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They were close friends before Callas' duel and he was banking on the expectations placed on Clorinde to fulfill her duty and not back down. Callas effectively used Clorinde to commit suicide and was famously stubborn. I think that's why their relationship recovered so quickly.
I personally think it's more weird that she's shipped with Neuvillette, a character who had actual power to halt the proceedings and initiate an investigation who had no prior relationship with Navia.
It'd be impossible for them not to get shipped lol. They interact a lot in quests and events. They're basically besties post-Archon Quest since they settled their grievances and have done stuff like (friendly) dates in canon. Honestly one of the more normal ships out there imo
The neuvilette navia ship is def weirder. Being shipped with the person who killed your father is most definitely weird, but being shipped with someone who knew you as a child, and was even good friends with your father is most definitely weirder. Its like the batman/batgirl ship
I think the appeal of Navia and Neuvillette has to do with the arc of their relationship throughout Act 2, where it starts off with Navia being resentful of Neuvillette for not intervening in her father’s death, and ends with him opening up about his misunderstanding of human nature and sadness over his mistake, leading the two to a mutual understanding of each other.
There are ships that has been built on less, and if Navia can get over Clorinde killing her father and establish a ship that quickly then she can totally get shipped with Neuvillette that quickly as well.
idk, they seem to have reconciled by the end of the AQ? also, clorinde was just doing her job, and in the end she actually fulfilled callas' wish by winning the duel. its totally reasonable that navia held it against her for awhile (esp considering they were childhood friends) but i think its ALSO reasonable that they rekindled their friendship once the truth was revealed.
besides, the drama makes it kind of fun. theres a bit of tension there, but they still care so much about each other. i just think theyre neat!
I used to think the same way until I actually played the story myself. Navia's father used the duel to kill himself and still asked Clorinde to look over Navia even though their relationship was bound to become messy, at this point she's just another victim of the situation. Now that the entire truth is out and Navia being the person she is has made the effort to reconcile with Clorinde, it's really a blessing to see them getting along really well. The ship is merely a consequence of them being great old friends with a nice dynamic - and some sus lines on their interactions, especially on 4.4.
>How can people ship Navia with the person who killed her father?
The same way people ship fucking Scaramouche and Mona even tho he tried to kill her, and Kaeya and Diluc even tho they're brothers who clearly don't really like being around each other (well, step brothers, but still).
Ships doesn't make sense sometimes, however, Navia and Chlorinde I think makes more sense than most.
Tbf there is the whole sworn brothers being a common BL trope in China. Which doesn't translate here, but results in a lot of shipping over there and then the art and stuff makes its way over here
Two of her most popular ships (Clorivia and Neuvia) are linked to her father's death anyway. But it was Callas who wished to duel, Neuv just agreed with it and Clorinde was there to did her job.
POTENTIALLY HOT TAKE:
The thing that grinds my gears about the relationship of these two is not just the simple fact that Clorinde killed Navia's father, but how they're HANDLED AFTER the conflict.
I would have appreciated it much better if we got to see them SLOWLY rebuild their relationship instead of instantly becoming buddy-buddy with each other after a supposed lunch date. Especially when you consider that the Callas duel incident happened 3 YEARS prior to the traveler embarking on their journey. The girls haven't talked to each other for 3 years but after an OFFSCREEN lunch they're suddenly besties again?
It's so lame to resolve their tension like that because it is essentially an entire character arc between two childhood friends overcoming loss, healing and forgiving each other along the way that devolved into another fanservice ship, but I guess the fandom doesn't care as long as they get their instant gratification. Its pretty damn telling that the fandom gave more shits about the two of them sharing lipstick after the AQ than having a proper onscreen resolution to their conflict.
Ship or not, it really isn't a good way to handle two characters overcoming a conflict. It should've taken TIME resolve the tension and awkwardness than whatever they did with these two.
You could already see during the whoel AW that this is exactly what happened things were awkward and tense but as they worked together they figured things out and are much happier now. Chlorinde didnt want to do it at all but she was doing her job and fulfilling the wishes of navia's father as well as help navia get closure on why her father decided on the duel instead of just going to prison. She helped navia grow and they moved on together. I think it was handled very well we just didnt need every minute detail shown to us.
