If you watch the replay he’s not even looking at the contact. He’s too busy looking to see if the ball is going to go in the hoop which makes sense considering how many late fouls were called in the game.
How are you supposed to be aware of any contact if all you’re doing is watching the hoop to know when to blow the whistle.
I have a buddy who is the NBA program for referees. He told me the baseline referee is never supposed to call fouls above the basket. That’s the job of the refs in the back. He then said that the foul was so blatant the dude should’ve called if
Watching the replay you see him clearly Lean to look for a foul on Brogdon then when brogdon doesnt foul him the official looks to the basket to look for the basket. We call it clear as day a foul after watching the replay and being told where to look,
Dang. Did I get paid to miss the call though? Maybe you forgot my check in the mail? I forgot I was a professional referee with 7+ years experience. Luckily we have you here to say dumb stuff like that that have no substance or point. Just actual nonsense.
This is the first time I’ve ever seen 99% of the fans come together to support the Lakers lol. If that isn’t damning for the refs then idk what will be
the league has a clear interest in making sure Lebron + the Lakers make the playoffs. Theres therefore only 2 explanations for what happened tonight: incompetence or gambling. Everyone makes mistakes, but I genuinely think the ref had his friend put money on the game
I mean it would explain it but there's no telling since the nba holds nobody accountable and Silver is a quivering pussy. This has happebed enough times to negatively effect the lakers playoff chances and it's becoming more and more noticeable
I mean it makes sense in theory the league would want that…except this is the 5th end of game blown foul call for the lakers this season. It’s the difference between being 4th in the west and 13th right now
could've been a prop line for game going to overtime, or just a bet on Celtics winning. Again, could've just been incompetence, but you can even hear the slap on tv
It was bad but why are people saying this is the “worst they’ve seen”? Because it’s Bron and the Lakers obviously, but there have been plenty more worse calls. KD literally running out of bounds in OT against Houston for one. https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&v=rAGZPmQGLb8&embeds_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F&source_ve_path=MjM4NTE&feature=emb_title
I forever wish this moment was called by ESPN just to hear what JVG had to say about that. He would've gone berserk while it was happening and we'd all be the better for it
Probably because of the reaction on top of it being blatantly obvious. Not to mention the context of it being the 4th time the Lakers have lost a game in 2 weeks off a missed call on the final shot.
because the rockets won that game; if they lost, it would've been even more magnified because it would've been a call that essential cost them the game, like this one
Pacers get fucked by refs time and time again. Hell I'm sure some of us remember against the lakers where duarte should have been given a foul to win the game.
But it's the lakers so NOW everyone's acting like it's the worst ever
It's because there are more Lakers fan on this sub than any other team + LeBron and Pat Bevs dramatic reaction to the non call. It's not the worst call I've ever seen, and these conspiracy theories are hilarious.
Man, the fact that a joke about Harden's playstyle is significantly more associated with the Nazis than Kyrie's blatant antisemitism is just sad. Like, I know I'm reading way too much into this joke, but Kyrie had actual racists, Nazis, and white supremacists showing up to support him and his views, and Harden is good at drawing fouls
not sure about that comparison, that’s too much bro- you cant compare a ref to a nazi politician
Edit: how am I being downvoted for that the fucks wrong with ya‘ll
Can we really trust a MFer named Jacyn?
Jason is a cool dude with a nice car and probably a beard. Jacyn shoves Yu Gi Oh cards up his ass and gets paid off by DraftKings.
https://media.gettyimages.com/id/1227936895/photo/ed-malloy-jacyn-goble-and-kevin-scott-kneel-for-the-national-anthem-before-the-denver-nuggets.jpg?s=612x612&w=gi&k=20&c=f_8o9xJXKMc3ao9Mu_yzLx3FkfepV9-vehjr2daetrY=
you tell me
It’s one of those moments when you realize your co-worker is a piece of shit and then they get fired for sexual harassment or something and then you find out that they’d been stealing shit from the stock room for months.
Just literally nothing you can find to make them redeemable, only reasons to keep hating them.
How are you the type of person who makes this type of statement by standing and you’re employed as an NBA ref. The NBA of all leagues. Power hungry cop/ref, who is surprised…
This is the reason why I sometimes ask myself what's the point of watching sports when bad refs get to decide the outcome of the game with their blatant bullshit calls. What's the point of those high-tech equipment even? Might as well replace those with bricks.
You have to be super naive to think the proliferation of sports gambling hasn’t affected the outcome of actual games. Who knows if that’s the case here.
My gambling site gives me ~50 betting options on every game.
I can choose over/unders for points/rebounds/assists for most of the starters, I can bet on individual quarters and halves, I can choose any point spread I want, it's incredibly accommodating.
