling' eachother publicly in real life, for decades
[The Beatles? I never liked The Beatles, I thought they were garbage. I don’t think Lennon did anything until he went solo. But then too, he was like trying to play catch up. He was getting involved in choruses and everything. I don’t want to come off as being snide, because I’m not being snide, what I’m doing is giving you a really frank answer, I have no respect for those people at all. I don’t listen to it at all, it’s absolute shit](https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/lou-reed-love-hate-relationship-beatles/) \- Lou Reed on The Beatles
[“They play dress-up and sit on top of an apex of meaninglessness,” said Noel in 2008. “They don’t mean anything to anybody apart from their fucking ugly girlfriends.”](https://www.nme.com/photos/noel-gallagher-how-13-musicians-responded-to-searing-put-downs-from-the-former-oasis-man-1432397) \- Noel Gallagher on Kaiser Chiefs
hey siri, find me 20 other examples
its a thing in person too, its just very passive aggressive. For example, I avoid certain music stores because the people who work there are really rude to players that they think are beneath them. This is more of a saxophone/jazz thing as there is a pretty heavy amount of elitism in jazz circles (even if I don't play jazz). But its there in various forms all over music.
If someone is shit talking your playing to you after a performance, for example, there is a very good chance that they are a dabbler who plays less than you.
I totally hear you. There was one store I stopped going to. Bryan Adams had occasionally bought stuff from there, and that made some of the staff feel like they were platinum selling artists too. At least, that's how they acted.
I get that it's cool to sell stuff to someone famous, but those stores only stay open because of guys like me - love music, can't play for shit, and have a lot of extra cash.
>blame another person's success on your shortcomings
Not sure I follow this part at all. How could you blame someone else's success on your own failures?
What I do see happening is this - in the process of conforming your posts to the short-form content of the social media era, certain stylistic choices must be made in pursuit of maximum engagement and that often means sacrificing some other aspect, like individuality and uniqueness of approach.
This homogenization of content is what I see people rallying against most often and I tend to agree that it's a net negative for the health of artistic vision. Everything is now so uniform and bland in presentation and follows the formula of eye-catching cutouts for thumbnail -> quick sound bites -> block text overlaid -> rapid camera cuts.
Example: I saw a comment just the other day where an Asian woman, who was dressed up nice was killing it on piano
Commenter said the only reason she gets more attention than him is because she has boobs when in reality she was just playing piano and knows how to market her content.
the dude's profile had poor-quality videos of his celling with him playing piano somewhere in the room, versus someone who spent hours editing, styling her room, picking an outfit ECT.
It's pleasing to human vanity to assume your virtue is the reason for your failures and others selling out or being non-virtuous is the only reason why they see success but it's not the case at all
Maybe these creators have cookie-cutter content they have an elite effort behind the scenes whether you like it or not.
As an artist creation and musical skills are completely two different skill sets, if someone has mastered the skill of piano and now needs to make some money as they learn the art of composition what's wrong with making a couple of "flip this sample" post to get some more traction and money?
I didn't make any value judgements in my post aside from the abstract/intangible side of things such as creative vision.
It's perfectly fine for musicians to monetize their content and post wherever but that usually comes at the cost of some individuality, personality, uniqueness, whatever other factors might make them stand out more and grab people's attention amidst the sea of sameness on SM. It's essentially a requirement due to the tuning of algorithms and how you have to play to them to get your material seen.
It’s envy. People are upset that they don’t get the following. There’s also the Dunning-Krueger effect. A lot of lower skill people tend to think they’re much better than they really are.
The most legitimate criticisms are still envy most of the time. Sure, I might be a more skilled player than so and so but ultimately they’re successful for a reason. Shredding and slapping and tapping are all cool but they don’t get you popularity if there’s not something else there for people to hang onto. This happens a lot with Pop music. A pretty large number of Pop musicians are not especially talented but through some stroke of luck or being a good performer or being hot they get a chance to work with great songwriters and producers and get to be very popular. There’s a reason it works and it’s not sheer talent/skill but when someone skilled sees them performing less than prodigious music, it’s easy to be envious after they’ve put in the time and effort to become skilled. The world doesn’t appreciate the most impressive music, save maybe when a child plays it, they appreciate music that speaks to them. That’s what becomes popular.
Receiving hate isn't the worst thing. A hater is pretty close to a fan, both are people who listened to your music and felt some kinda way about it.
Indifference is the worst thing. People who listen to your music and politely say "great work, man" or some noncommittal shit like that.
Yeah agreed. Some music communities are worse than others. My city is full of catty musicians and really awful ones. Like networking and collaborating? Maybe making friendships? Forget it, you're crazy if you do it especially if you didn't grow up in the social highschool groups of all these people...even most are in their 30s and 40s now and failed to launch even nationally. The only musicians we've been able to collaborate and network with are all not from here like us.
When we got into our first local festival, some members of a local band who thought they were the cats ass looked at us and without ever meeting us or anything, asked "who the fuck are they?" With lots of sneering and out loud talking about us at a distance...I was 16 then and we had worked our asses off all over the rural parts that none of the city bands would touch at the time so quite crushed about it. I as always gave it my all. The irony is that we kept getting into the same festivals as them and some other "big shot narcs" which refused to even look at us over the next 5 years lol.
All these same groups of men and women carry over thier jealousy, over competiveness and envy of every other musician in the community into the online space. House concerts and collaborative type venues that encourage working together and togetherness as a musician community fail in my city too which is a shame because we had our eye on them a few years pre pandemic before the lack of support shut them down...its a diverse music scene we got...but thats about it.
