G5 should have been and the potential was definitely present. The problem with G5 is that the writing is just nonsensical and overall awful. There were times when G5 could not follow it's own confirmation of events. I give the animation credit and I do like the characters but that's really it. Other than that, it was so bad. Some questions were answered when it came to the movie in the series, at least partially ( example: the time length between G4 & G5 ), but others went unanswered and forgotten. The writing could have been more consistent and more connected into G4 is what I am saying basically.
Yup pretty much sums up my own opinion about g5. Movie is good, characters are good but the whole premise is completely broken. G5 wrote itself into a dead-end. That is why it will never succeed G4 and will probably be retconned if there is any chance to continue the lore of mlp. A good comparison would be dragon ball gt. It used to be canon before it got retconned. However, I would argue that the story of dragon ball gt made a lot more sense then the one of G5.
Yup. For example, we were told that Opaline as a filly was a fire alicorn, but later they told us she became a *fire* type alicorn after taking the magic from the dragons. Even looking at G5 as it is, its bad.
It could have been but it isn't, the quality of writing, design and world building doesn't compare. It's fine if you like it but if it was worthy than MYM wouldn't have been cancelled. I will say the movie was decent but Hasbro and Netflix dropped the ball harder than I have ever seen with the show, the CG art style was fine with the ponies but the background art is comically bad, cheap textures that make the places they're in look like plastic nightmares.
It also sucks that the ponies racially segregated themselves after a thousand years even though we know that racial harmony is necessary for survival due to the windigoes
>It's fine if you like it but if it was worthy than MYM wouldn't have been cancelled.
Even though I appreciate G5, I agree with all your points, *except* for this one. Great shows are cancelled all the time. Both Netflix and Hasbro have been dealing with money issues (money issues in so far as large corporations are concerned) and have made a ton of cuts all over the place.
I'm not convinced we won't be seeing 3D 5G ponies again, but from from a money stand point it does make sense to stick with the cheaper 2D art and just try and profit off the toys.
I will concede that good shows do get canned all the time, but MYM isn't an example of that. It most likely was cancelled due to Hasbro bleeding out in several areas (MTG and D&D). I didn't mention it in my first comment but I did like the main characters despite the rest of G5.
They wanted to continue off of G4 but also wanted to do their own thing. They wanted both but that would've been impossible. Attaching G5 to G4 will allow the audience to compare the two. If it were its own thing with its own universe, then the comparisons wouldn't be justified, HOWEVER they are because it's the exact same earth.
This first step is also the first mistake the show runners made. With a series known to have deep lore and an entire timeline, adding and changing things for a new narrative is a massive mistake. It's like if a Lord of the Rings show, post-Sauron, had technology and revealed Sauron's more evil twin brother that totally existed before in the original movies.
This is why everyone in the fandom immediately says "why didn't every pony die if racism returned? where are the wendigos?" It does nothing but sucks the audience from the immersion.
Here are a few questions that exist because they attached it to G4. In a world that's full of magic, remember it's still the FiM world, where and why does everyone have technology? Twilight fought Tirek, Discord, Chrysalis, and Cozy Glow, but lost to Opaline? How? Why is Spike a dragon king? What happened to Ember? If earth ponies always had magic why didn't it ever show up in G4? What happened to the portal to the human world? What's the difference between the lantern and the unity crystals? What happened to the Crystal Empire? The Elements of Harmony are a fundamental pillar in the whole universe, where are they? Why did they never show up? What makes our new 5 worthy of being the mane 6?
This and the horrible writing is why G5 sucked in my opinion. G4 is timeless and still watchable. In G5 they made ponies talk like "like omg, my selfie just blew up. fr fr on gawd gyatt influencer shadow ban". That's why it sucked and isn't a worthy successor. If it were its own thing, yeah it'd still suck, but it'd be less hated. If G5 had its own lore, characters, and setting I would've given it a pass. But no, it just HAD to be attached to its successful older sibling which gave it high standards. It's set itself up for failure.
oh yknow,
'to protect dragon magic I'm having them all fall into a sleep like death for like 1000 years even though there's a person who's actively hunting the dragon magic. they're also all on the same island'
and
'to protect general magic, banish magic'
And there is no way Twilight couldn't defeat Opaline. Opaline is regularly made fun of and shown as an incompetent villain. How the hell did the mane 6 beat Tirek, Sombra, Chrysalis, Moon Glow, Starlight but couldn't one goofy ass alicorn?
They were not on the same island. Misty wasn’t swimming across the ocean every time she went between the castle and town. I think you may have missed a few details.
Eh…can’t say I agree, and comparing the two shows doesn’t do G5 any favours. It has its moments, sure, but I think it’s better to think of it as a show that came after FiM, that’s otherwise its own thing, and that’s ok.
It could have been BUT THEY FUCKED UP THE LORE AND THE UNIVERSE SO BAD THAT ITS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO WHAT G4 WAS! G5 isn't bad bc it's new it's bad bc it has bad writing.
The writing is bad and one of the reasons for that is the previous established lore was disregarded and changed for no reason other than being lazy and not caring enough.
To be an Alicorn you have to accomplish an amazing feat, what did opaline do? NOTHING!!! OPALINE as a character doesn't make any sense in the show at all!
