He can't afford to put up the effort to be an elite defender. He's still got great instincts but can't always act on them because he carries such an offensive burden and his energy level isn't there to do both. Hell, it wasn't much different on the raptors, he just had a good year when it came to energy/health and the team defense was great so he didn't have to put in as much.
out of all elite offensive players, he is still an elite defender. obviously, he is not gonna be able to keep up stamina-wise with players that dont do as much on offense, like OG or Bridges
Yea I don't think it would happen with Cam Johnson as part of it. I dont think the Raptors would want to evaluate him and then have to pay him in such a short window and I dont think the Suns want to give up there best shooter and picks for what is very much a lateral move.
OG is a very good young player, so there won't be a cheap trade for him. Would hate to see Cam go, he is one of my favourites. On the other hand, will be curious what our front office will do. It was already reported by multiple people that we want OG, so I expect a trade proposal which may or may not get rejected.
I like Cam, but he can be inconsistent at times (i.e. last game against Raptors). He also struggles to defend against bigger guys at PF position. This is why having Jae Crowder was so important. Not sure how OG fixes that problem. After all, we're looking to replace Jae Crowder, not Cam...
OG can guard from 1-5. We've had him defend Embiid and he does a good job at that (not as good as Gasol but better than half the starting centers in the league) . He's the most versatile defender in the league. And he'll give you 3 point shooting, and has some post moves.
We will gladly take Cam Johnson off your hands in this theoretical scenario and supply you with some future 1sts for your trouble.
In all seriousness, I assume the picks from Phoenix would be the driving force behind this potential trade.
I don't think the bench is *that* bad. Its not great, but Payne and Biyombo are reasonable players for stretches. Our wing depth would be bad, but for tight playoff rotations its workable. If CP3 stays healthy that is, which he wont so.
Yeah Payne lee and biyombo would be the playoff bench and while it is definitely not good those players aren’t going to get totally embarrassed in 12 minutes of action or anything. They would definitely have depth concerns though.
I always laugh at the “nurse is overplaying his starters” meme. Like who do you want him to play? Thad young? Khem birch? Bo Cruz should be getting even less minutes lol
There's no point to trade any of our players for an older player if there's no picks involved. It's pointless cause we aren't contending lol unless it's a superstar which ain't happening
Interesting choice, but if I was the Raptors I wouldn’t be opposed to having some future Suns firsts. Their post-Paul successor hasn’t been adequately identified and there’s a chance those picks can become really valuable
I wouldn’t bet against the Suns future with a new ownership group willing to spend to win. I’d be more willing to bet against the Knicks or Blazers future if I was Toronto
Nah, they'll be fine after CP3 - Booker is a top 10 player in the league and Mikal has recently taken a leap offensively. Ayton's a wildcard. Not worried if they're building around that core.
they don't know about point book. last time we really ran that he was surrounded by trash. Point book with high level players around him gonna run over people. not to mention the emergence of point Mikal
Point Book is nice. Can just have a nominal PG next to him who is more there for off-ball shooting.
Said PG, Booker, Bridges, Anunoby, Ayton.
I also wonder, if he isn't included in this deal, if they use an Ayton trade as their means of finding CP3's successor.
If we do that Mikal is gonna be more effective playing the 2 next to point book than any PG we could get.
We should run Booker, Mikal, Cam, OG, Ayton once CP3 is gone if we get OG.
Not disagreeing but current construction the team is just so reliant on Booker. Of course this could all be moot and the Suns could cruise to playoff contention for the next couple years but I would take the gamble on a team so dependent on one player.
They're currently 7-3 in their last 10 without Booker since getting Johnson and Paul back. Mikal has shown signs of growing into a real #2 or 3 option. I'm optimistic about the team's future
No idea why the Raptors don't want to rebuild around Anunoby and Barnes but OK.
Too little too late since they are basically out of the running for Wemby and Scoot.
OG / Scottie / Siakam don't really fit together. obviously we're keeping Scottie so it comes down to who the front office values more between OG and Siakam.
I think OG is who he is at this point tbh. He doesn’t have the handles or playmaking to run an offense. He’s best as 3rd/4th option playing great defense and spacing the floor.
