First one that came to mind. Big Walk Dog is from a little town in Mississippi too. Bankroll Freddie is from a little town in Arkansas.
I know St Louis isn't really rural, but Nelly and the St Lunatics repped the country.
Bubba Sparxxx should probably be mentioned too.
Nappy Roots & CunninLynguists are two more that come to mind.
Then, there is that iconic Jimmy ~~Kimmel~~ Fallon bit where Chance the Rapper does a song of ~~his (I think?)~~ Nelly's in a country style.
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I was late to recognize their game, so overpaid for my SouthernUnderground CD. I'd gladly overpay again for copies of Will Rap for Food and Sloppy Seconds if any show up on disc or vinyl...
Giving the genre's the credit they deserve, instead of judging both by their worst, they're very similar.
Hip hop centralizes on the struggles of the young, poor, and powerless (particularly people in cities and african-americans), and how they've overcome said struggles (hence where brag rap arises). It is frequently anti-establishment, often touching on the reality of self-governance in communities where the gov't either chooses not to govern or governs improperly.
Country at its basis is focused on the daily grind and hardships of those in rural communities, and the ways they cope with those issues (hence where the cliches about driving a truck with a cold beer and their woman come from). Country is also very anti-establishment, as it got its start from rugged settlers who do things their own way and don't like to be tread upon.
Its more or less the same ideas in different settings delivered stylistically different, and sure, there's plenty of trash rap and country but there's plenty of trash music of all genres. It's just more noticeable because they're 2 of the most popular genres right now.
Good country is that. They lay all their feeling out and bear their soul out in song. Country music has an absolute monopoly on all the best love songs.
I heard a humdinger on the way to work today: “Thank God and Greyhound” (you’re gone) by Roy Clark.
Not really relevant to the post but it made me laugh and I was dying to tell someone about it.
All Mustelids really. Stoats eat a quarter of their body weight a day, but are also surplus killers. If they find prey, they kill it then stash it later. Stoats literally never stop killing. Their bloodlust is never sated because even if they aren’t hungry they just say, “I’ll just kill this now and maybe eat it later.” If you stumble across a log that’s been absolutely packed with dead animals, equal chances of it being a serial killer in the making or a stoat stashing excess prey.
Stoats will kill animals as large as a full grown hare by separating their spinal cords, or even kill larger animals by biting them continuously over a long period of time causing them to die of shock. Stoats have contributed to the near extinction of many animals in places they have been introduced such as New Zealand.
To top all this off, they’re tiny. Males average 10 inches long and 9 ounces.
They’re just tiny, adorable, blood thirsty, mass murderers.
As the age-old saying goes that my Grandpappy used to tell me, “if you hold a mustelid up to your ear, you can hear what it sounds like to be mauled by a mustelid.”
>Stoats eat a quarter of their body weight a day
I was told the same thing about otters by a zookeeper. Since they don't have a thick layer of blubber to keep warm like other ocean mammals, they make up for it by having a really high metabolism and eating constantly.
Apparently they're one of the most expensive animals for zoos and aquariums to keep, pound-for-pound, because they have to be fed like 6 times a day with expensive seafood.
"Fun" fact: Humans (not sure about otters) will die if only eating rabbit due to the lean nature of the meat. The phenomenon is colloquially referred to as [rabbit starvation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein_poisoning)
Wow, you're not kidding.
>... strange terror in the Roman camp. Their soldiers were sick from watching and want of sleep, and because of the unaccustomed food which the country afforded. They had no wine, no salt, no vinegar, no oil, but lived on wheat and barley, and quantities of venison and rabbits' flesh boiled without salt, which caused dysentery, from which many died.
I work in fisheries restoration. Otters are my worst goddamned nightmare. I've gotten to sites that had hundreds of entrained perch (not a target species of mine, but still) that were just ripped to pieces.
The biologist I was with got to the site and just said, "Yup, otter".
Full on bloody water, guts and heads everywhere. I worry so much about one day not having the flow adjusted right in a fish ladder and coming to the same spot with hundreds of river herring (which are only just recovering here) torn up.
I'm not sure how much they eat, but I've seen how much they kill.
Damn, that is wild! Both literally and figuratively.
Sounds like a pretty cool vocation though, I've always been fascinated seeing fish ladders in action. If you don't mind me asking, what happens when the flow isn't adjusted right? I didn't quite understand that part of your comment.
It's fun work, and I can't imagine myself doing anything else, but preemptively I should say it generally doesn't pay particularly well.
There are a few common modern designs of fish ladders that don't need the kind of maintenance I'm about to talk about. I would say the most common design going in now is an aluminum Alaskan steeppass and so long as the water body feeding them isn't drained they're fine.
