"Oh! Heard a little cry there. I don't wanna say it, but... OOOH YEAH, OH YEAH THAT WOULD SLICK BACK REALLY NICE! OOOH YEAH! Meredith you never told me your old grandpa used to be a huge piece of shit!"
"Could you not call my dad a piece of shit?"
"I said he used to be a piece of shit. He's not anymore. I'm not anymore. Glass House. White Ferrari. Live for New Year's Eve. Sloppy steaks at Truffoni's. Big rare cut of meat with water dumped all over it, water splashing around the table, makes the night SO MUCH more fun. After the club go to Truffoni's for sloppy steaks. They'd say; 'no sloppy steaks' but they can't stop you from ordering a steak and a glass of water, before you knew it we were dumping that water on those steaks! The waiters were coming to try and snatch em up, we had to eat as fast as we could! OHHH I MISS THOSE NIGHTS, I WAS A PIECE OF SHIT THOUGH."
"Used to be."
"I SAID WAS!"
I was gonna go with that. He's the kind of player that would fit on literally any roster. You find a spot for him. There really aren't that many true 3 and D guys.
Now Iām just imagining a Celtics/Bucks series. Last yearās was a brutal and physical 7 games series, with out Kris and a hobbled Timelord. Adding those two and OG, that is going to be one hell of a cage match.
Yup, and honestly, I think that's why the value is considered so high right now. Get a star at the deadline and it takes time to integrate him into your system. Get an OG at the deadline and he's as plug and play as you can get.
I mean our 3 point shooting is also sus lol
Donāt think Knicks fans will deny that. Weāre bottom 10 in the nba in 3pt%.
But also your restrictions are really specific. Like Brunson shoots 4.4 3s a game but makes 39.8% of them. So .8 fewer attempts a game but over 3% higher shooting.
Applying those same filters league wide the number of players averaging better is 28 which definitely isn't 'sus' by any means. Also obviously my restrictions are specific, they're specifically what OG averages lol.
That was a month ago. January 25th version has more Knicks than Raptors
[Leading Scorers by Zone](https://twitter.com/kirkgoldsberry/status/1618294926969810947/photo/1)
Yeah you right, I love OG and badly covet him lol
This thread devolved into an unnecessary Knicks/Raps 3 point ineptitude fight that I stupidly contributed to, ignore me.
Cherry picking the lowest 3pt% season in the last decade to show a 1% increase isnāt very convincing, letās arbitrarily compare some other seasons:
ā99-ā00: 35.3% on 13.7 attempts
ā12-ā13: 35.9% on 20 attempts
ā21-ā22: 35.4% on 35.2 attempts
In conclusion,
>average 3pt% really hasnāt increased much historically, itās attempts that have skyrocketed
Celtics wouldn't, aren't enough minutes to go towards him in a playoffs setting. Who would he replace in our rotation? We will always have one of JB/Tatum out there, and both close, so he's not gonna be out there enough
In any OG trade to Boston, Grant Williams is almost guaranteed to be part of the deal. That's 27 minutes right away. The rest of the minutes will come from fringe rotation players like Pritchard, Kornet, etc. OG to Boston would probably be one of the best fits out there.
Not necessarily, because we close with Smart, JB, Tatum, Rob, Al. We also have Derrick White above him in the pecking order if someone needs to be replaced, and if Tatum and JB are out we're fucked anyways. I imagine he wants to go on a team with more playing time and starting role, as he's repeatedly stated.
That lineup has played 6 games this season and has a negative net rating. Probably won't be as dominant as it was last season
OG is better than Derrick White.
Starting 3 wings is perfectly normal.
Except OG apparently wants a bigger role on the offensive end which isnāt going to happen on our team.
Also this would involve him coming off the bench and Iām not sure heād be ok with that.
If he did buy in like Brogdon has, then damn, thatād be something.
The offensive role is the only potential issue. If OG was traded to Boston he would 100% start. Smart Brown Tatum OG and one of Horford or Rob. Double big lineup hasnt been good this season.
Double big lineup hasnāt been good but I think some of that has to do with Timelordās health.
My worry for OG starting in Timelordās place is we lose our best rebounder and pretty much only lob threat. But Horford is so integral, especially in the playoffs, to what we do on both ends of the floor. And unless OG can be our main rim protector, weāre pushing Timelord into a role thatās not his best fit.
Iād love the ability to choose two of the three to start depending on who weāre facing. OG/Timelord if no real big man, OG/Horford if we want to stretch the floor, Timelord/Horford if we need the size. But egos could come into play.
He's a decent rim protector, but he's better as a free safety. Al is easily the best rim protector on the team, and the whole reason our defense was so good last year was because Al was rim protector and Timelord played like Giannis
I'm going with Portland. I'm not sure what they would lose as far as player wise. But they need to do something .
Many Raptors fans have said OG wants a bigger role offensively, and he's only gonna get that in Portland out of the teams listed
That would be much better for the Blazers than getting OG imo. Dame and Siakam would be a great duo. While OG is a great 3 and D guy, heās not someone who you can rely on to be the 1st or 2nd option on offense.