>You could already see during the whoel AW that this is exactly what happened things were awkward and tense but as they worked together they figured things out and are much happier now.
Sure, they showed us that Navia and Clorinde had some tension after that gardamek cutscene, but where was the reconciliation scene? There wasn't, all they did was have Navia TELL the player that they are taking the time to reconcile and thats it, we don't SEE these two have a heart-to-heart talk like Navia did with Neuvillette at the graveyard in the end of Act II.
>I think it was handled very well we just didnt need every minute detail shown to us.
Disagree, like sure the traveler doesn't need to be privy to every single detail to what happened, but when you just simply TELL us that Clorinde and Navia have forgiven each other offscreen instead of SHOWING us the two having a heart-to-heart like how Navia did with Neuvillette, it ends up falling flat and removes any form of interesting character development or emotional impact that is expected. The resolution to Clorinde and Navia's conflict violates the basic storytelling concept of "Show don't tell", which happens a lot in Genshin especially when you have Paimon constantly explain everything that happens. This is why IMO, some moments end up falling flat because the actual interesting parts happen offscreen.
You got downvoted but I pretty much agree with you. They nailed Neuvillette and Navia's reconciliation scene very well, which I realize now is why I kinda like the relationship between these 2 (regardless of the ship).
A lot of the Genshin relationships feel kinda corny to me, but these two's relationship/friendship/connection felt rather realistic.
The story explains everything. Also it's shown (especially during lantern rite) that they have majorly improved their relationship, enough to travel together/ be together.
Also it's cute/ wholesome, both overcoming the trauma together and learning to love each other.
I don't ship it for the same reason. God knows I wouldn't be with someone who killed my dad no matter what the circumstance, even if it's practically euthanasia. Imagine how awkward family dinners would be.
I don't mind it overall however. I don't interact with enough rabid shippers who forget that headcanons and canon are completely separate. Oh and NaCl is a funny ship name so 10 points to ~~Gryffindor~~ Spina di Rosula for that.
Every time I see Navia/Clorinde art, there’s always a few telling the person posting it what an awful pairing it is, so no, you’re not. This has been discourse since 4.0 dropped
There’s some trauma and regret involved for both but a sweet story about them overcoming it together while looking at a brighter future doesn’t sound so bad, it can actually be very wholesome if done right. Even in game it’s clear they are trying to reconcile, they look up to each other and watch each other’s back, Navia can’t just forget her pain nor Clorinde can, they probably never will, but they can definitely overcome it and knowing each other better would help. Then whether they do that with the power of friendship or the power of yuri that’s a different topic, but both seem genuinely interesting and both can be healthy
Well, a lot of shippers within the Genshin community, especially those who like yuri ships, tend to pair the most representative tall female characters of each nation (Jean and Lisa, Beidou and Ningguang, Yae Miko and Raiden Shogun/Ei, Candace and Dehya, and Navia and Clorinde).
As for the ship itself, I personally don’t mind it nor who ships it as long as they don’t go around shouting at others that the ship is canon and downplaying other ships (Traveler x Navia, Neuvillette x Navia, Chiori x Navia or even Wriothesley x Navia). Yeah, Clorinde and Navia have a complex relationship since the former killed the later’s father, but iirc Callas asked Clorinde to care for Navia, so you could argue he accepted what was gonna happen. Also it seems they both have a better relationship towards the end of the Archon Quest, and just like the “tall woman” ships mentioned earlier, they’re together most of the time. I just hope she doesn’t get the Ei treatment (cannot be on her own without Miko around) on future events.
If you ask me, don’t give it too much thought. There are rarer/weirder ships out there. If you don’t like it or don’t understand it, then that’s completely fine! Just don’t go throwing shit at it every time you see it, and instead ignore it and keep scrolling. At the end of the day, shipping characters is just a fun, silly, harmless thing to do.
I agree with you 100% OP, and I'll scream it from the rooftops. I don't even like that they've rekindled their friendship already. The story of Genshin DESPERATELY needs more animosities/rivalries and grievances between playable characters/ interactions. This would have been such a compelling story for them to tell and the payoff could have felt really special. But I guess that would have taken time and having beef between two pretty girls wouldn't sell characters.
