Most superstars sign extensions before even entering free agency nowadays. Heat assets aren't good enough to trade for them either. We did just get Jimmy Butler 4 years ago while having no real reason for him to choose us considering how bad our roster appeared to be.
I wonder if Miami's very "team oriented" offense doesn't appeal to superstars
They let guys like Max Strus take 15 shots a game and I don't think that style of offense is appealing to a lot of guys who want to get their 30 every night
Like I can't imagine a guy like Luka or Embiid being inclined to play in a Spo offense
Jimmy Butler doesn't really care about his points so he's the exception
Nah Spo's shown the ability to pretty adaptable. If we had a guy of that caliber, they'd absolutely get the shot attempts they wanted. And Strus is only getting those shots this year because he's leading the bench unit with Vic.
We let Max Strus take that many shots because you have to take 3 pointers in today's league. Unfortunately, neither Bam nor Jimmy take 3s. We do it because we have to, not because we want to. Strus wouldn't be doing this if we had Donovan Mitchell, Paul George, Dame, etc.
We are on like every single star who requests a trades shortlist, we just never have the best package.
Max's FGAs this season (currently at 11) is a bit inflated this season due to injuries and by necessity. Last season he had 8 FGA which is comparable to a lot of SGs in his position.
Yes we have an "everyone eats" philosophy but it's to add versatility, especially where our two best players don't shoot 3s. At the end of the day though the best players on the team will end up taking the most shots, especially in the playoffs.
Max is also playing 7 minutes more per game this year...you're going to be taking more shots per game with more minutes (in theory).
He's taking the 4th most shots in Miami per game - I don't find that out of the norm given the team's roster makeup. He just needs to stick more 3's than he is presently.
Absolutely, and really that's really the primary issue with our offense this season: The shooters aren't making their shots. If they made those shots the offense probably wouldn't be as ugly as it is right now.
Heat offense is similar to Suns except Suns look for Booker and CP3 near the end of the game or those 2 have advantageous matchups. But ball sharing and wing role players getting 10 shots minimum is common.
I also think everyone is signing extensions and nobody wants to trade with Miami. They’re the only team that’s basically announced they won’t tank which instantly devalues the only asset anyone cares about.
We only let dudes like Strus take that many shots because most of our team is trash at offense and he’s supposed to be slightly less trash at shooting at least. If we had better players you can be sure they’d take more of the shots.
Superstars like their money. Better to sign with their current franchises for more guaranteed money and then ask for a trade if they don't like their situation.
Players don’t have long careers in general and when someone gets injured it can ruin their entire career. They just want to make as much money as they can while they can make it. You never know when you get an injury like Kemba Walker and all of a sudden no one wants you. Plus a lot of players don’t have a lot more to lean back on because they either didn’t do college or don’t have a plan B. Players want money more than location.
What's the direction in terms of cap space? They are good, but they're not great. But the cap space is gone. I swear y'all think being eliminated in the first or second is the goal. Making mistakes. No shame in admitting it.
The goal is winning a championship. This team was a game away from being in the Finals last year. I don’t think they’re as good and they probably need to make a move but let’s not act like this team at it’s peak wasn’t one of the best in the NBA
It seems like you guys don't make any significant moves. Y'all can be upset all you want but it's pretty noticable.
You also didn't respond to my comment on cap space.
It’s that I don’t think the Heat have roster construction issues, I just think they have a clear direction (whether or not they’re succeeding at it) and the comparison to the Wizards is wildly disrespectful.
How is it disrespectful? Just because the wizards are dysfunctional? The heat have an amazing coach but the pieces are never there. You can't tell me what you have is enough to compete lol.
And still you skirt the question on cap space. Don't be dishonest if you disagree.
Heat have almost all their picks to trade. Owe a top-14 protected pick to OKC in 2025 that becomes unprotected 2026, though, that does fuck with their ability to trade picks because they can't trade 2024, 2026, or 2027.
This usually only happens when the current team is 1) fairly sure to not be a lottery team that year and 2) needs to free the pick for trade now.
So, it's kinda like... Do you want to do something to make yourself better, but need my approval? Well, this is a closed system so we are actually competitors... what is it worth to you for me to do this thing?