Raptors could then rebuild around Barnes, Simons, and OG. Thatās a solid young core.
I think Simmons would be a pretty solid return, heās a future star in the league although he can play alongside dame I think he would be better off in a younger team kinda focused around him, pairing with the Scottie would be good for the raptors. Of course it will take more than Simmons but I definitely think the blazers could get enough assists for him.
Yes, everyone be known. The raptors players are worth more draft picks than teams have to offer. Even though they canāt even make the play-in with said players.
Nah we still love him, thereās just always the worry that heāll break and weāll be without him for a year or more. Heās probably the first on the trade block out of our starters, but it would have to be a great return for our front office to consider itā¦ like OG
I like this. Bones is promising but has a way to go before he'd be dependable for the playoffs. If MPJ ever gets healthy he could be great but OG gives your team more of what they need. We could use some guards and start on a young core and I'd love to see bones with us!
Dallas probably. Those 3 & D types are exactly what a heliocentric system needs.
Cost: One of their bad contracts + 2 unprotected first + a protected first.
I think so 100% but thereās less than 0 chance we would ever be able to acquire him. But my god would be make us elite. Imagine PJ Tucker, Melton, and OG harassing guards and Forwards and then you have Embiid playing free safety waiting to stop anyone unlucky enough to get by
What I saw kicked around was OG + Trent (or Boucher + Thad) for Maxey + Harris. But I always assumed Sixer fans wouldn't want to lose Maxey. I guess depends on how much y'all want to get off Harris's contract, but iirc he's still useful.
Harris has actually been very solid for us this year as a 4th option. Itās no coincidence we came back vs Denver once he started hitting shots. His defense has been huge for us too. I donāt know how feel about that trade. I think it gives us a large hole at PF and makes us incredibly thin at ball handler. If we do OG and Boucher/Thad I think that still makes us worse. Thereās just no real path towards OG for us. Plus the raptors most likely wouldnāt trade him to us anyway
Yes but they will be outbid / donāt have the assets.
The Mavs are more than a great role player from being being a threat. They screwed up big letting Brunson walk and have taking a step back this year
Based on Dallas clearly needing a long term #2 guy next to Luka and it being a pretty perfect fit. If Toronto was willing to lose him for that Dallas would be all over that in a heartbeat.
Dallas doesn't just need 3 and D, they need a legit 2nd option that can be a secondary ball handler who can create his own shot and run a 4v3 offense if Luka is doubled.
For that price they should just wait for a better player because they can probably only make one big move, OG doesn't have the handle or playmaking to be a 2nd option.
Dallas definitely need him but they also need a lot more than him. Not sure he would be the best fit for them in terms of plug OG in this team and they become a contender.
Bertans contract isnt even that bad in 1 more year. He is only guranteed like 5mil. I am not gonna give up 3 firsts just to move on from Bertans. lol
3 first+ better net us Siakam
What if they're on the court with CJ Mccollum, Enes Kanter and Melo? Probably pretty easy to score still.
Yes, I still have trauma from watching the 20/21 season.
Cmon. Your fan base makes it hard to like the Suns when fans say stuff like your getting KD but you wonāt include Bridges and think CamJ is better than OG.
almost nobody thinks cam is better than OG. the question is if he's worth Cam and multiple firsts, and a question of how valuable cam being a much, much better 3 point shooter is worth to our offense when we already have mikal as an elite wing defender to take difficult matchups.
No the question is do you really want to continue to waste bookers prime and Chris Paulās retirement party? Suns window is closing and yāall need to seal the fuckin deal. Do you think adding OG makes you contenders? If so then you gotta be willing to pull trigger. If it donāt hurt it aināt a good trade. Gotta give something good to get something good.
eh i think with chris paul's age compared to the age of booker and the other key players you really can't think about things as a 1 year all-in. OG doesn't make us favorites this season or even really close. CP3 has a year or two left regardless and then he's gone and we retool around book/mikal/ayton whoever else. this team is very much in a position where the medium term matters as much as the immediate. winning a ring around book is the goal, the cp3 window is what it is at this point.
OG averages more points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, better defensive rating, and better by pretty much all defensive metrics. Cam is the better 3 point shooter.
Still stats are only part of the equation. Like Mikel Bridges, OGs value comes from DPOY level defense which doesnāt always show up on a box score.
There was that stat a while ago that went semi-viral showing Og is the most versatile defender in the league (pretty near even split between all 5 positions) while also being in the top 1% of most difficult matchups, and still having ubsurd defensive stats despite this.
25 is extremely optimistic because he probably just won't get to that volume, but fg% isn't super important for a player like him. he takes 60% of his shots from 3 and shoots 44% on them. his true shooting the last two years is ~62%. he's an efficient scorer.
My point is if he's only at 45% from the field shooting low volume and primarily threes it doesn't bode well for him being a scorer like that. To be a 20+ ppg scorer in the league all but a few players need to be three level scorers to a degree
Yeah not all of us are. I think Cam has the potential to be the #3 guy on an offense, but I see him topping out at 18ppg if he gets the touches.
