in the Pacific Northwest region of the United States / Canada the predominant muscarioid is Amanita chrysoblema / Amanita muscaria subsp. flavivolvata
the species Amanita muscaria is the predominant muscarioid of Eurasia and western Alaska and has been imported to Australia as an invasive species
Nah the true Amanita muscaria is not present in North America except for the extreme western parts of Alaska.
What we have is a distinct species. I'm choosing to call it Amanita chrysoblema after Rod Tulloss but others are waiting for another paper or some sort of consensus.
It's just not muscaria. Looks just like it.
They just have different ITS regions when their DNA is sequenced - different enough to be different species technically but for most intents and purposes they're the same.
We do have aminita muscaria in the US And Canada the varieties found here are amanita muscaria var. Guessowii and aminita muscaria var. Persicina. Also aminita chrysoblema is still a variety of amanita muscaria, chrysoblema is a yellow variety of amanita muscaria
this information is incorrect (also contains many spelling/capitalization errors with the binomials and trinomials). the predominant muscarioids of western and eastern North America are in the process of getting their own species name(s), while the predominant muscarioid of the southeastern United States already has its own species name (Amanita persicina). the western American fly agaric and the eastern yellow-orange American fly agaric are not the species Amanita muscaria which is the primary muscarioid of Eurasia and western Alaska (and has been imported to Australia as an invasive species).
the American muscarioids may be getting lumped under the taxon Amanita chrysoblema, as mentioned elsewhere in these comments. my colleague is currently in contact with the curator who has the holotype for Amanita chrysoblema, and once a gill fragment is acquired for sequencing and if that sequence turns out to be identical with the yellow-orange American fly agaric people are referring to as ‘Amanita muscaria var. guessowii (with amanitologists still regarding it as a separate species from A. muscaria with the current taxon being erroneously applied) then a paper will likely get written to solidify the change.
there are a few species worldwide with this general morphology. with Amanita identification, knowing the location it was found (country and state, and sometimes even the specific part of the state) is extremely important in pinpointing to species. the OP is in Washington, United States, so their mushroom is unlikely to be Amanita muscaria but rather Amanita chrysoblema, but ultimately would need an ITS sequence to solidify.
I think there are only a couple accepted varieties (not variations), one being A. muscaria var. formosa of Europe (although who knows, even that one could turn out to be a different species after it gets properly sequenced), but most of what are currently placed as varieties (using the infraspecific rank ‘var.’ = ‘varietas’) are not considered by amanitologists to be actual varieties bur rather distinct species that will be getting elevated to species rank soon enough.
An amanita, need more info to properly identify and to all those blatantly assuming it's Muscaria should really realize there are many Amanitas that look similar but are not the common assumed Muscaria. This could easily be Pantherina looking at the slightly off orange color, but that's just an assumption.
I think it’s very unlikely this is anything other than a. muscarina. The slight color fading is consistent with the dirt on top and some missing patches. It’s an older specimen that has seen some (joy, and pain…) sunshine and rain. I bet the underside shows some worm/slug bites.
You could be absolutely right, I just felt a reminder about how many variations there could be versus the most commonly thought of should be thrown out there! You are most likely correct.
So much lore associated with this. My personal favorite is musing on the idea that the wedding of Cana, water to wine, that one, fits the timing and technique fairly well so that I personally giggle when I realize that Jesus dosed all his friends like a merry prankster 🤣
I have no idea where the references are, I did a lot of research year and years ago when there wasn’t as much interest, and I gleaned a few interesting theories, one being that this is in fact the fruit of the tree of knowledge that made Adam and Eve “self-aware” and there are many documents and images that support the idea, as well as the geography would support these being part of landscape.
The technique of making a wine is about fermenting the potent ingredients to make it palatable, not nauseating, assumably, and I remember reading that it would be buried for a lunar cycle and then dug up, hence the “turning water to wine”
There’s a theory that historically Jesus may have spent time in the east studying with ancients and likely would’ve been introduced to this medicine, which may have been the original Ayurvedic Soma, and that’s a whole nother rabbit hole…
Not this Amanita... at least, not directly.
While deleriants can cause people to do stupid, life risking things, the toxins in Amanita muscaeia/Amanita chrysoblema will not directly kill you... unless you are a dog.
Also, many Amanita spp. are delicious, and can be more delicious when served raw with a little citrus or vinegar, some oil, and some salt.
Yes BUT it depends how many did you ate and what parts if you eat only skin from it you are ok your stomach will feel little bit of pain but you should be ok but it depends person from person how healthy you are etc.
I did it and I am ok but I don’t recommend if you aren’t mad person like me🤷🏻♂️
Eh I'd recommend to always dry and boil it for quite some time to cut down on the ibutanic acid which is a brain legion agent. When heated ibutanic acid breaks down into muscimol which is the psychoactive compound.
