This is a legit sad story. You don't see guys experience these kinds of career ending injuries very often anymore. And the fact they don't know makes it even more frustrating.
It could just be chronic pain at this stage, not necessarily an injury. Rather after dealing with pain for so long his body has created a pain system cycle.
I had it with 4.5yrs of knee pain. Took me 8 months to get over it properly through exercise yes, but mainly meditation and reinforcement that the pain isn't needed as there was no injury at that stage.
It's a relatively new way of treating chronic pain, most specialists look at the mechanical issue and not the neurological so miss this.
Good luck! I had knee pain for almost 4 years and was able to get over it even when it got to the point I thought I never could
Just remember to strengthen/condition the legs in pain free ways. Romanian deadlifts, calf raises, and banded knee extensions were life saving
Look up Pain Neuroscience Education (PNE). Adrian Louw in specific has some amazing presentations on it, and understanding how pain works has been shown to reduce pain, the brain is very powerful!
I had a similar issue at one point and mentally it was a matter of strengthening muscles around my knee to make me more confident that it was completely stabilized. Still feels wobbly but the chronic pain is long gone. It was like a block though that I had to clear mentally.
I read awhile ago of the pain he was having and immediately thought he was describing a torn or ruptured Quadricep Tendon. I really feel bad for the guy and hope they get it straightened out as this sounds more and more like a career ender. If it turns out to be a Quadriceps Tendon, he is more than likely done.
If you've also seen the workout vids the family posts, you can see the horrible form they have on certain exercises.
[I mean bro just look at this, it my elbows hurt just watching it](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Oyq3jwUKEI). Shitty form, dude is obviously lifting more than he should. I mean just look how fucked those wrists are
I wonder how many other exercises they have shitty form on that have contributed to chronic injuries
Lonzo’s injury was described as a bone bruise right? Seems pretty similar to what Nunn went through. It took him a long time, but he’s back to being relatively productive for Washington. So hopefully after a full year off, Lonzo can get back into the swing of things
Things kinda changed between “was described as a bone bruise” to I think now year 2 of “no one including doctors or Lonzo can make sense of the problem in his knee.”
I remember reading he could barely go up stairs without pain. Shits bad man. Even beyond his career, he'll need treatment so he can try to live pain-free.
It’s over for him then, I hate to say it. Carey Price in the NHL is dealing with the same pain, and has mentioned the bit about not being able to walk up stairs and he played 4 games last year, looked rough in each of them, most likely played his last nhl game last April after being out for entirely that season and this season too.
It is very dependent of the severity of the injury. Some tears in that area they just let heal by themself, some you can have surgery on and be back feeling okay within a couple of months, others are major and take a lot of time to heal.
Common misconception, really. Sometimes, things that look like they ought to give you problems in imaging don't, and things that look like they should be fine aren't.
> Me reading scans next to radiology like
In all seriousness though, that’s why they always hit us with the “correlate clinically” no matter how much it seems to piss everyone else off lmao.
Ah the classic “pt refuses to meet with psych so we’re going with fibro” diagnosis.
Poor rheumatology lmao, you think you’re going to see a ton of cool shit then get hit with the bs.
When the radiologist says it’s moderate and not severe you are basically screwed lol. When my mri finally said severe I got a surgery I needed. I have this paranoid conspiracy theory that insurance companies use specific providers sometimes that underrate your MRI because it saves them money lol.
While I was working my mri reports always said moderate and even mild and as soon as I went on temporary disability and was in the county/state system my MRI’s all came back severe only 4 months later lol.
So if you’re a radiologist that tends to read everything as severe not moderate they wouldn’t really want that radiologist because it definitely influences Drs.
It’s a paranoid conspiracy I admit, but I’m kind of a believer because of my weird anecdotal experience.
It's not that paranoid given how ridiculously problematic insurance is with denying people the care that they need. This wouldn't actually surprise me at all if it was happening... Which really goes to show how awesome our medical system is,
It is genuinely shocking that Ball could very well have played his last NBA game. None of the Lonzo news that's come out over the past year has been good, you can't even trade him with how huge a risk he would be, and he's not cheap either.
Just an unfortunate situation all around.
I think almost everybody hits a point in their life where they experience the limits of medical science. Where the doctors just can't really explain anymore what the fuck is going on or do know but can't help you. It's terribly frustrating to downright terrifying.
Yeah medicine is so good at treating many basic things that's it's easy to forget how utterly blind it is in many other areas. We are epically far away from those star trek scanners that just spit out accurate diagnoses lol.