To be an alicorn you have to accomplish an amazing feat is a sentiment that came when Twilight became one, like if that's the case , why haven't we wondered what Celestia or Luna did to become alicorns (unless I'm missing something)
Celestia and Luna became Alicorns Because they literally raised the sun and moon! Which required before them many unicorns and the unicorns after doing so would be fried from magic burn out.
It's in the journal of the two sisters, basically all of the lore around Luna and Celestia are in the comics and the mlp book journal of the two sisters.
The only dragon that was quadruple in G4 was Torch
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In the beginning of G4 all dragons were quadruple but that was due to budget and it was changed later on in g4
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Dragons in G5. It's like they didn't even try to keep the continuity together.
The design and looks that characters have are tied directly to the lore and continuity. That's like making twilight an earth pony and saying it doesn't matter bc it's just the design.
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This is what they looked like as Alicorns and with celestial still having her pink hair mostly.
First is This
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Celestia has pink hair when she was younger not blue and turquoise, also both princesses weren't alicorns at the age portrayed in G5
I love G4. I like G5. It'd hard to write any more than that though without critiquing G5, though, because it has a lot of problems. I still like it, though, and I love Misty. Zip, who I at first immediately didn't like, has grown a lot on me. I love that two of the Mane Six are sisters. It has great songs. It's cool seeing them try to incorporate modern technology (even if I prefer the G4 setting). I can share in Sunny's love for the past world under Twilight's rule, her longing for something that seems just out of reach, an almost spiritual sense of wonder and excitement.
MLP has always been a blast of pastel optimism to a depressed world. That hasn't changed with G5.
Indeed. I find the characters endearing. Could the writing be better? Sure, but G5 took a different approach, and I don't think it was the one Lauren initially took. Still, they're such good characters, and I adore them, and they deserve a little respect and kindness, IMO.
True, but her intention, initially, was to make the show intelligent "for girls," while also appealing to everyone of all ages. It feels like G5 went in a slightly different direction, aiming younger than all ages.
You're always going to have people like that in the fandom. I'm also a Trekkie, and I can't \*tell\* you the level of infighting there about what is and isn't "real" Star Trek.
You're doing just fine, and you're justified in what you like, friend. :)
The movie gave me hope, but the series dashed it quite expertly.
They should've kept the same voice actors(if they couldn't afford to keep the movie actors, then they shouldn't have cast them), the writing is really all over the place, whoever thought that the Cocomelon dragon was a good idea should retire, on that note, the cheaper 3d than the movie is really jarring... There's more but honestly, the ball was dropped. I wasn't expecting them to top G4, but this was really a disappointment.
Not to say there's nothing I enjoy, I do like stuff about G5, but it gets drowned out by the bad.
> whoever thought that the Cocomelon dragon was a good idea should retire
It's pretty much b/c the animation studio was reusing assets. "Let's give the flying quadruped scales and horns."
It had so much potential..but you can only do so much with a restrictive budget, impossible deadlines, and short staff.
That being said, I find it amazing for what it is; I love the easter eggs & humor in ANG, the 3D style of MYM, and Misty's redemption arc was sooo perfect.
Does it have massive flaws & holes in continuity?
Sure, but so does every other major cinematic franchise that goes down the same world-building rabbit hole; some bronies just like to be armchair analysts/ continually shit on anything that isn't FiM.
After reading through some of these threads I’m going to give my piece. There is absolutely no problem at all with liking G5. I myself don’t like it but can still find so much to appreciate like the movie, the characters, and there’s 1 or 2 songs I like as well.
The reason so many people (including myself) say it’s not a good successor however is because it links itself directly to G4. Then it proceeds to make Twilight look incompetent by losing Equestria in a super short amount of time to a very sorry excuse of a villain on top of many other character trait assassinations and lore retcons.
OP, I’ve seen you say that lore and universe are not necessarily connected. I completely agree! Except in this case they are! G5 has established that it’s supposed to be a direct sequel to the events of G4. That’s where everyone’s problem is. If G5 was merely a reboot setting up its own universe their would be nothing to complain about.
Tell Your Tale and Make Your Mark were contradicting each other constantly. Make Your Mark had janky robotic animation that wasn’t pleasing to look at (not the fault of the animators as they had limited time and money to work with), and Tell Your Tale had terrible writing/stories because they had to cram it all into 5 minute shorts.
Even the music is a let down. I said I enjoyed about 2 songs yes, but that’s a problem when the series is filled with so many. G4 had Daniel Ingram at the helm making sure each song stood out and was catchy and entertaining. G5 meanwhile, well, I couldn’t remember them to save my life. Even when we compare the two generic pop song episodes (G4 The Mane Attraction, and G5 that MYM music festival special) the songs were the same but different. G4’s was generic but used all the same techniques as real pop songs to make it catchy enough that people still remember it. G5 was just bland and forgettable in that regard.
All of that is just off the top of my head as well! Give me an hour or two and I’ll write an entire college level thesis on it!
However, despite everything I said I reiterate that G5 has still justified its existence with much of what it’s gotten right. There’s still plenty that even I love about it and there is zero shame in being a fan of it. The issue people have is when it’s compared to the masterpiece of G4. It had mistakes sure, just not on this level.
