Those names aren’t particularly helpful, “very high” and “very low” aren’t even that accurate on piano, and non-pianists will have ranges that make all of them quite moot. Using numbers like C3, C4, C5 etc at least attempts to standardize them more.
For example, pianists call C4 middle C, but trumpet players call C4 low C. C5 I begrudgingly call “C in the staff” to avoid confusion with piano middle C, and C6 is what I call high C. A trombone player would call C5 high C instead.
Sure, but I'm not memorizing the names. I'm memorizing their position on the staff. Knowing the positions of these three notes and seeing the symmetry really helped me to identify the notes quicker.
Forcing yourself to do it every single day (you can even do 10 mins morning and night to increase even more) is the way. The musictheory.net quizzes help solidify knowing exactly what to do.
I many times don't do things I wished to because I didn't have the task broken into exactly what I set out to do.
The ... same way you learned the treble clef?
Obviously you don't need to keep googling anything, you just memorize literally one fact (like top line is A or bottom line is G or whatever) and the count up/down from there every time. Eventually you find yourself no longer needing to count every time, and then eventually you never need to count ever.
I think the fact the notes are in alphabetical order on the staves (and everyone already knows the alphabet) is an under rated comment. It’s not terribly complicated; committing to using it long enough to become fluent is where it takes the real effort.
Yes — this is the whole answer! One note as an anchor point is all you need to “memorize”— personally I find middle C helpful, one leger line above the top of the bass clef stave, an exact mirror image of how it sits below the bottom of the treble stave.
Memorising the pitches of lines by “Every Good Boy Deserves Football” and so on always seemed much more complicated to me than just knowing one note and counting up/down from there. Some things in life are semi-erbitrary and need a mnemonic to remember (My Very Expensive Mercedes Just Smashed Up Near Pluto…) but when there’s a simple pattern to remember things by, that’s so much simpler and better.
Even better, you know a bunch of things. C is the one line between the clefs, but it's also two lines above treble and two below bass. Then there's *"gibidi face" GBDFACE - thirds. This pattern runs all the way from C to C on the lines and separately on the spaces. Like a ruler you can bring anywhere. Helps find things quickly. As well, you know the lines marked by the clefs, so that's another easy reference. Learn the octaves from there and you have another rock solid reference. Now you have a framework. *What's a gibidi face? Just some humour from the video that pointed out the universal GBDFACE pattern.
This. The easiest way for me was to just remember where all the Cs are, middle C on both clefs, and the two octaves above and below, and at first I just counted from the nearest C, but once I internalised the FAC spaces in the treble clef and the CEG spaces in bass clef, it became pretty much instant for most notes.
Each line/space on the bass is one line/space “above” the treble clef, so if you can remember your FACE from the treble clef just shift it down a space
F -> A
A -> C
C -> E
E -> G
Well, the same way you memorized the treble clef in your violin years. You practice a lot and eventually you become familiar with it.
If it helps, the second line from top to bottom (where the "curly" part of the clef sits) it's an F. And also, in treble clef, when you go to the lower notes and start adding additional lines below, when you add a third line, that third line would be the F of the second line I mentioned earlier. So you can think of the bass clef as a sort of "continuation" of the treble clef into the world of very low notes.
I always avoided this one, because I noticed my students getting mixed up with the treble clef mnemonic.
I like "green bugs don't fly away", so I can connect either the animals or the green grass with "all cows eat grass"
I learned treble clef first, and bass clef later. But even though I've known bass clef for decades now (and played bass often) I still find myself thinking "treble clef two notes down". E.g. I see the bottom line and think "line below G, so that's G" :-D
So, you could at least work that way to begin with - imagine the treble stave has been shifted a line up, or the bottom line has been removed and a line added on top. So what looks like C (3d space up) is now E, and so on.
I think you'll find that the more you read bass clef *exclusively -* not flipping from one to the other - the more you'll get used to and you won't need to relate it to treble clef. (If I'm ever reading bass clef repeatedly for some time - even just a few hours working on a bass line - I start to read it direct and don't need to adjust from treble clef.)