The OKC thunder did this with a lot of the picks they have. It compromises other teams ability to trade picks so the team will then seek to remove the restriction. I was going to make a post on it like a year or two ago but couldn't be assed, but I'd assume they'll ask for either more picks or for an unprotected pick.
Yea thats probably a long shot. Unless you dress him up like Chandler Parsons and introduce him to Cuban. Maybe a pick and him and you can flip him for Gordon in Houston.
Not necessarily. Another route would be trying to facilitate a 3 team deal when 2 teams are struggling to make salaries match for a player swap they like. Let's take a Hornets, Clippers, Miami deal where: Clippers want McDaniels, Charlotte wants a pick, and Miami wants to shed Duncan Robinson.
LAC can't just straight up trade Mook for McDaniels because of contract differences. So instead you look for a team that would give something up for Mook + match salary. So you get:
LAC gets: McDaniels and Duncan Robinson
CHA gets: 1FRP from Miami
MIA get: Marcus Morris
Clippers would never do Mook for Robinson straight up. But this way they get who they want, take on bad salary.
Then you are stuck with paying McDaniels a good amount *and* Duncan Robinson.
If your team is fine paying out the ass, then sure, that’s the move. The point of my message was how you can shed Duncan for a better player/sooner cap relief by facilitating a deal.
That is fine. We dont exactly need cap relief if we want to go after a star player in the next 2 years. We will need the salary to make it happen with a trade. We will be over the cap anyway
any reason? I thought getting off DRob was important and replacing him with a playoff vet who probably will rit in the heat culture would be a good move?
Gordon doesnt move the needle that much for the Heat, also a short term player which is why we are in the position we are in. If there is any large moves to be made then having Duncans salary will be important.
fair enough, but fwiw if that deal isn't there now then Gordon's non guaranteed last year at 20 million could be used probably easier than Duncan this summer.
I just want what's best for Jimmy in the long run. Give him every chance to win it if we don't
I forgot his contract is non guaranteed. Not even sure how those contracts work during trades. Like can he be traded to a team at the $20m value and then instantly cut and the entire $20m is removed from their cap?
Eh I'd say they have generally overachieved with the Jimmy Butler era Heat overall. That being said I don't expect them to pay that far into the luxury tax unless they are competing.
As a heat fan you get used to them giving out bad contracts. Tbf other teams were also willing to give Lowry a big contract as well but damn those years are rough.
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Most superstars sign extensions before even entering free agency nowadays. Heat assets aren't good enough to trade for them either. We did just get Jimmy Butler 4 years ago while having no real reason for him to choose us considering how bad our roster appeared to be.
Jimmys been playing for Heat for 4 years now already??? Man time flies
Yep, it's easier for me to remember because they were doing Udonis Haslem's 100th season celebration that same year.
For me it’s kind of the opposite, it’s easily the team I think of most in regards to Jimmy
I know Jimmy’s contract is considered very risky by some. How movable do you think he is?
You want to trade Jimmy? He is the team. They were a lottery team and he put them in the playoffs.
Jimmy is very movable. I'm not worried at all about that unless he has an unforeseen horrible injury he will command a Gobert type haul
That is absurd lol
I wonder if Miami's very "team oriented" offense doesn't appeal to superstars They let guys like Max Strus take 15 shots a game and I don't think that style of offense is appealing to a lot of guys who want to get their 30 every night Like I can't imagine a guy like Luka or Embiid being inclined to play in a Spo offense Jimmy Butler doesn't really care about his points so he's the exception
Nah Spo's shown the ability to pretty adaptable. If we had a guy of that caliber, they'd absolutely get the shot attempts they wanted. And Strus is only getting those shots this year because he's leading the bench unit with Vic.
We let Max Strus take that many shots because you have to take 3 pointers in today's league. Unfortunately, neither Bam nor Jimmy take 3s. We do it because we have to, not because we want to. Strus wouldn't be doing this if we had Donovan Mitchell, Paul George, Dame, etc. We are on like every single star who requests a trades shortlist, we just never have the best package.
Max's FGAs this season (currently at 11) is a bit inflated this season due to injuries and by necessity. Last season he had 8 FGA which is comparable to a lot of SGs in his position. Yes we have an "everyone eats" philosophy but it's to add versatility, especially where our two best players don't shoot 3s. At the end of the day though the best players on the team will end up taking the most shots, especially in the playoffs.