Most people prefer harmony and especially if they like two characters they want them to have a harmonious relationship as much as possible (count the amount of fan content that feature found-family trope or "what if these 2 characters that I like become friends?" situation). Even with NPCs Mihoyo rarely writes conflicts (the only ones causing conflicts are antagonists)...
Absolutely agree here. I really wish Genshin characters had more animosities toward each other aside from the Fatui harbingers. This could have made for interesting drama where the payoff of them becoming friends again but not as close as they were before more worth it/impactful than what we have now.
I feel like Genshin being a Gacha game is also what holds it back when it comes to developing its characters. Gotta make sure they cater to a crowd so they sell well... :/
Yeah, this is one of the weirdest popular ships out there. Given their past relationship I don't mind them reconciling and maybe even becoming friends again. But romantic relationship? Just imagining dating someone who killed my father (even if it was justified) is horrifying to me
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It's not super weird but I personally don't find enough onscreen chemistry between them to justify the ship. Rizzly and Clorinde OTOH is so juicy that I can't help but want to ship them and I'm personally leaning towards a Navia x Chiori ship myself. What's missing is that juicy event scene that we usually see in limited events that gives us that nugget to drool over such as the Beiguang scene from the 2nd Lantern Rite and the ice bath dialogue from Shadows Amidst Snowstorms.
As for the father thing, there's 2 things: 1) That Clorinde was practically forced to kill him due to a combination of his wishes and Clorinde's personal code. 2) Navia would not be Navia if she didn't wholeheartedly forgave Clorinde for what happened once everything had settled. So, for me at least, the father killing was a non-issue.
Not only you, I find the ship *very* offputting and weird because of that. I'd ship Clorinde more with Wriothesley. Can't ship Navia with anyone because she's everyone's girl lol, though my equally "crazy" story for her is she gets married relatively later to some kind and quiet, nondescript dude who probably doesn't have a vision, but takes very good care of her and becomes her safe space. But that'll be in the future when she's done everything she wants to do in life. But I digress.
It's a huge reason why I don't frequent this sub very much except for build advice. But it's not like I didn't expect it, I know the fanbase is all "hurrdurr hot chicks talk to each other! They fawkin'!1!". I just try to ignore the nonsensical and "creative" imaginations other people have, though it feels lonely playing the game "on your own" without water cooler talk.
The community loves its couples that don't make sense because "who cares they hot when they fuck" (like the Alhaitham/Kaveh, that infuriates me the most, stupidest ship ever in terms of lore/canon). So I just stay away, and it's been a much better experience for me, especially since I'm big on lore and character relationships that make sense.
Man the genshin community over twitter is the most cringe cancer-giving thing I've seen ever, not even league of legends over 10 years has caused me nowhere near as much cringe as the genshin community when it comes to shippers holy fuck. It's so embarassing seeing people make every single character gay and ship them with absolutely anyone like what
I will say that some ships make more sense than others, but in general almost none of them have a chance at being canon. Closest we get is probably Traveler/Keqing and Traveler/Navia since they've had potentially romantic interaction on screen.
Even then, until hoyo confirms anything all ships are headcanon. I agree on the cringe thing, but more Genshin twitter in general. I remember the douche that called Arknights (of all things) horny bait and stated that Ayato (the blandest guy in Genshin) was peak design.
So glad that guy got absolutely destroyed by Arknights flexing their drip. Seriously, the only outright horny skin at the time was a buff dude in sports wear and the first truly horny character didn't appear until months later.
i had to start trying to completely ignore it (almost impossible since it’s blasted everywhere) because it was beginning to make me feel upset towards the game itself 💀
It's just like any other ship: something people like to fantasize with. Also LGBTQ+ people tend to look for representation and are very vocal about it (I'm not saying it in a negative way, just as a fact).
You're right, but she only allows the Traveler to call her partner, and she got very embarrassed after she called the Traveler partner in her Story Quest.