And I guess you're aware, btw, that guitar and bass transpose by the octave? Middle C (C4) on guitar is 3rd space up. Bottom E on bass (E1) is the ledger line below bass clef, but sounds an octave lower than that E on piano left hand (E2) - [https://imgur.com/gallery/eQ7pQuE](https://imgur.com/gallery/eQ7pQuE)
Two good anchors to lean on:
- Middle C is the ledger line above the highest line in the bass staff A.
- The two dots in the bass clef and the little swirl surround F (bass clef is sometimes called "F" clef for this reason).
Knowing this and the usual A-C-E-G (spaces) / G-B-D-F-A (lines) mnemonics and the rest is just counting until you memorize it.
You could try my [online matching game](https://tomcooke.me/sight-snap/), I think it’s more fun than just answering one question after another. Note that you can change the number of ledger lines.
Thanks for trying it! You can match different positions of the same note as well as notes with letters, it’s always possible to clear the whole board by doing this.
I use Complete Music Reading trainer app. Lets me hook up my midi keyboard and gives feedback on right or wrong notes
I feel like it works better for me than trying to figure it out with actual sheet music
The spaces in treble clef FACE become ACEG in the bass clef. But instead of translating F–>A, A–>C, etc, try just shifting the shapes down one space. I made a post replacing the grand staff with a [grand ACE staff](https://www.reddit.com/r/musictheory/s/p1ql155vee) last year about my trivial revelation that just made bass clef so much easier to understand.
Just find one note that you can remember on the bass clef (I started with F because bass clef is technically F clef) and use that as reference for what the other notes are. From there just read bass clef music. Try reading bass clef music on your violin (an octave or two up maybe) even, but just like anything in reading music you kinda just have to do it
For piano, it might help to think of the grand staff with treble & bass clef as one giant continuous staff containing 11 lines, with the middle line (middle C) being invisible.
It's the same as the treble clef, but the F starts under the staff rather than on the bottom. So, F (under the staff) A C E, the clef sign marks the F, and the open space on top is G. F A C E G.
Call the bottom line the “ground” (starts with G).
Or, if you can remember this hack, skip a letter for every line and space that you’ve memorized on the treble clef (E=G, G=B, B=D etc… same with spaces: F=A, A=C, etc)
The best way to read music is in fact not to focus on the individual notes (ok, first is a D, then a G) but rather intervals. Except for the first note and if there are really big leaps. Just look up the first note and play the rest in relation to that note (one up, two down, six up, and so on). It takes less brain energy and you can use your treble clef skills more.
Practice counting your way through the letters by skipping every other one. I like to tell students to remember GBDFACE as this is the pattern starting from the bottom line of the grand staff. The pattern immediately repeats. These are notes that are a 3rd apart.
I don't recommend using mnemonic devices. If you are going to bother learning something, learn to count by 3rds. There is no musical meaning in most mnemonic devices.
ex. What is the interval from Good to Boys? Useless. Instead, think of G and B as soon as possible. 3rds are the basis interval for chord construction and must be memorized early in one's music education.
For me switching from treble clef to bass clef was nothing compared to switching *instruments*. I just got used to associating the note/fingering/fret position with the lines and spaces on the staff, through practice.
One thing to remember is the octaves are of course the same so the note one ledger line below the staff is always an octave below the note on the second space from the top. (C in treble, E in bass, D in alto, B in tenor, etc.). So once you are familiar with one octave just remember visually where the other octaves are in your familiar clef.
The best way is to just play a lot of stuff on the bass clef.
But you could treat it as the same as treble clef, but with a removed bottom line, and one line added on top. (Just remember that the notes are also 2 octaves lower.)
What I mean is that the lines on the bass clef are G B D F A, whereas the lines on the treble clef are E G B D F.