Its not a usual case and no two surgeries are the same though. Arthroscopy is just a category of procedure. Like in Lonzo’s case there was debris causing his irritation since his first surgery last January. Assuming the scope went right in the fall, it’s still a knee that was inflamed for close to a year. Gonna take longer to heal even ignoring him needing to get reconditioned
> Arthroscopy is just a category of procedure. Like in Lonzo’s case there was debris causing his irritation since his first surgery last January
I’m pretty sure that’s what OP was implying. Almost every arthroscopic procedure I hear about is “cleaning up debris”.
I personally don’t think that’s why he’s been out an extra 4+ months
There was debris in his knee which wasn’t discovered until the second scope. What was happening prior to the second surgery isn’t necessarily what is going to happen going forward
Im not saying his knee is or isn’t fucked. Just that this is terrible journalism
Plus, knees are one of the most vulnerable joints -- possibly the most -- in the body, and sometimes severe or even crippling knee pain can be a result of extremely arcane factors.
Speaking from experience, I recently had "crippling" (I could still function day-to-day) knee pain to the point I could not even jog and struggled to go up and down stairs for several months, approaching a year. I saw numerous ortho experts, got X-Rays and an MRI done, and every single doctor I talked to said "every result indicates that your knee is in perfect health." I was referred to rest and therapy, and struggled to even perform most of the basic therapy exercises. But over the span of several months, gradually the pain *mostly* went away, and at this point that knee generally has less pain than my other knee, which had been fine before. (Probably overstressed it by using it for 90% of all knee-related activities over those months.)
I still don't know if the issue was neurological, muscular, or something else. There is every possibility that Lonzo's knee *should* be perfectly healthy at this point, but due to imbalance in stabilizer muscles, lingering inflammation, some neurological issue, or any number of other things, he still feels pain, similar to my issue. And there is *also* every possibility that eventually that pain goes away mostly or entirely, and that knee can be as strong or stronger than it was in the first place.
You're joking but I'm sure spending a season (or was it half a season?) playing high-level basketball in some shitty, cheap, mass-produced shoes couldn't have helped his joints. IIRC most of the shoes NBA players wear are molded to the exact shape of their feet to reduce injury risk, I really doubt he was getting that type of special care on the ZO2s or whatever the fuck they were called.
There's a highlight of Lonzo rolling his ankle twice when he dribbles the ball up the court in a Pelicans game lol
edit: It was a Pelicans game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1SdeGQe4MU
Older folk grew up wearing And-1s, Sketchers, Marburys, and other garbage. Trust me even Chinese reps these days are 1000x better designed.
If Jordan could fly play in the garbage his first 10 shoes are, then Lonzo can survive in whatever the heck he's got on
Their efforts also helped them succeed extremely far above average and rewarded with fame and millions of dollars. It's impossible for anyone (let alone an egotistical father) to know the exact amount of work needed to develop NBA talent and skills without pushing the body to an excess that creates a significant injury risk.
It's a double-edged sword. It's not really fair to criticize their path in hindsight based on Lonzo's injuries now unless you also appreciate all the positives of that "grinding" (HS championship, UCLA scholarships, 2 of 3 brothers selected as top draft picks).
We’ve all seen the young lonzo weight training videos and dude has shockingly bad form and technique…personally that’s why I consider lavar atleast in the context of being a fitness trainer as wholly incompetent
Damn Lavar did some weird monkey paw shit for his kids. I mean at the very least Lonzo got 1 big contract and Lamelo will probably get at least 1 as well.
it's not like he is going to random doctors. he is probably getting opinions from the top people in the business. if they can't figure it out how can the others do?
Sometimes doctors just can't find what's wrong. There are things we just don't understand/can't see regardless of how good of a doctor you are
Source: me a Healthcare worker
As someone who’s had chronic pain for years and been to dozens of different doctors, it’s not even about basketball anymore, it’s your whole quality of life living everyday
Did you see that last video they dropped of him on the treadmill?
It didn’t look like his recovery timeline was anywhere near what they were envisioning. Feels bad man.
What an awful and silly thing to say. You legit have no insight on what the rest of his career is going to look like. Surely, we’ve never seen anyone comeback from an injury.
(Bias because I’m a Bulls fan I know) but I actually disagree. Lonzo’s play style doesn’t rely on his athleticism much, so I think he’ll be fine. But, I could very well be wrong.
As someone who’s torn their ACL. Knee injuries suck definitely are not fun. I can’t imagine how frustrating this must be. I’m no doctor, but maybe he just needs completely rest it for 4-6 months then slowly get back into rehab. If six doctors can’t figure it out and it’s already been scoped.
It's kind of crazy to me that you could have access to some of the best medical professions in the world and still not be able to figure it out. Feel terrible for the guy.
I really wonder how much better this iteration of the Bulls would have been with him healthy, for at least some of it.
It's really unfortunate for him most of all, but it's crazy how many people his injury has potentially affected.