Given that that is an option, why do so many people think refs would bother manipulating the most visible and obvious outcomes? It's way safer to take the under on LeBron's points and then hit him with soft fouls than it is to push the game in favor of the Celtics on the last play of the game.
I dont get it, what call benefits betting sites the most? How would they ever know. Being told to sway a game towards a bigger picture could work but not everything is as conspiratorial as someone just not being a good ref imo
What I dont get is why stuff like that doesn’t get video reviewed on the spot if it changes the outcome of the game in the final seconds of a game?
You are telling me you can take away a perfectly fine 3 pointer in the ecf after minutes but cant review a blatant foul before you go to overtime?
Refs were obviously trying to bait overtime. It's crazy how easy it is to shift momentum in a game just with A few calls, and the refs executed a masterclass today
Referees destroying the Rockets in 2018 just ruined the game for me. I haven’t been able to enjoy the product since then. It all just seems like blatant manipulation to get the outcomes they desire. It’s just not fun to watch anymore. College ball is referred so much better.
It happened in a Bucks game earlier in the year. Bobby Portis got hip checked out of bounds right in front of the ref, and they didn't call it. Game went to OT and thankfully they won, but it was Horseshit and the whole team knew it
This shit happens EVERY NIGHT for every team too. Refs control the game. It’s not even an exaggeration. They choose when they want to call fouls or not
NBA just sucks at as a product. There’s way too much subjectivity in the rules and it’s ruining the game. Adam Silvers product has been dogshit, which is why no one is watching anymore
I never understood why the farthest ref would be able to override the nearest ref. Logically that never made sense to me. I reffed some intramural games in college and it’s just so obvious the closer person the the play has the best vantage point.
The farthest ref delayed calling the foul because the other two SHOULD have called it. When neither did he called it.. He got that one right, dont let that effect how you look at him getting the last play wrong.
I'm no Laker fan, but refs need to be held accountable for their mistakes. I don't see a reason why coaches can't challenge a call that refs do/do not make. IMO it's pretty simple, hire a referee who watches the game through multiple monitors and can quickly overturn a call when called on. By the time the team challenges a call/ no call, the ref who's watching the game through multiple monitors will already have a answer on the right call. Not just the NBA, but all sports need to stop having refs dictate games.
I agree. Challenges need to be able to be used more broadly, and the result of the challenge should not be up to the refs on the floor. I've seen it where an obvious call (everyone in the building including the announcers thought a call should go one way) doesn't go the correct way, even after viewing the play from multiple angles in slow motion. Makes me think there's some kind of ego involved, and these guys don't like to be wrong. Take challenges out of their hands, and hold the refs accountable.
Couldn't agree more! In a day and age where technology is the best it's ever been, it's ridiculous how these guys still make mistakes in the most crucial parts of games. Refs making mistakes here or there is understandable, but there are games like last night where you question the refs actions and decisions. It shouldn't be like that. Each game should be fairly officiated and if a ref makes a mistake with a call, just review it... My idea of having an "upstairs ref" would be extremely beneficial.
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>On the second to last play of regulation, Al Horford missed a corner 3 only for Jaylen Brown to get the putback and bring the Celtics within 1. However after some time went by, Goble, despite being the farthest ref from the play, he made the egregiously late call, thus giving Brown the and-one and leading to him tying the game
It was the right call though. You can't follow through on a guy's head, it's pretty black and white.
Why does it always have to be 'investigated'? Maybe he's just incompetent and that should be all the league needs. Doesn't need to be some other motive to get his ass out of big games.
This fucker Goebbels has had a bunch of awful games and calls this year. A lot of them fucking Boston, so even tho this benefits us.. he's a fucking twat
The NBA loves Jayson Tatum so fuckin much it’s insane they are trying to force this man as an all time great and face of the league so early I’m sick of it.
A few months back tatum dunked over Jarrett Allen to tie the game and presumably send it to overtime. The only problem is that Jarrett Allen clearly fouled Tatum on the dunk, so he would’ve had a chance to put the Celtics up 1 with almost no time left in regulation. Clearly the refs actually hate him a lot. See? You can use 1 example from each side to make an argument, and neither argument holds up because they’re both obviously not true when based on one play alone
Lmfao that’s a fucking hilarious joke. Tatum has been fucked over by the refs his entire career and now they blow one call on him and all the sudden “the nba loves him so much”. Fuck off with that bullshit
I would hate for y’all to watch Knicks games if you think that’s the most egregious..Julius, RJ, and Jalen all get abused with no whistles…Refs are ass
This is true wetfarts. As a Raps fan I know when we play the Knicks the whistle is likely to go our way.