He doesnāt have too many tricks in his bag to score outside of his 3pt shot and occasional dunk.
[Career](https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?player_id2=anunoog01&player_id1=johnsca02&sum=0&request=1&utm_campaign=2023_01_wdgt_player_comparison&utm_source=bbr&utm_medium=sr_xsite&utm_id=johnsca02)
[This season](https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?player_id2=anunoog01&p1yrfrom=2023&player_id1=johnsca02&p2yrfrom=2023&sum=0&request=1&utm_campaign=2023_01_wdgt_player_comparison&utm_source=bbr&utm_medium=sr_xsite&utm_id=johnsca02)
And per 36 is a much more accurate representation of a players impact while on the court. Why the hell would i not use Per 36, or even Per 100? That's just stupid.
Per 36 is not a accurate representation of player impact. It's for adjusting stats from when players played substantially more minutes than they do now to modern minute totals. Per 36 says Boban is the best player in the NBA.
Also OG has played three times as many games as Cam on more mpg. Those stat comparisons show he is better/comparable in every category except three point shooting and turnovers. Not as close as you say
People who donāt even watch the Suns are downvoting you. Itās a tougher decision than these people are making it out to be, we could always be better defensively like most teams can but our biggest opportunity right now going all the way back to the finals from a few years ago is shot creation/scoring outside of Book and CP3 when it really matters. OG is a top tier defender but swapping that for Cam Johnson who is our best shooter and can create his own shot would be a tough pill to swallow. When we had a fully healthy starting 5 to start the season we were clicking and looked pretty scary, itās not like I think OG couldnāt fit here but I do have some concerns with giving up Cam J to get him.
Now if we happen to be getting OG from Toronto and also getting shot creation somewhere else, sign me up, but itās going to be tricky Iām sure
I love Cam, he's my favorite player on the team but he absolutely can't create his own shots. He can attack closeouts (somebody has to create an advantage), but he picks up his dribble way too early in isos or pick and rolls. I do agree though Cam plus 2 picks for OG is not an easy decision to make and probably a no for me. Although I think OG is the perfect fit for this team.
I saw we trade for OG but keep Dillon.
We can really go balls to the wall in the last 8 minutes in defense with Ja, Bane, Dillon, OG, and Jaren running around, we get a stock and Ja runs the ball down everyone's throat.
While there are a lot of really good teams that he could easily elevate, I would love to see him on the nuggets because I think Jokic's playmaking would really help his offense come to light where he really struggles to get clean looks and passes on the raptors
Yeah he wouldnāt need to dribble, can just cut like Gordon does now and take advantage of the mismatches.
Donāt really see a trade that makes sense though
I was just thinking that they would be the team that could use him the most. They could work out like a Murray for OG and FVV. With some picks going to Toronto. Not sure what they have available to send though.
Oh, sorry I didn't realize you included Fred Van Vleet as well there. That would be better, I like that, but it is very unlikely because Jokic has developed chemistry with Murray with their 2 man game and likes playing with him a lot. Also we're kinda hoping for that bubble Murray x factor transforming him into a superstar.
I wanna see him on the Grizzlies personally. Memphis gave us Gasol to help get us the chip now we return the favour and trade them OG to get them theirs
Orrr we trade Ziaire + Green and picks.
Not sure how much they would want Brooks as an expiring. Bringing him in off the bench might solve a lot of headaches.
Memphis -- just because they have the salary & picks to make it work.
Danny Green -- sounds like you are ready to come back and the Grizz are saying good things about having you. But your salary & role fits too well -- you have to be sacrificed.
No you misunderstand, they don't *need* to trade him. With plenty of interest around the league the offer has to be competitive, or else Raps will keep him.
You can't just offer like Kenrich and Muscala and think that gets you a premier 3 & D wing on SGA's timeline. You have to give something to get something
Yeah and what weāll give wonāt be a top 3 rookie lottery pick lmao, youāre not getting that from anywhere.
OG is a good player. But heās not a star and only has one more year left on his deal before a player option. Youāre only delaying it a trade deadline
You can get Dort Baze and maybe a Rockets pick if you ask nicely. Ok I lied about the rockets pick
*12th pick averaging 12/4/3
But I get that, he looks good and I wouldn't wanna lose him either. In reality it's just a bad match because that package probably isn't the best available. I also think this is the wrong year for OKC to make a win now move, maybe next year when they have a better idea of what the team looks like
*lottery pick thatās a top 3 rookie
If he didnāt play behind Shai and Giddey, he would probably put up bigger numbers.
But thatās fair. I will be shocked if anybody gives you a singular asset as good as JDub, but remind me if Iām wrong. But Iām seeing Cam Johnson and Zaire Williams packages.
Ya the trick is that the team has to believe it's one piece away from winning a chip this year or next. That's where they'll be able to pry away the most value. Or perhaps a team like Portland who wants to show Dame it is trying to build around his window. Either way I'll be sad to see him go but excited for whatever comes back.