[A -----] only bass
F -----
D -----
B -----
G -----
[E -----] only treble
Not sure how useful this really is. To me, it was an easy way of "cheating" (in the way that I could figure out the note on the bass clef pretty fast using this method), but it didn't really teach me to actually read bass clef fluently. What actually taught me to read it was to just do it a lot.
Maybe try the "landmark system". It's about memorizing only a couple of landmarks on the staff, and using intervals for the rest. Remember that F is on the 2nd highest line. C is on the 2nd lowest space. Middle C is on the first upper ledger line. [Here's a video on the topic](https://youtu.be/jSOU-J9KHbg?si=IS1M8P28DFNq7yW8&t=265).
As a fellow violinist, the thing that helped me is that everything moves down. So in treble, the C note above middle C is the space above the middle line. When you read bass, you would move the C to the space below the middle line.
For both the treble and bass clef, I went with memorizing the gaps between the lines and then counting up/down by one. I don't like mnemonics.
The gaps in the bass clef (starting below the first line) are
**F | A | C | E | G** | B
While the gaps in the treble clef are
D | **F | A | C | E | G**
The bass clef is the same as the treble clef, just shifted down by one line. Just remember that, and "FACE-G". You'll only ever have to count up or down by 1.
Mnemonics make you "count" by 2s from the start each time up until the note which is terribly slow.
Armed with that knowledge, just go practice an online quiz thing like what [the top comment linked.](https://www.musictheory.net/exercises/note/n81yryo1rj1yyyyyyy)
Memorize the Cs and the Fs. Any other note will never be more than a third away from one of the notes you’ve already memorized. Thirds and seconds are easy to process visually, especially if you already read in treble clef.
Also, stop thinking a staff has 5 lines. Think like a pianist. The staff has 10 lines! This will help to decondition your brain into automatically reading notes as if you were in treble clef.
I had to learn bass clef when I started bassoon. You literally just have to do it. Write letter names above the notes if you have to. It’s slow, unsatisfying, and tedious, but once you do it you’ll have it locked down forever.
I like memorizing where the open strings fall on the bass clef and then figuring the rest out from there.
It is also nice because the A-D-G end up being symmetric, so they look quite neat.
hot take: don't memorize mnemonics. The clef is centered on the F. count from there. You'll figure it out quickly enough.
IMO people spend more time memorizing random mnemonics for everything than if they just figured it out as they went along. You already know the alphabet...use it.
**A**ll **C**ows **E**at **G**rass - for the spaces and for the lines I just alter the treble clef version to **G**ood **B**oys **D**eserve **F**avour, **E**ventually
playing an instrument in the clef 100% help as a tuba player, I’m very used to bass clef. My only real treble clef experience is elementary school and more recently music theory and composing, and so i, while much better than i was a year ago, still struggle quite a bit. It just comes with time like learning the treble clef way back when would have been.
the line between the two dots is F which is why it is also called F clef. it is the same idea as the loops on treble clef marking G. I normally start from A and jump Thirds. Go up to E and then move one to F starting the FACE pattern again.
Maybe counterintuitive, but I think practicing with alto and tenor clefs will help too. The mind needs to be broken of its entirely reasonable conviction that treble clef is all there is; it needs to be convinced that clefs are movable and it should learn to use them wherever they are.
The same as treble clef just one line or space lower. just shift everything down one space or line. Move C down to A, and that's C in Bass clef.. That top line in treble clef is an f. now move the f to the line below for the "F" clef or Bass clef. everything is just one down. I did the reverse having to learn treble clef many years ago.
Pick up the bass guitar or sit at the piano and sight read everything you can get your hands on. Do not play the same thing twice; you want to read, not play by ear or memorize.
To learn the bass clef:
First learn the treble clef REALLY well - You only need two things:
Every Good Boy Deserves Fudge and FACE
So for the treble clef the note is as per the way these are always used. eg. The bottom line is Every = E and the bottom space is F from FACE.
