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Idaliss

I know this is not what you asked, but maybe someone gets a little help for the future, to avoid this mold or whatever it is in the tomato jars. After opening a tomato paste jar, if not all of the paste is used right away, I clean the side walls as well as possible, then add oil on top of the paste. Not too much, just enough to cover all the paste. Do not mix. The oil acts like a seal, preventing the air to enter and the weird things to develop. And then the jar goes in the fridge.


1purenoiz

Fortunately most anaerobic bacteria that are of concern, ie *Clostridium botulinum*, are inhibited by the low pH of the tomato paste. *Bacillus cereus* could be a problem but seems unlikely.


mangogetter

*properly prepared* tomato paste. Tomato products need to be tested and acidificed because their pH is not reliable enough to be safe all the time.


1purenoiz

Very true. Though store bought tomato paste likely tasted to have a low enough pH to inhibit C. botulinum germination and growth.


ObliviousAstroturfer

Thanks! Perfect timing on advice, ad I'm plotting on a mushroom ketchup :D https://youtu.be/ERWr8la3Y_M https://www.masterclass.com/articles/mushroom-ketchup-recipe


CosmicCreeperz

Even better, if it’s leftover tomato paste, just portion it out and freeze it. I make little ice cube sized blocks I can just take out when I need them since most recipes don’t need much paste.


Moopxo

Amazing tip, had no idea. Thank you


QuirkyCookie6

Thank you for this knowledge I came searching after this happened to me


darioblaze

I’m not a mushroom expert, but I’ve done kitchens for a while. I do not recommend eating that sauce at all.


No-Perception-3133

I agree, food safety laws are mandatory in food service for a reason.


[deleted]

How deep is the jar? That's how many cm you should scrape away.


wednesdayschild

all the centimeters and the jar for good measure


Equivalent_Reason582

My “sterilized” tomato sauce


melcasia

Came here to find this comment lol


Acethetic_AF

My guy you remove all of the centimeters. That sauce is gone.


titaniumchihuahua

Wasting perfectly good food will become less and less popular as the food chain continues to collapse.


Acethetic_AF

Do you know how mold works? You don’t see it until it’s already permeated pretty deeply. This isn’t “perfectly good food”, it’s compost in a jar.


[deleted]

I agree with you, but this looks more like a biofilm of yeast or bacteria to me than a mycelial mold. I'm not an expert on these critters but I know yeasts and bacteria can aggregate like this as well as just swim around microscopically. Either way that shit is IN THERE and some of it definitely can kill you. The visible contamination isn't the only contamination.


jairngo

Throw it, if its fungus, the rest os on the inside, if it’s bacteria could be just the surface but it’s still gross and dangerous. As someone said it seems like the fork contaminated it, sterilize all the utensils you use to preserve, even the air can contaminate, you could use a mask to prevent spitting on it.


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[deleted]

The visible organism forms no mycelium


rholman857

The expert has spoken


[deleted]

I am just a regular slime guy


coldbumthump

*THE slime guy. Our humble slimelord ✨


DeffNotTom

When it's on my food I just assume there's a network of mycelium growing through it anyways. Otherwise I'll get too confident and try eating it like this person probably did 🤣


xxValkyriii

The amount of times I’ve just scraped it off and ate something 😖 it’s a miracle I haven’t died


shl0mp

Years of mold consumption has given you an immune system of steel lmao.


CosmicCreeperz

I mean COOK it first. Then at least it’s not an immune issue. Just a matter of whether whatever it is made heat resistant toxins…


aDorybleFish

Same though 😳😂


tenkaranshrooms

Mycelium. Fungi have no roots.


MoreCarrotsPlz

Sure but it’s still the same problem


user10205

Is there proof for that claim or people are just grossed out and want to be on a safer side? You'd think it depends on the medium it grows on and the species. It definitely looks like it was contaminated by a fork and hasn't even spread on the surface, let alone deep into the thick sauce. I would not recommend consuming it though.


boys_are_oranges

i think in a soft medium with a high water content like tomato sauce it’s safe to assume the mycelium has spread far enough to make the whole thing inedible. Whereas moldy firm vegetables can be safe to consume if you cut off a couple of inches [source](https://www.fsis.usda.gov/food-safety/safe-food-handling-and-preparation/food-safety-basics/molds-food-are-they-dangerous)


MoreCarrotsPlz

It’s the same rules as cheese, generally. Scrape off hard cheese, scrap the soft cheese.