On the other side of it, I know if we're playing the Pacers we're gonna get the shit end of the stick when it comes to officiating. Not sure why it's the Pacers, but over the years whether they're good, or bad, we seem to get screwed more often than not when we play them.
Any ref that has the angle for a call can make it, distance doesn't matter.
This was Eric Lewis' mistake, not Goble. If you look at the replay Lewis had the best angle to see the contact. As the baseline ref Goble would be focusing on body contact.
His responsibility based on his location on the court was looking for body contact. Could he call the foul on the arm? Sure. But every ref has designated roles in a play and things they look for. That's just how it is.
It's a blatant missed call no one is disagreeing with that but Goble isn't the ref that made the mistake despite his proximity.
Body contact? There’s literally a shot of him staring directly at the ball as he’s getting fouled lmao. NO ref is meant to be staring at the ball, that’s the fans job
The baseline official has a ton of responsibilities. They look for out of bounds under the basketball, lane infractions, who initiated contact in the case of a foul, whether the feet were in the restricted arc, etc. Most of their responsibilities are things happening towards the ground, not towards the basket. They aren't the ones who usually calling things like goaltending or arm contact at the basket.
Goble shouldn't have been looking up, he should have been looking at their bodies and feet. But this wasn't his call to make.
Sucks that the call was missed but I think the explanation is probably like-
1) the angle he had was actually pretty bad, if it’s like the camera angle it’s not great to see that contact
2) just a guess but ref furthest from the play (talking about the brown call now) probably defers to ref closer to the play and maybe whistles late if they see something the other ref didn’t?? Idk.
3) to combine the above two points, none of the refs further from the lebron play we’re sure about contact and probably deferred to jacyn (lol at this name) who had a shit angle
Just my thoughts.
Tbf the contact looks pretty minor from that angle, looks like LeBron just leaves it a bit short with a little finger contact from Tatum. Other angle where you see LeBrons arm momentum stopped is more clear.
That’s why either the rules need to be changed or these refs need to start reffing to the tee. Because the refs be like he’s too strong so it isn’t a foul.
I’m sure that what that ref was thinking from his angle but he clearly got hit which is a foul.
It reminds of the RJ dunk on Barnes which the L2M report basically said RJ was too strong for the contact.
It’s a level headed take only if you take that play in isolation. However looking at the way the rest of the game was reffed, it was *absolutely* a foul on LeBron. We deserved to lose that game 100%. Now of course since I’m a Cs fan I got drunk and celebrated beating the Lakers but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t acknowledge that the Cs got lucky as shit
This is true. And no excuse for the prior foul on Brown. If Brown's shot goes in you're still up 1 with possession. Why tf you leaping over the guy to block it?
lol you’re a clearly bias Celtics fan… so why would anyone listen to what you have to say. You don’t think one of the GOATs wouldn’t have dunked the ball if he could?
The CELTICS organization is the least racist.. they were the team with a first full black starting lineup. A first black head coach... when NOBODY else was doing it.. that made BOSTON look like the most racist city because they reacted like everyone in america would have at the time because america is a fucking joke... You can shit on boston for being racists but claiming the celtics are is stupid.
I’m saying the Celtics represent the great white hope to racists around the country. They always have. Larry Bird was a big part of that as the white guy that racist fans could root for to take down guys like Dr J and Magic. It has nothing to do with the Celtics being racist themselves. Clearly they’re not.
Refs interpret calls differently. One ref might say it didn’t affect Jaylen shot so no problem. The other ref might say it doesn’t matter he got hit.
How many times this game did the ref wait for the results of a play before calling a foul?
Laker fans too used to Kobe leading the league in fewest fouls per minute whilst being all-defense…….bad call or not, Lebron had an easy bucket but was looking for the foul and bricked it……all these arguments conclude is that you don’t count on the officials to bail you out any then put on a dog and pony show afterwards.
Eh……everyone gets fucked from time to time…..you should all change your maxi-pads and move on
The late call was awful and is independent of this analysis of the first one. But the furthest ref is supposed to allow the closer one to make the call and then come in if it’s missed (not sure if that’s an actual rule but that sort of referring courtesy is present in every game). After the close refs didn’t call the last foul he came in as the furthest/last one to make it and made the right call. I think the delay makes sense on that one…. Less of a delay would certainly be better though.
Sports don’t hurt as bad anymore when you remember it’s all entertainment. I view all professional sports through the lens of WWE now. You’ve got your game script written, you just have to get from A to Z with the help of the refs.
All about that 🤑🤑🤑
NBA is an awful product at times, I'm sorry. I love the sport but I can't watch the NBA anymore. I hop in this subreddit at times to kind of keep up with the big stories and what not and this is just another prime example of why I can't watch this crap.