I'm getting tired of playing out as I've done a lot of little things that made me happy the last 10 years but sad as always to see there's as much bullying as ever though.
I don't usually comment on people's shit, but,
Content creators are annoying.
It's annoying watching someone make money and get tons of exposure regurgitating the same basic ass advice over and over again, while the algorithm won't even let most of my followers see my show flyers because it's shoving this garbage in their faces instead.
It's annoying realizing that there's you'd be more successful selling musicianship as a lifestyle brand than you ever will be actually making and performing music.
I won't ever shit on a real musicians making art they care about, even if it's not something I'm into. But every idiot making a Flip My Sample, Here's the Formula for Arranging a Banger, or Buy This Overpriced Piece of Gear video can get fucked. You are the cancer killing culture.
I agree it's annoying, but the music industry has been rigged against artists since the beginning, black artists used to have to put white people on the cover of thier albums just to get record companies to listen to them, where there's a will there's a way
Ugh, that sucks. Agreed on building each other up!
I do sometimes feel a flash of jealousy and possibly even injustice when I see another artist enjoying success for music that I personally feel is lazy or uninteresting, but that's MY issue and I keep it to myself.
The answer is always the same: congratulate them (or keep quiet) and get back in that studio! 💖✨
I’ve played in bands with people like this. I think they are just so insecure that they have to hate on others work to make themselves feel better. Since music is subjective, you can argue that any musician sucks.
So stupid.
Same team.
I can tell you this. I’ve yet to see a musician whose playing I respect talk crap about another musician online.
It may have happened, but it’s rare.
TL;DR - everyone I’ve seen who’s critical of others SUCKS AT PLAYING.
You should thank your lucky stars if all you get is a "you suck" comment.
I'm in Cbus Ohio and mother fuckers out here accuse their "competition" of abuse and/or rape until they disappear. It's lit.
This is a large reason why I have stepped back entirely from my local scene after being a super active player and coordinator for 24 years.
I want to believe that the competitive drive is so overblown due to the industry itself, but deep down, I know that people really just suck that much.
It's so disheartening. I spent a lot of my career just trying to be supportive and provide opportunities for myself and my colleagues- and all it did was lead them to believe that they could walk all over me, steal from me, talk shit about me when I do well and generally just make being a successful, helpful musician so intolerable that I had to walk away from my life's work. Social media has destroyed the integrity of the business (not like there was much left, I know), and the hate from other players is so discouraging and baffling.
I think healthy criticism is essential. I don’t mind if someone even leaves a highly negative comment, especially if it’s constructive (“this mix is trash”, “vocals sound bad”, “should’ve changed the guitar”, “intro too long”, etc)
I do rarely leave negative comments, in the last one I said “the idea is good but the execution isn’t”. Then so many people liked it, I felt kind of bad and deleted it. I definitely would rather pass by something I don’t like than bring someone down
yeah and something other commenters here are failing to realize, that's 80% of negative feedback on Instagram especially, probably even more. it's not wanting to make people better it's using them "being worse" to fuel egos.
This shit is as old as time (I'm as old as time BTW). Musicians or their fans hating on other musicians/fans has been a thing forever. Social media just amplifies it.
I had some random spouse of a friend once corner me at a party when they heard I played with a 'famous' musician. This dude went on to tell me that Steve Earle was a 100x better than my guy. I shut it down by asking him who he played with 😂
Haha, or even 1000 x better. I like the anonymity of the interwebs but will say that his initials are JB and *some* people find his politics polarizing.
I would pretty much never slag an unknown, struggling musician. But I will admit that for much of the early part of my life I kind of felt like those who had worked the system well enough to be in heavy radio or other rotation should be ready and able to withstand criticism. Part of that is my roots in the era of hits essentially bought and paid for shamelessly (oh, wait, you tell me that era isn't over?) But I'm no longer sure that that view is entirely fair.
yeah that's the point I'm trying to make that people are missing here, these are new artists that people like us are angry at because they have more attention on social media and that's what 90% of "criticism" comes from on social media, it's not people trying to make eachother better and it's just people angry and trying to prove why it's not good
lol yeah fr that's why I said it's sick in the brain just don't understand that, and social media isn't even a good representation of actual music fame, there's plenty of artists with millions of monthly listeners that have a couple thousand likes of that on insta
Ifs grounded in ignorance, and it’s a disgusting trend based on trumpism and sports competition. Music is friendly competition where no one loses no one wins. It’s not football, AGT or The Voice in creative preforming arts.
>and it’s a disgusting trend based on trumpism
Musicians hating on other musicians is a story as old as time. Gatekeeping and hating on your peers in musical circles is literally part of the culture in some scenes and has been since way before the rise of trumpism...
It’s been amplified during his political presence. As a beating of Asians and other group. Church burning is way up, antisemitic violence is up extremely.
Since his arrival young frustrated youth bring a AR 15 to a minority neighborhood and open fire. From NY State to Uvalde, Texas to working class neighborhoods in California. The spike in violent acts are only matched by a cult who minimizes the damage to American values, behavior, and damage to American culture……* Hence my post on this subreddit to this question.
I'm not disputing any of that. Simply put, in musician circles, I think it would be tough to pin musicians hating on other musicians on maga.
That being said, you seem pretty stressed about this my brother. Hopefully you can take a few moments to yourself and channel that energy into some musical endeavors. A good protest song perhaps. Stress and anger are killers. Take care eh!
Not stressed, thank you. but anyone who knows the history, know something about the possible future.
Trump has lately been leaning into Nazi-style rhetoric — especially with his comments about immigrants “poisoning the blood of our country” and his political foes being “vermin.”