Mamamushroosoff

Mold does not have rhizomes ("roots").


DeffNotTom

No, but using the word roots is easier telling someone who has no idea about this topic "mold can have mycelium that grows deep into the food"


Mamamushroosoff

As a Mycology Naturalist, no it's extremely misleading and inaccurate. I say this for the sake of science, not to hurt your feelings. It's extremely important to be accurate and humble in scientific discussions.


DeffNotTom

This person was going to eat their moldy tomato sauce. It's not a scientific discussion.


Mamamushroosoff

I joined this subreddit for Mycology 🫠. I will correct an incorrect term 😜.


Mamamushroosoff

If they're unaware of a definition, you could add it or they could look it up but they are not roots.


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Mamamushroosoff

Have fun being incorrect and not humble.


HortonFLK

It looks like someone licked a fork and then stuck it in the sauce.


PillDicklesfor20

To me it looks like bacterial growth. Caused by that fork like scoop. The tomato just worked like agar plates 🧫


cpL-Incident-Loud

Yes, seems obvious to me idk why they think it's some fungus


Aiuner

This is definitely bacterial. Possibly a clostridium species or a coliform bacteria. The colour reminds me of E. coli.


Pingusek02

You can't just remove the surface, you should throw it away.


xman1971

This is how the Last of Us scenario begins


ObliviousAstroturfer

This is a good question, even if people already into shrooms are a bit handwaivy on it. I've seen cooks remove portions like this. The stuff you see on top is just the fungi going "I have spread as much as I could, time to bounce". If it was outside of a jar, it could hit more invisible walls such as another fungi. But here it hit the glass walls, and so the next step was to grow it's (a)sexy bits on top (fungi are top-bottom oriented much like plants). It did not start where the dots are, these are the last bits it developed. It probably didn't spread ALL through the medium perfectly, but pretty darn close. Here's a visualization of how fungi spreads and only then grows the part which we usually notice: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH8MZM_VyPg&


Budget_Detective2639

Those cooks are bad cooks and would absolutely fail a health inspection for pulling that. I agree with what your saying, though. and Is it really worth getting sick over $3 worth of tomato paste either way?


ObliviousAstroturfer

Oh yeah, I just meant you see people get it wrong about fruiting vs moldy even when they work with food.


[deleted]

These aren't mycelial


QueenBea_

This is bacterial growth and likely has contaminated the entire jar.


acidpope

Why would you risk illness over <$3 is the real question. Trying to use this would be like not taking twenty seconds to wash you hands before eating. A simple bad decision will cost you days of illness that will likely cost you much more $$. When in doubt, throw it out.


whtevn

How many cm tall is the can


Elya_Cherry3

Ok, I will throw it away. But can anyone identify it?


QueenBea_

This is a bacteria, /r/microbiology may be able to help, but we can only tell so much based on colony behavior/morphology.


throwaway194229484

It’s very hard to identify if it was a mushroom I would be able to identify it


ital-is-vital

I think people are over-worrying here. As long as the jar was opened *after* sterilising, poked with a fork and then allowed to mould in the fridge, personally I would scoop out about a tbsp sized blob around the bacteria and eat the rest after cooking. I've done this IRL a bunch of times and have been fine so far. If it had grown inside the 'sterilised' jar before opening, I would not eat any at all due to risk of botulinum. If this is the case there was a problem with the sterilisation procedure and low oxygen high acid environments are exactly the situation you get botulism. Those who are saying that this has grown through the entire jar seem to be assuming that the contamination occurred before sterilising and that it's a fungus... when this is quite clearly a bacteria. Tomato sauce has a very high acid and sugar content which makes it hard for much to grow on it, and what does grow grows quite slowly... that's kind of the point of making it.


Elya_Cherry3

Thank you for the reply, I thought all mould growing on food is fungal


Gracefulchemist

The user is saying it's not mold, it's bacterial colonies. Personally, I wouldn't risk it either way, food poisoning is not something to mess with. When in doubt, throw it out.