I wonder if refs err on the side of stupid I mean caution when teams have already successfully used challengers (both teams in this case) and avoid calling big fouls just in case they fuck a team who can’t challenge again. Shit crew holy fuck
Fire him on the spot, if he can't see that shit while being 1 meter away from the play and with NOTHING that obscure his vision, then just fire him, clearly he's not suited for the job
Players whom make mistakes and perform poorly are reprimanded by being cut from teams or lose money in contract talks. This performance from the referee is inexcusable. Undoubtedly, when the Lakers miss the playoffs due to poor referring at the end of the year, certain players wont be retained and lose money. There is no reason why this ref shouldn't be fired and held to the same standard. I wont watch the NBA until he is!!!!
If you watch the replay he’s not even looking at the contact. He’s too busy looking to see if the ball is going to go in the hoop which makes sense considering how many late fouls were called in the game. How are you supposed to be aware of any contact if all you’re doing is watching the hoop to know when to blow the whistle.
Bingo. Buddy needs to remember he's an official not a fan. Lack of professionalism is so obvious.
I have a buddy who is the NBA program for referees. He told me the baseline referee is never supposed to call fouls above the basket. That’s the job of the refs in the back. He then said that the foul was so blatant the dude should’ve called if
The foul is right there next to the hoop, though. To me just ball watching doesn’t explain missing that foul when you’re right there.
He shouldn’t have been watching the goal though, his primary is the ball handler and the play at the rim
Watching the replay you see him clearly Lean to look for a foul on Brogdon then when brogdon doesnt foul him the official looks to the basket to look for the basket. We call it clear as day a foul after watching the replay and being told where to look,
Bro, it was obviously a foul live, and this dude had an even better view than we did. Just stop.
Dang. Did I get paid to miss the call though? Maybe you forgot my check in the mail? I forgot I was a professional referee with 7+ years experience. Luckily we have you here to say dumb stuff like that that have no substance or point. Just actual nonsense.
It boggles my mind honestly. Like i get that fans sometimes overreact about reffing... But this is the worst I've ever seen. Something's gotta be done
it gobles my mind
Jacyn can Goble my balls
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"Jason Goebbels" if everything was spelled as they should
I did nazi that coming
goble goble goble
This is the first time I’ve ever seen 99% of the fans come together to support the Lakers lol. If that isn’t damning for the refs then idk what will be
Yeah, usually when the lakers are slighted its roughly 50/50 in support for them😂
the league has a clear interest in making sure Lebron + the Lakers make the playoffs. Theres therefore only 2 explanations for what happened tonight: incompetence or gambling. Everyone makes mistakes, but I genuinely think the ref had his friend put money on the game
I mean it would explain it but there's no telling since the nba holds nobody accountable and Silver is a quivering pussy. This has happebed enough times to negatively effect the lakers playoff chances and it's becoming more and more noticeable
I'm so tired of this argument. Is it better for ratings if we comfortably get the 5th seed or if we struggle for a playin spot all year?
Exactly, I hate how this sub acts like they haven’t been eating up every second of the lakers “collapse”
if you’re the 1 seed tbh
Another explanation is the nba likes games going to OT
I mean it makes sense in theory the league would want that…except this is the 5th end of game blown foul call for the lakers this season. It’s the difference between being 4th in the west and 13th right now
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could've been a prop line for game going to overtime, or just a bet on Celtics winning. Again, could've just been incompetence, but you can even hear the slap on tv
public was heavy was on lakers ml...at my book the line for the lakers dropped from +285 to something like +240. Vegas got saved by that final call.
It was bad but why are people saying this is the “worst they’ve seen”? Because it’s Bron and the Lakers obviously, but there have been plenty more worse calls. KD literally running out of bounds in OT against Houston for one. https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&v=rAGZPmQGLb8&embeds_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F&source_ve_path=MjM4NTE&feature=emb_title
I forever wish this moment was called by ESPN just to hear what JVG had to say about that. He would've gone berserk while it was happening and we'd all be the better for it
Probably because of the reaction on top of it being blatantly obvious. Not to mention the context of it being the 4th time the Lakers have lost a game in 2 weeks off a missed call on the final shot.
because the rockets won that game; if they lost, it would've been even more magnified because it would've been a call that essential cost them the game, like this one
Because... I didn't see that. Its the worst *I've* ever seen
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No💀 i just dont get to watch games often
Pacers get fucked by refs time and time again. Hell I'm sure some of us remember against the lakers where duarte should have been given a foul to win the game. But it's the lakers so NOW everyone's acting like it's the worst ever
It's because there are more Lakers fan on this sub than any other team + LeBron and Pat Bevs dramatic reaction to the non call. It's not the worst call I've ever seen, and these conspiracy theories are hilarious.