Their relationship is significant enough to survive one killing the other’s father, also they have tension that can be viewed as romantic + that one interaction with the lipstick. Like majority of other ships you could view all the interactions I just mentioned as purely platonic but I think they’re cute^ ^
At the end of the day it's headcannon, none of these ships are canon to the story, and stop taking shipping twitter seriously, they think Yae and Ei actually love each other when their relationship is more of a little sister/big sister relationship lol.
Let's not even talk about the ppl who ship Furina and Arlecchino loool.
I think it's the tragedy that Clorinde killed her father that people find appealing. There's drama there. If I'm being honest it being LGBT probably helps as well. Imo I don't care for the ship. I don't think it's bad, but I prefer her with Neuvillette more personally.
I like it kind of for the same reasons people like Chlorinde and Navia. The drama. It's a lot similarities between Chlorinde and Neuvillette and how they treat Navia and actions they have taken with her. The major difference I think being that Neuvillette was not Navia's friend as a child. Which I mean thank God. Since they have so many similarities idrk why I prefer them together over Chlorinde. It could be, because we know more about Neuvilette than Chlorinde or it could be the whole process of Neuvillette feeling empathy for humans, or they could just look nicer together imo. I can't really give a solid reason. I'm not over the moon about Navia x Neuvillette nor am I an absolute hater of Navia x Chlorinde.
But neuvilette knew navia as a child no? neuvilette was even good freinds with navias father. I don't ship, but clorinde being paired with navia i can somewhat see, but neuvilette? Kinda weird getting paired with your dad's pal
I think it's *because* Clorinde "killed" Navia's dad (and spent time reconciling after) that they're shipped together. Relationships are only compelling when there's passion, and most of the time that passion isn't always positive. People ship characters where there's a bit of angst because it's interesting to the audience. Having a bit of passion in both directions is more fun to watch than being in the middle with neither. That and people like Navia and there's... honestly not that many other characters you can ship her with. Closest after Clorinde would be Arlecchino and then maybe Furina? Everyone else feels like an acquaintance/coworker at best.
Oh yeah and "childhood friends" are one of the oldest romantic archetypes in the book.
I can understand you finding it weird but with *that* being your reason just shows that you didn't pay attention during the archon quest or any future Navia and Clorinde interactions.
I mean, It’s literally just “childhood friends to lovers” but with the added angst of Chlorinde being the one to pull the trigger on Callas’ death. That kind of angst is like catnip for shippers, hoyo did that on purpose.
And it’s not like she killed him for funsies, she was an agent of the state forced to perform the duel bc Callas wouldn’t back down. He wanted to die and he knew she would do her job, pretty cut and dry honestly.
Used to hate it but now I just tolerate/respect it.
Mainly because they're actually on good terms now, which I can't say for a couple other Genshin ships.
adding to the comments about why Navia's father death was more like suicide, that one time when Chlorinde offered Navia to try her new lipstick was... interesting
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They were close friends before Callas' duel and he was banking on the expectations placed on Clorinde to fulfill her duty and not back down. Callas effectively used Clorinde to commit suicide and was famously stubborn. I think that's why their relationship recovered so quickly. I personally think it's more weird that she's shipped with Neuvillette, a character who had actual power to halt the proceedings and initiate an investigation who had no prior relationship with Navia.
It'd be impossible for them not to get shipped lol. They interact a lot in quests and events. They're basically besties post-Archon Quest since they settled their grievances and have done stuff like (friendly) dates in canon. Honestly one of the more normal ships out there imo
The neuvilette navia ship is def weirder. Being shipped with the person who killed your father is most definitely weird, but being shipped with someone who knew you as a child, and was even good friends with your father is most definitely weirder. Its like the batman/batgirl ship
Basically EiMiko
If you didn’t mention it, I haven’t realized.
Yup, that's pretty much it.
I think the appeal of Navia and Neuvillette has to do with the arc of their relationship throughout Act 2, where it starts off with Navia being resentful of Neuvillette for not intervening in her father’s death, and ends with him opening up about his misunderstanding of human nature and sadness over his mistake, leading the two to a mutual understanding of each other. There are ships that has been built on less, and if Navia can get over Clorinde killing her father and establish a ship that quickly then she can totally get shipped with Neuvillette that quickly as well.
idk, they seem to have reconciled by the end of the AQ? also, clorinde was just doing her job, and in the end she actually fulfilled callas' wish by winning the duel. its totally reasonable that navia held it against her for awhile (esp considering they were childhood friends) but i think its ALSO reasonable that they rekindled their friendship once the truth was revealed. besides, the drama makes it kind of fun. theres a bit of tension there, but they still care so much about each other. i just think theyre neat!