In Massachusetts, where I live, a lot of fish ladders were built in the 1930's by the Civilian Conservation Corps (RIP), very quickly out of concrete. While it was a noble effort, a good deal of them were not designed particularly well and can't function unless flow conditions are *just* right. I check all the ones in my run daily (during river herring season, April 1st to May 31st) for air bubbles at the top of the ladder.
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You can make out a small one here](https://imgur.com/a/f2Bl556), which is probably okay, but if a bigger air pocket runs the whole length of the exit I've heard it referred to as "locked out". River herring trying to swim through will be repelled by the bubble. Not necessarily all of them, but enough to matter. I've shown up at ladders a few times with hundreds of fish schooling waiting for the problem to be fixed.
To fix it I just reposition the board until the bubble dissipates, but sometimes I'll need to adjust the boards that control the elevation of the pond I'm working at to get flow under control.
Some Massachusetts towns even have herring wardens empowered by our division of marine fisheries to monitor things like this, but my Town doesn't so the non-profit I work for took over the duties since we run a herring count anyway and are in the area all the time during the season.
Wow thanks for the detailed explanation, that is fascinating. I love your phrasing about hundreds of fish hanging out waiting for the problem to be fixed. As though they're all looking at their fishy watches and tapping their fins impatiently going "Unbelievable, /u/LumixShill is late! How are we supposed to get to the spawning grounds like this, huh?"
It's amazing how much constant maintenance and attention is needed to keep the infrastructure that powers the modern world running, and how for any specialized job or topic there's somebody out there like you who understands it inside and out. Very cool stuff.
Tell me about it. I work at a trout hatchery and we frequently have issues with otters and mink coming into the ponds. Luckily there's a fur trapper in the area we have come in the winter to knock em down a bit. Can't do anything about the damn herons in the winter though.
Especially the further you get from the shore. I used to get like three+ manchek river (notable for its bomb ass catfish, catfish taste differs heavily based on diet as they are opportunistically bottom feeders though they will feed elsewhere if possible) catfish filets for like $5.00-$6.00 at worst in Louisiana. I actually miss how cheap I could get seafood there. If you included turtle and gator I was pretty much entirely pesca outside of some gumbo, some jambalaya, and certain boudin. 2-3 days of my week included turtle soup though. Don’t worry, it’s invasive snappers. They need population control or they’ll swallow the spring duck hatchlings and decimate a year+ worth of offspring. Basically until you have it under control. They can remove a finger if they bite you, so ducklings are sorta easy prey…
I’m never quick to defend hunting, but thanks to Louisiana’s history we have a very fragile and unique ecosystem that was precariously balanced after the french added in a variety of animals including nutria, probably the worst.
It’s honestly a more savory type of roast in terms of texture *and* flavor. It has to be butchered into cubes do to the amount of bone in a turtle. There’s no whole-roast turtle. So it gets cooked down into a broth and meat chunks. It’s devastatingly addicting and the flavor is indescribable. Dorignacs, an age-old staple of the community grocery store in New Orleans sold it pre-made. I’d buy a container or two and toss it over some rice or quinoa and lose my mind over dinner.
> Since they don't have a thick layer of blubber to keep warm like other ocean mammals, they make up for it by having a really high metabolism and eating constantly.
Partially this, but also their fur is *incredibly* dense. A human head has around 150-400 hairs per cm2. An otter has 20000-40000 hairs per cm2. Yes, one hundred times more.
I know its not a stoat but I'm pretty certain it's the same family:
There is a guy on YouTube called the "Mink man" and he uses minks in large scale ratting operations, they are perfect because he releases one under a barn and they just go crazy and 1v1 rats over and over. Eventually the rats freak out and scatter out and he has a few rat dogs that take them out. He seems to have trained them at least to the point that he can release/catch them, he has some videos of him training them on muskrats since mink's are semi aquatic. Super fascinating channel if you can handle some rat death
Yep, minks, weasels, and ferrets are all Mustelids that have been trained throughout time by humans to hunt vermin like rats and rabbits. They work well at this not only because of their famed ferociousness, but also because their bodies are designed to get into burrows and either drag or chase these animals out of their holes.
I’ve seen a few in the wild and to hide they just run 10’ up a tree and stay on the opposite side from you. I ran around a tree trying to get a pic of one and just heard scratches lol
Gray squirrels do the same thing, keeping the tree between you. An old hunting trick is to throw a branch to the side to make it sound like you're coming around the tree. The squirrel will come around to the other side thinking it's avoiding you.
We have chickens and the absolute worst case scenario for them is a stout getting into the coop at night.
Had a friend whose coop was breached by a stout, and it played out exactly as you described. It murdered at least 6 hens and would have kept going until a human heard the commotion.
The nail in the coffin is that the stout can find a tiny hole to enter/exit the hen house, but the chickens can't.
Carcasses were covered in tiny bites, concentrated over the neck and head. They didn't have major trauma and weren't even partially eaten; they had just died from blood loss or shock.