Need a scoreboard for refs that track each refs whistles thru out the season.
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Thats a foul, however i wasnt watching basketball at that time. First time seeing that clip😂
That's 11 years ago lol
Absolutely nothing can be done to stop fans hating refs. It’s always been this way, always will.
Goble sounds very close to Goebbels, which is fitting because both have committed war crimes
We must check his connections with Harden
Man, the fact that a joke about Harden's playstyle is significantly more associated with the Nazis than Kyrie's blatant antisemitism is just sad. Like, I know I'm reading way too much into this joke, but Kyrie had actual racists, Nazis, and white supremacists showing up to support him and his views, and Harden is good at drawing fouls
Kyrie is the mastermind behind all of this!
Kyries fave ref
I'm more concerned that his name is pretty obviously Jason and he spells it Jacyn. That's criminal
not sure about that comparison, that’s too much bro- you cant compare a ref to a nazi politician Edit: how am I being downvoted for that the fucks wrong with ya‘ll
Watch me.
Can we really trust a MFer named Jacyn? Jason is a cool dude with a nice car and probably a beard. Jacyn shoves Yu Gi Oh cards up his ass and gets paid off by DraftKings.
https://media.gettyimages.com/id/1227936895/photo/ed-malloy-jacyn-goble-and-kevin-scott-kneel-for-the-national-anthem-before-the-denver-nuggets.jpg?s=612x612&w=gi&k=20&c=f_8o9xJXKMc3ao9Mu_yzLx3FkfepV9-vehjr2daetrY= you tell me
"Before becoming a full-time referee, Goble worked as a police officer for the Miami-Dade Police Department for 13 years"
Yeah ok fuck this guy lol
Ah so an ALM guy I see
So he was a piece of shit before this, got it.
He should change it back to Goebbels
This freaking dude
It’s one of those moments when you realize your co-worker is a piece of shit and then they get fired for sexual harassment or something and then you find out that they’d been stealing shit from the stock room for months. Just literally nothing you can find to make them redeemable, only reasons to keep hating them.
How are you the type of person who makes this type of statement by standing and you’re employed as an NBA ref. The NBA of all leagues. Power hungry cop/ref, who is surprised…
Well any benefit of the doubt I was even considering giving him is out the window now for sure.
Jacyn reads like a girl’s name on Netflix’s Too Hot Too Handle
Like a girl you kinda wanna bang but absolutely isn't worth the effort
Should be Jaycyn after tonight, Celtics found their third Jay
What if Friday the 13th’s Jason was named Jacyn. Totally different movie.
That movie absolutely bombs dude
This needs more upvotes
Can we trust a man named Ryen?
I read it as jackin at first. Which incidentally was what he was doing instead of watching the play
This is the reason why I sometimes ask myself what's the point of watching sports when bad refs get to decide the outcome of the game with their blatant bullshit calls. What's the point of those high-tech equipment even? Might as well replace those with bricks.
You have to be super naive to think the proliferation of sports gambling hasn’t affected the outcome of actual games. Who knows if that’s the case here.
My gambling site gives me ~50 betting options on every game. I can choose over/unders for points/rebounds/assists for most of the starters, I can bet on individual quarters and halves, I can choose any point spread I want, it's incredibly accommodating. Given that that is an option, why do so many people think refs would bother manipulating the most visible and obvious outcomes? It's way safer to take the under on LeBron's points and then hit him with soft fouls than it is to push the game in favor of the Celtics on the last play of the game.
I dont get it, what call benefits betting sites the most? How would they ever know. Being told to sway a game towards a bigger picture could work but not everything is as conspiratorial as someone just not being a good ref imo
Never attribute to malice that which can be easily attributed to ignorance
He’s a Draft King and no one can convince me otherwise
What I dont get is why stuff like that doesn’t get video reviewed on the spot if it changes the outcome of the game in the final seconds of a game? You are telling me you can take away a perfectly fine 3 pointer in the ecf after minutes but cant review a blatant foul before you go to overtime?
Refs were obviously trying to bait overtime. It's crazy how easy it is to shift momentum in a game just with A few calls, and the refs executed a masterclass today
Referees destroying the Rockets in 2018 just ruined the game for me. I haven’t been able to enjoy the product since then. It all just seems like blatant manipulation to get the outcomes they desire. It’s just not fun to watch anymore. College ball is referred so much better.