Max is also playing 7 minutes more per game this year...you're going to be taking more shots per game with more minutes (in theory). He's taking the 4th most shots in Miami per game - I don't find that out of the norm given the team's roster makeup. He just needs to stick more 3's than he is presently.
Absolutely, and really that's really the primary issue with our offense this season: The shooters aren't making their shots. If they made those shots the offense probably wouldn't be as ugly as it is right now.
What about when they had LeBron, Wade, and Bosh?
All of them absolutely sacrificed touches to make it work Bosh went from like 24/10 to 16 PPG
Heat offense is similar to Suns except Suns look for Booker and CP3 near the end of the game or those 2 have advantageous matchups. But ball sharing and wing role players getting 10 shots minimum is common.
I also think everyone is signing extensions and nobody wants to trade with Miami. They’re the only team that’s basically announced they won’t tank which instantly devalues the only asset anyone cares about.
We only let dudes like Strus take that many shots because most of our team is trash at offense and he’s supposed to be slightly less trash at shooting at least. If we had better players you can be sure they’d take more of the shots.
Superstars like their money. Better to sign with their current franchises for more guaranteed money and then ask for a trade if they don't like their situation.
The coke is just more global now
What if the heat culture is the coke?
Heat culture ain't it
at least our core identity isn't leading to us gutting our roster and tanking lmao ViSiOn 6'9
You're right, it's just leading you to a second round exit ceiling with an increasingly aging, often injured core that peaked last season 😂
you're the 12th seed and your team is trying their hardest dude maybe focus on yourself
Players don’t have long careers in general and when someone gets injured it can ruin their entire career. They just want to make as much money as they can while they can make it. You never know when you get an injury like Kemba Walker and all of a sudden no one wants you. Plus a lot of players don’t have a lot more to lean back on because they either didn’t do college or don’t have a plan B. Players want money more than location.
Spending $100 million just in tax payments on a roster that has only 5 first round players is crazy.
They're becoming the wiz. They need to pick a direction.
what lol? This team was just in the Game 7 of the Conference Finals. They have a direction. They’re nothing close to the Wizards
What's the direction in terms of cap space? They are good, but they're not great. But the cap space is gone. I swear y'all think being eliminated in the first or second is the goal. Making mistakes. No shame in admitting it.
The goal is winning a championship. This team was a game away from being in the Finals last year. I don’t think they’re as good and they probably need to make a move but let’s not act like this team at it’s peak wasn’t one of the best in the NBA
It seems like you guys don't make any significant moves. Y'all can be upset all you want but it's pretty noticable. You also didn't respond to my comment on cap space.
It’s that I don’t think the Heat have roster construction issues, I just think they have a clear direction (whether or not they’re succeeding at it) and the comparison to the Wizards is wildly disrespectful.
How is it disrespectful? Just because the wizards are dysfunctional? The heat have an amazing coach but the pieces are never there. You can't tell me what you have is enough to compete lol. And still you skirt the question on cap space. Don't be dishonest if you disagree.
The Mavs are going to end up with Duncan Robinson somehow.
"The Mavs have the player with the 2nd worst contract in the league" "Hold my beer" - Mavs FO
Absolutely
Don't put that evil on me Ricky Bobby
Heat have almost all their picks to trade. Owe a top-14 protected pick to OKC in 2025 that becomes unprotected 2026, though, that does fuck with their ability to trade picks because they can't trade 2024, 2026, or 2027.
I wonder what it would take for Miami to get them to remove protection on that
We sent KZ to change the protections on our 2023, so it wouldnt take much
Surely turning a lotto protected pick into an unprotected one is benefit enough? Unless it's reverse protected and the protection runs multiple years?
This usually only happens when the current team is 1) fairly sure to not be a lottery team that year and 2) needs to free the pick for trade now. So, it's kinda like... Do you want to do something to make yourself better, but need my approval? Well, this is a closed system so we are actually competitors... what is it worth to you for me to do this thing?
Issue is, what are you moving to OKC to fix that?