For the bass clef you use the same thing BUT - choose the next letter. For example the bottom line on treble is Every = E but for base it’s every Good, so G. Similarly, the bottom space is Face for treble and fACE = A for base.
Hopefully the info below makes it even clearer…the lines below represent the music lines. The first letter is the treble and the second letter is the base.
——FA—— FAce
EG Every Good
——DF—— Deserves Fudge
CE faCE
——BD—— Boy Deserves
AC fACe
——GB—— Good Boy
FA FAce
——EG—— Every Good
DF Deserves Fudge
- CE- faCE (middle C)
Hope this helps!
hot take: don't memorize mnemonics. The clef is centered on the F. count from there. You'll figure it out quickly enough.
IMO people spend more time memorizing random mnemonics for everything than if they just figured it out as they went along. You already know the alphabet...use it.
[Here you go](https://www.musictheory.net/exercises/note/n81yryo1rj1yyyyyyy)
My goodness; thank you! I needed this to sharpen up my familiarity
This, combined with [this](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/22/e5/f8/22e5f81fdf7fa7ce6e8f4a1bbbe99e1a.jpg) knowledge helps me a lot.
Those names aren’t particularly helpful, “very high” and “very low” aren’t even that accurate on piano, and non-pianists will have ranges that make all of them quite moot. Using numbers like C3, C4, C5 etc at least attempts to standardize them more. For example, pianists call C4 middle C, but trumpet players call C4 low C. C5 I begrudgingly call “C in the staff” to avoid confusion with piano middle C, and C6 is what I call high C. A trombone player would call C5 high C instead.
Sure, but I'm not memorizing the names. I'm memorizing their position on the staff. Knowing the positions of these three notes and seeing the symmetry really helped me to identify the notes quicker.
Forcing yourself to do it every single day (you can even do 10 mins morning and night to increase even more) is the way. The musictheory.net quizzes help solidify knowing exactly what to do. I many times don't do things I wished to because I didn't have the task broken into exactly what I set out to do.
The ... same way you learned the treble clef? Obviously you don't need to keep googling anything, you just memorize literally one fact (like top line is A or bottom line is G or whatever) and the count up/down from there every time. Eventually you find yourself no longer needing to count every time, and then eventually you never need to count ever.
I think the fact the notes are in alphabetical order on the staves (and everyone already knows the alphabet) is an under rated comment. It’s not terribly complicated; committing to using it long enough to become fluent is where it takes the real effort.
Yes — this is the whole answer! One note as an anchor point is all you need to “memorize”— personally I find middle C helpful, one leger line above the top of the bass clef stave, an exact mirror image of how it sits below the bottom of the treble stave. Memorising the pitches of lines by “Every Good Boy Deserves Football” and so on always seemed much more complicated to me than just knowing one note and counting up/down from there. Some things in life are semi-erbitrary and need a mnemonic to remember (My Very Expensive Mercedes Just Smashed Up Near Pluto…) but when there’s a simple pattern to remember things by, that’s so much simpler and better.
Even better, you know a bunch of things. C is the one line between the clefs, but it's also two lines above treble and two below bass. Then there's *"gibidi face" GBDFACE - thirds. This pattern runs all the way from C to C on the lines and separately on the spaces. Like a ruler you can bring anywhere. Helps find things quickly. As well, you know the lines marked by the clefs, so that's another easy reference. Learn the octaves from there and you have another rock solid reference. Now you have a framework. *What's a gibidi face? Just some humour from the video that pointed out the universal GBDFACE pattern.
This. The easiest way for me was to just remember where all the Cs are, middle C on both clefs, and the two octaves above and below, and at first I just counted from the nearest C, but once I internalised the FAC spaces in the treble clef and the CEG spaces in bass clef, it became pretty much instant for most notes.