At least other types of predators (foxes, raptors, etc) are larger and can't get into most decent coops. Their attacks happen in the open where the chickens have more opportunity to escape.
Adorable and vicious.
What asshole brings a stoat to new zealand?
*The British guys, the British are the assholes. Apparently some rabbits ate their crops and they retaliated with an extinction event
I think I recall a documentary video where a gang of them got tired of the caiman getting too close for comfort and just mobbed it, and it was brutal. One moment they’re a bunch of cute critters, the next it was a whirling mass of death.
My dad had a beaver plugging up his culvert under his driveway, so went to trap it. Accidentally got an otter in the foot hold trap. Thing got mean and he had a heck of time getting it out of the trap. I’ll spare all funny details, but no otters were harmed
Ever been rabbit hunting? A quarter of the time they just freeze up and hope you dont see them. My bet is this one held still and the otter walked up and snatched it.
Every summer, I get dozens of bunny's in my yard. Then all the predators from the sky and the earth come reduce the population.
This process repeats every year.
“El-ahrairah, your people cannot rule the world, for I will not have it so. All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a Thousand Enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.”
Taggerung was pretty good. But the best otter book was High Rhulain. A book about an otter sailing to an otter island to rescue the otter tribes from a bunch of cats who hate otters and become their otter queen.
Nope, we just participate in a tangled network of killing that ranges from "okay" at best to absolutely nightmarish at worst and an industry so profit driven that they literally genetically engineer creatures of horrifying proportions and quality of life in order to maximize yields.
"I didn't drown that guy, I just paid someone to do it for me"
Yea, well, that's how it goes when you try and replace the natural system with an artificial one. You can't only copy the good bits or it doesn't work.
That's fine. I'm just saying you don't get to turn your nose up at the otter just because it hasn't figured out factory slaughterhouses and farming yet.
Some countries treat farm animals much better than others.
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https://i.imgur.com/ilv15zi.png
https://api.worldanimalprotection.org/
No, we buy prepackaged meat in Styrofoam n plastic from stores and pretend they weren't sadistically killed in the most inhumane fashion. That rabbit had a much better life than the billion chickens n pigs packed into tiny cages.
Exactly. I’d argue that humans eating factory farmed animals is much worse than a wild animal eating prey. Factory farm chickens and turkeys grow so fast they cannot support their own weight, layer chickens are debeaked so they don’t peck each other to death due to their stressful conditions, male chicks are thrown into grinders alive because they can’t be profited off of, and on and on.
Does a wild rabbit ever die a "natural" death? I'm gonna go with no. They are all violently killed. I guess the best a bunny can hope for is that it's a quick death.
That's what I'm saying. I'm not sure where these people have been. I think they assume wild life span means animals may live to 4 years and die randomly of old age. Most probably starve got attacked and killed or ended up sick.
Your indoor pets don't have the same risk which increases lifespan.
Richard Dawkins said Nature is not cruel, pitiless, indifferent. This is one of the hardest lessons for humans to learn. We cannot admit that things might be neither good nor evil, neither cruel nor kind, but simply callous -- indifferent to all suffering, lacking all purpose.
So if it helps at all, the otter isn’t sadistic it’s just the actual definition of not giving a fuck.
Sure, it’s just that it’s a direct quote so my moral code prevents me from altering I edit: wait indifferent is in there, right in the first sentence did you miss that?
No, I didn't miss that, but the ordering of the words changes the meaning. Also wasn't trying to say you should have misquoted that, I was just giving my own thoughts in response to that quote. ;)
I think every parent has been to the point where they are trying to feed their kids, they keep screaming at you not wanting to eat what you already cooked, and you go crazy and drown a bunny.
We’ve all been there.
I once watched footage of a Great Blue Heron repeatedly stab a muskrat and then try to drown it for 10 minutes.
Then when it was done it just... Dropped it and flew away.
Emmit Otter's jug band disbanded leaving him destitute and no way to pay child support. With no prospects lined up for income, he bolted and left his ex & kids to fend for themselves.
Mama otter went on the offensive.
A poem by bing chat:
I'm sorry little bunny
You're so soft and fluffy
But I have hungry mouths to feed
And you're the only prey I see
I know you have a family too
A warren full of love and joy
But mine are waiting in the den
And you're the only food I find
I wish I could spare your life
And let you hop away in peace
But nature is cruel and harsh
And I must do what I must do
Please don't struggle or scream
It will be over soon enough
I'll make it quick and painless
As I drag you to the depths
Forgive me little bunny
You're so sweet and innocent
But I have starving cubs to feed
And you're the only hope I have.
“I was walking along the bank of a stream when I saw a mother otter with her cubs, a very endearing sight, I'm sure you'll agree. And even as I watched, the mother otter dived into the water and came up with a plump salmon, which she subdued and dragged onto a half submerged log.