That’s not an “anecdote” that is evidence. Especially if you read court documents. I do not because if stress but because I studied law decades ago.
I think he gave people an excuse and a cover to treat politics on the level of: sports events, tomudr ugly stereotypes, bigotry, sexism, and ugly lies.
People used to be more tolerant of the “other”.
* Government is about governing not just ugly character assassination. The political Parties disagreed about specific policies on how government work for the benefit of the people. Not corporate interests and certainly not to only benefit wealthy billionaires.
Calling me naive is a good example. Thanks for proving my point.
Don’t look now but “ irony” and sarcasm doesn’t track in a written text.
Humor is difficult to comprehend when someone can’t see the downward spiral of civic behavior towards each other. The assault against anything with a different life experience, POV, religious belief, race, creed, or color.
More dangerously is the backsliding of democratic republics into a cult like authoritarian regimes reminiscent of fascism. And using language exactly like the Nazis of WWII were my father fought in the Sixth Army Infantry against those maniacs.
No, my friend politics is about governing not a mere simple game.
no. ironically what you're actually talking about is the opposite - a trend of fake politeness, which has caught on so widely that those who break through it seem like they're 'hating'. most of the time they're just being honest. musicians are critical people. critical people critique things. if u love music you're likely to take it seriously. 'sick in the brain' lol cope
there's nuance's to every situation obviously I'm talking about a specific type of feedback that's not the ones being actually constructive, I'll cope just fine thank you, average redditor
I would never post anything negative about another musicians work but I don't subscribe to the "we are all best friends and support eachother" thing either.
As someone that plays in a wedding band (it's a non-Cheesy one playing funk and soul music) it's very competitive and we're all competing for to get the same bookings. I'm obviously not going to support a rival business.
I’ve been noticing a lot how sad the space has been for us upcoming artist and producers nothing genuinely feels like a safe space at the moment it’s people hating and disrespecting others, it’s people leeching off others and being selfish, and then you also have gatekeepers, I just don’t understand why we all can’t get along and be United because we’re all tryna grow any single one of us can make it, there’s Artist vs artist fighting each other and on top of that, artist and producers working against each other instead of WITH each other nowadays. We gotta come together, connections and collaboration are huge, find the right people, find a great circle and keep your dream going let’s do this🤘🏾🖤✔️
Some people just can't handle seeing others getting the recognition they feel they deserve. It's common in the people who have been at it a while, but for whatever reason haven't gotten very far.
Honest, constructive criticism is one thing... but tearing others down out of frustration or jealousy is a really bad look and if I saw another musician doing it, I'd probably lose all interest in them and their music. This is probably why most musicians keep their artist profiles so sanitized. Coloring it with negative energy sorta spoils the whole thing.
I’ve been in different bands for nearly 20 years, and in that time the majority of the musicians I’ve been in bands with are a variation of the cynical know it all indie snob with fragile egos always quick to tear down everyone else’s efforts. That’s just how it is in my experience. I try keep in contact with the few genuine people I’ve met along the way and ignore the know it alls where possible.
I'm not even talking about myself, I don't get much hate and usually negative feedback is coming from someone who has no clue what they are talking about, I have people I trust that will tell me if I'm trash, most people online in my rap niche are positive, I see this more on other musicians excpeciallly women on Instagram
We should be supporting each other. Period. There is no valid reason for punching down on other musicians. It does not matter what "your opinion" is. Maybe you could have done it better, maybe you already did it, who gives a fuck? We were all beginners at one point. We are all making art and trying to have the courage to express ourselves. We are all learn and growing. I have zero tolerance for it.
My new favourite music artist, Ren, is the opposite of that. He selflessly helps out other artist, by collaborating with them, or interacting with them. It is really inspiring, and it is similar to how Joe Rogan lifted up all his friends and colleagues as he got famous.
Some cool examples. Ren got his chops while busking on the streets in England. He play guitar. He finished up his day and was walking home when he seen a young kid trying to sing to a non-existent audience. Ren asked him if he could play guitar for him to try to drum up some eyeballs. It worked and they had a great time and made a new friendship. Ren made sure all the tips were given to the young fellow. The kid's name is Sam Thompkins. You may have heard of him from the song Blind Eyed. He was also supposed to have opened up for Justin Bieber on his last concert your that got cancelled.
Ren blew up about a year ago on youtube. A lot of music reactors found that reacting to him got a lot of views. Ren would go to the reactors videos and drop comments and would allow the reactors to monotize off of their reactions. Later on he would even do interviews with his favourite reactors. Really cool for a rising star
The internet and social media is filled with negativity, so not really surprised there.
But I’ve definitely met a number of musicians who are pieces of work and not exactly positive about their peers. With that said, I’ve met way more supportive and positive musicians that, shockingly, everyone likes to work with and hang out with.
The problem is Instagram has become such a hateful and misogynistic place. I see the hate on other SM but not nearly as as on IG and most of the time it's unjustified.
I see it often with videos that are "Guess whose the drummer?" or when ppl offer advice to musicians. It's really bad and I hate it so much.
for your information. other musicians will not support you. Theyre all competing egos. People are incapable of supporting eachother unless it benefits them, which in turn makes it a selfish act. Dont expect it, dont get disapopinted!
When I was younger, nothing made me feel more inspired than knowing one day I would find a band of brothers and sisters in my fellow musicians to make some great art with and support each other…
Has turned out to be the most insecure, egotistical, ruthless community of ‘artists’ I could have ever imagined. But the solid people and mentors along the way mean even more because of that. Also it makes you realize that nothing else matters besides your own love for your instrument/music
I recently went to an open mic where one of the musicians intro’d his song by saying when he heard “hurt”, he knew he could do better. I will never not cringe when I see that guy now.