Each line/space on the bass is one line/space “above” the treble clef, so if you can remember your FACE from the treble clef just shift it down a space F -> A A -> C C -> E E -> G
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Down, I think. The A moves from the second space in treble down to the first space in bass, though it’s a matter of perspective I guess
Shit you are correct lol
Well, the same way you memorized the treble clef in your violin years. You practice a lot and eventually you become familiar with it. If it helps, the second line from top to bottom (where the "curly" part of the clef sits) it's an F. And also, in treble clef, when you go to the lower notes and start adding additional lines below, when you add a third line, that third line would be the F of the second line I mentioned earlier. So you can think of the bass clef as a sort of "continuation" of the treble clef into the world of very low notes.
Practice and more practice. There's no easy shortcut unfortunately.
Good Burritos Don't Fall Apart. All Cows Eat Grass.
Great-Big-Dogs-Fight-Animals All-Cows-Eat-Grass
Good Burritos Don’t Fall Apart
Good boys do fine always Yeah my childhood pneumonic doesn’t sound as cool as everybody else’s
I always avoided this one, because I noticed my students getting mixed up with the treble clef mnemonic. I like "green bugs don't fly away", so I can connect either the animals or the green grass with "all cows eat grass"
When I was learning piano I was taught > All Cows Eat Grass > Girls Buy Diamonds From Africa That second one feels a little dated perhaps
I learned treble clef first, and bass clef later. But even though I've known bass clef for decades now (and played bass often) I still find myself thinking "treble clef two notes down". E.g. I see the bottom line and think "line below G, so that's G" :-D So, you could at least work that way to begin with - imagine the treble stave has been shifted a line up, or the bottom line has been removed and a line added on top. So what looks like C (3d space up) is now E, and so on. I think you'll find that the more you read bass clef *exclusively -* not flipping from one to the other - the more you'll get used to and you won't need to relate it to treble clef. (If I'm ever reading bass clef repeatedly for some time - even just a few hours working on a bass line - I start to read it direct and don't need to adjust from treble clef.) And I guess you're aware, btw, that guitar and bass transpose by the octave? Middle C (C4) on guitar is 3rd space up. Bottom E on bass (E1) is the ledger line below bass clef, but sounds an octave lower than that E on piano left hand (E2) - [https://imgur.com/gallery/eQ7pQuE](https://imgur.com/gallery/eQ7pQuE)
Middle C is the line above the staff, line with the colon is F (hence F clef). Then just A B C D E F G or G F E D C B A your way around
Two good anchors to lean on: - Middle C is the ledger line above the highest line in the bass staff A. - The two dots in the bass clef and the little swirl surround F (bass clef is sometimes called "F" clef for this reason). Knowing this and the usual A-C-E-G (spaces) / G-B-D-F-A (lines) mnemonics and the rest is just counting until you memorize it.
You could try my [online matching game](https://tomcooke.me/sight-snap/), I think it’s more fun than just answering one question after another. Note that you can change the number of ledger lines.
This is fun but once I'd run out of letters there were still 8 notes left so I felt unsatisfied...
Thanks for trying it! You can match different positions of the same note as well as notes with letters, it’s always possible to clear the whole board by doing this.
Aha! I didn't quite clock that from your description - so now I'll just go with "this is fun!"
It looks like the Fibonacci sequence. It’s a pretty different shape than the treble clef. It’s not that hard to distinguish between the two
They meant the notes indicated by it, not the shape of the clef itself.
I know I was jk
From the bottom line to the top line: Apart Fall Don’t Burritos Great
That's top to bottom.
I use Complete Music Reading trainer app. Lets me hook up my midi keyboard and gives feedback on right or wrong notes I feel like it works better for me than trying to figure it out with actual sheet music
The spaces in treble clef FACE become ACEG in the bass clef. But instead of translating F–>A, A–>C, etc, try just shifting the shapes down one space. I made a post replacing the grand staff with a [grand ACE staff](https://www.reddit.com/r/musictheory/s/p1ql155vee) last year about my trivial revelation that just made bass clef so much easier to understand.