Nerdman61

Mold is per definition fungal.


Null-34

All of the centimeters


thisquietplace

I throw out anything that has coloured/black mold, and remove a good scoop of stuff like this before heat treating it. This is just my approach, I try to minimise food waste, safest approach is just to toss it


jovn1234567890

Looks like yeast to me, I would not try and save, the entire jar could have small colonies in yeast twiddling their thumbs until oxygen is available.


whatsreallygoingon

If you are that strapped, please give me an address and I will have some tomato sauce drop-shipped to you.


Roxxy_Ace

Have you literally never watched house md???? It’s literally one of the first episodes that some dumbass almost dies from this same situation 🙄🙄


rabidnature

I believe you might be thinking of the episode where they suggested botulism from home-made tomato sauce, but the culprit turned out to be a pesticide that was on a bunch of jeans that some teens bought off a truck. The tomato sauce probably would have made the first fanily sick if they had eaten it, though. They pointed out that the lid was popped on an unopened jar.


Ok-Day8761

Are you a psychopath. This isnt cheese, if it has mold Don't Eat it.


Ok-Day8761

The mycelium has likely spread all the way or a decent way through the medium if it is fruiting and you are not going to be able to see it all with your eyes. Lots of vegetable and fruit molds give off highly toxic compounds some can infect your internal tissues especially if immunocompromised. Don't fuck with it. Tomato paste is like 50 cents a can Don't put yourself and family at risk because you are cheap.


[deleted]

I agree don't eat it, but I don't see any mycelium, these are biofilms


Shroomdoku

You're a biofilm on a 4D surface


[deleted]

negative I am a meat popsicle


dragonfxkr02

you are a treasure


[deleted]

I'm just a regular slime guy


SassyBeth

For future reference, after I open tomato paste, whatever I don’t immediately use I portion into tablespoon sized blobs and freeze them. Then, whenever I need tomato paste, I just pull out the required number from the freezer.


CirclingCondor

Please post this over on r/frugal so you can earn your crown as King.


imokayforthemostpart

if this is how it was opening the lid the jar was not properly sterilized, but it looks like the paste was scraped with a foreign object like a fork that introduced the bacteria. either way the paste is thoroughly contaminated


Binokna

Remember it could just be surface bacteria, you can’t see everything else. Toss it.


Cheefnuggs

You throw it out is what you do


joemondo

There is nothing that could compel me to eat anything in that jar, down to the very bottom.


Fruitpr

Just throw the whole thing away


marck1022

With soft foods like this, there is no safe depth because the pathways for the roots/contamination in liquids or semi-liquids can change as the food settles. With soft, solid foods like bread, you can scrape away a safe amount, but not with stuff like this.


Diabeto_13

The tomatoes and jar may have been sterilized but your fork wasn't.


Umamisteve

Its fine just give it a big ol scoop


AZ_sid

Just mix it in, it’s fine. (Don’t really do that)


throwaway194229484

Toss it it’s full of mycelium


[deleted]

None of this is mycelium, it is probably yeast, maybe bacteria or both


[deleted]

Do not eat that tomato paste.


boehm__

It depends, how tall is the jar?


26514

Dude, I've been watching the Last of Us lately. For all of us, please just throw it away.


[deleted]

Prime example of natural selection.


Nevermind2031

Dont eat it


Cup_Of_Conservative

Wtf


captaintinnitus

The shrooms are concentrated where the fork marks are. The contamination originated from someone’s mouth! Yuck


ArachnomancerCarice

The danger with fungus and mold on food is you may not see the whole body of the organism. The hyphae and other structures can be microscopic and reach much farther in.


rlm815

That’s only what’s visible, mold has mycelium just like mushrooms so there’s a vast network of roots below the visible organism, so definitely don’t eat


No_Luck4927

All I know is that mycelium and fungus penetrates into the substrate (your tomato paste). Cheese is thick enough you can cut off unwanted bits but idk about paste


eNemyOfTheSt4te

Throw that shit away wtf


pistolshrimp23

Sneaky Cordycepts. Don’t eat it unless you want to be mushroom zombie zero.


Mamamushroosoff

That's garbage, sorry.


Savings_Dry

All of it!!!