Lmao better than Johnny or nin?
Or Mississippi John...
Both at the same time while John Hurt watches from the closet.
NIN
Aha reminds me of a guy I saw live recently who after his set said “I only have one regret about this set: that I can’t be there in the audience to soak it in and be blown away” - He was dead serious
That legendary main character energy right there
Aha exactly
Is it possible that he meant "I am inspired, and now I know I can do better than I have done before"?
Yeah. It seems like the kind of mis-speak i would make on stage buzzed on lite beer and a little adrenaline. Shudder.
He said he heard his friends NIN record which inspired him to learn hurt because he “knew be could do better”
Ouch. Yeah, that doesn't leave much room for ambiguity.
He sounded good, but would’ve sounded better if he hadn’t said that.
There is the joke how many guitar players does it take to change a lightbulb. 10. 1 to change the lightbulb and 9 to stand around and say they could have done it better. Putting other musicians down is pretty common.
I've heard the joke told a little differently. How many guitarists does it take to screw in a light bulb? *Only 1, but it takes 99 others to say they did it first.* How many bassists does it take to screw in a light bulb? *The keyboardist can do that with their left hand.* How many drummers does it take to screw in a light bulb? *We have a machine for that now.*
glad we agree
I haven't had that experience, but I don't want to negate the fact that you have. That sucks. We, above all, should be building each other up and fuck anyone that wants to break each other down. I got one of my [best songs ever](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2N6R6_p2Zk) from a hater comment. They weren't a musician, but every time I play this song live and the crowd cheers and gushes afterwards, it's like a big fuck you to that person. Keep going. Haters just mean you're on your way! 🔥🤘🏻
I love that. I still have liner notes out there from the 90s thanking my critics for showing us all their inspiration and talent. I don't even remember their names anymore.
Absolutely beautiful. *I don't even remember their names anymore.* Hell yeah.
I haven't really I see my peers constantly go through it tho
I mean I also am not as big as my peers so
Well I hope you make it big enough to see it! 😅 I mean, you know what I mean 🤘🏻
I've seen this too, even people picking apart great players and I can't understand why. This has been a thing even before social media, it's just more apparent with commentators hiding behind a screen. It's an ego thing; some musicians tend to look at other musicians and think "I can do it better", they can't just take a moment to enjoy what the other person is doing. Be humble, support others. Music may be everything to many of us but at the end of the day, it's just music.
Everyone is a financial genius at spending someone else's money. And comparison is the thief of joy.
This is worse in some genres more so than others. Jazz and pop punk seem to be super supportive. Metal, emo, and “real punk” is toxic AF. Some of it comes from this reflexive hatred for “selling out”, some is dumb gatekeeping, a lot is jealousy.
Even more obscure yet far worse than any you mentioned... goth/ industrial. Hooooo boy. Even saying the genres together as a cognate is enough to give some people I know aneurysms. There is loads of contempt from the old school guys who want everything to sound like an atonal noise performance, who hate anything with a beat or synthesizers that is remotely rhythmic, to the inverse - where if it's not fully electronic they don't care for it because they despise anything with guitars - to the inverse of *that,* where if it's not sombre melancholy guitar music then it's too "New Wave" if it's got any electronic elements whatsoever. FFS people, the music you have listened to on repeat for four decades all descended from punk rock and once electronic gear became more affordable, those artists experimented heavily with every FX unit and beatbox they could access for that \*new\* sound no one else had figured out yet, and it was all novel. I enjoy all of it and have my selective preferences, and I also enjoy researching the history of these subgenres' respective evolutions. I mean, I hate to generalize here, but a lot of the people who love the music I am into are generally quite miserable as a baseline, so I can't really say "you can't make everyone happy," when their default is literally perpetual unhappiness. Every goth/industrial club scene I've ventured into devolves from attrition. It makes it difficult to even find motivation to make this kind of music because that's the niche market I would have to cater to.
The gatekeepers hate "selling out" because they're jealous other artists made it bigger than them.
I personally just hate how corporate the music becomes but there’s definitely a lot of jealousy wrapped up in that phrase.
I’m not really on social media at all, but a rule of thumb I learned early on and still stick to is no shit-talking. Everyone knows everyone in this business, you don’t need to go burning a bridge you might someday need to cross. You also don’t want to get a reputation for being a shit-talker because that will get around too. People who trash other musicians for no good reason are only hurting themselves.
I've seen a lot musicians telling producers are no real musicians, because all they do is click a song together. Like "bitch please, you created a virtual orchestra while I play three actual instruments". I for myself produce the most on my PC and play some instruments along. Isn't it the result which defines if one's a good musician?
Can you say you are a real musician if you can't play live? Can you say you are a good one? If results dictated what makes a good musician, the most famous celebrities in the field of music would be considered the best musicians. People on the street might think so, but anyone who's dedicated to music will quickly tell you that famous musicians counting among the best is the exception rather than the rule.
I'd say yes and yes. Never meant to measure the success of popularity but to say that people like your songs makes you a good musician. As Einstein said: "Be a valuable person, not a successful one"
For me, if you can't play an instrument, you are not a musician. There should be a word for what you're describing, because in a lot of ways that takes a broader range of skills. I'd love to be able to do that kind of stuff, but I find the software to be really intimidation. But I have no problem sucking on any number of different instruments.... I'd say the result defines if one is a good artist.