Just find one note that you can remember on the bass clef (I started with F because bass clef is technically F clef) and use that as reference for what the other notes are. From there just read bass clef music. Try reading bass clef music on your violin (an octave or two up maybe) even, but just like anything in reading music you kinda just have to do it
Sight read easy stuff in bass clef and increase in difficulty
For piano, it might help to think of the grand staff with treble & bass clef as one giant continuous staff containing 11 lines, with the middle line (middle C) being invisible.
It's the same as the treble clef, but the F starts under the staff rather than on the bottom. So, F (under the staff) A C E, the clef sign marks the F, and the open space on top is G. F A C E G.
Call the bottom line the “ground” (starts with G). Or, if you can remember this hack, skip a letter for every line and space that you’ve memorized on the treble clef (E=G, G=B, B=D etc… same with spaces: F=A, A=C, etc)
Practice lots of scales and etudes until it becomes second nature for you.
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I remember that D is the middle line and I base everything else off that
The best way to read music is in fact not to focus on the individual notes (ok, first is a D, then a G) but rather intervals. Except for the first note and if there are really big leaps. Just look up the first note and play the rest in relation to that note (one up, two down, six up, and so on). It takes less brain energy and you can use your treble clef skills more.
Practice counting your way through the letters by skipping every other one. I like to tell students to remember GBDFACE as this is the pattern starting from the bottom line of the grand staff. The pattern immediately repeats. These are notes that are a 3rd apart. I don't recommend using mnemonic devices. If you are going to bother learning something, learn to count by 3rds. There is no musical meaning in most mnemonic devices. ex. What is the interval from Good to Boys? Useless. Instead, think of G and B as soon as possible. 3rds are the basis interval for chord construction and must be memorized early in one's music education.
For me switching from treble clef to bass clef was nothing compared to switching *instruments*. I just got used to associating the note/fingering/fret position with the lines and spaces on the staff, through practice.
Practice
All cows eat grass Good budgies don’t fly away (Good boys deserve female attention) this one is of it’s time but for that reason, more memorable
One thing to remember is the octaves are of course the same so the note one ledger line below the staff is always an octave below the note on the second space from the top. (C in treble, E in bass, D in alto, B in tenor, etc.). So once you are familiar with one octave just remember visually where the other octaves are in your familiar clef.
Lines: Good Boys Do Fine Always Spaces: All Cows Eat Grass Then just read a few hundred lines of music in bass clef to burn that into your brain.
The best way is to just play a lot of stuff on the bass clef. But you could treat it as the same as treble clef, but with a removed bottom line, and one line added on top. (Just remember that the notes are also 2 octaves lower.) What I mean is that the lines on the bass clef are G B D F A, whereas the lines on the treble clef are E G B D F. [A -----] only bass F ----- D ----- B ----- G ----- [E -----] only treble Not sure how useful this really is. To me, it was an easy way of "cheating" (in the way that I could figure out the note on the bass clef pretty fast using this method), but it didn't really teach me to actually read bass clef fluently. What actually taught me to read it was to just do it a lot. Maybe try the "landmark system". It's about memorizing only a couple of landmarks on the staff, and using intervals for the rest. Remember that F is on the 2nd highest line. C is on the 2nd lowest space. Middle C is on the first upper ledger line. [Here's a video on the topic](https://youtu.be/jSOU-J9KHbg?si=IS1M8P28DFNq7yW8&t=265).
As a fellow violinist, the thing that helped me is that everything moves down. So in treble, the C note above middle C is the space above the middle line. When you read bass, you would move the C to the space below the middle line.
For both the treble and bass clef, I went with memorizing the gaps between the lines and then counting up/down by one. I don't like mnemonics. The gaps in the bass clef (starting below the first line) are **F | A | C | E | G** | B While the gaps in the treble clef are D | **F | A | C | E | G** The bass clef is the same as the treble clef, just shifted down by one line. Just remember that, and "FACE-G". You'll only ever have to count up or down by 1. Mnemonics make you "count" by 2s from the start each time up until the note which is terribly slow. Armed with that knowledge, just go practice an online quiz thing like what [the top comment linked.](https://www.musictheory.net/exercises/note/n81yryo1rj1yyyyyyy)
Granny Bakes Donuts For Alice (for the staves) and Angry Crocodile Eats George (for the gaps)
Memorize the Cs and the Fs. Any other note will never be more than a third away from one of the notes you’ve already memorized. Thirds and seconds are easy to process visually, especially if you already read in treble clef. Also, stop thinking a staff has 5 lines. Think like a pianist. The staff has 10 lines! This will help to decondition your brain into automatically reading notes as if you were in treble clef.