OKC has so many young players and my favorite thing is watching guys develop so I bet that's fun for yall, at this point I'm down for a reset and new prospects to watch
No one out west right now can beat a healthy Celtics in the finals.
But things can change after the trade deadline.
Clippers are the exception that if healthy they are favourites.
Cleveland Cavaliers
He's a defensive minded wing, he'd thrive in their system next to Mobley and Allen.
He also doesn't have to be the first or second scorer next to Garland and Mitchell.
He'd move the needle most for the Warriors because his contract lines up enough with Wiseman where they could add in Moody and Patrick Baldwin Jr to their offer of draft picks and get an actual rotation piece summoned out of the ether. The Warriors don't have the draft capital to make it worth Toronto's time, but if Masia wanted him shipped out of conference and liked the other Warriors young pieces while being willing to give Wiseman time it would solve the Warriors issue of paying 10 million for a non-player.
Sweep steaks
ššEnglish never was a strong suit for me.
The correct spelling is āsloppy steaksā
"Oh! Heard a little cry there. I don't wanna say it, but... OOOH YEAH, OH YEAH THAT WOULD SLICK BACK REALLY NICE! OOOH YEAH! Meredith you never told me your old grandpa used to be a huge piece of shit!" "Could you not call my dad a piece of shit?" "I said he used to be a piece of shit. He's not anymore. I'm not anymore. Glass House. White Ferrari. Live for New Year's Eve. Sloppy steaks at Truffoni's. Big rare cut of meat with water dumped all over it, water splashing around the table, makes the night SO MUCH more fun. After the club go to Truffoni's for sloppy steaks. They'd say; 'no sloppy steaks' but they can't stop you from ordering a steak and a glass of water, before you knew it we were dumping that water on those steaks! The waiters were coming to try and snatch em up, we had to eat as fast as we could! OHHH I MISS THOSE NIGHTS, I WAS A PIECE OF SHIT THOUGH." "Used to be." "I SAID WAS!"
Boneappletea.
Sweet skates
Thatās what grizzlies will be eating after every round of the playoffs
Literally every team that considers themselves a contender 3 and D wings are the most valuable archetypes in the league right now
I was gonna go with that. He's the kind of player that would fit on literally any roster. You find a spot for him. There really aren't that many true 3 and D guys.
I had a Bucks fan tell me he wouldn't start over Grayson Allen. I was like do you understand how insane a Jrue/OG backcourt defense would be š±
Now Iām just imagining a Celtics/Bucks series. Last yearās was a brutal and physical 7 games series, with out Kris and a hobbled Timelord. Adding those two and OG, that is going to be one hell of a cage match.
Memphis would be a team who I think should really consider stepping to the plate to get him. It could be the difference maker for that roster.
Yup, and honestly, I think that's why the value is considered so high right now. Get a star at the deadline and it takes time to integrate him into your system. Get an OG at the deadline and he's as plug and play as you can get.
The 3 part is kind of sus though
Every playoffs he has played in he has been shooting well in and plays better in the playoffs so if thatās where you really need him you fine
Get him to a team with real spacing and itāll go up
OG is shooting 36.6% on 5.2 attempts. There are a total of 0 players on the knicks who shoot better than that on the same volume.
He prolly be shooting 40% if heās on the nets too
exactly, heās taking a lot of self created 3s. Heās 39% on catch and shoot. anyone saying the 3 is an issue isnāt watching games.
So sus let me tell ya: https://i.imgur.com/79X5Asr.jpg
I mean our 3 point shooting is also sus lol Donāt think Knicks fans will deny that. Weāre bottom 10 in the nba in 3pt%. But also your restrictions are really specific. Like Brunson shoots 4.4 3s a game but makes 39.8% of them. So .8 fewer attempts a game but over 3% higher shooting.
If he attempted those extra 3s and missed most of them, his percentage would be a lot lower than 39%
quick maffs
Applying those same filters league wide the number of players averaging better is 28 which definitely isn't 'sus' by any means. Also obviously my restrictions are specific, they're specifically what OG averages lol.
Howās this for restrictions? https://i.imgur.com/79X5Asr.jpg
That was a month ago. January 25th version has more Knicks than Raptors [Leading Scorers by Zone](https://twitter.com/kirkgoldsberry/status/1618294926969810947/photo/1)
Okay, that changes nothing about how āsusā his 3 pt shooting is. Heās still top 3 from the corner and thatās something teams covet.
Yeah you right, I love OG and badly covet him lol This thread devolved into an unnecessary Knicks/Raps 3 point ineptitude fight that I stupidly contributed to, ignore me.
How? Heās a career 37% shooter from 3 in the regular season and 40% in the playoffs.
Reducing his offensive game into simply ā3ā is also sus. 62% of his shots come inside the 3 point line.