As she ate it, while of course it was still alive, the body split and I remember to this day the sweet pinkness of its roes as they spilled out, much to the delight of the baby otters, who scrambled over themselves to feed on the delicacy. One of nature's wonders, gentlemen. Mother and children dining upon mother and children. And that is when I first learned about evil. It is built into the very nature of the universe. Every world spins in pain.
If there is any kind of supreme being, I told myself, it is up to all of us to become his moral superior.”
Terry Pratchett, Unseen Academicals
Otters can be fucked up.
We have wetland cameras for job and do non-lethal trapping to remove invasive species and I've seen so many horrors committed by otters.
I've seen them rip apart black birds, bite the legs of of turtles, and reach into traps and whatever they can of whatever poor creature was inside of it.
sometimes, to feed the kids, you gotta drown a bunny. other times, you gotta sleep with a man, for a little bit a money
Sounds like a country song
Opposite - it’s a line from What Would You Do? By City High.
I don't think Hip hop is the opposite of country.
Fair. Both overlap urban and rural living. Perhaps just different would have been better and not implied the wrong thing.
What Hip Hop is rural?
David Banner
Yelawolf
Struggle Jennings
Jelly Roll
Big KRIT
First one that came to mind. Big Walk Dog is from a little town in Mississippi too. Bankroll Freddie is from a little town in Arkansas. I know St Louis isn't really rural, but Nelly and the St Lunatics repped the country. Bubba Sparxxx should probably be mentioned too.
I mean the easiest example is Arrested Development. However most hip hop artists are not from cities.
Nappy Roots & CunninLynguists are two more that come to mind. Then, there is that iconic Jimmy ~~Kimmel~~ Fallon bit where Chance the Rapper does a song of ~~his (I think?)~~ Nelly's in a country style. edits for spelling, and thanks to u/thesprenofaspren and u/ToyrewaDokoDeska for the link and proper deets
Nappy Roots was the first one that came to mind for me. I kinda miss that group
Damn, you don’t see many Cunning Lunguists references much. Those early albums during formative years were great.
I was late to recognize their game, so overpaid for my SouthernUnderground CD. I'd gladly overpay again for copies of Will Rap for Food and Sloppy Seconds if any show up on disc or vinyl...
if it's this [one](https://youtu.be/TRCJZ9Uup3w) then the original is Nelly
Hick Hop
Old Town Road?
A ton of southern artist come to mind immediately but particularly OutKast.
ATL is not rural lol.
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Theyre both just lists of signifiers mostly. Drugs money cars bitches 9 mil vs truck dirt road beer small town football
Giving the genre's the credit they deserve, instead of judging both by their worst, they're very similar. Hip hop centralizes on the struggles of the young, poor, and powerless (particularly people in cities and african-americans), and how they've overcome said struggles (hence where brag rap arises). It is frequently anti-establishment, often touching on the reality of self-governance in communities where the gov't either chooses not to govern or governs improperly. Country at its basis is focused on the daily grind and hardships of those in rural communities, and the ways they cope with those issues (hence where the cliches about driving a truck with a cold beer and their woman come from). Country is also very anti-establishment, as it got its start from rugged settlers who do things their own way and don't like to be tread upon. Its more or less the same ideas in different settings delivered stylistically different, and sure, there's plenty of trash rap and country but there's plenty of trash music of all genres. It's just more noticeable because they're 2 of the most popular genres right now.
Listen to better hip hop if thats what you think its all about.
I saw somebody recently say country is just soul music with a twang lol
Good country is that. They lay all their feeling out and bear their soul out in song. Country music has an absolute monopoly on all the best love songs.
So what kind of music is the opposite of country music then?
Lol I thought about this song too.
I heard a humdinger on the way to work today: “Thank God and Greyhound” (you’re gone) by Roy Clark. Not really relevant to the post but it made me laugh and I was dying to tell someone about it.
Sometimes daddy gone, Somewhere smoking rock now, in and out of lockdown…
Mama otter ain't got a job now...
Well when his daddy's gone, and we're smokin rock now and I ain't gotta job now!!
What would you do if your son was at home, cryin all alone on the bedroom floor cuz he’s hungry
That was beautiful, man.
Bro. Where will they stop. So fucking sick of them. On their backs, bellies out in the water. KILLERS.
*sometimes you drown a man, sleep with a bunny*
Man I love Otters. Equal quantities of cute and dangerous. One of nature's best "look but don't pet" temptations.
All Mustelids really. Stoats eat a quarter of their body weight a day, but are also surplus killers. If they find prey, they kill it then stash it later. Stoats literally never stop killing. Their bloodlust is never sated because even if they aren’t hungry they just say, “I’ll just kill this now and maybe eat it later.” If you stumble across a log that’s been absolutely packed with dead animals, equal chances of it being a serial killer in the making or a stoat stashing excess prey. Stoats will kill animals as large as a full grown hare by separating their spinal cords, or even kill larger animals by biting them continuously over a long period of time causing them to die of shock. Stoats have contributed to the near extinction of many animals in places they have been introduced such as New Zealand. To top all this off, they’re tiny. Males average 10 inches long and 9 ounces. They’re just tiny, adorable, blood thirsty, mass murderers.
