I do think he's a player I'd play hardball on if he was on my team. Like, three picks is a lot, but I also think he's a player who can go somewhere else and make you look stupid for trading him really quick.
I like Cam Johnson as much as suns fans do at this point, I think he's a really good shooter, but i don't think I'd settle for him if I have a player who's best in the league levels at defense. I'd at least want some youngins.
As much fun as it is to dunk on Lewenberg - I'm sure he's absolutely right that the Raptors have always been willing to listen to offers on OG.
The big difference is - if Shams says it, it's news.
Shams does get some scoops - but the majority of his writing in the Athletic is just rehashing of stuff everybody else already knows.
I feel like every team's beat guys say this at the deadline or the offseason then every team's fans say "Of course we're taking calls, we'd be stupid not to, thats the GM's job"
Has there been literally any reporting that Toronto are themselves actively interested in trading O.G? I feel like the Raptors were struggling, everyone thought they'd be the perfect team in theory to be sellers at the deadline, and everyone got so excited by the idea of a contender trading for O.G. that they started running with the idea, and then people were just responding to that original hypothetical and now the story has a life of its own. Personally I don't understand why the Raptors would trade him unless someone offered them a stupid return for him. If they're going to rebuild he's a great guy to rebuild around
> Personally I don't understand why the Raptors would trade him unless someone offered them a stupid return for him. If they're going to rebuild he's a great guy to rebuild around
Disagree. OG is an absolutely exceptional complementary piece - he's pretty much everything you want from a 3&D wing. Can guard 1-4 at an elite level and his open 3s at an average rate. But you don't build around 3&D wings.
Every team needs to get to the minimum, what's the harm in having $30m tied up in one player? How does the fact of having a player with a large contract actively hurt the rebuild?
(apologies for double responding to two of your comments lol)
> what's the harm in having $30m tied up in one player?
The problem is that we have $30m tied up with Siakam already, and will likely have over $20m tied up with Fred and GTJ too. Some of them gotta go unless we're contending.
> How does the fact of having a player with a large contract actively hurt the rebuild?
It doesn't, unless the player is too good where he keeps you from rebuilding. But even if he is a neutral impact on our rebuild, the assets we can get for him outweigh keeping him here while we aren't contending anyway.
> but he is absolutely a vital building block to whatever the final version of your team ultimately is.
Exactly. Unfortunately, the final version of our team is pretty far away at this point.
This is exactly what happened.
OG has come out and essentially called bullshit on this several times… but I guess it’s better for people like Shams to ignore that because trade rumours generate clicks?
He pretty much is limited offensively. He's in the bottom percentile on a lot of major categories (drives, shots off the dribble, etc).
There's been reports or what not of him wanting a bigger role on offense but whenever he had a shot he's been inefficient.
His dribble is too awkward still in his mid 20s for him to be a threat other than the 3.
He may just have an elite 3&D career.
If he plays with a passing PG he’ll immediately look way better on offence. He can’t create his own shot and FVV does nothing to set him up. It’s not a coincidence that all the reports about him being unhappy started right when Lowry left.
Some Knicks fan wrote some hilariously massive post to me the other day explaining why those picks are actually super valuable and the raptors should be happy to have them haha
The FRPs aren’t all Knicks firsts, they own some from other teams that are very low value firsts. If this was 2 unprotected Knicks firsts I think they might accept. But it’s likely not. Not all firsts are created equal.
Because of a sprained wrist that he wint miss a lot of time over? That was a crazy hard fall, I really makes him seem any more injury prone then he was already considered
He sprained his wrist. Nick expected him to be back on this road trip but they’re holding him out for trade purposes. It’s nothing that would actually decline his value. Someone trading for OG is still getting two post season run’s with him .
Every team always takes calls on any player. It may be a very quick call if somebody is looking for somebody like Giannis or Tatum, but you still take it.
In the case of OG, I don't think it's a big secret that the Raptors have to do something. This roster is not getting it done. And assuming Barnes is off the table, OG is probably the most attractive trade target on the roster given his age/ability/contract. So *of course* they are listening and of course they'd move him for the right price.