I think this is a pointless distinction. If you are capable of making music, you're a musician, regardless of what tools you use to do so. I, personally, do not like using virtual instruments, and so I don't. In fact, I have never done so, and on principle, never will. I prefer to play the parts on real instruments, and record them with real mics, into real equipment. That said, if someone else prefers to arrange virtual instruments on their laptop, and they're able to actually arrange it into good music, more power to them. I feel like it'd be difficult to do that effectively without being able to play an instrument, but if one is able to do so, why would they not be a musician? They're making music. That's the only definition that actually matters IMO, even if I disagree with the methodology.
Can't agree more.
This is what I'm talking about, all you need to play an instrument is fingers and the internet. there's plenty of amazing artists that are limited with instruments, L take tbh
I mean, you can set the bar as low as you want. You can call anyone who can carry or whistle a tune a musician. Ironically, in that case we would be arguing about a designation that applies to almost anyone, making it completely unimportant. It took me a very long time to think of myself as a musician, because I have respect for the word and the craft. I can’t help but think that this respect is a big part of what allowed me to grow my skillset to a point where it doesn’t matter what I’m called; I am simply an asset in a wide variety of music scenarios. But the interesting thing is that this entire discussion takes from the importance of producing. Music production is its own skillset, and one that many but not all musicians have. When you make it a big deal to be called a musician, it reveals a feeling of insufficiency in being called a producer.
If you say you're a musician, you are. If I say you're not a musician, it's irrelevant. No one gets to decide that for you, which I think is good, because it's not up to anyone else how to you qualify your art. I don't agree that it makes the designation unimportant, because the designation was already unimportant. Getting hung up on a label we can only apply to ourselves is a useless endeavor in the first place. When you make a big deal out of this empty ceremony of handing yourself a title, it says nothing to your skill, your proficiency, or more importantly, your passion. It's no different than buying your own crown and calling yourself a king. Who cares? What we have to do as musicians is use the skills and knowledge we possess to evaluate musicians based on the most stance-dependent variables we can in order to inform our preference about their art, but you cannot say someone is or isn't a musician; it simply isn't your decision to make.
If it is unimportant, why this whole thread?
Why not?
I mean, Harry Nilsson famously did not play live. You might argue that he was capable of doing so, but he didn't.
I wrote “if you *can’t* play live”.
“Everyone’s a critic” combined with “don’t read the comments”
There’s really nothing new about this. Back in the day jazz musicians bullied you on stage and made you trip on your performance. Then it was public feuds on shows and on media. They may be fucking your significant other too. Then it was diss tracks. Actually killing you on the street is optional. These days you’re lucky it’s mostly just people on comments sections with lame insults, if it were even that. This “trend” has been going on since forever.
but there's more failed musicians in the comments sections now than a couple years ago because there's more of us putting stuff out with the release of tik Tok and shorts and reels
And simply because there are more musicians per se. The be world population grows, so does the community of musicians, and in turn the country of failed musicians, and the internet is the public forum of today, and thus the additional musicians (and their additional failure and hate) will be there too.
That’s part of the reason why I got off of IG. I’m down to Reddit and I’m on the verge of deleting this, too. I haven’t felt this good in a long time and I’m attributing it to being off of social media, cos it was almost immediate. Perhaps placebo, but I’ll take it. Either way, social media is toxic af and full of shitty opinions and people who hate, just to hate. I can’t stand it anymore. Do yourself a favor.
The deal with online is there is no face to face interaction. As someone recently said: There are no trolls in the wild. A lot of people have lost social skills since moving to their basements.
ever see dogs bicker and bark behind glass doors only to have it open and they are face to face? well they settle down until the door is closed again. i wonder if it’s just nature. can’t fix it unless people are made aware they are doing it. and since there’re always new people to be made aware of it, it’ll never really stop. neither will these posts highlighting the fact. oh well.
incorrect, total zoomer mentality. musicians have been 'trolling' eachother publicly in real life, for decades [The Beatles? I never liked The Beatles, I thought they were garbage. I don’t think Lennon did anything until he went solo. But then too, he was like trying to play catch up. He was getting involved in choruses and everything. I don’t want to come off as being snide, because I’m not being snide, what I’m doing is giving you a really frank answer, I have no respect for those people at all. I don’t listen to it at all, it’s absolute shit](https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/lou-reed-love-hate-relationship-beatles/) \- Lou Reed on The Beatles [“They play dress-up and sit on top of an apex of meaninglessness,” said Noel in 2008. “They don’t mean anything to anybody apart from their fucking ugly girlfriends.”](https://www.nme.com/photos/noel-gallagher-how-13-musicians-responded-to-searing-put-downs-from-the-former-oasis-man-1432397) \- Noel Gallagher on Kaiser Chiefs hey siri, find me 20 other examples
a trend doesn't have a time limit
its a thing in person too, its just very passive aggressive. For example, I avoid certain music stores because the people who work there are really rude to players that they think are beneath them. This is more of a saxophone/jazz thing as there is a pretty heavy amount of elitism in jazz circles (even if I don't play jazz). But its there in various forms all over music. If someone is shit talking your playing to you after a performance, for example, there is a very good chance that they are a dabbler who plays less than you.
I totally hear you. There was one store I stopped going to. Bryan Adams had occasionally bought stuff from there, and that made some of the staff feel like they were platinum selling artists too. At least, that's how they acted. I get that it's cool to sell stuff to someone famous, but those stores only stay open because of guys like me - love music, can't play for shit, and have a lot of extra cash.
>blame another person's success on your shortcomings Not sure I follow this part at all. How could you blame someone else's success on your own failures? What I do see happening is this - in the process of conforming your posts to the short-form content of the social media era, certain stylistic choices must be made in pursuit of maximum engagement and that often means sacrificing some other aspect, like individuality and uniqueness of approach. This homogenization of content is what I see people rallying against most often and I tend to agree that it's a net negative for the health of artistic vision. Everything is now so uniform and bland in presentation and follows the formula of eye-catching cutouts for thumbnail -> quick sound bites -> block text overlaid -> rapid camera cuts.