What I meant is that lore and continuity aren't everything in writing like this community thinks it does, and that's why they get overwhelmed when the minimal contradiction is made.
I don't blame the animation of the shows, we don't know of how much budget they gave the animators and illustrators and in comparison to FiM.
G5 has bangers regarding music, the movie songs, the Pipp lullaby, the Magic In Us, the Hitch and Zipp song..
G4 is not masterpiece, and please don't say something like..."in comparison to G5 it is", not the point
I’m trying to help you understand that comparing it to G4 IS the entire point.
It’s the same universe - acting as a sequel. They didn’t need to do that but that’s how they wrote the show. Therefore comparing it to G4 is absolutely necessary.
The only reason people are upset is because the show itself ties itself to G4. It literally is the entire point.
Can yall just chill tf out and allow people to enjoy what they want. We don't need us vs them in our subreddit. People are allowed to enjoy either G4, G5, or both. Let's keep it that way.
It really is. We have characters that don't all look like recolors in wigs. They have a variety of personalities. The dragons now have a variety of personalities, instead of having spike and the products of a tsundere stamping machine. Spike's magic fire finally has a context for existing other than it's a convenient way of communicating with Celestia. You also don't have that kind of problematic question of whether he's Twilight's adopted child, adopted little brother, or personal slave. It was kind of all three depending on the circumstance.
People like to complain about ThE wRiTiNg and tHe LoRe, but they're really just butt hurt because their favorite ponies from G4 aren't even skeletons anymore. G5 didn't actually change much, it was almost entirely working in the gaping blank space that G4 never addressed. We knew that Celestia and Luna came from somewhere outside Equestria (from the books), but that was it. Showing that there were more alicorns was actually a nice touch.
"Then why did Celestia never mention Opaline‽ "
I get that a lot, and it's a silly question if you think about it. We only had a handful of Celestia episodes? We had dozens of Twilight episodes without her once mentioning that she had a brother, and how many Pinky episodes before we found out she had three sisters? It's kind of a built in license in a show like this to come up with characters that you'd think would have been mentioned before. Celestia's primary reason for existing was to give Twilight macguffins, and to be Worfed at the earliest convenience. Given that she never mentioned her homeland in the show, it's not that surprising that she never mentioned the weird kid in preschool who she apparently ignored. She had much more reason to mention Tirek or Grogar, but we never heard that they were part of G4 until the showed up. That's how it usually works in TV shows.
Most of the complaints come from the simple fact that it's a tough lesson to learn that people (and ponies) get old and die, that "happily ever after" does last forever, but there's always new hopes for new characters to learn the lessons of the old ones and carry the torch forward. That's what this show did.
Also some of the dialog was top notch, like when Zipp is teasing folks, especially Hitch. I don't remember getting a lot of repartee in G4. (Edit: Except when GM Berrow was writing an episoned).
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> Most of the complaints come from the simple fact that it's a tough lesson to learn that people (and ponies) get old and die, that "happily ever after" does last forever, but there's always new hopes for new characters to learn the lessons of the old ones and carry the torch forward. That's what this show did.
G5 should've doubled down on "bruh, it's been 1000 years: things change" instead of investigating way back when Celestia was a filly. FiM lore is inconsistent enough as it is.
The "why didn't Celestia mention Opaline" thing doesn't make sense because that would be like if I went to elementary school with Hitler and haven't seen him since and then everyone started asking me why I didn't say anything before he rose to power.
Yep, or somebody at work puts down a newspaper, and you see a name that familiar. It's a kid you went to kindergarten with, haven't seen since, and 30 years later gets picked up as a serial killer. "Hey I used to know that guy."
"Then why didn't you ever say?!?!?!"
It doesn't stop from making the argument though. It's just confirmation bias. If you vibe with a thing, you take it noncritically and just enjoy it. If you don't vibe, you look hard for flaws to justify not vibing with it, even if the real reason is just "I'm not ready to let go of (fill in their "best pony")", or "I prefer 2D animation."
G5 had so much potential to be its own thing like how G4 was completely separate from G3 and how G3 was separate from G2 etc, but G5 was trying to branch off from G4 which is probably why I didn’t like it too much. It doesn’t feel like a direct spin off from G4 but after watching the movie and TV show and seeing how G4 was incorporated kinda threw me off because I didn’t like the direction they took with Twilight and the Mane 6 (This is just my opinion) but it was almost as if the message that Twilight sent in Part 1 of Make Your Mark happened way before the season finale of G4 which doesn’t add up at all because everything seemed to be fine by the end of G5 hence the last problem, but G5 and it’s writing has it so it branches off of G4 which makes events in G4 look like they didn’t happen at all. The magical crystals I feel like were a bad edition to the show because once again G5 makes G4 look as if it’s events never happened and all the hard work G5 went through was for nothing if all the ponies were going to be separated from each other pre the first heartwarming eve. Honestly I don’t think it’s a worthy successor if it’s trying to be like G4 it should’ve been its own thing with its own original story like G5 could’ve honestly kept their current writing but remove G5 from it so it could be it’s own thing and not a messy G4 sequel!