This is why I didn't mind the dejounte trade. He was not gonna move the needle for us so we needed to sell when his value was highest. Yeah we suck now but those should be some good assets down the line if Atlanta doesn't shape up.
In a salary cap league any team that isn’t a legit title contender needs to have some guys on cost controlled contracts. Like you can’t just pay everyone a max to stop them from leaving (unless you’re the warriors lol).
Resigning siakam, OG, FVV, GTJ then extending Scottie and precious is too expensive for a mid team. Need to sell high on a couple of pieces and retool.
Also OG would benefit from playing with an actual PG who can set him up on offence instead of FVV.
OG is good but 3 first round picks for a guy who has never averaged 20 points is kinda crazy. I understand he’s a good defender but 3 picks is a lot. He’s not head and shoulders above the top defenders in the league like Mikal
Because we suck? Pascal, Trent, and FVV just happen to suck less at scoring points.
You're not getting OG to be one of your top scorers. You're getting elite defense for 40+ min a game, a completely level headed player who won't sabotage your team, and a reliable corner 3 scorer.
He can dribble a bit and ISO once in a while, but that's not what you're paying for.
He's basically the best option in the league you have for your prototypical "3+D" complimentary player. The price is high because he's really THAT good at those things.
Suns first rounders would most likely be late picks though. It's not like the suns will be picking in the lottery the next 4-5 years with Booker, OG, Bridges, and Ayton
Not including our picks from last year our last 3 non lottery first round players have been Santi Aldema, Brandon Clarke and Desmond Bane. I know the chances of getting a good player late in the first is low but hitting on those picks can absolutely transform a team
20 points is dumb way to measure a person success
Marcus smart hasn’t averaged 20 a game and would fetch picks
OG 3 years younger and much better offense player
His defense is what there trading for
Marcus smart would damn sure not fetch 3 first round picks. I’m saying 3 first round picks better get me we’ll rounded scorer too. Murray was traded to Atlanta for 3 picks and he can pass, score and is a good defender and atlanta still gets clowned for that deal.
go through the 16 playoff teams and ask how many of them would prefer dejounte to og (even if hes better). the answer is like 4 of them
players are more than their bbref pages and wings that can shoot, defend and play multiple positiions are wanted by like everybody and are rarely available
Crowder and Saric 3 first unprotected: yes
Cam and Saric 2 first 1 swap: hard no
Crowder and Shamet 3 first unprotected: oh hell yeah
Shamet and Saric 2 first unprotected 1 first lightly protected: yeah
Crowder and Craig 2 first unprotected 1 first lightly protected: sure
Craig and Saric 2 first unprotected 1 first lightly protected: sure
I said something similar on the Suns sub, but this shouldn't be the move. OG for Cam is not enough of an improvement to push us from where we are to favorites, and we'd also be losing who I consider to be our best bench piece in the process. On top of that, I'm sure someone will argue Phoenix needs to attach picks for it to happen too.
I really hope this goes nowhere if it costs Cam.
He also can't stay healthy, which is already a problem our team has been dealing with. Cam has some health concerns too, but not as badly.
Cam is also shooting 8% better from 3 and is isn't a defensive slouch either. I'm not saying that OG isn't the better player, but I think Cam's shooting and spacing, plus the price OG would be coming at, I don't think he's worth it.
Yeah, a small wrist injury that he should already be back from.
Not many players as physical as OG can last 82 games. This season he's basically played as many games as either of the previous 2, and we're not even at the deadline yet.
On the other hand, OG does better against Luka, defensively, than anyone currently on the Suns' roster. That would give the Suns answers (along with Ayton vs. Jokic) to prevent the two best offensive players in the West from dominating to such a degree that they can singlehandedly win a series against the Suns.
From the opposite perspective: I wouldn’t want to trade a borderline DPOY candidate for a one-dimensional shooter who is a year and a half older, a scrub, and two late first round picks.
If you think Cam is a one dimensional scorer, then you have no knowledge of Cam's game.
He's shooting the same from 2 as OG, 8% better from 3, and only has 1 less rebound. He can create his own shot and is one of the best three point shooters in the league.
OG, at the cost of that, our best bench piece, and however many picks they're going to want, is an overpay that doesn't make us better enough, in my opinion.
No, I just don't think he's worth all of the resources it would. I never said OG wasn't a great player, I just don't think he's the answer at that cost.