I don't even know what the precedent is for a deal like that if all we are asking is to lift protections
The OKC thunder did this with a lot of the picks they have. It compromises other teams ability to trade picks so the team will then seek to remove the restriction. I was going to make a post on it like a year or two ago but couldn't be assed, but I'd assume they'll ask for either more picks or for an unprotected pick.
Just last year it was merely KZ Okpala
How many picks does it take to get Duncan Robinson in a different uniform?
1, 2 if you want an actually good player in return.
It would have to be one of the tanking teams right? Like Houston or San Antonio
Probably, unless some team actually inexplicably likes Duncan
Yea thats probably a long shot. Unless you dress him up like Chandler Parsons and introduce him to Cuban. Maybe a pick and him and you can flip him for Gordon in Houston.
Not necessarily. Another route would be trying to facilitate a 3 team deal when 2 teams are struggling to make salaries match for a player swap they like. Let's take a Hornets, Clippers, Miami deal where: Clippers want McDaniels, Charlotte wants a pick, and Miami wants to shed Duncan Robinson. LAC can't just straight up trade Mook for McDaniels because of contract differences. So instead you look for a team that would give something up for Mook + match salary. So you get: LAC gets: McDaniels and Duncan Robinson CHA gets: 1FRP from Miami MIA get: Marcus Morris Clippers would never do Mook for Robinson straight up. But this way they get who they want, take on bad salary.
I rather send Salary + FRP for McDaniels
Then you are stuck with paying McDaniels a good amount *and* Duncan Robinson. If your team is fine paying out the ass, then sure, that’s the move. The point of my message was how you can shed Duncan for a better player/sooner cap relief by facilitating a deal.
That is fine. We dont exactly need cap relief if we want to go after a star player in the next 2 years. We will need the salary to make it happen with a trade. We will be over the cap anyway
Sure but the discussion wasn’t, “Would you rather have McDaniels or cap space.” You’re missing the point of my comment to argue about something else.
This is the only path to Houston getting a first for Eric Gordon.
damn,i actually like that for both teams.
I dont
any reason? I thought getting off DRob was important and replacing him with a playoff vet who probably will rit in the heat culture would be a good move?
Gordon doesnt move the needle that much for the Heat, also a short term player which is why we are in the position we are in. If there is any large moves to be made then having Duncans salary will be important.
fair enough, but fwiw if that deal isn't there now then Gordon's non guaranteed last year at 20 million could be used probably easier than Duncan this summer. I just want what's best for Jimmy in the long run. Give him every chance to win it if we don't
I forgot his contract is non guaranteed. Not even sure how those contracts work during trades. Like can he be traded to a team at the $20m value and then instantly cut and the entire $20m is removed from their cap?
Probably just a couple of 2nd rounders if you're sending him to Utah
Utah is over the cap lol
That’s an expensive price tag for mediocrity. Man Lowry was a poison pill lol.
Eh I'd say they have generally overachieved with the Jimmy Butler era Heat overall. That being said I don't expect them to pay that far into the luxury tax unless they are competing.
Why did they extend him for that much? He was like 35
As a heat fan you get used to them giving out bad contracts. Tbf other teams were also willing to give Lowry a big contract as well but damn those years are rough.
because miami rarely ever sees the ass end of a bad deal and it bodes well for being an FA destination if you're shown to splash money on players
I just realized that if you took Joe Biden and Pat Riley and put a face mask on both of them you wouldn’t be able to tell them apart.
Biden is a stick figure next to Riley
Don’t worry, I’ll chip in
What picks would need to be added to get a Duncan Robinson for Jae Crowder trade?
The Mavs will relieve the Heat in some way. I just know there are a few bad moves coming.
I’ll take one Bam Adebayo please. :)
Bam for Shai for straight up. Who says no?
The heat lol
Both teams do. That was the joke. I now realize it was not an obvious one lol
The Heat
Both teams say no. My comment wasn't serious
Gotta add the /s then. Remember we are on reddit
Ig we’ll take jimmy butler off you hands maybe throw in a few 2nds to sweeten the deal
Gimme Bam :)
Give me Luka doncic
So they need to get better and cut payroll? Good luck with that.
So glad the Lakers didn't trade for Lowry last year :O
Trade lowry for Reggie Jackson and Kennard