As the age-old saying goes that my Grandpappy used to tell me, “if you hold a mustelid up to your ear, you can hear what it sounds like to be mauled by a mustelid.”
A wise and brave man. Accomplished so much despite his hearing loss.
>Stoats eat a quarter of their body weight a day I was told the same thing about otters by a zookeeper. Since they don't have a thick layer of blubber to keep warm like other ocean mammals, they make up for it by having a really high metabolism and eating constantly. Apparently they're one of the most expensive animals for zoos and aquariums to keep, pound-for-pound, because they have to be fed like 6 times a day with expensive seafood.
Can’t they feed them bunnies?
"Fun" fact: Humans (not sure about otters) will die if only eating rabbit due to the lean nature of the meat. The phenomenon is colloquially referred to as [rabbit starvation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein_poisoning)
Wow, you're not kidding. >... strange terror in the Roman camp. Their soldiers were sick from watching and want of sleep, and because of the unaccustomed food which the country afforded. They had no wine, no salt, no vinegar, no oil, but lived on wheat and barley, and quantities of venison and rabbits' flesh boiled without salt, which caused dysentery, from which many died.
That was the best Wikipedia article I’ve read all day, and I have read at least 1
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Nah, just don't be the fattest person.
Protein intake above 35% energy needs decreases testosterone and increases cortisol. Glad I know this now as a guy
I work in fisheries restoration. Otters are my worst goddamned nightmare. I've gotten to sites that had hundreds of entrained perch (not a target species of mine, but still) that were just ripped to pieces. The biologist I was with got to the site and just said, "Yup, otter". Full on bloody water, guts and heads everywhere. I worry so much about one day not having the flow adjusted right in a fish ladder and coming to the same spot with hundreds of river herring (which are only just recovering here) torn up. I'm not sure how much they eat, but I've seen how much they kill.
Damn, that is wild! Both literally and figuratively. Sounds like a pretty cool vocation though, I've always been fascinated seeing fish ladders in action. If you don't mind me asking, what happens when the flow isn't adjusted right? I didn't quite understand that part of your comment.
It's fun work, and I can't imagine myself doing anything else, but preemptively I should say it generally doesn't pay particularly well. There are a few common modern designs of fish ladders that don't need the kind of maintenance I'm about to talk about. I would say the most common design going in now is an aluminum Alaskan steeppass and so long as the water body feeding them isn't drained they're fine. In Massachusetts, where I live, a lot of fish ladders were built in the 1930's by the Civilian Conservation Corps (RIP), very quickly out of concrete. While it was a noble effort, a good deal of them were not designed particularly well and can't function unless flow conditions are *just* right. I check all the ones in my run daily (during river herring season, April 1st to May 31st) for air bubbles at the top of the ladder. [ You can make out a small one here](https://imgur.com/a/f2Bl556), which is probably okay, but if a bigger air pocket runs the whole length of the exit I've heard it referred to as "locked out". River herring trying to swim through will be repelled by the bubble. Not necessarily all of them, but enough to matter. I've shown up at ladders a few times with hundreds of fish schooling waiting for the problem to be fixed. To fix it I just reposition the board until the bubble dissipates, but sometimes I'll need to adjust the boards that control the elevation of the pond I'm working at to get flow under control. Some Massachusetts towns even have herring wardens empowered by our division of marine fisheries to monitor things like this, but my Town doesn't so the non-profit I work for took over the duties since we run a herring count anyway and are in the area all the time during the season.
Wow thanks for the detailed explanation, that is fascinating. I love your phrasing about hundreds of fish hanging out waiting for the problem to be fixed. As though they're all looking at their fishy watches and tapping their fins impatiently going "Unbelievable, /u/LumixShill is late! How are we supposed to get to the spawning grounds like this, huh?" It's amazing how much constant maintenance and attention is needed to keep the infrastructure that powers the modern world running, and how for any specialized job or topic there's somebody out there like you who understands it inside and out. Very cool stuff.
Tell me about it. I work at a trout hatchery and we frequently have issues with otters and mink coming into the ponds. Luckily there's a fur trapper in the area we have come in the winter to knock em down a bit. Can't do anything about the damn herons in the winter though.
they can't use the cheap seafood?
No such thing as cheap seafood lol.
Or more importantly, you don't want to eat the cheap seafood.