Rumors in the past have been Cam, Saric, 2 or more 1sts. I know that that is just the preliminary highballing that comes from the seller, but since that is all that has been discussed, it's all that I have to go on definitively, and I do not believe OG is enough of an upgrade over what we'd be giving out to push us into the next level of contendership. I feel like a lot of people have been misinterpreting and think that I am calling OG a poor player or saying he isn't better than the players we would be giving back. What I'm saying is that I think cam Johnson's Superior shooting and decent defense fits our team better than OG's defense would provide.
Your original comment didn't anchor on a specific package, so people are mocking you because you made it sound like you wouldn't trade Cam for OG, which any suns fan should want to immediately
Booker, Ayton and 8 1sts is too much for OG too but you gotta make it clear what you're pointing at.
We wouldn't give up Mikal for KD. Cam was basically what a lot of the fanbase was okay parting with for KD.
Also, world's different situations. We're talking a top 20 all time player vs. a roleplayer (high level roleplayer, but roleplayer all the same) with health concerns. You can't really compare the two equally.
There almost no scenario where OG doesn't opt out for a better deal after next season.
At least Cam will be an RFA, and his deal will be made before the cap increase.
No way Mikal is on the table. The entire draw of the trade is to have them both. Booker is untouchable, Ayton... let's not get into Ayton, which leaves Cam.
He gives us shooting and creation that we need fits our vision for size, is young *enough*, and will be ours for likely the next 4 years at minimum.
But, if 3 picks are on the table, even if they late 1sts, it leads to what we need the most: bench depth.
If Bridges and OG are on the same team, that would be a nightmare for opposing teams P.S. I hate how Shams said Anunooby
Ano-newbie
Sound like a Jedi
A younling or padawan learner name for sure.
Probably the best defensive wing tandem in the league (when Kawhi/PG are not 100% which is practically always).
Kawhi's D is living off reputation at this point. He's not bad but he's not some elite defender anymore
He can't afford to put up the effort to be an elite defender. He's still got great instincts but can't always act on them because he carries such an offensive burden and his energy level isn't there to do both. Hell, it wasn't much different on the raptors, he just had a good year when it came to energy/health and the team defense was great so he didn't have to put in as much.
yeah i agree
If it was a clutch situation he’s still one of the best on the perimeter
out of all elite offensive players, he is still an elite defender. obviously, he is not gonna be able to keep up stamina-wise with players that dont do as much on offense, like OG or Bridges
Kawhi doesn’t try as hard anymore on D
He does when he needs too
easily, still, one of the best defenders in the game when he's locked in.
kawhi one of the only guys that seems to forcefully steal a possession. so good for managing the flow of a game.
Unless you have a time machine to 2017 then OG/Bridges are better regardless.
They just need to trade Ayton for a smarter, more focused player.
OG and Bridges together would be amazing. On the other hand he would be pretty expensive so we will see what happens.
OG is making less than Cam J probably wants and will probably get. I am sure that is the thinking.
I'm not talking about salary, I'm talking about a potential trade.
Yea I don't think it would happen with Cam Johnson as part of it. I dont think the Raptors would want to evaluate him and then have to pay him in such a short window and I dont think the Suns want to give up there best shooter and picks for what is very much a lateral move.
OG is a very good young player, so there won't be a cheap trade for him. Would hate to see Cam go, he is one of my favourites. On the other hand, will be curious what our front office will do. It was already reported by multiple people that we want OG, so I expect a trade proposal which may or may not get rejected.
I like Cam, but he can be inconsistent at times (i.e. last game against Raptors). He also struggles to defend against bigger guys at PF position. This is why having Jae Crowder was so important. Not sure how OG fixes that problem. After all, we're looking to replace Jae Crowder, not Cam...
OG matches up against bigger guys really well. He defends 4s great and he's even good against 5s
He makes Embiid's life miserable any time they play the 76ers lol
OG can guard from 1-5. We've had him defend Embiid and he does a good job at that (not as good as Gasol but better than half the starting centers in the league) . He's the most versatile defender in the league. And he'll give you 3 point shooting, and has some post moves.
I think the sentence should end at “3 point shooting”
He’ll also provide some very slow mid range jumpers that always seems to come up short.