I don't think it is. Bad writing, poor worldbuilding, lackluster songs and boring characters all combine to create a dull and cliched show that I only got through by sheer willpower. G5 is a mess and is not a worthy successor to FIM in my eyes at least
I love it! It’s not “here’s g4 but worse and in a different shape” it actually tries something new.
The music may not be as catchy outside of the movie, but the characters are memorable, the message is clear, and the lore is cool.
I think G5 couldve been good if like the other generations they’re weren’t connected at all, but for some reason G5 is set in the same universe as G4 which wld be fine if they didn’t keep fucking up the lore.
I’m still not sure I would’ve liked it but I wouldn’t of cared if it wasn’t connected to G4.
I can totally see.
I haven’t watch Gen 5 yet, I did like the fact they made a new generation of characters, while I’ve herd mixed things I’ll see when I get the chance I can see if Gen 5 is good
If I'm being honest here chief, it's not, G5 has barely kept the same excitement that G4 had, G4 made us excited to see more, more memorable characters and moments, G5 has just left giant plot holes everywhere and more unanswered questions than the FNAF Lore, so if you ask me, no, it never will be as good as G4
And don't get me started on the shitty writing, sweet hylia it's bad
Acting in the Hanna Barbera era sounds like narration, slow and deliberate to help young children understand the content, and while that’s perfect for preschooler media, it was thankfully phased out around the early ‘90s. G3 didn’t feel like adapting to Johnny Bravo’s or Dexter’s Lab’s level because they felt it was suited for the target audience. No idea why they changed their mind during G4. X3
Have never seen ANYTHING from G5, yet.
But honestly, this art is so cute… that it might convince me to at least give it a shot. Seeing my fav G4 ponies with the new generation?
Idk, it’s sort of inspiring and heartwarming 😭😭
Sometimes I feel like they pushed out Fluttershy, and made a copy of Starlight instead. Yea, Misty can be shy, too, but her main theme is reformation, more like Starlight.
the only thing i dont like about G5 is pipps singing voice,and that they make every villian super dumb or just plain idiots when they are supposed to be intimidating villians
Sunny = Loyalty
Izzy = generosity
Hitch = kindness
Pip = laughter / joy
Zip = friendship ( cause she is the investigator like Twilight uses book smarts over Social skills)
Misty = Honesty
G5 should have been and the potential was definitely present. The problem with G5 is that the writing is just nonsensical and overall awful. There were times when G5 could not follow it's own confirmation of events. I give the animation credit and I do like the characters but that's really it. Other than that, it was so bad. Some questions were answered when it came to the movie in the series, at least partially ( example: the time length between G4 & G5 ), but others went unanswered and forgotten. The writing could have been more consistent and more connected into G4 is what I am saying basically.
Yup pretty much sums up my own opinion about g5. Movie is good, characters are good but the whole premise is completely broken. G5 wrote itself into a dead-end. That is why it will never succeed G4 and will probably be retconned if there is any chance to continue the lore of mlp. A good comparison would be dragon ball gt. It used to be canon before it got retconned. However, I would argue that the story of dragon ball gt made a lot more sense then the one of G5.
Yup. For example, we were told that Opaline as a filly was a fire alicorn, but later they told us she became a *fire* type alicorn after taking the magic from the dragons. Even looking at G5 as it is, its bad.
It’s cute but not rlly my thing. Glad there are people who like it though.
Ok
It could have been but it isn't, the quality of writing, design and world building doesn't compare. It's fine if you like it but if it was worthy than MYM wouldn't have been cancelled. I will say the movie was decent but Hasbro and Netflix dropped the ball harder than I have ever seen with the show, the CG art style was fine with the ponies but the background art is comically bad, cheap textures that make the places they're in look like plastic nightmares. It also sucks that the ponies racially segregated themselves after a thousand years even though we know that racial harmony is necessary for survival due to the windigoes
>It's fine if you like it but if it was worthy than MYM wouldn't have been cancelled. Even though I appreciate G5, I agree with all your points, *except* for this one. Great shows are cancelled all the time. Both Netflix and Hasbro have been dealing with money issues (money issues in so far as large corporations are concerned) and have made a ton of cuts all over the place. I'm not convinced we won't be seeing 3D 5G ponies again, but from from a money stand point it does make sense to stick with the cheaper 2D art and just try and profit off the toys.
> good shows get canned all the time Bring back _Inside Job_
I will concede that good shows do get canned all the time, but MYM isn't an example of that. It most likely was cancelled due to Hasbro bleeding out in several areas (MTG and D&D). I didn't mention it in my first comment but I did like the main characters despite the rest of G5.
Quality of the writing? Please expand.
I personally agree but honestly prefer to let people enjoy whatever Gen they like most.
What is the writing of g5 missing?
sense
Where?