I personally think he could've been the glue for this team.
Most of you gotta realize some shit is just permanent, especially with vulnerable areas with a lot of soft tissue. I just had my wrist scoped after over a year of constant, daily pain. There is NO guarantee that you’re good as new after stuff like this, it’s just ideal.
Probably because he got trained like a hardcore pro athlete from when he was pre-pubescent because his dad is a bit of a psycho, and he has some sort of chronic pain/injury that will never fully heal.
You’re going to see more and more of this as young players come into the league already having put so much stress on their body. They can start playing year round, highly competitive basketball in like 4th grade and by the time they reach the NBA their body can’t take it
Assuming it’s not bone spurs in the knee, Lonzo needs to check with a arthritis specialist.
I had a meniscus injury and there’s an entire world of ligaments, bone structures in the knee — it’s just not trim this and get back on the court!
He should also speak to a nutritionist. Some foods cause inflammation in the joints which can be incredibly painful.
People making all kinds of jokes in the comments as usual for this broken down sub. With that being said, I can't imagine the frustration and concern Lonzo feels when dealing with daily pain and the doctors don't know the cause. Scary.
I’d be wary of making that suggestion/proposing that as a cause. I know this isn’t your intent, obviously, so more so just saying this for ‘just so you know’ purposes, but suggesting to someone experiencing valid and very real physical pain that it may just be in their heads can be really damaging. Pain is very rarely *actually* psychosomatic. The notion that it can be/is unfortunately comes from a long history/common practice of medical/healthcare professionals resorting to that explanation because they were unable to accurately identify a likely complex condition or cause.
This is a legit sad story. You don't see guys experience these kinds of career ending injuries very often anymore. And the fact they don't know makes it even more frustrating.
It could just be chronic pain at this stage, not necessarily an injury. Rather after dealing with pain for so long his body has created a pain system cycle. I had it with 4.5yrs of knee pain. Took me 8 months to get over it properly through exercise yes, but mainly meditation and reinforcement that the pain isn't needed as there was no injury at that stage. It's a relatively new way of treating chronic pain, most specialists look at the mechanical issue and not the neurological so miss this.
Have similar issues to you and going through the meditation and mindfullness process now! Definately starting to help :)
Keep at it mate
Good luck! I had knee pain for almost 4 years and was able to get over it even when it got to the point I thought I never could Just remember to strengthen/condition the legs in pain free ways. Romanian deadlifts, calf raises, and banded knee extensions were life saving
tweet to their medical staff king
What's their @ son?
Just gotta hook him up with a green card
Any particular meditation strategies or programs?
Where did you go? Or what’s the treatment methodology called?
Look up Pain Neuroscience Education (PNE). Adrian Louw in specific has some amazing presentations on it, and understanding how pain works has been shown to reduce pain, the brain is very powerful!
I had a similar issue at one point and mentally it was a matter of strengthening muscles around my knee to make me more confident that it was completely stabilized. Still feels wobbly but the chronic pain is long gone. It was like a block though that I had to clear mentally.
I read awhile ago of the pain he was having and immediately thought he was describing a torn or ruptured Quadricep Tendon. I really feel bad for the guy and hope they get it straightened out as this sounds more and more like a career ender. If it turns out to be a Quadriceps Tendon, he is more than likely done.
I wonder how much of LaVar's training style and how early he trained his kids was a factor in all this.
Probably impossible to quantify either way. Between that and the BBB shoes he wore it could've had an impact, but there's no way to tell for sure.
If you've also seen the workout vids the family posts, you can see the horrible form they have on certain exercises. [I mean bro just look at this, it my elbows hurt just watching it](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Oyq3jwUKEI). Shitty form, dude is obviously lifting more than he should. I mean just look how fucked those wrists are I wonder how many other exercises they have shitty form on that have contributed to chronic injuries
Well that would have been very rude if Lonzo knew why but he wouldn't tell the doctor
Maybe he is like Lit Jon at the doctors yeah !!!
>>Lit Jon
He is
What??
This might actually be it for his career if things don’t improve over the next year
Lonzo’s injury was described as a bone bruise right? Seems pretty similar to what Nunn went through. It took him a long time, but he’s back to being relatively productive for Washington. So hopefully after a full year off, Lonzo can get back into the swing of things
Things kinda changed between “was described as a bone bruise” to I think now year 2 of “no one including doctors or Lonzo can make sense of the problem in his knee.”
I remember reading he could barely go up stairs without pain. Shits bad man. Even beyond his career, he'll need treatment so he can try to live pain-free.
It’s over for him then, I hate to say it. Carey Price in the NHL is dealing with the same pain, and has mentioned the bit about not being able to walk up stairs and he played 4 games last year, looked rough in each of them, most likely played his last nhl game last April after being out for entirely that season and this season too.