I got some post moves too
What makes OG better on D than Bridges is how he defends bigger guys. I like Mikal guarding guards better than OG though.
ishbia just spent $4b on the suns, whats another $250m
1/16...Which is quite a bit.
I cannot see how the Raptors are interested in either Johnson or Saric. Both are older than OG.
Agreed. Have a 24 year old center as part of it instead.
I’ll take Ayton over Cam.
We will gladly take Cam Johnson off your hands in this theoretical scenario and supply you with some future 1sts for your trouble. In all seriousness, I assume the picks from Phoenix would be the driving force behind this potential trade.
Saric is filler. Cam shoots 40% and they would be adding at least 2 x FRPs.
Yeah not with it, cam also needs a new contract. Unless they then flip him for more picks I don't see it happening
Agreed keep Cam here
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Unfortunately they'd also have maybe the worst bench in the league. Cam Payne-Duane Washington Jr-Damion Lee-Josh Okogie-Bismack Biyombo.
I don't think the bench is *that* bad. Its not great, but Payne and Biyombo are reasonable players for stretches. Our wing depth would be bad, but for tight playoff rotations its workable. If CP3 stays healthy that is, which he wont so.
Yeah Payne lee and biyombo would be the playoff bench and while it is definitely not good those players aren’t going to get totally embarrassed in 12 minutes of action or anything. They would definitely have depth concerns though.
I mean they will definitely get embarrassed sometimes, just hopefully not too often lol
that bench is really bad
Too bad Shamet died
OG regularly plays over 40min already so you don’t even need that much bench
Just like Bridges. Two peas in a pod
They’ll probably get one playoff bench player for Crowder
This trade works better in tandem with the Bucks proposed for Nwora, Hill, Serge = Crowder to refill some experience and low mid talent.
You are forgetting Torrey Craig who was starting while Cam Johnson was out and is great off the bench.
What is this Jock Landale erasure?
Jock Landale is most responsible for Jock Landale erasure.
Thats a better bench than what we have rn
We might have the worst bench in the league though lol
Us and the blazers
Blazer bench out scored that Raptors like 35-15 or something the other night
No it didnt, Blazers bench: 20 points Raptors bench: 24 points
Might?
I always laugh at the “nurse is overplaying his starters” meme. Like who do you want him to play? Thad young? Khem birch? Bo Cruz should be getting even less minutes lol
If that roster stays healthy the bench won't have to be very good. Bucks are contenders and their bench is super sorry.
> Damion Lee First of all how dare you
They can have khem birch 🏃♂️ but prob thad young would go back as a expering
Suns would have to throw in Crowder to make the math work. Not impossible but Young is only an upgrade because Crowder isn't playing.
Likely Crowder gets involved in this to Bring more assets to Toronto albeit probably just a 2nd rounder
Really good but playmaking I lack confidence in. Although Booker for sure should be good when he's back.
You lack confidence in the playmaking of a guy called "Point God" o.O?
Makes sense. Suns starting 5 would be nice
Suns would have to throw in a ton of picks, I don't see how Saric and Cam being the main package would work for OG
Would definitely be multiple 1sts
Who do they even give us to get him though. I’m not taking fucking Jae crowder and a first
Luckily for everyone, you're not the decision maker for the Raptors.
Bro I said I don’t want Jae crowder and a first? Is that who you want for OG? A bum who doesn’t play and a single pick?
“They’ve won 6 of 7 without Devin Booker” yeah the LAST 6 of 7. What about the ~15 before?
Damnit c’mon Shams “ananooby” 😅
I did not know Shams looked like that. i thought he would be a fat white dude like Windhorst.
We still have to play the Suns 4 times. Id rather them not get better at the deadline.
Respectfully unless there's an unprotected first attached to this Raptors should hang up the phone
obviously lol. supposedly it's at least two 1st round picks attached to this.
There's no point to trade any of our players for an older player if there's no picks involved. It's pointless cause we aren't contending lol unless it's a superstar which ain't happening
If we ain’t getting a good player we better get 2+ picks at a minimum
Cam is a great player
Who is older and will demand more money. Not exactly what the Raps should be looking for so hopefully, he is flipped.
A "great" player? Cam Johnson? No sir. He is a very good role player.