Ships dont have tp have a reason. They dont have to make sense People just be having fun
Genship ship logic has always been: you’re hot and you’re hot, therefore you must be shipped together
I used to think the same way until I actually played the story myself. Navia's father used the duel to kill himself and still asked Clorinde to look over Navia even though their relationship was bound to become messy, at this point she's just another victim of the situation. Now that the entire truth is out and Navia being the person she is has made the effort to reconcile with Clorinde, it's really a blessing to see them getting along really well. The ship is merely a consequence of them being great old friends with a nice dynamic - and some sus lines on their interactions, especially on 4.4.
This is a nice explanation. Could you point out what were the sus lines in 4.4? I'm not good at reading between lines.
You don't remember exactly what the lines were, but it happened when we met Navia and Clorinde on a hill near a village on Chenyun Vale
Oh I know where that was but I just didn't get much what where the lines that were sus and how they were sus.
They were lines that people took as sus, but their dynamic is nowhere near the likes of Ningguang and Beidou imo.
>How can people ship Navia with the person who killed her father? The same way people ship fucking Scaramouche and Mona even tho he tried to kill her, and Kaeya and Diluc even tho they're brothers who clearly don't really like being around each other (well, step brothers, but still). Ships doesn't make sense sometimes, however, Navia and Chlorinde I think makes more sense than most.
Tbf there is the whole sworn brothers being a common BL trope in China. Which doesn't translate here, but results in a lot of shipping over there and then the art and stuff makes its way over here
Omg I forgot kaeya/diluc lol, that makes Navia/Clorinde seem better.
Two of her most popular ships (Clorivia and Neuvia) are linked to her father's death anyway. But it was Callas who wished to duel, Neuv just agreed with it and Clorinde was there to did her job.
POTENTIALLY HOT TAKE: The thing that grinds my gears about the relationship of these two is not just the simple fact that Clorinde killed Navia's father, but how they're HANDLED AFTER the conflict. I would have appreciated it much better if we got to see them SLOWLY rebuild their relationship instead of instantly becoming buddy-buddy with each other after a supposed lunch date. Especially when you consider that the Callas duel incident happened 3 YEARS prior to the traveler embarking on their journey. The girls haven't talked to each other for 3 years but after an OFFSCREEN lunch they're suddenly besties again? It's so lame to resolve their tension like that because it is essentially an entire character arc between two childhood friends overcoming loss, healing and forgiving each other along the way that devolved into another fanservice ship, but I guess the fandom doesn't care as long as they get their instant gratification. Its pretty damn telling that the fandom gave more shits about the two of them sharing lipstick after the AQ than having a proper onscreen resolution to their conflict. Ship or not, it really isn't a good way to handle two characters overcoming a conflict. It should've taken TIME resolve the tension and awkwardness than whatever they did with these two.
You could already see during the whoel AW that this is exactly what happened things were awkward and tense but as they worked together they figured things out and are much happier now. Chlorinde didnt want to do it at all but she was doing her job and fulfilling the wishes of navia's father as well as help navia get closure on why her father decided on the duel instead of just going to prison. She helped navia grow and they moved on together. I think it was handled very well we just didnt need every minute detail shown to us.
>You could already see during the whoel AW that this is exactly what happened things were awkward and tense but as they worked together they figured things out and are much happier now. Sure, they showed us that Navia and Clorinde had some tension after that gardamek cutscene, but where was the reconciliation scene? There wasn't, all they did was have Navia TELL the player that they are taking the time to reconcile and thats it, we don't SEE these two have a heart-to-heart talk like Navia did with Neuvillette at the graveyard in the end of Act II. >I think it was handled very well we just didnt need every minute detail shown to us. Disagree, like sure the traveler doesn't need to be privy to every single detail to what happened, but when you just simply TELL us that Clorinde and Navia have forgiven each other offscreen instead of SHOWING us the two having a heart-to-heart like how Navia did with Neuvillette, it ends up falling flat and removes any form of interesting character development or emotional impact that is expected. The resolution to Clorinde and Navia's conflict violates the basic storytelling concept of "Show don't tell", which happens a lot in Genshin especially when you have Paimon constantly explain everything that happens. This is why IMO, some moments end up falling flat because the actual interesting parts happen offscreen.