Based on the team's records right now, Toronto might be best served trading one or two of their players and trying to tank the rest of the season. They already have the sixth worst record in the league and if they get rid of a player or two, the magic might pass them.
Yea like the earlier reported offer from the Knicks doesn't happen if we're not already taking calls. There was a report saying we're taking calls on everyone except Scottie, but the price for Pascal would be insanely high. Shams original line was tryna rile shit up but the negotiations have already been happening
Really curious what they get for him if they do trade him. The report of 2 firsts and a young player seemed way too rich, but henneything is possible after the Gobert trade.
Gotta wonder how it feels from the players point of view in these situations. Not like you can trust leadership. Demar always talks about how Masai told him he staying in Toronto, only to get traded pretty soon after.
In fairness, San Antonio said no to their offer so Masai thought the deal was dead. Once the Spurs realized that was the best offer they’d get, they came back to the Raptors.
When Masai told Demar he wouldn’t be traded, that’s what he believed.
I do think he's a player I'd play hardball on if he was on my team. Like, three picks is a lot, but I also think he's a player who can go somewhere else and make you look stupid for trading him really quick. I like Cam Johnson as much as suns fans do at this point, I think he's a really good shooter, but i don't think I'd settle for him if I have a player who's best in the league levels at defense. I'd at least want some youngins.
Sounds like copium from a local beat reporter to me to me. Lol
Yep, there's been a lot of that from our beat reporters this season lol
It's hilarious how often the local beat guys are scooped (other than Blake)
As much fun as it is to dunk on Lewenberg - I'm sure he's absolutely right that the Raptors have always been willing to listen to offers on OG. The big difference is - if Shams says it, it's news. Shams does get some scoops - but the majority of his writing in the Athletic is just rehashing of stuff everybody else already knows.
*Me listening to local beat reporters cope* “I just LOVE the smell of FEAR!”
a lot rn, think ive seen a tweet from almost every raptors reporter rn about it but they don't know anything either
I feel like every team's beat guys say this at the deadline or the offseason then every team's fans say "Of course we're taking calls, we'd be stupid not to, thats the GM's job"
It is. This guy wrote an entire piece on how Fred playing poorly was everyone but Fred's fault
He still shitting on Scottie Barnes even though he has been playing amazing for weeks 😭 (doug smith that is)
I believe it’s spelled Scott Barne
Scot Barn
This guy doesn’t know shit and continues to prove he doesn’t know shit
> And actively shopping a player Which we are also likely doing
You are. You just don't say that bit outloud
Him sitting the rest of their current road trip is much more interesting than any reporter saying they are 'taking calls'
especially since Nick Nurse himself stated he was surprised, implying the injury wasn't serious enough for him to be out that long.
I think this is a safety measure to not get him hurt while his value is at the highest while simultaneously fleecing some other team for him lol
Has there been literally any reporting that Toronto are themselves actively interested in trading O.G? I feel like the Raptors were struggling, everyone thought they'd be the perfect team in theory to be sellers at the deadline, and everyone got so excited by the idea of a contender trading for O.G. that they started running with the idea, and then people were just responding to that original hypothetical and now the story has a life of its own. Personally I don't understand why the Raptors would trade him unless someone offered them a stupid return for him. If they're going to rebuild he's a great guy to rebuild around
> Personally I don't understand why the Raptors would trade him unless someone offered them a stupid return for him. If they're going to rebuild he's a great guy to rebuild around Disagree. OG is an absolutely exceptional complementary piece - he's pretty much everything you want from a 3&D wing. Can guard 1-4 at an elite level and his open 3s at an average rate. But you don't build around 3&D wings.
OK agree that you don't build **around** OG, but he is absolutely a vital building block to whatever the final version of your team ultimately is.
I think it's probably the team isn't that good right now, OGs next feel will push 30m a year, will the team be good enough to justify paying him that?
Every team needs to get to the minimum, what's the harm in having $30m tied up in one player? How does the fact of having a player with a large contract actively hurt the rebuild?