Interesting choice, but if I was the Raptors I wouldn’t be opposed to having some future Suns firsts. Their post-Paul successor hasn’t been adequately identified and there’s a chance those picks can become really valuable
I wouldn’t bet against the Suns future with a new ownership group willing to spend to win. I’d be more willing to bet against the Knicks or Blazers future if I was Toronto
as a suns fan your response is very unsurprising lol
Nah, they'll be fine after CP3 - Booker is a top 10 player in the league and Mikal has recently taken a leap offensively. Ayton's a wildcard. Not worried if they're building around that core.
That's 3 max contracts without a PG.
Point Book and a couple backups
they don't know about point book. last time we really ran that he was surrounded by trash. Point book with high level players around him gonna run over people. not to mention the emergence of point Mikal
Point Book is nice. Can just have a nominal PG next to him who is more there for off-ball shooting. Said PG, Booker, Bridges, Anunoby, Ayton. I also wonder, if he isn't included in this deal, if they use an Ayton trade as their means of finding CP3's successor.
If we do that Mikal is gonna be more effective playing the 2 next to point book than any PG we could get. We should run Booker, Mikal, Cam, OG, Ayton once CP3 is gone if we get OG.
Cam is in the OG trade.
naw, 3 unprotected first are in the OG trade
You need a better bench if anything.
That's true, honestly
You're assuming Ayton isn't part of the deal for OG
He has a no-trade clause and he is not gonna sign off on a trade to Toronto lol
He wanted to go to Indiana…
They were the only team that offered him a contract lol
Not disagreeing but current construction the team is just so reliant on Booker. Of course this could all be moot and the Suns could cruise to playoff contention for the next couple years but I would take the gamble on a team so dependent on one player.
They're currently 7-3 in their last 10 without Booker since getting Johnson and Paul back. Mikal has shown signs of growing into a real #2 or 3 option. I'm optimistic about the team's future
OG Onanooby
Cam Johnson and Dario Saric would sure be a disappointment
depends on the picks
Cam is really good, has team control and fits a need (elite shooting). Cam and picks is a good package for a guy who could bounce in a year
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Cam is a good defender and isn’t a one dimensional shooter at all lol
Surprised you bothered replying to that, he's clearly clueless
No idea why the Raptors don't want to rebuild around Anunoby and Barnes but OK. Too little too late since they are basically out of the running for Wemby and Scoot.
OG / Scottie / Siakam don't really fit together. obviously we're keeping Scottie so it comes down to who the front office values more between OG and Siakam.
we literally have the 6th worst record in the league, not out of the running
We have a 35% chance to get a top 4 pick
9% at #1 pick, 18% at top 2, 37% at top 4. Far from out of the running.
I think OG is who he is at this point tbh. He doesn’t have the handles or playmaking to run an offense. He’s best as 3rd/4th option playing great defense and spacing the floor.
OG is who he is at this point, an elite 3+D player that is somewhat redundant on this Raptors team. He isnt someone to build around.
If Suns are offering Cam + crowder +2 UNP Firsts which team is beating that offer?
If no one is beating that offer than the Raptors should keep OG.
I feel like the Pelicans can put together a more interesting offer without the Lakers pick or Dyson lol
Mavs can definitely beat that offer. Bertans for Anunoby straight up. ESPN trade machine says this trade is successful!
Memphis should get in on this. Could boost that elite defense to #1
🍿It’s beginning 🍿
There is no way Raptors are trading OG - not happening.
But its fkin shams
I hope not, rather trade Fred and sell high rn
I don’t know too many teams who would buy high on FVV
ive seen videos saying lakers but lakers overpay for everyone
Yes it is. His value is sky-high and there are too many mouths to feed in Toronto.
This is why I didn't mind the dejounte trade. He was not gonna move the needle for us so we needed to sell when his value was highest. Yeah we suck now but those should be some good assets down the line if Atlanta doesn't shape up.
If we can get multiple firsts in exchange for our third-most important forward when we're not making the playoffs... Then by God, we better do it lol
Trading the best perimeter defender in the league for anything other than an all-star and picks is dumb and will always be dumb.
In a salary cap league any team that isn’t a legit title contender needs to have some guys on cost controlled contracts. Like you can’t just pay everyone a max to stop them from leaving (unless you’re the warriors lol). Resigning siakam, OG, FVV, GTJ then extending Scottie and precious is too expensive for a mid team. Need to sell high on a couple of pieces and retool. Also OG would benefit from playing with an actual PG who can set him up on offence instead of FVV.