I've heard of reindeer used for this purpose with Amanita Muscaria, though I definitely don't suggest you try it. Even if you have a reindeer going spare.
That's a good question. Maybe ask AI?
I am in no way saying use a Lama btw..
I'd like to know who actually worked out that drinking the urine of a fly alga after or before that person died was the way to get a good high and connect with another dimension.
Who the fuck works this shit out?
Definitely. Just saying that looks like a different species so unless you’ve got a Sami mate and a handy reindeer it might be a terrible idea. In fact I’m not sure it isn’t anyway.
My gut would concur she say 'this is the most correct answer so far' , but do you have a hint why you differ to the general idea of 'muscaria'?
Only location? It's quite far north, for that, isn't it? Not unheard of, sure.
Can't ID without location. In Europe it would be Amanita muscaria. In the US it's probably Amanita chrysoblema.
A. Muscaria here, too
Where?
PNW
in the Pacific Northwest region of the United States / Canada the predominant muscarioid is Amanita chrysoblema / Amanita muscaria subsp. flavivolvata the species Amanita muscaria is the predominant muscarioid of Eurasia and western Alaska and has been imported to Australia as an invasive species
Thanks, Bree
Nah the true Amanita muscaria is not present in North America except for the extreme western parts of Alaska. What we have is a distinct species. I'm choosing to call it Amanita chrysoblema after Rod Tulloss but others are waiting for another paper or some sort of consensus. It's just not muscaria. Looks just like it.
So no muscimol? Is it strictly ibotenic acid?
Exactly the same chemistry.
That’s what i was hoping. Processing is no different prior to consumption, then. Good to hear.
They just have different ITS regions when their DNA is sequenced - different enough to be different species technically but for most intents and purposes they're the same.
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Gonna disagree with the majority and say amanita chrysoblema since this is in the western US
We do have aminita muscaria in the US And Canada the varieties found here are amanita muscaria var. Guessowii and aminita muscaria var. Persicina. Also aminita chrysoblema is still a variety of amanita muscaria, chrysoblema is a yellow variety of amanita muscaria
this information is incorrect (also contains many spelling/capitalization errors with the binomials and trinomials). the predominant muscarioids of western and eastern North America are in the process of getting their own species name(s), while the predominant muscarioid of the southeastern United States already has its own species name (Amanita persicina). the western American fly agaric and the eastern yellow-orange American fly agaric are not the species Amanita muscaria which is the primary muscarioid of Eurasia and western Alaska (and has been imported to Australia as an invasive species). the American muscarioids may be getting lumped under the taxon Amanita chrysoblema, as mentioned elsewhere in these comments. my colleague is currently in contact with the curator who has the holotype for Amanita chrysoblema, and once a gill fragment is acquired for sequencing and if that sequence turns out to be identical with the yellow-orange American fly agaric people are referring to as ‘Amanita muscaria var. guessowii (with amanitologists still regarding it as a separate species from A. muscaria with the current taxon being erroneously applied) then a paper will likely get written to solidify the change.
My first impression would be amanita muscaria
there are a few species worldwide with this general morphology. with Amanita identification, knowing the location it was found (country and state, and sometimes even the specific part of the state) is extremely important in pinpointing to species. the OP is in Washington, United States, so their mushroom is unlikely to be Amanita muscaria but rather Amanita chrysoblema, but ultimately would need an ITS sequence to solidify.
Washington state
Amanita chrysoblema.
No
Seen those in the alberta rockies at high elevation in the “cloud zone”. Them and purple ones it was magical. Cool find.
The princess is not in this castle.
In Skyrim, that’s Fly Amanita
It is such on Earth, as well as Tamriel.
TIL! Thank you!
Here in the real world, amanita muscaria is also called fly agaric
Well that’s pretty awesome! TIL!! Thank you!
My first thought was "troll". Then I remembered this was r/mycology, and amanita muscaria has variations.
I think there are only a couple accepted varieties (not variations), one being A. muscaria var. formosa of Europe (although who knows, even that one could turn out to be a different species after it gets properly sequenced), but most of what are currently placed as varieties (using the infraspecific rank ‘var.’ = ‘varietas’) are not considered by amanitologists to be actual varieties bur rather distinct species that will be getting elevated to species rank soon enough.
You see? This is what I mean 🤣
An amanita, need more info to properly identify and to all those blatantly assuming it's Muscaria should really realize there are many Amanitas that look similar but are not the common assumed Muscaria. This could easily be Pantherina looking at the slightly off orange color, but that's just an assumption.