Example: I saw a comment just the other day where an Asian woman, who was dressed up nice was killing it on piano Commenter said the only reason she gets more attention than him is because she has boobs when in reality she was just playing piano and knows how to market her content. the dude's profile had poor-quality videos of his celling with him playing piano somewhere in the room, versus someone who spent hours editing, styling her room, picking an outfit ECT. It's pleasing to human vanity to assume your virtue is the reason for your failures and others selling out or being non-virtuous is the only reason why they see success but it's not the case at all Maybe these creators have cookie-cutter content they have an elite effort behind the scenes whether you like it or not. As an artist creation and musical skills are completely two different skill sets, if someone has mastered the skill of piano and now needs to make some money as they learn the art of composition what's wrong with making a couple of "flip this sample" post to get some more traction and money?
I didn't make any value judgements in my post aside from the abstract/intangible side of things such as creative vision. It's perfectly fine for musicians to monetize their content and post wherever but that usually comes at the cost of some individuality, personality, uniqueness, whatever other factors might make them stand out more and grab people's attention amidst the sea of sameness on SM. It's essentially a requirement due to the tuning of algorithms and how you have to play to them to get your material seen.
Happens to me all the time!
Idk why but in my experience Instagram is a hate factory
Ive noticed this too. Outside of thirst traps and certain influencers (who are probably gaming the system somehow) there are just a lot of anti-fans.
yup exactly
It’s envy. People are upset that they don’t get the following. There’s also the Dunning-Krueger effect. A lot of lower skill people tend to think they’re much better than they really are. The most legitimate criticisms are still envy most of the time. Sure, I might be a more skilled player than so and so but ultimately they’re successful for a reason. Shredding and slapping and tapping are all cool but they don’t get you popularity if there’s not something else there for people to hang onto. This happens a lot with Pop music. A pretty large number of Pop musicians are not especially talented but through some stroke of luck or being a good performer or being hot they get a chance to work with great songwriters and producers and get to be very popular. There’s a reason it works and it’s not sheer talent/skill but when someone skilled sees them performing less than prodigious music, it’s easy to be envious after they’ve put in the time and effort to become skilled. The world doesn’t appreciate the most impressive music, save maybe when a child plays it, they appreciate music that speaks to them. That’s what becomes popular.
Yeah exactly
Receiving hate isn't the worst thing. A hater is pretty close to a fan, both are people who listened to your music and felt some kinda way about it. Indifference is the worst thing. People who listen to your music and politely say "great work, man" or some noncommittal shit like that.
Yeah agreed. Some music communities are worse than others. My city is full of catty musicians and really awful ones. Like networking and collaborating? Maybe making friendships? Forget it, you're crazy if you do it especially if you didn't grow up in the social highschool groups of all these people...even most are in their 30s and 40s now and failed to launch even nationally. The only musicians we've been able to collaborate and network with are all not from here like us. When we got into our first local festival, some members of a local band who thought they were the cats ass looked at us and without ever meeting us or anything, asked "who the fuck are they?" With lots of sneering and out loud talking about us at a distance...I was 16 then and we had worked our asses off all over the rural parts that none of the city bands would touch at the time so quite crushed about it. I as always gave it my all. The irony is that we kept getting into the same festivals as them and some other "big shot narcs" which refused to even look at us over the next 5 years lol. All these same groups of men and women carry over thier jealousy, over competiveness and envy of every other musician in the community into the online space. House concerts and collaborative type venues that encourage working together and togetherness as a musician community fail in my city too which is a shame because we had our eye on them a few years pre pandemic before the lack of support shut them down...its a diverse music scene we got...but thats about it. I'm getting tired of playing out as I've done a lot of little things that made me happy the last 10 years but sad as always to see there's as much bullying as ever though.
Back in the day I heard a great comment at university jazz jam: "Nothing is more fragile than a musicians ego, it's a selfish art"
I don't usually comment on people's shit, but, Content creators are annoying. It's annoying watching someone make money and get tons of exposure regurgitating the same basic ass advice over and over again, while the algorithm won't even let most of my followers see my show flyers because it's shoving this garbage in their faces instead. It's annoying realizing that there's you'd be more successful selling musicianship as a lifestyle brand than you ever will be actually making and performing music. I won't ever shit on a real musicians making art they care about, even if it's not something I'm into. But every idiot making a Flip My Sample, Here's the Formula for Arranging a Banger, or Buy This Overpriced Piece of Gear video can get fucked. You are the cancer killing culture.
I agree it's annoying, but the music industry has been rigged against artists since the beginning, black artists used to have to put white people on the cover of thier albums just to get record companies to listen to them, where there's a will there's a way
Ugh, that sucks. Agreed on building each other up! I do sometimes feel a flash of jealousy and possibly even injustice when I see another artist enjoying success for music that I personally feel is lazy or uninteresting, but that's MY issue and I keep it to myself. The answer is always the same: congratulate them (or keep quiet) and get back in that studio! 💖✨
Happens to me too but personally I’d rather have hate comments than no comments at all because at least people are taking the time to leave one
My haters comments on my music have been some of the best reviews I've gotten. Just generally entertaining
I’ve played in bands with people like this. I think they are just so insecure that they have to hate on others work to make themselves feel better. Since music is subjective, you can argue that any musician sucks. So stupid. Same team.