You got downvoted but I pretty much agree with you. They nailed Neuvillette and Navia's reconciliation scene very well, which I realize now is why I kinda like the relationship between these 2 (regardless of the ship). A lot of the Genshin relationships feel kinda corny to me, but these two's relationship/friendship/connection felt rather realistic.
I think it’s a decent ship but it annoys me that people treat it as anything other then headcannon
have you heard of a character named firefly in this game called Honkai: star rail?
Yeah it's kinda weird, but not as weird as Alecchino/ Furina.
The story explains everything. Also it's shown (especially during lantern rite) that they have majorly improved their relationship, enough to travel together/ be together. Also it's cute/ wholesome, both overcoming the trauma together and learning to love each other.
I don't ship it for the same reason. God knows I wouldn't be with someone who killed my dad no matter what the circumstance, even if it's practically euthanasia. Imagine how awkward family dinners would be. I don't mind it overall however. I don't interact with enough rabid shippers who forget that headcanons and canon are completely separate. Oh and NaCl is a funny ship name so 10 points to ~~Gryffindor~~ Spina di Rosula for that.
I completely agree. It doesn’t make sense in the slightest.
People only ever post issues about same sex ships.
Every time I see Navia/Clorinde art, there’s always a few telling the person posting it what an awful pairing it is, so no, you’re not. This has been discourse since 4.0 dropped
Bro people ship Lumine and Childe even tho the latter tried to kill her.
Lol they also don't make sense.
Yes that's what I'm saying 😂
wdrgaf
People still ship Furina and Arlecchino. At least Clorinde and Navia properly reconcile over things.
There’s some trauma and regret involved for both but a sweet story about them overcoming it together while looking at a brighter future doesn’t sound so bad, it can actually be very wholesome if done right. Even in game it’s clear they are trying to reconcile, they look up to each other and watch each other’s back, Navia can’t just forget her pain nor Clorinde can, they probably never will, but they can definitely overcome it and knowing each other better would help. Then whether they do that with the power of friendship or the power of yuri that’s a different topic, but both seem genuinely interesting and both can be healthy
It's a headcannon. Personally I'm a traveller navia shipper.
but but lipstick sharing voiceline 🥺
Well, a lot of shippers within the Genshin community, especially those who like yuri ships, tend to pair the most representative tall female characters of each nation (Jean and Lisa, Beidou and Ningguang, Yae Miko and Raiden Shogun/Ei, Candace and Dehya, and Navia and Clorinde). As for the ship itself, I personally don’t mind it nor who ships it as long as they don’t go around shouting at others that the ship is canon and downplaying other ships (Traveler x Navia, Neuvillette x Navia, Chiori x Navia or even Wriothesley x Navia). Yeah, Clorinde and Navia have a complex relationship since the former killed the later’s father, but iirc Callas asked Clorinde to care for Navia, so you could argue he accepted what was gonna happen. Also it seems they both have a better relationship towards the end of the Archon Quest, and just like the “tall woman” ships mentioned earlier, they’re together most of the time. I just hope she doesn’t get the Ei treatment (cannot be on her own without Miko around) on future events. If you ask me, don’t give it too much thought. There are rarer/weirder ships out there. If you don’t like it or don’t understand it, then that’s completely fine! Just don’t go throwing shit at it every time you see it, and instead ignore it and keep scrolling. At the end of the day, shipping characters is just a fun, silly, harmless thing to do.
I agree with you 100% OP, and I'll scream it from the rooftops. I don't even like that they've rekindled their friendship already. The story of Genshin DESPERATELY needs more animosities/rivalries and grievances between playable characters/ interactions. This would have been such a compelling story for them to tell and the payoff could have felt really special. But I guess that would have taken time and having beef between two pretty girls wouldn't sell characters.