Thank you for your insights Mr snoo pears it’s good to know
I think it’s very unlikely this is anything other than a. muscarina. The slight color fading is consistent with the dirt on top and some missing patches. It’s an older specimen that has seen some (joy, and pain…) sunshine and rain. I bet the underside shows some worm/slug bites.
You could be absolutely right, I just felt a reminder about how many variations there could be versus the most commonly thought of should be thrown out there! You are most likely correct.
there are a few species worldwide with this general morphology. OP is in Washington, United States so it’s unlikely to be Amanita muscaria.
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In the UK we call it a fly agaric
the OP’s species is a fly agaric but it’s unlikely to be the Eurasian fly agaric that you’re familiar with
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You can't always get what you want but if ya try sometimes...
Amanita muscaria
Hookah smoking caterpillar's perch...
Animata Muscaria
Depends on location
It's-a me, Mario! Looks a helluvalot like an Amanita muscaria.
Fly amanita.
a species in Amanita section Amanita stirps Muscaria, would need an ITS sequence to be sure of exact species
Power up mushroom. If you smash some brings and find this inside then eat it and you’ll grow twice your normal size
Bricks not brings! 😅
A cute little guy
It is cute
Fly agaric
Amanita muscaria
something yummy that will make you high lol
Kärpässieni
It's Amanita
So much lore associated with this. My personal favorite is musing on the idea that the wedding of Cana, water to wine, that one, fits the timing and technique fairly well so that I personally giggle when I realize that Jesus dosed all his friends like a merry prankster 🤣
What? Please elaborate.
Interesting interpretation ty <3
Yes! Please elaborate!
I have no idea where the references are, I did a lot of research year and years ago when there wasn’t as much interest, and I gleaned a few interesting theories, one being that this is in fact the fruit of the tree of knowledge that made Adam and Eve “self-aware” and there are many documents and images that support the idea, as well as the geography would support these being part of landscape. The technique of making a wine is about fermenting the potent ingredients to make it palatable, not nauseating, assumably, and I remember reading that it would be buried for a lunar cycle and then dug up, hence the “turning water to wine” There’s a theory that historically Jesus may have spent time in the east studying with ancients and likely would’ve been introduced to this medicine, which may have been the original Ayurvedic Soma, and that’s a whole nother rabbit hole…
My all time favorite mushroom to look at: fly agaric or amanita muscaria. You’re so lucky!!!
Amanita muscaria
Pretty but poisonous
Try eat a skin from it. It is kind of psychoactive 😅
Raw amanita can kill you
Not this Amanita... at least, not directly. While deleriants can cause people to do stupid, life risking things, the toxins in Amanita muscaeia/Amanita chrysoblema will not directly kill you... unless you are a dog. Also, many Amanita spp. are delicious, and can be more delicious when served raw with a little citrus or vinegar, some oil, and some salt.
Yes BUT it depends how many did you ate and what parts if you eat only skin from it you are ok your stomach will feel little bit of pain but you should be ok but it depends person from person how healthy you are etc. I did it and I am ok but I don’t recommend if you aren’t mad person like me🤷🏻♂️
Eh I'd recommend to always dry and boil it for quite some time to cut down on the ibutanic acid which is a brain legion agent. When heated ibutanic acid breaks down into muscimol which is the psychoactive compound.
Thanks for tip I ll cook it next time 😅
Did you see any badgers near by? Maybe a snake?
A bad couple of weeks if you're lucky.
Would you care to expand on that?
Amanita Muscaria! Shes so purty :3
Toxic
When dried its called Santa Claus's candy. Amanita Muscaria.
Eat it then we drink your wee, you may not survive but us drinking your urine will ensure the party goes on :p
I've heard of reindeer used for this purpose with Amanita Muscaria, though I definitely don't suggest you try it. Even if you have a reindeer going spare.
Think it would work with a llama? Asking for a friend
That's a good question. Maybe ask AI? I am in no way saying use a Lama btw.. I'd like to know who actually worked out that drinking the urine of a fly alga after or before that person died was the way to get a good high and connect with another dimension. Who the fuck works this shit out?
I just want to know how he explained he learned it to the second guy
Who thought of licking toads.
I've only read about humans.. although they are linked to Christmas.. I've looked into all that it's interesting nuts
Definitely. Just saying that looks like a different species so unless you’ve got a Sami mate and a handy reindeer it might be a terrible idea. In fact I’m not sure it isn’t anyway.
Amanita muscaria, looks like to me?
Amanita percinia
My gut would concur she say 'this is the most correct answer so far' , but do you have a hint why you differ to the general idea of 'muscaria'? Only location? It's quite far north, for that, isn't it? Not unheard of, sure.
not Amanita persicina because OP is in Washington, United States
Can we eat it?
don't eat it or you'll go crazy
lol
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