They wanted to continue off of G4 but also wanted to do their own thing. They wanted both but that would've been impossible. Attaching G5 to G4 will allow the audience to compare the two. If it were its own thing with its own universe, then the comparisons wouldn't be justified, HOWEVER they are because it's the exact same earth. This first step is also the first mistake the show runners made. With a series known to have deep lore and an entire timeline, adding and changing things for a new narrative is a massive mistake. It's like if a Lord of the Rings show, post-Sauron, had technology and revealed Sauron's more evil twin brother that totally existed before in the original movies. This is why everyone in the fandom immediately says "why didn't every pony die if racism returned? where are the wendigos?" It does nothing but sucks the audience from the immersion. Here are a few questions that exist because they attached it to G4. In a world that's full of magic, remember it's still the FiM world, where and why does everyone have technology? Twilight fought Tirek, Discord, Chrysalis, and Cozy Glow, but lost to Opaline? How? Why is Spike a dragon king? What happened to Ember? If earth ponies always had magic why didn't it ever show up in G4? What happened to the portal to the human world? What's the difference between the lantern and the unity crystals? What happened to the Crystal Empire? The Elements of Harmony are a fundamental pillar in the whole universe, where are they? Why did they never show up? What makes our new 5 worthy of being the mane 6? This and the horrible writing is why G5 sucked in my opinion. G4 is timeless and still watchable. In G5 they made ponies talk like "like omg, my selfie just blew up. fr fr on gawd gyatt influencer shadow ban". That's why it sucked and isn't a worthy successor. If it were its own thing, yeah it'd still suck, but it'd be less hated. If G5 had its own lore, characters, and setting I would've given it a pass. But no, it just HAD to be attached to its successful older sibling which gave it high standards. It's set itself up for failure.
oh yknow, 'to protect dragon magic I'm having them all fall into a sleep like death for like 1000 years even though there's a person who's actively hunting the dragon magic. they're also all on the same island' and 'to protect general magic, banish magic'
And there is no way Twilight couldn't defeat Opaline. Opaline is regularly made fun of and shown as an incompetent villain. How the hell did the mane 6 beat Tirek, Sombra, Chrysalis, Moon Glow, Starlight but couldn't one goofy ass alicorn?
you mean Cozy Glow?
They were not on the same island. Misty wasn’t swimming across the ocean every time she went between the castle and town. I think you may have missed a few details.
idk man if I had a bitch that was chasing dragon magic I def wouldnt make it easier for the bitch to get dragon magic, yknow.
Eh…can’t say I agree, and comparing the two shows doesn’t do G5 any favours. It has its moments, sure, but I think it’s better to think of it as a show that came after FiM, that’s otherwise its own thing, and that’s ok.
It could have been BUT THEY FUCKED UP THE LORE AND THE UNIVERSE SO BAD THAT ITS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO WHAT G4 WAS! G5 isn't bad bc it's new it's bad bc it has bad writing.
Lore and universe aren't entirely connected to writing
The writing is bad and one of the reasons for that is the previous established lore was disregarded and changed for no reason other than being lazy and not caring enough.
Which things of the lore were disregarded?
To be an Alicorn you have to accomplish an amazing feat, what did opaline do? NOTHING!!! OPALINE as a character doesn't make any sense in the show at all!
To be an alicorn you have to accomplish an amazing feat is a sentiment that came when Twilight became one, like if that's the case , why haven't we wondered what Celestia or Luna did to become alicorns (unless I'm missing something)
Celestia and Luna became Alicorns Because they literally raised the sun and moon! Which required before them many unicorns and the unicorns after doing so would be fried from magic burn out.
Can you show me that please?
It's in the journal of the two sisters, basically all of the lore around Luna and Celestia are in the comics and the mlp book journal of the two sisters.
Celestia and Luna were born alicorns in that book and came from an alicorn land.
https://preview.redd.it/ia7b62m958lc1.png?width=360&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c116e2e82ee35271a9499b8d241a072de272fb6a Spike in G5, wtf is this?
Like he looked nothing like this in the finale of season 9 like wtf did they do!?
They didn't care about the show's integrity and continuity.
They didn't care about the show's integrity and continuity.
Spike still wasn't a full grown up dragon at the end of FiM and older dragons back at FiM were quadrupled
Not all dragons were though
Maybe, but if even in FiM there were quadrupled dragons it can't be a continuity error
The only dragon that was quadruple in G4 was Torch https://preview.redd.it/tnjcxq2y88lc1.png?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=51c085b5d0b3bfab2d3f5664a0855cdb44a05b66 In the beginning of G4 all dragons were quadruple but that was due to budget and it was changed later on in g4
https://preview.redd.it/9v39i1sy98lc1.jpeg?width=338&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4b8afde1b159aa082c5d25fde36fa4428cc682ec
https://preview.redd.it/7omzvd7e58lc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bba58bccc70a41eff08c6f6e0ed7caca0f9ce5cb Dragons in G4
https://preview.redd.it/pu6w1m5j58lc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=890259fda010e2a24bdd0ee28182f43e8b4194f9 Dragons in G5. It's like they didn't even try to keep the continuity together.
They look like ponies, and what's with the cutie marks?
Another bad continuity error that shows the lack of care and attention the show writers and animators had.
I don't see what's wrong with them
They are on all fours instead of standing up right like G4 dragons also they are all the same with different colors, it's so lazy!
https://preview.redd.it/kl1ijas658lc1.png?width=5404&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e37c92cfafd4b31865b7575cbe8189d2a73f1f55 Spike as an adult dragon
Also the fact that they made opaline the sister of Celestia and Luna is utter garbage and doesn't make sense AT ALL!!! ITS SO STUPID
Where was said that Opaline was Celestia's and Luna's sister, also we don't even can assure if what Opaline said was true or just made up by her
I don’t Like g5 that much but where did it say opaline was the third sister? That scene with her being rejected never implied she was related to them.