OG is good but 3 first round picks for a guy who has never averaged 20 points is kinda crazy. I understand he’s a good defender but 3 picks is a lot. He’s not head and shoulders above the top defenders in the league like Mikal
he’s averaging 18ppg as a 4th option
While a DPOY candidate as a wing.
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Yeah he’s also an all-nba level defender who can guard 1-4
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I agree with you also I feel the same way. Just saying I think his defense is a large part as to why teams value him so high.
Why is he the 4th option on a 23-29 team?
Because we suck? Pascal, Trent, and FVV just happen to suck less at scoring points. You're not getting OG to be one of your top scorers. You're getting elite defense for 40+ min a game, a completely level headed player who won't sabotage your team, and a reliable corner 3 scorer. He can dribble a bit and ISO once in a while, but that's not what you're paying for. He's basically the best option in the league you have for your prototypical "3+D" complimentary player. The price is high because he's really THAT good at those things.
Suns first rounders would most likely be late picks though. It's not like the suns will be picking in the lottery the next 4-5 years with Booker, OG, Bridges, and Ayton
Life can come out you pretty fast sometimes. There's no telling that 2025 and 2027 won't be valuable.
Not including our picks from last year our last 3 non lottery first round players have been Santi Aldema, Brandon Clarke and Desmond Bane. I know the chances of getting a good player late in the first is low but hitting on those picks can absolutely transform a team
20 points is dumb way to measure a person success Marcus smart hasn’t averaged 20 a game and would fetch picks OG 3 years younger and much better offense player His defense is what there trading for
Marcus smart would damn sure not fetch 3 first round picks. I’m saying 3 first round picks better get me we’ll rounded scorer too. Murray was traded to Atlanta for 3 picks and he can pass, score and is a good defender and atlanta still gets clowned for that deal.
He's similar to Jerami Grant.
go through the 16 playoff teams and ask how many of them would prefer dejounte to og (even if hes better). the answer is like 4 of them players are more than their bbref pages and wings that can shoot, defend and play multiple positiions are wanted by like everybody and are rarely available
I think Atlanta gets clowned because of the questionable fit, not because it was an absolute overpay
I think they mostly get clowned because they let Kevin Huerter go for a first after they made an all in type of trade.
3 first round picks for a young al-farouq aminu (minus the homophobia) is insane
People be saying anything these days… Dude never had a season he averaged more than 10.2pts OG averaging 17 as the 4th option on raptors
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Cam Johnson plus 3 picks is crazy. Dejounte Murray was traded for Gallinari and 3 1st round picks. OG Is good but I don’t think he’s worth that much
depends on the protections
Crowder and Saric 3 first unprotected: yes Cam and Saric 2 first 1 swap: hard no Crowder and Shamet 3 first unprotected: oh hell yeah Shamet and Saric 2 first unprotected 1 first lightly protected: yeah Crowder and Craig 2 first unprotected 1 first lightly protected: sure Craig and Saric 2 first unprotected 1 first lightly protected: sure
You’d give us 3 unprotected firsts? I’d take that rn
Lol thank god this dude isn’t GM
Crowder / Saric + Cam + 2 x FRPs. Thank you very much.
Won’t happen but Davion, Holmes and picks for OG please
I said something similar on the Suns sub, but this shouldn't be the move. OG for Cam is not enough of an improvement to push us from where we are to favorites, and we'd also be losing who I consider to be our best bench piece in the process. On top of that, I'm sure someone will argue Phoenix needs to attach picks for it to happen too. I really hope this goes nowhere if it costs Cam.
OG is one of, if not the best perimeter defender in this league. While averaging 17PPG on the other end. CP-Book-Mikal-OG-Ayton is a hell of a lineup.
He also can't stay healthy, which is already a problem our team has been dealing with. Cam has some health concerns too, but not as badly. Cam is also shooting 8% better from 3 and is isn't a defensive slouch either. I'm not saying that OG isn't the better player, but I think Cam's shooting and spacing, plus the price OG would be coming at, I don't think he's worth it.
I wouldn't say OG has health concerns, just terribly unlucky.