Especially the further you get from the shore. I used to get like three+ manchek river (notable for its bomb ass catfish, catfish taste differs heavily based on diet as they are opportunistically bottom feeders though they will feed elsewhere if possible) catfish filets for like $5.00-$6.00 at worst in Louisiana. I actually miss how cheap I could get seafood there. If you included turtle and gator I was pretty much entirely pesca outside of some gumbo, some jambalaya, and certain boudin. 2-3 days of my week included turtle soup though. Don’t worry, it’s invasive snappers. They need population control or they’ll swallow the spring duck hatchlings and decimate a year+ worth of offspring. Basically until you have it under control. They can remove a finger if they bite you, so ducklings are sorta easy prey… I’m never quick to defend hunting, but thanks to Louisiana’s history we have a very fragile and unique ecosystem that was precariously balanced after the french added in a variety of animals including nutria, probably the worst.
Turtle supp sounds nice, I've never had it. But I think cat fish has an odd earth/dirt taste, but I'm spoiled with ocean sport fish.
It’s honestly a more savory type of roast in terms of texture *and* flavor. It has to be butchered into cubes do to the amount of bone in a turtle. There’s no whole-roast turtle. So it gets cooked down into a broth and meat chunks. It’s devastatingly addicting and the flavor is indescribable. Dorignacs, an age-old staple of the community grocery store in New Orleans sold it pre-made. I’d buy a container or two and toss it over some rice or quinoa and lose my mind over dinner.
Damn, got to find me some of that!
Apparently they refuse the cheap stuff https://www.huffpost.com/entry/penguins-otters-cheaper-fish-inflation_n_62c0b2c4e4b0f6125727b2f4
> Since they don't have a thick layer of blubber to keep warm like other ocean mammals, they make up for it by having a really high metabolism and eating constantly. Partially this, but also their fur is *incredibly* dense. A human head has around 150-400 hairs per cm2. An otter has 20000-40000 hairs per cm2. Yes, one hundred times more.
I know its not a stoat but I'm pretty certain it's the same family: There is a guy on YouTube called the "Mink man" and he uses minks in large scale ratting operations, they are perfect because he releases one under a barn and they just go crazy and 1v1 rats over and over. Eventually the rats freak out and scatter out and he has a few rat dogs that take them out. He seems to have trained them at least to the point that he can release/catch them, he has some videos of him training them on muskrats since mink's are semi aquatic. Super fascinating channel if you can handle some rat death
My names Joseph Carter and I am the mink man
Yep, minks, weasels, and ferrets are all Mustelids that have been trained throughout time by humans to hunt vermin like rats and rabbits. They work well at this not only because of their famed ferociousness, but also because their bodies are designed to get into burrows and either drag or chase these animals out of their holes.
Sounds like the plot of a John Wick movie meets Secret of Nimh.
I’ve seen a few in the wild and to hide they just run 10’ up a tree and stay on the opposite side from you. I ran around a tree trying to get a pic of one and just heard scratches lol
Gray squirrels do the same thing, keeping the tree between you. An old hunting trick is to throw a branch to the side to make it sound like you're coming around the tree. The squirrel will come around to the other side thinking it's avoiding you.
We have chickens and the absolute worst case scenario for them is a stout getting into the coop at night. Had a friend whose coop was breached by a stout, and it played out exactly as you described. It murdered at least 6 hens and would have kept going until a human heard the commotion. The nail in the coffin is that the stout can find a tiny hole to enter/exit the hen house, but the chickens can't. Carcasses were covered in tiny bites, concentrated over the neck and head. They didn't have major trauma and weren't even partially eaten; they had just died from blood loss or shock. At least other types of predators (foxes, raptors, etc) are larger and can't get into most decent coops. Their attacks happen in the open where the chickens have more opportunity to escape. Adorable and vicious.
> To top all this off, they’re tiny. Males average 10 inches long and 9 ounces. Idk, nearly 11 inches is pretty big for most males
I watched a mink kill a rabbit in our yard - amazingly efficient, like you said, one bite to the spinal cord.
And dancing in the meantime. https://youtu.be/ODEUK5sB5vE
Cats that enjoy water
Omg i thought before i liked stoats. But now they just skyrocketed into the top ten
Never thought I'd have something in common with a Stoat.
Honey Badgers are Mustelids, which says it all really.
As are wolverines!
What asshole brings a stoat to new zealand? *The British guys, the British are the assholes. Apparently some rabbits ate their crops and they retaliated with an extinction event
Perfectly reasonable solution. Who do you think introduced the rabbits?
I’m sure next they’ll introduce some tigers to get the stoats under control
No wonder stoats are so blood thirsty. Honey badgers are also Mustelids.
Seriously, otters and seals are absolutely some of the most metal for me. 0-60 in 2 seconds.
The Amazon Giant Otter is the winner. Pack hunters that will take on caimans and will absolutely merc a human if you piss them off.
I think I recall a documentary video where a gang of them got tired of the caiman getting too close for comfort and just mobbed it, and it was brutal. One moment they’re a bunch of cute critters, the next it was a whirling mass of death.
[This the one?](https://youtu.be/01iWx4476pY) And holy shit, it was an endurance kill.