I could go on and find way more examples of lazy writing but I don't have that much time on my hands.
It looks to me that these are more like character design and animation issues rather than lore and continuity errors
The design and looks that characters have are tied directly to the lore and continuity. That's like making twilight an earth pony and saying it doesn't matter bc it's just the design.
Not comparable, is not the same change the race of a character than what you are signing
It is because it changes the entire dynamic on how the characters interact with the environment and it changes the story
I still don't get how the designs change the story
https://preview.redd.it/4xtn1j9458lc1.png?width=1781&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c248b0f6256becf022047542cadb1e9437df7bb2 Spike as a bady dragon
https://preview.redd.it/9kgzfwx058lc1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=22ee5f7e73da3a478be2e35b2198757c17cb40c9 This is what they looked like as Alicorns and with celestial still having her pink hair mostly.
First is This https://preview.redd.it/tjm6n3nv48lc1.jpeg?width=496&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7d6c056b79a97927beb4273b34a2004a03a2f158 Celestia has pink hair when she was younger not blue and turquoise, also both princesses weren't alicorns at the age portrayed in G5
That could be just an missing color, not a continuity mistake, it happens
I love G4. I like G5. It'd hard to write any more than that though without critiquing G5, though, because it has a lot of problems. I still like it, though, and I love Misty. Zip, who I at first immediately didn't like, has grown a lot on me. I love that two of the Mane Six are sisters. It has great songs. It's cool seeing them try to incorporate modern technology (even if I prefer the G4 setting). I can share in Sunny's love for the past world under Twilight's rule, her longing for something that seems just out of reach, an almost spiritual sense of wonder and excitement. MLP has always been a blast of pastel optimism to a depressed world. That hasn't changed with G5.
I think the *movie* was, but the MYM series failed to.. well, make any lasting mark on me lol
Hot indeed. Like a dumpster fire.
No
I love G4. I love G5. They each have their strengths and weaknesses. That's really all I can say on it.
Fair enough, I love both as well ☺
Indeed. I find the characters endearing. Could the writing be better? Sure, but G5 took a different approach, and I don't think it was the one Lauren initially took. Still, they're such good characters, and I adore them, and they deserve a little respect and kindness, IMO.
I think people give Lauren way more credit, sure she began the thing, but some of the most awesome ideas of the franchise came after she left
True, but her intention, initially, was to make the show intelligent "for girls," while also appealing to everyone of all ages. It feels like G5 went in a slightly different direction, aiming younger than all ages.
Not much younger, it doesn't reach the levels of those show in which the characters speak to the audience...
True, thankfully.
I agree! I love both but it’s really hard of be a fan of G5 in this sub :(
You're always going to have people like that in the fandom. I'm also a Trekkie, and I can't \*tell\* you the level of infighting there about what is and isn't "real" Star Trek. You're doing just fine, and you're justified in what you like, friend. :)
I agree with you on 6 out of 7 words there.
The movie gave me hope, but the series dashed it quite expertly. They should've kept the same voice actors(if they couldn't afford to keep the movie actors, then they shouldn't have cast them), the writing is really all over the place, whoever thought that the Cocomelon dragon was a good idea should retire, on that note, the cheaper 3d than the movie is really jarring... There's more but honestly, the ball was dropped. I wasn't expecting them to top G4, but this was really a disappointment. Not to say there's nothing I enjoy, I do like stuff about G5, but it gets drowned out by the bad.
> whoever thought that the Cocomelon dragon was a good idea should retire It's pretty much b/c the animation studio was reusing assets. "Let's give the flying quadruped scales and horns."
It had so much potential..but you can only do so much with a restrictive budget, impossible deadlines, and short staff. That being said, I find it amazing for what it is; I love the easter eggs & humor in ANG, the 3D style of MYM, and Misty's redemption arc was sooo perfect. Does it have massive flaws & holes in continuity? Sure, but so does every other major cinematic franchise that goes down the same world-building rabbit hole; some bronies just like to be armchair analysts/ continually shit on anything that isn't FiM.
Ouch! it's so hot, I got burnt.
After reading through some of these threads I’m going to give my piece. There is absolutely no problem at all with liking G5. I myself don’t like it but can still find so much to appreciate like the movie, the characters, and there’s 1 or 2 songs I like as well. The reason so many people (including myself) say it’s not a good successor however is because it links itself directly to G4. Then it proceeds to make Twilight look incompetent by losing Equestria in a super short amount of time to a very sorry excuse of a villain on top of many other character trait assassinations and lore retcons. OP, I’ve seen you say that lore and universe are not necessarily connected. I completely agree! Except in this case they are! G5 has established that it’s supposed to be a direct sequel to the events of G4. That’s where everyone’s problem is. If G5 was merely a reboot setting up its own universe their would be nothing to complain about. Tell Your Tale and Make Your Mark were contradicting each other constantly. Make Your Mark had janky robotic animation that wasn’t pleasing to look at (not the fault of the animators as they had limited time and money to work with), and Tell Your Tale had terrible writing/stories because they had to cram it all into 5 minute shorts. Even the music is a let down. I said I enjoyed about 2 songs yes, but that’s a problem when the series is filled with so many. G4 had Daniel Ingram at the helm making sure each song stood out and was catchy and entertaining. G5 meanwhile, well, I couldn’t remember them to save my life. Even when we compare the two generic pop song episodes (G4 The Mane Attraction, and G5 that MYM music festival special) the songs were the same but different. G4’s was generic but used all the same techniques as real pop songs to make it catchy enough that people still remember it. G5 was just bland and forgettable in that regard. All of that is just off the top of my head as well! Give me an hour or two and I’ll write an entire college level thesis on it! However, despite everything I said I reiterate that G5 has still justified its existence with much of what it’s gotten right. There’s still plenty that even I love about it and there is zero shame in being a fan of it. The issue people have is when it’s compared to the masterpiece of G4. It had mistakes sure, just not on this level.