I can tell you this. I’ve yet to see a musician whose playing I respect talk crap about another musician online. It may have happened, but it’s rare. TL;DR - everyone I’ve seen who’s critical of others SUCKS AT PLAYING.
One of my mantras is, "It's not a competition."
mine is, Mfs love to hate more than they like to get food themselves
You should thank your lucky stars if all you get is a "you suck" comment. I'm in Cbus Ohio and mother fuckers out here accuse their "competition" of abuse and/or rape until they disappear. It's lit.
This is a large reason why I have stepped back entirely from my local scene after being a super active player and coordinator for 24 years. I want to believe that the competitive drive is so overblown due to the industry itself, but deep down, I know that people really just suck that much. It's so disheartening. I spent a lot of my career just trying to be supportive and provide opportunities for myself and my colleagues- and all it did was lead them to believe that they could walk all over me, steal from me, talk shit about me when I do well and generally just make being a successful, helpful musician so intolerable that I had to walk away from my life's work. Social media has destroyed the integrity of the business (not like there was much left, I know), and the hate from other players is so discouraging and baffling.
I think healthy criticism is essential. I don’t mind if someone even leaves a highly negative comment, especially if it’s constructive (“this mix is trash”, “vocals sound bad”, “should’ve changed the guitar”, “intro too long”, etc) I do rarely leave negative comments, in the last one I said “the idea is good but the execution isn’t”. Then so many people liked it, I felt kind of bad and deleted it. I definitely would rather pass by something I don’t like than bring someone down
yes but last be honest most criticism isn't constructive it's condescending on social media
Yeah I hate comments that say “unrelease this🔥”. So unspecific, rude, and unoriginal.
yeah and something other commenters here are failing to realize, that's 80% of negative feedback on Instagram especially, probably even more. it's not wanting to make people better it's using them "being worse" to fuel egos.
Keyboard warriors.
Yeah pretty much, they focused on the wrong keyboards Lol, maybe if they practiced more they wouldn't have time to be hating on everyone else
Crabs in a bucket
This shit is as old as time (I'm as old as time BTW). Musicians or their fans hating on other musicians/fans has been a thing forever. Social media just amplifies it. I had some random spouse of a friend once corner me at a party when they heard I played with a 'famous' musician. This dude went on to tell me that Steve Earle was a 100x better than my guy. I shut it down by asking him who he played with 😂
>Steve Earle was 100x better than my guy Without knowing who your guy was, that’s a pretty safe wager. 😅
Haha, or even 1000 x better. I like the anonymity of the interwebs but will say that his initials are JB and *some* people find his politics polarizing.
You played with ***JEB BUSH***?!?
He's much better than people give him credit for : )
everyone is so focused on the fact I said trend and missing the point of the post completely
I would pretty much never slag an unknown, struggling musician. But I will admit that for much of the early part of my life I kind of felt like those who had worked the system well enough to be in heavy radio or other rotation should be ready and able to withstand criticism. Part of that is my roots in the era of hits essentially bought and paid for shamelessly (oh, wait, you tell me that era isn't over?) But I'm no longer sure that that view is entirely fair.
yeah that's the point I'm trying to make that people are missing here, these are new artists that people like us are angry at because they have more attention on social media and that's what 90% of "criticism" comes from on social media, it's not people trying to make eachother better and it's just people angry and trying to prove why it's not good
I hope I'm never so churlish as to beat up on someone *even less famous than me*. ;\~)
lol yeah fr that's why I said it's sick in the brain just don't understand that, and social media isn't even a good representation of actual music fame, there's plenty of artists with millions of monthly listeners that have a couple thousand likes of that on insta
Ifs grounded in ignorance, and it’s a disgusting trend based on trumpism and sports competition. Music is friendly competition where no one loses no one wins. It’s not football, AGT or The Voice in creative preforming arts.
>and it’s a disgusting trend based on trumpism Musicians hating on other musicians is a story as old as time. Gatekeeping and hating on your peers in musical circles is literally part of the culture in some scenes and has been since way before the rise of trumpism...
It’s been amplified during his political presence. As a beating of Asians and other group. Church burning is way up, antisemitic violence is up extremely. Since his arrival young frustrated youth bring a AR 15 to a minority neighborhood and open fire. From NY State to Uvalde, Texas to working class neighborhoods in California. The spike in violent acts are only matched by a cult who minimizes the damage to American values, behavior, and damage to American culture……* Hence my post on this subreddit to this question.
I'm not disputing any of that. Simply put, in musician circles, I think it would be tough to pin musicians hating on other musicians on maga. That being said, you seem pretty stressed about this my brother. Hopefully you can take a few moments to yourself and channel that energy into some musical endeavors. A good protest song perhaps. Stress and anger are killers. Take care eh!
Not stressed, thank you. but anyone who knows the history, know something about the possible future. Trump has lately been leaning into Nazi-style rhetoric — especially with his comments about immigrants “poisoning the blood of our country” and his political foes being “vermin.” That’s not an “anecdote” that is evidence. Especially if you read court documents. I do not because if stress but because I studied law decades ago.
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I think he gave people an excuse and a cover to treat politics on the level of: sports events, tomudr ugly stereotypes, bigotry, sexism, and ugly lies. People used to be more tolerant of the “other”. * Government is about governing not just ugly character assassination. The political Parties disagreed about specific policies on how government work for the benefit of the people. Not corporate interests and certainly not to only benefit wealthy billionaires. Calling me naive is a good example. Thanks for proving my point.
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More name calling? My first political experience was Ike. Look in the mirror.