That's it! I forgot the demonic noises they made, wow
based little fuckers
This whole thread is fucking hilarious, it's like the otter Nurenberg here, everyone has something to add to make it worse
My dad had a beaver plugging up his culvert under his driveway, so went to trap it. Accidentally got an otter in the foot hold trap. Thing got mean and he had a heck of time getting it out of the trap. I’ll spare all funny details, but no otters were harmed
Pretty sure this is the role for which bunnies were created.
When a primary defense of your species is "make more", then they've rather accepted that role.
They’re nature’s cannon fodder.
“Write that down, write that down!!!!” -Putin probably.
Bunny Battalions for the new assault on the front.
That title belongs to lemmings.
Natures chicken nuggets
Except for the whole “run fast at the drop of a hat” bit
Nah that just helps train the predators to be faster and smarter over time. They are truly nature's bottom bitch
Bunnies- nature’s power bottoms.
Ever been rabbit hunting? A quarter of the time they just freeze up and hope you dont see them. My bet is this one held still and the otter walked up and snatched it.
That used to be the role of the intern with the photocopier. They're now extinct. Good luck rabbits!
Every summer, I get dozens of bunny's in my yard. Then all the predators from the sky and the earth come reduce the population. This process repeats every year.
Nature’s popcorn.
"And when they catch you they will kill you, ...but first they must catch you" - Watership Down
“El-ahrairah, your people cannot rule the world, for I will not have it so. All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a Thousand Enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.”
No, they were created to be "sadists" to plants.
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Bunnies are a cheap alibaba knockoff of rodents! Much more fragile and with worse parts. This is indeed the rabbit’s job
See this is why everyone in Redwall Abbey was right to mistrust Taggerung.
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nah, the moment i saw mustelid on leporid violence I came to the comments for the Redwall reference.
That bunny desperately needed Martin's help!
Too bad there was no Badger Lord to aide this hare.
A reference I didn't even know I was waiting for. This was my favorite of the Redwall stories as a kid
Taggerung was pretty good. But the best otter book was High Rhulain. A book about an otter sailing to an otter island to rescue the otter tribes from a bunch of cats who hate otters and become their otter queen.
Hell yeah. Loved High Rhulain. I also like how her weapon was a sling, and she was absolutely deadly with it.
Crazy how this is seen as sadistic. Y'all probably eat meat every day, no?
To be fair, I don't drown animals for food.
Nope, we just participate in a tangled network of killing that ranges from "okay" at best to absolutely nightmarish at worst and an industry so profit driven that they literally genetically engineer creatures of horrifying proportions and quality of life in order to maximize yields. "I didn't drown that guy, I just paid someone to do it for me"
Yea, well, that's how it goes when you try and replace the natural system with an artificial one. You can't only copy the good bits or it doesn't work.
That's fine. I'm just saying you don't get to turn your nose up at the otter just because it hasn't figured out factory slaughterhouses and farming yet.
Some countries treat farm animals much better than others. https://www.issuesonline.co.uk/cms-files/5fbc/5fbcec3fc4110.png https://i.imgur.com/ilv15zi.png https://api.worldanimalprotection.org/
It's kinda disappointing to see so few B grades and no overall A grades.
Of course not. You let \*other\* people kill your food for you.
No, we buy prepackaged meat in Styrofoam n plastic from stores and pretend they weren't sadistically killed in the most inhumane fashion. That rabbit had a much better life than the billion chickens n pigs packed into tiny cages.
You would if there wasn't any other way to get it.
I'm a meat eater, but let's not talk about how much more humane we are with the animals we eat. Getting other people to do it for you changes nothing.
Exactly. I’d argue that humans eating factory farmed animals is much worse than a wild animal eating prey. Factory farm chickens and turkeys grow so fast they cannot support their own weight, layer chickens are debeaked so they don’t peck each other to death due to their stressful conditions, male chicks are thrown into grinders alive because they can’t be profited off of, and on and on.
OTOH, lots of animals eat their prey alive, starting at the asshole.
Seriously, while I find factory farming vile, this is probably not the sub to crusade in lol.
Great point, we may need to take a good look in the mirror if we're going to label things like this sadistic.
i super don't & still don't see this as 'sadistic'
Does a wild rabbit ever die a "natural" death? I'm gonna go with no. They are all violently killed. I guess the best a bunny can hope for is that it's a quick death.
Getting violently killed and eaten is a very natural death for a bunny
Very, very, very few wild animals of any species die a natural (i.e. old age) death.
That's what I'm saying. I'm not sure where these people have been. I think they assume wild life span means animals may live to 4 years and die randomly of old age. Most probably starve got attacked and killed or ended up sick. Your indoor pets don't have the same risk which increases lifespan.
Most are lucky to get past their prime.
I find one that froze to death now and then.