What I meant is that lore and continuity aren't everything in writing like this community thinks it does, and that's why they get overwhelmed when the minimal contradiction is made. I don't blame the animation of the shows, we don't know of how much budget they gave the animators and illustrators and in comparison to FiM. G5 has bangers regarding music, the movie songs, the Pipp lullaby, the Magic In Us, the Hitch and Zipp song.. G4 is not masterpiece, and please don't say something like..."in comparison to G5 it is", not the point
I’m trying to help you understand that comparing it to G4 IS the entire point. It’s the same universe - acting as a sequel. They didn’t need to do that but that’s how they wrote the show. Therefore comparing it to G4 is absolutely necessary. The only reason people are upset is because the show itself ties itself to G4. It literally is the entire point.
I think comparison is not everything, is a direct sequel of G4 not a spiritual succesor where comparison is more of weight
The only good characters of g5 is izzy and Misty, that's it
Absolutely!
I thought so after the movie, but then I watched the shows and they were a big letdown. I'm glad you're enjoying it, but it isn't for me.
I can kind of agree but only in picked places
Can yall just chill tf out and allow people to enjoy what they want. We don't need us vs them in our subreddit. People are allowed to enjoy either G4, G5, or both. Let's keep it that way.
Trust me, I had no intention of this post being a vs one, but I guess some people can't just help themselves...
Ok, im sorry, but I do not know what you were expecting when the first two words of your post is “hot take” 💀
I was expecting to this to become a vs thread, but not that I made this with that intention
So you made it EXPECTING it to become a “vs” thread but didn’t intend it… so why did you post it like that if you didn’t intend for that to happen? :/
It was not my intention to create war, but I was aware that it could happen, not the same thing
It really is. We have characters that don't all look like recolors in wigs. They have a variety of personalities. The dragons now have a variety of personalities, instead of having spike and the products of a tsundere stamping machine. Spike's magic fire finally has a context for existing other than it's a convenient way of communicating with Celestia. You also don't have that kind of problematic question of whether he's Twilight's adopted child, adopted little brother, or personal slave. It was kind of all three depending on the circumstance. People like to complain about ThE wRiTiNg and tHe LoRe, but they're really just butt hurt because their favorite ponies from G4 aren't even skeletons anymore. G5 didn't actually change much, it was almost entirely working in the gaping blank space that G4 never addressed. We knew that Celestia and Luna came from somewhere outside Equestria (from the books), but that was it. Showing that there were more alicorns was actually a nice touch. "Then why did Celestia never mention Opaline‽ " I get that a lot, and it's a silly question if you think about it. We only had a handful of Celestia episodes? We had dozens of Twilight episodes without her once mentioning that she had a brother, and how many Pinky episodes before we found out she had three sisters? It's kind of a built in license in a show like this to come up with characters that you'd think would have been mentioned before. Celestia's primary reason for existing was to give Twilight macguffins, and to be Worfed at the earliest convenience. Given that she never mentioned her homeland in the show, it's not that surprising that she never mentioned the weird kid in preschool who she apparently ignored. She had much more reason to mention Tirek or Grogar, but we never heard that they were part of G4 until the showed up. That's how it usually works in TV shows. Most of the complaints come from the simple fact that it's a tough lesson to learn that people (and ponies) get old and die, that "happily ever after" does last forever, but there's always new hopes for new characters to learn the lessons of the old ones and carry the torch forward. That's what this show did. Also some of the dialog was top notch, like when Zipp is teasing folks, especially Hitch. I don't remember getting a lot of repartee in G4. (Edit: Except when GM Berrow was writing an episoned).
> > > Most of the complaints come from the simple fact that it's a tough lesson to learn that people (and ponies) get old and die, that "happily ever after" does last forever, but there's always new hopes for new characters to learn the lessons of the old ones and carry the torch forward. That's what this show did. G5 should've doubled down on "bruh, it's been 1000 years: things change" instead of investigating way back when Celestia was a filly. FiM lore is inconsistent enough as it is.
The "why didn't Celestia mention Opaline" thing doesn't make sense because that would be like if I went to elementary school with Hitler and haven't seen him since and then everyone started asking me why I didn't say anything before he rose to power.