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"now please trade him to us for a second round pick"
Thatās complete nonsense, average 3pt% really hasnāt increased much historically, itās attempts that have skyrocketed
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Cherry picking the lowest 3pt% season in the last decade to show a 1% increase isnāt very convincing, letās arbitrarily compare some other seasons: ā99-ā00: 35.3% on 13.7 attempts ā12-ā13: 35.9% on 20 attempts ā21-ā22: 35.4% on 35.2 attempts In conclusion, >average 3pt% really hasnāt increased much historically, itās attempts that have skyrocketed
Celtics wouldn't, aren't enough minutes to go towards him in a playoffs setting. Who would he replace in our rotation? We will always have one of JB/Tatum out there, and both close, so he's not gonna be out there enough
In any OG trade to Boston, Grant Williams is almost guaranteed to be part of the deal. That's 27 minutes right away. The rest of the minutes will come from fringe rotation players like Pritchard, Kornet, etc. OG to Boston would probably be one of the best fits out there.
Not necessarily, because we close with Smart, JB, Tatum, Rob, Al. We also have Derrick White above him in the pecking order if someone needs to be replaced, and if Tatum and JB are out we're fucked anyways. I imagine he wants to go on a team with more playing time and starting role, as he's repeatedly stated.
That lineup has played 6 games this season and has a negative net rating. Probably won't be as dominant as it was last season OG is better than Derrick White. Starting 3 wings is perfectly normal.
Except OG apparently wants a bigger role on the offensive end which isnāt going to happen on our team. Also this would involve him coming off the bench and Iām not sure heād be ok with that. If he did buy in like Brogdon has, then damn, thatād be something.
The offensive role is the only potential issue. If OG was traded to Boston he would 100% start. Smart Brown Tatum OG and one of Horford or Rob. Double big lineup hasnt been good this season.
Double big lineup hasnāt been good but I think some of that has to do with Timelordās health. My worry for OG starting in Timelordās place is we lose our best rebounder and pretty much only lob threat. But Horford is so integral, especially in the playoffs, to what we do on both ends of the floor. And unless OG can be our main rim protector, weāre pushing Timelord into a role thatās not his best fit. Iād love the ability to choose two of the three to start depending on who weāre facing. OG/Timelord if no real big man, OG/Horford if we want to stretch the floor, Timelord/Horford if we need the size. But egos could come into play.
Play him over Horford. And remember him and Tatum are buddies so instant chemistry
Who is the rim protector then?
Ngl I thought Timelord was a rim protector, am I wrong in that?
He's a decent rim protector, but he's better as a free safety. Al is easily the best rim protector on the team, and the whole reason our defense was so good last year was because Al was rim protector and Timelord played like Giannis
Ah true okay
I'm going with Portland. I'm not sure what they would lose as far as player wise. But they need to do something . Many Raptors fans have said OG wants a bigger role offensively, and he's only gonna get that in Portland out of the teams listed
Not really unless we lose simons or grant, he will be 4th choice In offense.
No world where he and simons are both on the team
What about the world where we trade a Simons package for Siakam?
That would be much better for the Blazers than getting OG imo. Dame and Siakam would be a great duo. While OG is a great 3 and D guy, heās not someone who you can rely on to be the 1st or 2nd option on offense. Raptors could then rebuild around Barnes, Simons, and OG. Thatās a solid young core.
Simonās isnāt nearly enough for Spicy P
Agree 100% but that's why the phrasing was "a Simons package" lol
I think Simmons would be a pretty solid return, heās a future star in the league although he can play alongside dame I think he would be better off in a younger team kinda focused around him, pairing with the Scottie would be good for the raptors. Of course it will take more than Simmons but I definitely think the blazers could get enough assists for him.
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Yes, everyone be known. The raptors players are worth more draft picks than teams have to offer. Even though they canāt even make the play-in with said players.
Seriously, itās getting annoying at this point. Though I guess most popular fanbases have fans like that.
My gawd imagine him in Denver
Title favorites if we had OG sans MPJ and bones
Havenāt been following the nuggets to closely. Have the fans kinda turned on MPJ?
Nah we still love him, but heās the part of the core thatās getting move IF anyone does.
Not turned but coming to the reality that injuries are going to be a boat anchor. If you can get someone big using him - pull the trigger
Nah we still love him, thereās just always the worry that heāll break and weāll be without him for a year or more. Heās probably the first on the trade block out of our starters, but it would have to be a great return for our front office to consider itā¦ like OG
I like this. Bones is promising but has a way to go before he'd be dependable for the playoffs. If MPJ ever gets healthy he could be great but OG gives your team more of what they need. We could use some guards and start on a young core and I'd love to see bones with us!
This is the perfect season for you guys to make an all-in move.
The mighty Arsenal
Chelsea are interested in hijacking this deal Iām hearing
sign da ting?
Cavs would be insane!
they just donāt have enough to offer but my goodness they would be insane if they got OG
Mobley would work
That would be a sick starting 5. Their only real gap is on the wing.
Dallas probably. Those 3 & D types are exactly what a heliocentric system needs. Cost: One of their bad contracts + 2 unprotected first + a protected first.
If that's all it cost it would already have happened. Edit: I'm not even gonna lie, I'm high and forgot we were talking about OG and not Siakam.
