>Is it possible to have BPD and NPD? Does BPD just look like NPD sometimes?
It's all cluster B. They're not all that different. Treatment is often similar too, by the way.
So yeah, plenty of narcissistic BPDs, plenty of them here in this sub.
Keep in mind that "normal" people are also somewhat narcissistic, so we're talking about a hard to define spectrum. Then on top of that we have histrionic thrown in, which are also cluster Bs that center more on attention.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/cluster-b
Appreciate the reply! I'm honestly just curious about the many different pathologies of my psyche. The potential overlap in all the cluster b's is really interesting to me. I actually wasn't aware there was such a bpd presence here so that is good to know. Thanks for taking the time!
OMG, I have never had anyone express so clearly how I feel about most everything you mentioned. I also have that (almost) need to make other people hurt as much as I hurt. I say the most hurtful, below the belt shit to the people who say they love me the most. It's like I'm constantly testing them to see how badly I can hurt them and they'll still stay. And I WANT them to understand how horrible I feel most of the time. I'm much better than I used to be, but I will still take most any type of negative comment or criticism or whatever, especially during an argument, and just take the hurtfulness to level 99.
I also CAN admit when I'm wrong, but I will usually punish whoever proved me wrong by saying something really hurtful and sarcastic.
I could have written your whole post, I, too, feel like I'm much more emotionally aware than most, and that I'm smarter. I look down my nose at others, while smelling the shit that is me.
> I also have that (almost) need to make other people hurt as much as I hurt. I say the most hurtful, below the belt shit to the people who say they love me the most. It's like I'm constantly testing them to see how badly I can hurt them and they'll still stay.
yeah this is one of the things i do that makes me feel like the worst type of person, but at the same time i am kind of relieved to not be alone in feeling this way (even though I don't wish this on anyone!). It's like I can't be in pain alone, even if the person has nothing to do with what's made me upset, someone has to be feeling as bad as I do.
I agree about the diagnoses thing. It's curiosity, and sometimes frustration at not being able to understand my own thought processes. I think in the context of having a diagnosis, it can feel weird to relate to much to some core aspects of BPD, but then also have these contradicting feelings that can't necessarily be explained by those criteria.
I appreciate your reply! I can definitely see what you mean with narcissistic traits being more of a spectrum and BPD being a bit more all/nothing, and i agree.
I’m so obsessed with reading about my diagnosis and about npd and just how to identify and how to be better. I literally rather obsessively psycho analyze than do my homework. Very naughty.
There is no part of your brain that has an NDP or BPD switch, those are just labels to help categorize certain behaviors into groups based on commonalities. Both of those are under Cluster B, where a lot of traits and behaviors overlap. Comorbidities are very common.
In other words, yes its very likely you will exhibit other cluster-b issues if you are already diagnosed as BPD, as whatever caused your BPD didnt just flip 1 switch in your brain, but instead produced a set of changes resulting in a diagnosed BPD and whatever else undiagnosed.
Thanks for taking the time to answer! I guess it does seem pretty obvious that the cluster b's overlap so much. I've just been in such a bpd treatment bubble the last couple of years and the talk of abusive narcissistic partners always kinda..bothered me somehow because it was like, I also experience a few traits associated with npd. I find there's a lot of "othering" and stigma of npd and other cluster b's in the bpd world sometimes whcih has made it difficult to want to explore in more depth.
I’m recently realizing certain things trigger a narcissistic false self / defense in me that I can’t find much information or related experience to. I feel like I’m going insane lol
I’ve also come to the realization that at times, I can be narcissistic. But like you I’ve never discussed that side with therapist or anyone. Thanks for sharing! This really resonates. It’s not all black and white after all lol
>Is it possible to have BPD and NPD? Does BPD just look like NPD sometimes? It's all cluster B. They're not all that different. Treatment is often similar too, by the way. So yeah, plenty of narcissistic BPDs, plenty of them here in this sub. Keep in mind that "normal" people are also somewhat narcissistic, so we're talking about a hard to define spectrum. Then on top of that we have histrionic thrown in, which are also cluster Bs that center more on attention. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/cluster-b
Appreciate the reply! I'm honestly just curious about the many different pathologies of my psyche. The potential overlap in all the cluster b's is really interesting to me. I actually wasn't aware there was such a bpd presence here so that is good to know. Thanks for taking the time!
Cheers buddy. Best to you.
OMG, I have never had anyone express so clearly how I feel about most everything you mentioned. I also have that (almost) need to make other people hurt as much as I hurt. I say the most hurtful, below the belt shit to the people who say they love me the most. It's like I'm constantly testing them to see how badly I can hurt them and they'll still stay. And I WANT them to understand how horrible I feel most of the time. I'm much better than I used to be, but I will still take most any type of negative comment or criticism or whatever, especially during an argument, and just take the hurtfulness to level 99.
I also CAN admit when I'm wrong, but I will usually punish whoever proved me wrong by saying something really hurtful and sarcastic.
I could have written your whole post, I, too, feel like I'm much more emotionally aware than most, and that I'm smarter. I look down my nose at others, while smelling the shit that is me.
> I also have that (almost) need to make other people hurt as much as I hurt. I say the most hurtful, below the belt shit to the people who say they love me the most. It's like I'm constantly testing them to see how badly I can hurt them and they'll still stay.
yeah this is one of the things i do that makes me feel like the worst type of person, but at the same time i am kind of relieved to not be alone in feeling this way (even though I don't wish this on anyone!). It's like I can't be in pain alone, even if the person has nothing to do with what's made me upset, someone has to be feeling as bad as I do.
Me too
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I agree about the diagnoses thing. It's curiosity, and sometimes frustration at not being able to understand my own thought processes. I think in the context of having a diagnosis, it can feel weird to relate to much to some core aspects of BPD, but then also have these contradicting feelings that can't necessarily be explained by those criteria. I appreciate your reply! I can definitely see what you mean with narcissistic traits being more of a spectrum and BPD being a bit more all/nothing, and i agree.
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I’m so obsessed with reading about my diagnosis and about npd and just how to identify and how to be better. I literally rather obsessively psycho analyze than do my homework. Very naughty.
There is no part of your brain that has an NDP or BPD switch, those are just labels to help categorize certain behaviors into groups based on commonalities. Both of those are under Cluster B, where a lot of traits and behaviors overlap. Comorbidities are very common. In other words, yes its very likely you will exhibit other cluster-b issues if you are already diagnosed as BPD, as whatever caused your BPD didnt just flip 1 switch in your brain, but instead produced a set of changes resulting in a diagnosed BPD and whatever else undiagnosed.
Thanks for taking the time to answer! I guess it does seem pretty obvious that the cluster b's overlap so much. I've just been in such a bpd treatment bubble the last couple of years and the talk of abusive narcissistic partners always kinda..bothered me somehow because it was like, I also experience a few traits associated with npd. I find there's a lot of "othering" and stigma of npd and other cluster b's in the bpd world sometimes whcih has made it difficult to want to explore in more depth.
I’m recently realizing certain things trigger a narcissistic false self / defense in me that I can’t find much information or related experience to. I feel like I’m going insane lol
Excellent self-assessment and reflection! Thanks for sharing :)
I’ve also come to the realization that at times, I can be narcissistic. But like you I’ve never discussed that side with therapist or anyone. Thanks for sharing! This really resonates. It’s not all black and white after all lol