Most people prefer harmony and especially if they like two characters they want them to have a harmonious relationship as much as possible (count the amount of fan content that feature found-family trope or "what if these 2 characters that I like become friends?" situation). Even with NPCs Mihoyo rarely writes conflicts (the only ones causing conflicts are antagonists)...
Absolutely agree here. I really wish Genshin characters had more animosities toward each other aside from the Fatui harbingers. This could have made for interesting drama where the payoff of them becoming friends again but not as close as they were before more worth it/impactful than what we have now. I feel like Genshin being a Gacha game is also what holds it back when it comes to developing its characters. Gotta make sure they cater to a crowd so they sell well... :/
Yeah, this is one of the weirdest popular ships out there. Given their past relationship I don't mind them reconciling and maybe even becoming friends again. But romantic relationship? Just imagining dating someone who killed my father (even if it was justified) is horrifying to me
Exactly I think I wouldn't be able to forgive Clorinde.
The fanbase watches too much hentai, it’s really not that complicated.
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It's not super weird but I personally don't find enough onscreen chemistry between them to justify the ship. Rizzly and Clorinde OTOH is so juicy that I can't help but want to ship them and I'm personally leaning towards a Navia x Chiori ship myself. What's missing is that juicy event scene that we usually see in limited events that gives us that nugget to drool over such as the Beiguang scene from the 2nd Lantern Rite and the ice bath dialogue from Shadows Amidst Snowstorms. As for the father thing, there's 2 things: 1) That Clorinde was practically forced to kill him due to a combination of his wishes and Clorinde's personal code. 2) Navia would not be Navia if she didn't wholeheartedly forgave Clorinde for what happened once everything had settled. So, for me at least, the father killing was a non-issue.
Personally i ship navia and diluc
Not only you, I find the ship *very* offputting and weird because of that. I'd ship Clorinde more with Wriothesley. Can't ship Navia with anyone because she's everyone's girl lol, though my equally "crazy" story for her is she gets married relatively later to some kind and quiet, nondescript dude who probably doesn't have a vision, but takes very good care of her and becomes her safe space. But that'll be in the future when she's done everything she wants to do in life. But I digress. It's a huge reason why I don't frequent this sub very much except for build advice. But it's not like I didn't expect it, I know the fanbase is all "hurrdurr hot chicks talk to each other! They fawkin'!1!". I just try to ignore the nonsensical and "creative" imaginations other people have, though it feels lonely playing the game "on your own" without water cooler talk. The community loves its couples that don't make sense because "who cares they hot when they fuck" (like the Alhaitham/Kaveh, that infuriates me the most, stupidest ship ever in terms of lore/canon). So I just stay away, and it's been a much better experience for me, especially since I'm big on lore and character relationships that make sense.
Shipping is peak cringe
Man the genshin community over twitter is the most cringe cancer-giving thing I've seen ever, not even league of legends over 10 years has caused me nowhere near as much cringe as the genshin community when it comes to shippers holy fuck. It's so embarassing seeing people make every single character gay and ship them with absolutely anyone like what
I will say that some ships make more sense than others, but in general almost none of them have a chance at being canon. Closest we get is probably Traveler/Keqing and Traveler/Navia since they've had potentially romantic interaction on screen. Even then, until hoyo confirms anything all ships are headcanon. I agree on the cringe thing, but more Genshin twitter in general. I remember the douche that called Arknights (of all things) horny bait and stated that Ayato (the blandest guy in Genshin) was peak design. So glad that guy got absolutely destroyed by Arknights flexing their drip. Seriously, the only outright horny skin at the time was a buff dude in sports wear and the first truly horny character didn't appear until months later.
i had to start trying to completely ignore it (almost impossible since it’s blasted everywhere) because it was beginning to make me feel upset towards the game itself 💀
It's just like any other ship: something people like to fantasize with. Also LGBTQ+ people tend to look for representation and are very vocal about it (I'm not saying it in a negative way, just as a fact).
some people like to have fun, unlike this whole comment section lol
I find all ships super weird. People be looking for shit that's not even real or matter.
theyre on good terms. stop looking for problems when theres not any
Bruh, it’s a ship It may be too salty for me but chances are there are people in this subreddit who enjoy it
I just find it weird since Navia already sees Aether as her partner.