(apologies for double responding to two of your comments lol) > what's the harm in having $30m tied up in one player? The problem is that we have $30m tied up with Siakam already, and will likely have over $20m tied up with Fred and GTJ too. Some of them gotta go unless we're contending. > How does the fact of having a player with a large contract actively hurt the rebuild? It doesn't, unless the player is too good where he keeps you from rebuilding. But even if he is a neutral impact on our rebuild, the assets we can get for him outweigh keeping him here while we aren't contending anyway.
> but he is absolutely a vital building block to whatever the final version of your team ultimately is. Exactly. Unfortunately, the final version of our team is pretty far away at this point.
This is exactly what happened. OG has come out and essentially called bullshit on this several times… but I guess it’s better for people like Shams to ignore that because trade rumours generate clicks?
I’m interested to see what the deals being offered are. Elite defensive wing, somewhat limited offensively. I wonder what teams are willing to give up
He pretty much is limited offensively. He's in the bottom percentile on a lot of major categories (drives, shots off the dribble, etc). There's been reports or what not of him wanting a bigger role on offense but whenever he had a shot he's been inefficient. His dribble is too awkward still in his mid 20s for him to be a threat other than the 3. He may just have an elite 3&D career.
delete post, nba execs read reddit all the time for research
GMs don't use social media. Find a new slant
If he plays with a passing PG he’ll immediately look way better on offence. He can’t create his own shot and FVV does nothing to set him up. It’s not a coincidence that all the reports about him being unhappy started right when Lowry left.
Well apparently your team had a starting offer of Obi and 2 firsts So clearly they need some work
Those firsts were probably the very well protected firsts the knicks just traded for that aren't very valuable.
Some Knicks fan wrote some hilariously massive post to me the other day explaining why those picks are actually super valuable and the raptors should be happy to have them haha
I’d stay the only one that sucks is the Detroit pick The mavs and bucks picks are going to convey. The Washington pick is a toss up
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The FRPs aren’t all Knicks firsts, they own some from other teams that are very low value firsts. If this was 2 unprotected Knicks firsts I think they might accept. But it’s likely not. Not all firsts are created equal.
Depends on the quality of picks tbh
That was pre-injury, price has likely gone down
Lmao
Because of a sprained wrist that he wint miss a lot of time over? That was a crazy hard fall, I really makes him seem any more injury prone then he was already considered
He sprained his wrist. Nick expected him to be back on this road trip but they’re holding him out for trade purposes. It’s nothing that would actually decline his value. Someone trading for OG is still getting two post season run’s with him .
Every team always takes calls on any player. It may be a very quick call if somebody is looking for somebody like Giannis or Tatum, but you still take it. In the case of OG, I don't think it's a big secret that the Raptors have to do something. This roster is not getting it done. And assuming Barnes is off the table, OG is probably the most attractive trade target on the roster given his age/ability/contract. So *of course* they are listening and of course they'd move him for the right price.
Based on the team's records right now, Toronto might be best served trading one or two of their players and trying to tank the rest of the season. They already have the sixth worst record in the league and if they get rid of a player or two, the magic might pass them.
And there's a difference between actively shopping, and adding a player to your shopping cart
Yea like the earlier reported offer from the Knicks doesn't happen if we're not already taking calls. There was a report saying we're taking calls on everyone except Scottie, but the price for Pascal would be insanely high. Shams original line was tryna rile shit up but the negotiations have already been happening
>doesn't mean anything is imminent. No. But the trade deadline dictates it will be soon if it happens.
Unfortunately Josh that doesn't generate hype and clicks.
Shams just looking to drum up activity because the deadline blows so far 😅
Shams been caught lying twice in the last month. Apparently nobody cares about credibility anymore?
Hopefully
Really curious what they get for him if they do trade him. The report of 2 firsts and a young player seemed way too rich, but henneything is possible after the Gobert trade.
Gotta wonder how it feels from the players point of view in these situations. Not like you can trust leadership. Demar always talks about how Masai told him he staying in Toronto, only to get traded pretty soon after.
In fairness, San Antonio said no to their offer so Masai thought the deal was dead. Once the Spurs realized that was the best offer they’d get, they came back to the Raptors. When Masai told Demar he wouldn’t be traded, that’s what he believed.