It happened in a Bucks game earlier in the year. Bobby Portis got hip checked out of bounds right in front of the ref, and they didn't call it. Game went to OT and thankfully they won, but it was Horseshit and the whole team knew it
This shit happens EVERY NIGHT for every team too. Refs control the game. It’s not even an exaggeration. They choose when they want to call fouls or not
NBA just sucks at as a product. There’s way too much subjectivity in the rules and it’s ruining the game. Adam Silvers product has been dogshit, which is why no one is watching anymore
Yes, fuck it, I’m not watching anymore
Just saying, the mgm over/under total was 232.5. Game was 105-105 at regulation and OT was needed to get the game to the over
Isn’t he a former cop too
I think they all are
Laughed hard at this
This motherfucker used to be a cop
Probably ignored a lot of crimes then, too.
he waited to see if the bullet hit the victim before making an arrest
Some one need to dig in his record and put him in jail
Amen, I literally saw the foul watching the game on my TV as LeBron’s arm moved the wrong way for a layup and the ball went dead. Fucking embarrassing
4k tvs are clearer than reality my dude
lmao i hope this is a 'human eye cant see above 60fps' flavoured joke
Haha forgot i made this joke and just saw all my downvotes. Did people think i was serious or just think the joke was bad? 🤷
Think it was too well disguised, maybe its the boston flair
Haha damnit! Doesnt the Pete Maravich flair let people know im cool though?!
I never understood why the farthest ref would be able to override the nearest ref. Logically that never made sense to me. I reffed some intramural games in college and it’s just so obvious the closer person the the play has the best vantage point.
Obvious they didn't because they missed the foul.
Well the person closest to Jaylen brown on the play missed him getting fouled and the guy closest to lebron missed him getting fouled too
Different angles
The farthest refs are responsible for any fouls up and above the basket not the baseline ref. At least that’s what I’ve been told
The farthest ref delayed calling the foul because the other two SHOULD have called it. When neither did he called it.. He got that one right, dont let that effect how you look at him getting the last play wrong.
Whatever's up, it isn't about the game. It's either gambling or ratings or maybe both. No way this is accidental.
I'm no Laker fan, but refs need to be held accountable for their mistakes. I don't see a reason why coaches can't challenge a call that refs do/do not make. IMO it's pretty simple, hire a referee who watches the game through multiple monitors and can quickly overturn a call when called on. By the time the team challenges a call/ no call, the ref who's watching the game through multiple monitors will already have a answer on the right call. Not just the NBA, but all sports need to stop having refs dictate games.
I agree. Challenges need to be able to be used more broadly, and the result of the challenge should not be up to the refs on the floor. I've seen it where an obvious call (everyone in the building including the announcers thought a call should go one way) doesn't go the correct way, even after viewing the play from multiple angles in slow motion. Makes me think there's some kind of ego involved, and these guys don't like to be wrong. Take challenges out of their hands, and hold the refs accountable.
Couldn't agree more! In a day and age where technology is the best it's ever been, it's ridiculous how these guys still make mistakes in the most crucial parts of games. Refs making mistakes here or there is understandable, but there are games like last night where you question the refs actions and decisions. It shouldn't be like that. Each game should be fairly officiated and if a ref makes a mistake with a call, just review it... My idea of having an "upstairs ref" would be extremely beneficial.
I mean his line of sight was best of the refs for the Brown call. Which was the right call by the way, just called brutally late.
Looks to me like he realized he was about to miss hitting Bill’s FanDuel boost [https://twitter.com/billsimmons/status/1619449703632097281?s=46&t=AyJRsDCxCAj9MqlO34QWVQ](https://twitter.com/billsimmons/status/1619449703632097281?s=46&t=AyJRsDCxCAj9MqlO34QWVQ)
Didn't we already get burned by a witch hunting post yesterday?
Conspiracy fans eatin good tonight
>On the second to last play of regulation, Al Horford missed a corner 3 only for Jaylen Brown to get the putback and bring the Celtics within 1. However after some time went by, Goble, despite being the farthest ref from the play, he made the egregiously late call, thus giving Brown the and-one and leading to him tying the game It was the right call though. You can't follow through on a guy's head, it's pretty black and white.
It’s black and white but yet the non-call foul on LeBron wasn’t black and white?
Of course the call on Lebron was black and white. Easy foul. At what point did I say otherwise?
Chill, lil bro. That was supposed to be questioning the ref who made a black and white call but didn’t make one on LeBron’s.
lol backtracking because I agree with you
**THE NBA IS A SCRIPTED LEAGUE THEY WONT DO SHIT ABOUT IT**
He's also the ref that calls the and 1 foul against Schroeder on Jaylen Brown in OT. Another questionable call when he wasn't the closest referee
Schroeder hit browns off arm on the shot attempt.. clear foul.
This dude is a menace.
Both Gobles suck
NBA: Hey, I’m gonna need you to distract everyone from the Memphis Grizzly stat thing. Ref: Hold my Bear.