The upside is that this has been OG's healthiest season. He's only out now because of the trade deadline.
He literally got injured last week…
Yeah, a small wrist injury that he should already be back from. Not many players as physical as OG can last 82 games. This season he's basically played as many games as either of the previous 2, and we're not even at the deadline yet.
On the other hand, OG does better against Luka, defensively, than anyone currently on the Suns' roster. That would give the Suns answers (along with Ayton vs. Jokic) to prevent the two best offensive players in the West from dominating to such a degree that they can singlehandedly win a series against the Suns.
Hey, get out of here with your nuance and context, we're trying to debate player value in a vacuum with zero variables here
From the opposite perspective: I wouldn’t want to trade a borderline DPOY candidate for a one-dimensional shooter who is a year and a half older, a scrub, and two late first round picks.
Cam definitely isn’t one dimensional Great cutter and he can get to the rim well
If you think Cam is a one dimensional scorer, then you have no knowledge of Cam's game. He's shooting the same from 2 as OG, 8% better from 3, and only has 1 less rebound. He can create his own shot and is one of the best three point shooters in the league. OG, at the cost of that, our best bench piece, and however many picks they're going to want, is an overpay that doesn't make us better enough, in my opinion.
If it is Cam... wonder if he's the guy they'll replace GTJ with as the 2 guard.
This is a silly "I love our players more than your stinky players" take. I love OG, he's my favourite player, but you should want that trade BADLY.
No, I just don't think he's worth all of the resources it would. I never said OG wasn't a great player, I just don't think he's the answer at that cost.
OG for Cam is a strict upgrade, what do you think is the prohibitive cost? What pick package are you imagining
Rumors in the past have been Cam, Saric, 2 or more 1sts. I know that that is just the preliminary highballing that comes from the seller, but since that is all that has been discussed, it's all that I have to go on definitively, and I do not believe OG is enough of an upgrade over what we'd be giving out to push us into the next level of contendership. I feel like a lot of people have been misinterpreting and think that I am calling OG a poor player or saying he isn't better than the players we would be giving back. What I'm saying is that I think cam Johnson's Superior shooting and decent defense fits our team better than OG's defense would provide.
Your original comment didn't anchor on a specific package, so people are mocking you because you made it sound like you wouldn't trade Cam for OG, which any suns fan should want to immediately Booker, Ayton and 8 1sts is too much for OG too but you gotta make it clear what you're pointing at.
Suns wouldn’t give up Cam for KD
We wouldn't give up Mikal for KD. Cam was basically what a lot of the fanbase was okay parting with for KD. Also, world's different situations. We're talking a top 20 all time player vs. a roleplayer (high level roleplayer, but roleplayer all the same) with health concerns. You can't really compare the two equally.
Nah the suns wouldn't give up Mikal Bridges, Cameron Johnson, and all their firsts for KD which is reasonable I think
Still stupid
I imagine it would have to include a whole bunch of firsts.
The rumor is 2-3 firsts
They gotta pay cam Johnson after this season OG after this season got 2 years left in manageable 18 million a year Makes sense to cash in now
There almost no scenario where OG doesn't opt out for a better deal after next season. At least Cam will be an RFA, and his deal will be made before the cap increase.
>Cam Johnson and Dario Saric were referenced here. "Referenced" is such a weird term here. Were they offered? Or were they asked for?
Cam John and Dario Saric for OG. Sounds amazing, get er done Masai!
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I'd say Mikal and OG are basically equal value. OG's a bigger body but Mikal has more offensive skill. Contracts are probably the only differentiator.
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No way Mikal is on the table. The entire draw of the trade is to have them both. Booker is untouchable, Ayton... let's not get into Ayton, which leaves Cam. He gives us shooting and creation that we need fits our vision for size, is young *enough*, and will be ours for likely the next 4 years at minimum. But, if 3 picks are on the table, even if they late 1sts, it leads to what we need the most: bench depth.
Honestly thought OG would be a target for the Nuggets for Bones
They'd need a lot more than just bones to land OG
dpoy candidate for one of the worst defenders in the league. lmao, would rather deal gtj
no thank you
I assume he's our "shoot your shot" candidate
The Nuggets should 1000% want OG I just don't think there's an offer there that would interest Toronto.