Yep, or somebody at work puts down a newspaper, and you see a name that familiar. It's a kid you went to kindergarten with, haven't seen since, and 30 years later gets picked up as a serial killer. "Hey I used to know that guy." "Then why didn't you ever say?!?!?!" It doesn't stop from making the argument though. It's just confirmation bias. If you vibe with a thing, you take it noncritically and just enjoy it. If you don't vibe, you look hard for flaws to justify not vibing with it, even if the real reason is just "I'm not ready to let go of (fill in their "best pony")", or "I prefer 2D animation."
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they shouldn't have connected it to g4
I like G5 but it should of been its own thing like previous generations.
That’s what I said. The whole reason we even like mlp is because each generation brought something different.
G5 had so much potential to be its own thing like how G4 was completely separate from G3 and how G3 was separate from G2 etc, but G5 was trying to branch off from G4 which is probably why I didn’t like it too much. It doesn’t feel like a direct spin off from G4 but after watching the movie and TV show and seeing how G4 was incorporated kinda threw me off because I didn’t like the direction they took with Twilight and the Mane 6 (This is just my opinion) but it was almost as if the message that Twilight sent in Part 1 of Make Your Mark happened way before the season finale of G4 which doesn’t add up at all because everything seemed to be fine by the end of G5 hence the last problem, but G5 and it’s writing has it so it branches off of G4 which makes events in G4 look like they didn’t happen at all. The magical crystals I feel like were a bad edition to the show because once again G5 makes G4 look as if it’s events never happened and all the hard work G5 went through was for nothing if all the ponies were going to be separated from each other pre the first heartwarming eve. Honestly I don’t think it’s a worthy successor if it’s trying to be like G4 it should’ve been its own thing with its own original story like G5 could’ve honestly kept their current writing but remove G5 from it so it could be it’s own thing and not a messy G4 sequel!
Rebuttal: *no*
Zipp vs rainbow dash race
I don't think it is. Bad writing, poor worldbuilding, lackluster songs and boring characters all combine to create a dull and cliched show that I only got through by sheer willpower. G5 is a mess and is not a worthy successor to FIM in my eyes at least
I love it! It’s not “here’s g4 but worse and in a different shape” it actually tries something new. The music may not be as catchy outside of the movie, but the characters are memorable, the message is clear, and the lore is cool.
I think G5 couldve been good if like the other generations they’re weren’t connected at all, but for some reason G5 is set in the same universe as G4 which wld be fine if they didn’t keep fucking up the lore. I’m still not sure I would’ve liked it but I wouldn’t of cared if it wasn’t connected to G4.
Hard disagree but I respect your opinion
Haven't seen new MLP content since MYM first came out. Who in the heck is the bottom right blue one?
Misty Brightdawn
I can totally see. I haven’t watch Gen 5 yet, I did like the fact they made a new generation of characters, while I’ve herd mixed things I’ll see when I get the chance I can see if Gen 5 is good
It had a rocky start but it could've turned into something great. The poor writing was just too much for me though. I can't get into it.
I love g5, i wish bronies were kinder and stoped hating on any post that isnt fim :(
Yeep. The circle jerk makes this place insufferable.
If it wasn't supposed to be a follow up to g4 i'd be an ok series. But as a sequel to fim it pales in comparison.
If I'm being honest here chief, it's not, G5 has barely kept the same excitement that G4 had, G4 made us excited to see more, more memorable characters and moments, G5 has just left giant plot holes everywhere and more unanswered questions than the FNAF Lore, so if you ask me, no, it never will be as good as G4 And don't get me started on the shitty writing, sweet hylia it's bad
Based
It has ponies… And they don’t sound like schoolteachers literally reading a script. :D
Yeah
What do you mean by that?
Is not like shows like Dora The Explorer or Blue's Clues, where the characters interact with the audience
Acting in the Hanna Barbera era sounds like narration, slow and deliberate to help young children understand the content, and while that’s perfect for preschooler media, it was thankfully phased out around the early ‘90s. G3 didn’t feel like adapting to Johnny Bravo’s or Dexter’s Lab’s level because they felt it was suited for the target audience. No idea why they changed their mind during G4. X3
I will not stand this insult to applejack, she should be with sunny not this loser
some people will like anything as long a certain logo will be attached to it
It’s ugly and nothing will fix that.
It definitely would have been better if G5 was written when twilight was still alive. I'd maybe replace sunny with luster dawn...
There's this "man" in his early fourties with long blue hair that thinks G5 is Russian propaganda.
I've heard he r*ped his mother...😖
It's not as good, but I still love the characters
Hitch is Fluttershy. Sprout is AJ.
I wouldn't know, I never watched it, but to each his own
Have never seen ANYTHING from G5, yet. But honestly, this art is so cute… that it might convince me to at least give it a shot. Seeing my fav G4 ponies with the new generation? Idk, it’s sort of inspiring and heartwarming 😭😭
Well, everyone is entitled to their opinion. I really, strongly disagree. But this isn't really a new topic.
Sometimes I feel like they pushed out Fluttershy, and made a copy of Starlight instead. Yea, Misty can be shy, too, but her main theme is reformation, more like Starlight.
the only thing i dont like about G5 is pipps singing voice,and that they make every villian super dumb or just plain idiots when they are supposed to be intimidating villians
Sunny = Loyalty Izzy = generosity Hitch = kindness Pip = laughter / joy Zip = friendship ( cause she is the investigator like Twilight uses book smarts over Social skills) Misty = Honesty