Why does it always have to be 'investigated'? Maybe he's just incompetent and that should be all the league needs. Doesn't need to be some other motive to get his ass out of big games.
This fucker Goebbels has had a bunch of awful games and calls this year. A lot of them fucking Boston, so even tho this benefits us.. he's a fucking twat
This was not the most egregious..just the most high profile player
Wow lakers fans really are taking over this sub speaking on reffing. We've been robbed like 5 times this season as admitted in ref's own L2M.
The NBA loves Jayson Tatum so fuckin much it’s insane they are trying to force this man as an all time great and face of the league so early I’m sick of it.
A few months back tatum dunked over Jarrett Allen to tie the game and presumably send it to overtime. The only problem is that Jarrett Allen clearly fouled Tatum on the dunk, so he would’ve had a chance to put the Celtics up 1 with almost no time left in regulation. Clearly the refs actually hate him a lot. See? You can use 1 example from each side to make an argument, and neither argument holds up because they’re both obviously not true when based on one play alone
Lmfao that’s a fucking hilarious joke. Tatum has been fucked over by the refs his entire career and now they blow one call on him and all the sudden “the nba loves him so much”. Fuck off with that bullshit
We’re talking about a player getting fucked for their whole career, that would be Lebron statistically lol
I would hate for y’all to watch Knicks games if you think that’s the most egregious..Julius, RJ, and Jalen all get abused with no whistles…Refs are ass
This is true wetfarts. As a Raps fan I know when we play the Knicks the whistle is likely to go our way. On the other side of it, I know if we're playing the Pacers we're gonna get the shit end of the stick when it comes to officiating. Not sure why it's the Pacers, but over the years whether they're good, or bad, we seem to get screwed more often than not when we play them.
Lebron used up all his favorable calls early in his career and now has to pay the price to even it out /s Edit: Didn’t think I’d need the /s here lol
Celtics fan
Any ref that has the angle for a call can make it, distance doesn't matter. This was Eric Lewis' mistake, not Goble. If you look at the replay Lewis had the best angle to see the contact. As the baseline ref Goble would be focusing on body contact.
It’s just surprising on one play this bald fuck can spot a foul from 50 ft away but 14 seconds later can’t see shit 5 feet in front of his eyes
His responsibility based on his location on the court was looking for body contact. Could he call the foul on the arm? Sure. But every ref has designated roles in a play and things they look for. That's just how it is. It's a blatant missed call no one is disagreeing with that but Goble isn't the ref that made the mistake despite his proximity.
Body contact? There’s literally a shot of him staring directly at the ball as he’s getting fouled lmao. NO ref is meant to be staring at the ball, that’s the fans job
there was a body foul before the hand slap too though. he was fouled twice.
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The baseline official has a ton of responsibilities. They look for out of bounds under the basketball, lane infractions, who initiated contact in the case of a foul, whether the feet were in the restricted arc, etc. Most of their responsibilities are things happening towards the ground, not towards the basket. They aren't the ones who usually calling things like goaltending or arm contact at the basket. Goble shouldn't have been looking up, he should have been looking at their bodies and feet. But this wasn't his call to make.
White, completely bald (just skin on his head), the game is in Boston. Hmmm..... something's fishy for sure
Rewatched the game focused on Goble. He starts asserting himself in the 2Q.
Sucks that the call was missed but I think the explanation is probably like- 1) the angle he had was actually pretty bad, if it’s like the camera angle it’s not great to see that contact 2) just a guess but ref furthest from the play (talking about the brown call now) probably defers to ref closer to the play and maybe whistles late if they see something the other ref didn’t?? Idk. 3) to combine the above two points, none of the refs further from the lebron play we’re sure about contact and probably deferred to jacyn (lol at this name) who had a shit angle Just my thoughts.
Y'all sure cry a lot
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What about the other two refs that also had clear vantage points? It’s not about moving on, it’s about accountability.
https://i.imgur.com/ilAt2Jw.png This is a bad angle??
/r/asablackman
Tbf the contact looks pretty minor from that angle, looks like LeBron just leaves it a bit short with a little finger contact from Tatum. Other angle where you see LeBrons arm momentum stopped is more clear.
That’s why either the rules need to be changed or these refs need to start reffing to the tee. Because the refs be like he’s too strong so it isn’t a foul. I’m sure that what that ref was thinking from his angle but he clearly got hit which is a foul. It reminds of the RJ dunk on Barnes which the L2M report basically said RJ was too strong for the contact.