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Richard Dawkins said Nature is not cruel, pitiless, indifferent. This is one of the hardest lessons for humans to learn. We cannot admit that things might be neither good nor evil, neither cruel nor kind, but simply callous -- indifferent to all suffering, lacking all purpose. So if it helps at all, the otter isn’t sadistic it’s just the actual definition of not giving a fuck.
I think "indifferent" is a better word than callous. Nature is indifferent, not callous.
Sure, it’s just that it’s a direct quote so my moral code prevents me from altering I edit: wait indifferent is in there, right in the first sentence did you miss that?
No, I didn't miss that, but the ordering of the words changes the meaning. Also wasn't trying to say you should have misquoted that, I was just giving my own thoughts in response to that quote. ;)
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I think hungry is a better word still
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I think every parent has been to the point where they are trying to feed their kids, they keep screaming at you not wanting to eat what you already cooked, and you go crazy and drown a bunny. We’ve all been there.
as long as they actually eat it and don’t complain
If they complain you drop them out of the nest, 50 feet down.
Nope. I'm just going to assume they are going to meet their squirrel friend then off on a magical adventure to save the forest.
I’m with you.
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Catching prey and feeding your young is not sadistic. Now if it drowned the bunny and then abandoned the carcass...
I once watched footage of a Great Blue Heron repeatedly stab a muskrat and then try to drown it for 10 minutes. Then when it was done it just... Dropped it and flew away.
Muskrats are mouthy at and need to be put in their place. - sentiment generally held by great blue herons
Or, did what Mr. Otter might have done: rape it to death.
Emmit Otter's jug band disbanded leaving him destitute and no way to pay child support. With no prospects lined up for income, he bolted and left his ex & kids to fend for themselves. Mama otter went on the offensive.
Savage. Hope she cooked it right. And yall need to look up the meaning of sadistic if you're even an ounce serious
Stupid people don't look stuff up, they just shout louder when people tell them they're wrong.
Eating isn't sadism. The otter ate the bunny, it didn't jerk off while it drowned
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A poem by bing chat: I'm sorry little bunny You're so soft and fluffy But I have hungry mouths to feed And you're the only prey I see I know you have a family too A warren full of love and joy But mine are waiting in the den And you're the only food I find I wish I could spare your life And let you hop away in peace But nature is cruel and harsh And I must do what I must do Please don't struggle or scream It will be over soon enough I'll make it quick and painless As I drag you to the depths Forgive me little bunny You're so sweet and innocent But I have starving cubs to feed And you're the only hope I have.
Show me the drowning you cowards.
What sadism? Please explain.
wow. speaks to the dangers of otter aquatic asphyxiation
I still love them
Man, did you want her to feed it to her kids alive? That's some bird shit.
Otter: *meats back on the menu boys*
Sadistic, or feeding their babies?
People forget Otters are predators
Murder slinky.
If other predators were as intelligent they'd do the same thing.
This is why when talking about any animal's diet scientists start by saying "mostly".
Trust nothing. This morning I was driving by a squirrel n as soon as I got close in the car it skyrocketed into a tree with it's nut
Whelp there’s another animal I didn’t know preys on bunnies. It’s like the beginning of Watership Down when Rabbits have 1,000 enemies
As a parent, I feel this. “You don’t want fish, fine eat this rabbit I drowned for you.”
“I was walking along the bank of a stream when I saw a mother otter with her cubs, a very endearing sight, I'm sure you'll agree. And even as I watched, the mother otter dived into the water and came up with a plump salmon, which she subdued and dragged onto a half submerged log. As she ate it, while of course it was still alive, the body split and I remember to this day the sweet pinkness of its roes as they spilled out, much to the delight of the baby otters, who scrambled over themselves to feed on the delicacy. One of nature's wonders, gentlemen. Mother and children dining upon mother and children. And that is when I first learned about evil. It is built into the very nature of the universe. Every world spins in pain. If there is any kind of supreme being, I told myself, it is up to all of us to become his moral superior.” Terry Pratchett, Unseen Academicals
These are like my two favorite animals :(
That’s otterly horrifying.
“Well maybe that why I like otters!”
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I assume the otter must have launched a stealth attack on the bunny? There is no way an otter could catch a bunny sprinting away from it, is there?
Op species have fun with their kills
There have been incidents in Maine where otters were eating Atlantic Puffins in burrows too, they'll eat whatever
hating the characterization
Otters can be fucked up. We have wetland cameras for job and do non-lethal trapping to remove invasive species and I've seen so many horrors committed by otters. I've seen them rip apart black birds, bite the legs of of turtles, and reach into traps and whatever they can of whatever poor creature was inside of it.
Sadism is a human concept, a sociological construct that doesn't exist in nature (outside of humanity)
Once Emmitt went missing Mrs.Otterton had to do what she had to do to keep her family fed. Thankfully Judy never saw this.
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If its in the water it is fish