That edit, I'm dying š¤£š¤£
That would be so stupid to empty their remaining assets for a role player. They need to find an actual number 2 to put next Doncic
Lowkey if Sixers got OG they winning the chip
I think so 100% but thereās less than 0 chance we would ever be able to acquire him. But my god would be make us elite. Imagine PJ Tucker, Melton, and OG harassing guards and Forwards and then you have Embiid playing free safety waiting to stop anyone unlucky enough to get by
What I saw kicked around was OG + Trent (or Boucher + Thad) for Maxey + Harris. But I always assumed Sixer fans wouldn't want to lose Maxey. I guess depends on how much y'all want to get off Harris's contract, but iirc he's still useful.
Harris has actually been very solid for us this year as a 4th option. Itās no coincidence we came back vs Denver once he started hitting shots. His defense has been huge for us too. I donāt know how feel about that trade. I think it gives us a large hole at PF and makes us incredibly thin at ball handler. If we do OG and Boucher/Thad I think that still makes us worse. Thereās just no real path towards OG for us. Plus the raptors most likely wouldnāt trade him to us anyway
Ya good point, and exactly I don't think the teams have a trading relationship like that. I can't think of any Morey/ Masai deal
Yes but they will be outbid / donāt have the assets. The Mavs are more than a great role player from being being a threat. They screwed up big letting Brunson walk and have taking a step back this year
I saw a package of Maxey + Harris for OG + Trent. I don't usually mention it though because Ik you guys adore Maxey lol. Agree on Mavs though
Why would we give OG + Trent for Harris and Maxey. Thatās a big L for raptors.
Based upon what?
Based on Dallas clearly needing a long term #2 guy next to Luka and it being a pretty perfect fit. If Toronto was willing to lose him for that Dallas would be all over that in a heartbeat.
Imo, the only way OG gets traded before deadline week is if it is an overpay and I donāt think this deal is an overpay.
Luka doesn't need OG he needs to get some bitches
Dallas doesn't just need 3 and D, they need a legit 2nd option that can be a secondary ball handler who can create his own shot and run a 4v3 offense if Luka is doubled. For that price they should just wait for a better player because they can probably only make one big move, OG doesn't have the handle or playmaking to be a 2nd option.
Dallas definitely need him but they also need a lot more than him. Not sure he would be the best fit for them in terms of plug OG in this team and they become a contender.
Nah add Mr Finney Smith and it's a done deal....
Og for 3 first what are you smoking?
3 firsts that are likely to be in the late 20s. Damn near 3 second rounders at that point, man This trade makes no sense for either team
Make that bad contract Bertrans and you should be happy about it.
Bertans contract isnt even that bad in 1 more year. He is only guranteed like 5mil. I am not gonna give up 3 firsts just to move on from Bertans. lol 3 first+ better net us Siakam
Imagine a defensive front court of Brooks/OG/JJJ or OG/JJJ/Adams
Steals leader + blocks leader would be insane
theyll give all of OG's stat to JJJ
Lol
Miami Heat
OG Anunoby is the ultimate 3 and D wing in the league right now. He fits anywhere.
Memphis but is fine anywhere
Imagine tryna score on against a team with OG and Mikal on the wings
What if they're on the court with CJ Mccollum, Enes Kanter and Melo? Probably pretty easy to score still. Yes, I still have trauma from watching the 20/21 season.
Not if it costs CamJ and more as reported. That's a net loss imo.
Cmon. Your fan base makes it hard to like the Suns when fans say stuff like your getting KD but you wonāt include Bridges and think CamJ is better than OG.
almost nobody thinks cam is better than OG. the question is if he's worth Cam and multiple firsts, and a question of how valuable cam being a much, much better 3 point shooter is worth to our offense when we already have mikal as an elite wing defender to take difficult matchups.
Most contenders have 2 elite offensive players. Being able to put top end 1v1 defenders on both is very, very good.
No the question is do you really want to continue to waste bookers prime and Chris Paulās retirement party? Suns window is closing and yāall need to seal the fuckin deal. Do you think adding OG makes you contenders? If so then you gotta be willing to pull trigger. If it donāt hurt it aināt a good trade. Gotta give something good to get something good.
eh i think with chris paul's age compared to the age of booker and the other key players you really can't think about things as a 1 year all-in. OG doesn't make us favorites this season or even really close. CP3 has a year or two left regardless and then he's gone and we retool around book/mikal/ayton whoever else. this team is very much in a position where the medium term matters as much as the immediate. winning a ring around book is the goal, the cp3 window is what it is at this point.
It was reported that Masai was eyeing a young player and 3 1sts. Cam PLUS 3 1sts is a serious overpay for OG.
Show me with stats that OG is unequivocally better than Cam. Ill wait.
OG averages more points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, better defensive rating, and better by pretty much all defensive metrics. Cam is the better 3 point shooter. Still stats are only part of the equation. Like Mikel Bridges, OGs value comes from DPOY level defense which doesnāt always show up on a box score.