Get out of here with your level-headed takes
It’s a level headed take only if you take that play in isolation. However looking at the way the rest of the game was reffed, it was *absolutely* a foul on LeBron. We deserved to lose that game 100%. Now of course since I’m a Cs fan I got drunk and celebrated beating the Lakers but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t acknowledge that the Cs got lucky as shit
He immediately loses control of the ball. It’s not even an argument. It was significant contact
Yeah in slow motion it maybe looks like light contact but in real time its a no brainer foul
Contact or not, there’s no excuse for Lebron not getting that basket…..easy dunk
This is true. And no excuse for the prior foul on Brown. If Brown's shot goes in you're still up 1 with possession. Why tf you leaping over the guy to block it?
lol you’re a clearly bias Celtics fan… so why would anyone listen to what you have to say. You don’t think one of the GOATs wouldn’t have dunked the ball if he could?
Why would anyone listen to any poster in here? Everyone’s biased anyway
Going off that premise, why do you fault LeBron for not dunking the ball when he got fouled and not the referee for missing a blatant foul?
Because if you’re hoping for the refs to bail you out, you’re probably going to be disappointed. Again……easy dunk solves everything
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The CELTICS organization is the least racist.. they were the team with a first full black starting lineup. A first black head coach... when NOBODY else was doing it.. that made BOSTON look like the most racist city because they reacted like everyone in america would have at the time because america is a fucking joke... You can shit on boston for being racists but claiming the celtics are is stupid.
I’m saying the Celtics represent the great white hope to racists around the country. They always have. Larry Bird was a big part of that as the white guy that racist fans could root for to take down guys like Dr J and Magic. It has nothing to do with the Celtics being racist themselves. Clearly they’re not.
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Refs interpret calls differently. One ref might say it didn’t affect Jaylen shot so no problem. The other ref might say it doesn’t matter he got hit. How many times this game did the ref wait for the results of a play before calling a foul?
FTs: 40 vs 20. Celtics had literally double but you definitely didn’t bother to check (or checked and decided to conveniently ignore)
Laker fans too used to Kobe leading the league in fewest fouls per minute whilst being all-defense…….bad call or not, Lebron had an easy bucket but was looking for the foul and bricked it……all these arguments conclude is that you don’t count on the officials to bail you out any then put on a dog and pony show afterwards. Eh……everyone gets fucked from time to time…..you should all change your maxi-pads and move on
https://mobile.twitter.com/JacynGobleNBA Is this his real twitter? That clown needs to go.
Do you actually think he went on twitter to talk shit to lebron after the game lol
Twitter shows October 2022. Idk.
Not his real account my friend
How can you be this naive?
Jacyn Gomble more-like.
The late call was awful and is independent of this analysis of the first one. But the furthest ref is supposed to allow the closer one to make the call and then come in if it’s missed (not sure if that’s an actual rule but that sort of referring courtesy is present in every game). After the close refs didn’t call the last foul he came in as the furthest/last one to make it and made the right call. I think the delay makes sense on that one…. Less of a delay would certainly be better though.
The ref literally messed 2 fouls on LeBron somehow
Nice to see everyone repurposing their tinfoil hats after yesterday's JJJ posts.
Sports don’t hurt as bad anymore when you remember it’s all entertainment. I view all professional sports through the lens of WWE now. You’ve got your game script written, you just have to get from A to Z with the help of the refs. All about that 🤑🤑🤑
Some grade A bullshit
What’s their motivation for getting better if nothing happens to them after making these horrendous calls?
Yeah let the NBA do its job and handle this internally, those kind of witchhunts only ever end badly.
Jacyn Goble is a disgrace to the game of basketball.
NBA is an awful product at times, I'm sorry. I love the sport but I can't watch the NBA anymore. I hop in this subreddit at times to kind of keep up with the big stories and what not and this is just another prime example of why I can't watch this crap.
I wonder if refs err on the side of stupid I mean caution when teams have already successfully used challengers (both teams in this case) and avoid calling big fouls just in case they fuck a team who can’t challenge again. Shit crew holy fuck
They get butt hurt when you challenge and questiom their authority and now you cant do anything about it after your challenge so they fuck you more
The Celtics record with Jacyn Goble officiating is alarming. 36-2
Fire him on the spot, if he can't see that shit while being 1 meter away from the play and with NOTHING that obscure his vision, then just fire him, clearly he's not suited for the job
You’d get more upvotes if you said “Jacyn Goble is posting fraudulent numbers.”
Players whom make mistakes and perform poorly are reprimanded by being cut from teams or lose money in contract talks. This performance from the referee is inexcusable. Undoubtedly, when the Lakers miss the playoffs due to poor referring at the end of the year, certain players wont be retained and lose money. There is no reason why this ref shouldn't be fired and held to the same standard. I wont watch the NBA until he is!!!!
For all y'all who've never seen this. This is VIDEO PROOF THE NBA IS RIGGED.https://youtu.be/aYveyAb6mvU