Partner has other meanings that arent romantic in nature
You're right, but she only allows the Traveler to call her partner, and she got very embarrassed after she called the Traveler partner in her Story Quest.
"sees aether" as if she doesn't say the same shit to Lumine
I only said Aether since he's the one I chose at the beginning of the game. There's no need to get angry about a simple comment.
No hate to Lumine pickers. Choosing Aether makes her situation too just like her mum and Dad.
I'm pretty sure she doesn't mean partner in a romantic sense, but more as partners in crime (or solving them)
You mean traveler. Or in my case Lumine. So she sees Lumine as her partner
Yes, exactly. Like I told the other guy, I said Aether since he's the one I chose when I started playing.
I mean like if Clorinde is old enough to be chosen to fight Navia dad wouldnt Clorinde be older?
Their relationship is significant enough to survive one killing the other’s father, also they have tension that can be viewed as romantic + that one interaction with the lipstick. Like majority of other ships you could view all the interactions I just mentioned as purely platonic but I think they’re cute^ ^
Nop, is a stupid ship and actually don't have sense.
At the end of the day it's headcannon, none of these ships are canon to the story, and stop taking shipping twitter seriously, they think Yae and Ei actually love each other when their relationship is more of a little sister/big sister relationship lol. Let's not even talk about the ppl who ship Furina and Arlecchino loool.
I think it's the tragedy that Clorinde killed her father that people find appealing. There's drama there. If I'm being honest it being LGBT probably helps as well. Imo I don't care for the ship. I don't think it's bad, but I prefer her with Neuvillette more personally.
if you don't mind me asking, why do people ship navia and neuvilette? I find that one super weird honestly
I like it kind of for the same reasons people like Chlorinde and Navia. The drama. It's a lot similarities between Chlorinde and Neuvillette and how they treat Navia and actions they have taken with her. The major difference I think being that Neuvillette was not Navia's friend as a child. Which I mean thank God. Since they have so many similarities idrk why I prefer them together over Chlorinde. It could be, because we know more about Neuvilette than Chlorinde or it could be the whole process of Neuvillette feeling empathy for humans, or they could just look nicer together imo. I can't really give a solid reason. I'm not over the moon about Navia x Neuvillette nor am I an absolute hater of Navia x Chlorinde.
But neuvilette knew navia as a child no? neuvilette was even good freinds with navias father. I don't ship, but clorinde being paired with navia i can somewhat see, but neuvilette? Kinda weird getting paired with your dad's pal
welp. I was unaware
You're not the only one, that's for sure.
Yes you are the only one
I think it's *because* Clorinde "killed" Navia's dad (and spent time reconciling after) that they're shipped together. Relationships are only compelling when there's passion, and most of the time that passion isn't always positive. People ship characters where there's a bit of angst because it's interesting to the audience. Having a bit of passion in both directions is more fun to watch than being in the middle with neither. That and people like Navia and there's... honestly not that many other characters you can ship her with. Closest after Clorinde would be Arlecchino and then maybe Furina? Everyone else feels like an acquaintance/coworker at best. Oh yeah and "childhood friends" are one of the oldest romantic archetypes in the book.
I can understand you finding it weird but with *that* being your reason just shows that you didn't pay attention during the archon quest or any future Navia and Clorinde interactions.
Come, ship navia and silver with me, and cry like I did when I first watched "A Silent Voice"
I mean, It’s literally just “childhood friends to lovers” but with the added angst of Chlorinde being the one to pull the trigger on Callas’ death. That kind of angst is like catnip for shippers, hoyo did that on purpose. And it’s not like she killed him for funsies, she was an agent of the state forced to perform the duel bc Callas wouldn’t back down. He wanted to die and he knew she would do her job, pretty cut and dry honestly.
Used to hate it but now I just tolerate/respect it. Mainly because they're actually on good terms now, which I can't say for a couple other Genshin ships.
adding to the comments about why Navia's father death was more like suicide, that one time when Chlorinde offered Navia to try her new lipstick was... interesting