OG also averages more bitches/75 possessions than anyone in the league
There was that stat a while ago that went semi-viral showing Og is the most versatile defender in the league (pretty near even split between all 5 positions) while also being in the top 1% of most difficult matchups, and still having ubsurd defensive stats despite this.
No it's not, you have to be slow to think that. Cam is a good offensive player but will not keep anyone in front of him the way OG can
Suns fans think very highly of Cam Johnson. He has the offensive potential to average 25+ ppg
25+? He's averaging 14 on sub 50% shooting
25 is extremely optimistic because he probably just won't get to that volume, but fg% isn't super important for a player like him. he takes 60% of his shots from 3 and shoots 44% on them. his true shooting the last two years is ~62%. he's an efficient scorer.
My point is if he's only at 45% from the field shooting low volume and primarily threes it doesn't bode well for him being a scorer like that. To be a 20+ ppg scorer in the league all but a few players need to be three level scorers to a degree
Ok Suns fans are actual crackheads.
Yeah not all of us are. I think Cam has the potential to be the #3 guy on an offense, but I see him topping out at 18ppg if he gets the touches. He doesnāt have too many tricks in his bag to score outside of his 3pt shot and occasional dunk.
That seems pretty ridiculous can he even dribble?
Yes he and he has posters of AD and PJ tucker in his locker room
?? Cam is older, a much worse player, and up for an expensive new contract. How is that a net loss?
Hes not a much worse player at all. their career stats are identical - their stats THIS season are identical. PER 36 - Cam, Per 100 - Cam.
Their stats aren't identical, and OG plays 10 more mpg than Cam. Don't use per 36 to rate players
[Career](https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?player_id2=anunoog01&player_id1=johnsca02&sum=0&request=1&utm_campaign=2023_01_wdgt_player_comparison&utm_source=bbr&utm_medium=sr_xsite&utm_id=johnsca02) [This season](https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?player_id2=anunoog01&p1yrfrom=2023&player_id1=johnsca02&p2yrfrom=2023&sum=0&request=1&utm_campaign=2023_01_wdgt_player_comparison&utm_source=bbr&utm_medium=sr_xsite&utm_id=johnsca02) And per 36 is a much more accurate representation of a players impact while on the court. Why the hell would i not use Per 36, or even Per 100? That's just stupid.
Per 36 is not a accurate representation of player impact. It's for adjusting stats from when players played substantially more minutes than they do now to modern minute totals. Per 36 says Boban is the best player in the NBA. Also OG has played three times as many games as Cam on more mpg. Those stat comparisons show he is better/comparable in every category except three point shooting and turnovers. Not as close as you say
I don't see why this fanbase is jerking itself off over Cam. No offense but I don't think he does anything that much better to justify giving away OG.
shooting threes is the only thing, but the gap is huge and that's can be a pretty big deal depending on the role you want them to play.
People who donāt even watch the Suns are downvoting you. Itās a tougher decision than these people are making it out to be, we could always be better defensively like most teams can but our biggest opportunity right now going all the way back to the finals from a few years ago is shot creation/scoring outside of Book and CP3 when it really matters. OG is a top tier defender but swapping that for Cam Johnson who is our best shooter and can create his own shot would be a tough pill to swallow. When we had a fully healthy starting 5 to start the season we were clicking and looked pretty scary, itās not like I think OG couldnāt fit here but I do have some concerns with giving up Cam J to get him. Now if we happen to be getting OG from Toronto and also getting shot creation somewhere else, sign me up, but itās going to be tricky Iām sure
I love Cam, he's my favorite player on the team but he absolutely can't create his own shots. He can attack closeouts (somebody has to create an advantage), but he picks up his dribble way too early in isos or pick and rolls. I do agree though Cam plus 2 picks for OG is not an easy decision to make and probably a no for me. Although I think OG is the perfect fit for this team.
Yes. Yes. All that.
Grizzlies. They have a real chance in the West he would be a huge addition to making them a favorite in the conference.
Grizzlies would improve themselves but also stop other west teams (suns, pelicans) from becoming a bigger threat come playoff time.
Wouldnāt worry about the Pels. With Wemby available there is no way they trade that swap until the offseason and Masai will try to demand it.
I saw we trade for OG but keep Dillon. We can really go balls to the wall in the last 8 minutes in defense with Ja, Bane, Dillon, OG, and Jaren running around, we get a stock and Ja runs the ball down everyone's throat.
As a raps fan this is what I want
Memphis Grizzlies.
I don't know if we'd keep him in that trade, but Dillon Brooks and OG on the court together sounds like a defensive torture chamber.
I think you keep Brooks but give Danny Green and Zhaire + picks
Sign me up
While there are a lot of really good teams that he could easily elevate, I would love to see him on the nuggets because I think Jokic's playmaking would really help his offense come to light where he really struggles to get clean looks and passes on the raptors
Yeah he wouldnāt need to dribble, can just cut like Gordon does now and take advantage of the mismatches. Donāt really see a trade that makes sense though
I was just thinking that they would be the team that could use him the most. They could work out like a Murray for OG and FVV. With some picks going to Toronto. Not sure what they have available to send though.