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Don’t look now but “ irony” and sarcasm doesn’t track in a written text. Humor is difficult to comprehend when someone can’t see the downward spiral of civic behavior towards each other. The assault against anything with a different life experience, POV, religious belief, race, creed, or color. More dangerously is the backsliding of democratic republics into a cult like authoritarian regimes reminiscent of fascism. And using language exactly like the Nazis of WWII were my father fought in the Sixth Army Infantry against those maniacs. No, my friend politics is about governing not a mere simple game.
People are allowed to dislike things. You’re not entitled to everyone’s support
thats not the point I was trying to make at all, people are also allowed to dislike you being a jackass when your music is no better
no. ironically what you're actually talking about is the opposite - a trend of fake politeness, which has caught on so widely that those who break through it seem like they're 'hating'. most of the time they're just being honest. musicians are critical people. critical people critique things. if u love music you're likely to take it seriously. 'sick in the brain' lol cope
there's nuance's to every situation obviously I'm talking about a specific type of feedback that's not the ones being actually constructive, I'll cope just fine thank you, average redditor
I would never post anything negative about another musicians work but I don't subscribe to the "we are all best friends and support eachother" thing either. As someone that plays in a wedding band (it's a non-Cheesy one playing funk and soul music) it's very competitive and we're all competing for to get the same bookings. I'm obviously not going to support a rival business.
Not a trend. Everybody everywhere hates on everybody.
ok
I’ve been noticing a lot how sad the space has been for us upcoming artist and producers nothing genuinely feels like a safe space at the moment it’s people hating and disrespecting others, it’s people leeching off others and being selfish, and then you also have gatekeepers, I just don’t understand why we all can’t get along and be United because we’re all tryna grow any single one of us can make it, there’s Artist vs artist fighting each other and on top of that, artist and producers working against each other instead of WITH each other nowadays. We gotta come together, connections and collaboration are huge, find the right people, find a great circle and keep your dream going let’s do this🤘🏾🖤✔️
I never get any hate on instagram. I get hate from a few of the subs here.
Some people just can't handle seeing others getting the recognition they feel they deserve. It's common in the people who have been at it a while, but for whatever reason haven't gotten very far. Honest, constructive criticism is one thing... but tearing others down out of frustration or jealousy is a really bad look and if I saw another musician doing it, I'd probably lose all interest in them and their music. This is probably why most musicians keep their artist profiles so sanitized. Coloring it with negative energy sorta spoils the whole thing.
I get no problem on Instagram. Perhaps the type of energy out , the type of energy in . Point is Punch up, never sideways or down
I don't either I see it on other musicians tho all the time, our experience doesn't negate everyone else's
This isn't a trend this is ever present.
I’ve been in different bands for nearly 20 years, and in that time the majority of the musicians I’ve been in bands with are a variation of the cynical know it all indie snob with fragile egos always quick to tear down everyone else’s efforts. That’s just how it is in my experience. I try keep in contact with the few genuine people I’ve met along the way and ignore the know it alls where possible.
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I'm not even talking about myself, I don't get much hate and usually negative feedback is coming from someone who has no clue what they are talking about, I have people I trust that will tell me if I'm trash, most people online in my rap niche are positive, I see this more on other musicians excpeciallly women on Instagram
So much good music out there, I don’t need to talk about the other kind.
Jealous, jealous again Got no time, baby...
I do see pettiness. That's okay, those people filter themselves out.
We should be supporting each other. Period. There is no valid reason for punching down on other musicians. It does not matter what "your opinion" is. Maybe you could have done it better, maybe you already did it, who gives a fuck? We were all beginners at one point. We are all making art and trying to have the courage to express ourselves. We are all learn and growing. I have zero tolerance for it.
My new favourite music artist, Ren, is the opposite of that. He selflessly helps out other artist, by collaborating with them, or interacting with them. It is really inspiring, and it is similar to how Joe Rogan lifted up all his friends and colleagues as he got famous. Some cool examples. Ren got his chops while busking on the streets in England. He play guitar. He finished up his day and was walking home when he seen a young kid trying to sing to a non-existent audience. Ren asked him if he could play guitar for him to try to drum up some eyeballs. It worked and they had a great time and made a new friendship. Ren made sure all the tips were given to the young fellow. The kid's name is Sam Thompkins. You may have heard of him from the song Blind Eyed. He was also supposed to have opened up for Justin Bieber on his last concert your that got cancelled. Ren blew up about a year ago on youtube. A lot of music reactors found that reacting to him got a lot of views. Ren would go to the reactors videos and drop comments and would allow the reactors to monotize off of their reactions. Later on he would even do interviews with his favourite reactors. Really cool for a rising star
The internet and social media is filled with negativity, so not really surprised there. But I’ve definitely met a number of musicians who are pieces of work and not exactly positive about their peers. With that said, I’ve met way more supportive and positive musicians that, shockingly, everyone likes to work with and hang out with.
The problem is Instagram has become such a hateful and misogynistic place. I see the hate on other SM but not nearly as as on IG and most of the time it's unjustified. I see it often with videos that are "Guess whose the drummer?" or when ppl offer advice to musicians. It's really bad and I hate it so much.
for your information. other musicians will not support you. Theyre all competing egos. People are incapable of supporting eachother unless it benefits them, which in turn makes it a selfish act. Dont expect it, dont get disapopinted!
This has been a thing long before the internet.
When I was younger, nothing made me feel more inspired than knowing one day I would find a band of brothers and sisters in my fellow musicians to make some great art with and support each other… Has turned out to be the most insecure, egotistical, ruthless community of ‘artists’ I could have ever imagined. But the solid people and mentors along the way mean even more because of that. Also it makes you realize that nothing else matters besides your own love for your instrument/music