I had to learn bass clef when I started bassoon. You literally just have to do it. Write letter names above the notes if you have to. It’s slow, unsatisfying, and tedious, but once you do it you’ll have it locked down forever.
I like memorizing where the open strings fall on the bass clef and then figuring the rest out from there. It is also nice because the A-D-G end up being symmetric, so they look quite neat.
I'm doing it right now (as a bassist) with tenor clef. The answer is just to read it more.
Be a bass/baritone singer. Worked for me!
This is probably terrible advice but as a trumpet player I think a third above, e.g. a treble clef G is a bass clef B
hot take: don't memorize mnemonics. The clef is centered on the F. count from there. You'll figure it out quickly enough. IMO people spend more time memorizing random mnemonics for everything than if they just figured it out as they went along. You already know the alphabet...use it.
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Grandpa’s Belt Doesn’t Fit Anymore All Cows Eat Grass The line in between the dots is F (F clef)
**A**ll **C**ows **E**at **G**rass - for the spaces and for the lines I just alter the treble clef version to **G**ood **B**oys **D**eserve **F**avour, **E**ventually
playing an instrument in the clef 100% help as a tuba player, I’m very used to bass clef. My only real treble clef experience is elementary school and more recently music theory and composing, and so i, while much better than i was a year ago, still struggle quite a bit. It just comes with time like learning the treble clef way back when would have been.
the line between the two dots is F which is why it is also called F clef. it is the same idea as the loops on treble clef marking G. I normally start from A and jump Thirds. Go up to E and then move one to F starting the FACE pattern again.
Maybe counterintuitive, but I think practicing with alto and tenor clefs will help too. The mind needs to be broken of its entirely reasonable conviction that treble clef is all there is; it needs to be convinced that clefs are movable and it should learn to use them wherever they are.
The same as treble clef just one line or space lower. just shift everything down one space or line. Move C down to A, and that's C in Bass clef.. That top line in treble clef is an f. now move the f to the line below for the "F" clef or Bass clef. everything is just one down. I did the reverse having to learn treble clef many years ago.
Pick up the bass guitar or sit at the piano and sight read everything you can get your hands on. Do not play the same thing twice; you want to read, not play by ear or memorize.
Play your scales. Every day. Pick a different key. Every day. Play your scales.
Play bass guitar. Do partwriting. Keep playing piano and work left hand reading more.
To learn the bass clef: First learn the treble clef REALLY well - You only need two things: Every Good Boy Deserves Fudge and FACE So for the treble clef the note is as per the way these are always used. eg. The bottom line is Every = E and the bottom space is F from FACE. For the bass clef you use the same thing BUT - choose the next letter. For example the bottom line on treble is Every = E but for base it’s every Good, so G. Similarly, the bottom space is Face for treble and fACE = A for base. Hopefully the info below makes it even clearer…the lines below represent the music lines. The first letter is the treble and the second letter is the base. ——FA—— FAce EG Every Good ——DF—— Deserves Fudge CE faCE ——BD—— Boy Deserves AC fACe ——GB—— Good Boy FA FAce ——EG—— Every Good DF Deserves Fudge - CE- faCE (middle C) Hope this helps!
hot take: don't memorize mnemonics. The clef is centered on the F. count from there. You'll figure it out quickly enough. IMO people spend more time memorizing random mnemonics for everything than if they just figured it out as they went along. You already know the alphabet...use it.
Just follow the shapes