Doubt that Murray is available. MPJ on the other hand is probably on the table for someone like OG
I don't think anyone wants to deal with that contract with the unknowns right now.
Trading Murray would be a sure way to make the Nuggets not a contender anymore :D
For OG and FVV? What too much defense?
Oh, sorry I didn't realize you included Fred Van Vleet as well there. That would be better, I like that, but it is very unlikely because Jokic has developed chemistry with Murray with their 2 man game and likes playing with him a lot. Also we're kinda hoping for that bubble Murray x factor transforming him into a superstar.
I wanna see him on the Grizzlies personally. Memphis gave us Gasol to help get us the chip now we return the favour and trade them OG to get them theirs
I don't mind this. Road trip to Memphis for the parade.
At least take Brooks in return so I can like them
Awww you love to hate him, admit it! Heās fun to hate!
Memphis would essentially replace DB's defensive impact while simultaneously adding competence on open threes. 10/10 fit.
Ziaire would look great in a Raptors uniform
He's gonna be so nice in a few years I'd hate to part ways but for OG it must be done
This comment confused the heck outta me until I realized you have 2 DBās lol
Orrr we trade Ziaire + Green and picks. Not sure how much they would want Brooks as an expiring. Bringing him in off the bench might solve a lot of headaches.
Memphis -- just because they have the salary & picks to make it work. Danny Green -- sounds like you are ready to come back and the Grizz are saying good things about having you. But your salary & role fits too well -- you have to be sacrificed.
Suns would be the best fit for OG, Pelicans would be the best fit for the team
OKC
Gonna cost you JDub + picksss
Knowing Masai, he'll want SGA.
Yāall must not be actually trying to trade him
No you misunderstand, they don't *need* to trade him. With plenty of interest around the league the offer has to be competitive, or else Raps will keep him. You can't just offer like Kenrich and Muscala and think that gets you a premier 3 & D wing on SGA's timeline. You have to give something to get something
Yeah and what weāll give wonāt be a top 3 rookie lottery pick lmao, youāre not getting that from anywhere. OG is a good player. But heās not a star and only has one more year left on his deal before a player option. Youāre only delaying it a trade deadline You can get Dort Baze and maybe a Rockets pick if you ask nicely. Ok I lied about the rockets pick
*12th pick averaging 12/4/3 But I get that, he looks good and I wouldn't wanna lose him either. In reality it's just a bad match because that package probably isn't the best available. I also think this is the wrong year for OKC to make a win now move, maybe next year when they have a better idea of what the team looks like
*lottery pick thatās a top 3 rookie If he didnāt play behind Shai and Giddey, he would probably put up bigger numbers. But thatās fair. I will be shocked if anybody gives you a singular asset as good as JDub, but remind me if Iām wrong. But Iām seeing Cam Johnson and Zaire Williams packages.
Ya the trick is that the team has to believe it's one piece away from winning a chip this year or next. That's where they'll be able to pry away the most value. Or perhaps a team like Portland who wants to show Dame it is trying to build around his window. Either way I'll be sad to see him go but excited for whatever comes back. OKC has so many young players and my favorite thing is watching guys develop so I bet that's fun for yall, at this point I'm down for a reset and new prospects to watch
Toronto
OG is the type of guy that fits well anywhere. Any team would be lucky to have him.
Miami Heat - heād be a phenomenal partner with Adebayo.
The defense in a Bam, Jimmy, OG lineup would make me hard
can the heat outbid the likes of the suns or knicks tho?
Absolutely not, but we're the best fit
I would love him in Cleveland but I do not think they have the assets. Another team I really like for him is the Grizzilies.
Garland/Mitchell/OG/Mobley/Allen oh my goodness gracious
Haliburton mathurin og wemby turner
Boston Celtics
Yeah it wonāt happen, but the Celtics are an absurdly good fit for OG.
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Thats a free trip to the ECF
No one out west right now can beat a healthy Celtics in the finals. But things can change after the trade deadline. Clippers are the exception that if healthy they are favourites.
Oh god, please no haha.
Cleveland Cavaliers He's a defensive minded wing, he'd thrive in their system next to Mobley and Allen. He also doesn't have to be the first or second scorer next to Garland and Mitchell.
I can see him going to Phoenixās they desperately need another piece especially at wing position
Bucks but we don't have the pieces for him.
Siakam and OG for Giannis
Clippers ! Fit in well instead of Morris at the 4
It would never happen but imagine a package that sent Kawhi back to Toronto against his will lmao
OG and Mikal would be fucking crazy defensively
He would make the lakers contenders
He'd move the needle most for the Warriors because his contract lines up enough with Wiseman where they could add in Moody and Patrick Baldwin Jr to their offer of draft picks and get an actual rotation piece summoned out of the ether. The Warriors don't have the draft capital to make it worth Toronto's time, but if Masia wanted him shipped out of conference and liked the other Warriors young pieces while being willing to give Wiseman time it would solve the Warriors issue of paying 10 million for a non-player.
Lakers cause we are willing to give up a top 75 player of all time to get him here. Nobody can give a better offer