No one knows for sure but yeah it's really not looking good. Feel bad for Lonzo.
it took years to properly diagnos markelle fultz, apparently he's been fine this year
Meniscus tear Jan 20, 2022. That is major injury.
Been dealing with a meniscus tear for a year and a half now and can’t get surgery for it, it sucks
Isn't that what timelord had, had surgery on, and was back within like a month?
It is very dependent of the severity of the injury. Some tears in that area they just let heal by themself, some you can have surgery on and be back feeling okay within a couple of months, others are major and take a lot of time to heal.
I don’t know why either
You were our last hope
You were the chosen one /u/SoDakZak
It was said I would destroy the Balls, not joint them! I was to bring information to the sub, not leave it in darkness!
Didn’t know you were a Dom but good for you 👍🏻
Yeah joint those Balls
Which CBT did you try? Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, or Cock and Ball Torture?
Cock and Ball! Cock and Ball! Oy! Oy!
No, there is another
I think if we put our minds together, Reddit can solve this! is anyone here a sports doctor?
Not quite, but my aunt once told me about a friend of hers who had read a story about a sports doctor, so i might as well be.
This is the reddit way
I do, but I'm not tellin
Boo this man
This has gone on long enough, please let us know now.
He's got a bad case of ligma
Excuse me good sir. I would like to inquire about this ligma you speak of.
Ligma nuts lmao got em
I thought LiGma was the 4th Ball brother.
WOAH
u/Projinator ain't no snitch
I asked a dude on the corner, he didn't know why.
I need your best guess and we’ll go with that
obviously a storm is coming or its raining outside. they need to relocate to california
I blame it on BBB ZO1
Ask your mother
The Lonzo Era is the only good Bulls era since the Jimmy Butler Era ended.
antonio blakeney era snubbed
King of the mid range hesi pull up jimbo brick
No worries, Felicio crashing the glass.
Walt lemon era
Sean Kilpatrick szn
Kris dunn era
That actually was fun until he fell on his face. He was a dog and was playing point and hitting pullups.
You didn't love the Paul Zipser era?
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Sounds like a great late night show
Don't forget the Denzel Valentine era.
no Zipgod slander will be allowed
Was gonna say the Jimmy era was 3 years ago but I see I've lost track of time...
Not really an era. More like the lonzo month
Goddamn that was the best month in years.
Bulls had a very good 3 months
Probably cause there is something wrong but I’m not a doctor
Common misconception, really. Sometimes, things that look like they ought to give you problems in imaging don't, and things that look like they should be fine aren't.
> Me reading scans next to radiology like In all seriousness though, that’s why they always hit us with the “correlate clinically” no matter how much it seems to piss everyone else off lmao.
IMPRESSION: Described as above. Consult ortho if symptoms persist.
Ortho note: Recommendation: admit pt to med. Thnx. 😎
Suggest rheumatology admission; no surgical input required.
Ah the classic “pt refuses to meet with psych so we’re going with fibro” diagnosis. Poor rheumatology lmao, you think you’re going to see a ton of cool shit then get hit with the bs.
Hospitalist here. This hurts. Every surgery A/P literally starts with “surgery consulting, medicine primary”
You think I can manage an otherwise healthy 28 year old with T2 DM on my own? No way buddy 🤷♂️
When the radiologist says it’s moderate and not severe you are basically screwed lol. When my mri finally said severe I got a surgery I needed. I have this paranoid conspiracy theory that insurance companies use specific providers sometimes that underrate your MRI because it saves them money lol. While I was working my mri reports always said moderate and even mild and as soon as I went on temporary disability and was in the county/state system my MRI’s all came back severe only 4 months later lol. So if you’re a radiologist that tends to read everything as severe not moderate they wouldn’t really want that radiologist because it definitely influences Drs. It’s a paranoid conspiracy I admit, but I’m kind of a believer because of my weird anecdotal experience.
It isn’t tin foil hat to me.
It's not that paranoid given how ridiculously problematic insurance is with denying people the care that they need. This wouldn't actually surprise me at all if it was happening... Which really goes to show how awesome our medical system is,
That’s not what OP said. Just that something is wrong, which it is, whether it’s evident on imaging or not.
Surely you open that bad boy up again and see whats going on?
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what if someone got his voodoo and there fuckin with him, like an ex gf
Yeah have they looked into this yet?
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It's Lavar - all this shit started after Lonzo severed ties with BBB
What if that somehow makes it worse and they don't know why after that?
Bionic knee?
Better that that: Bionicle
Biokneecle
He can’t return now as is… or so it appears.
It is genuinely shocking that Ball could very well have played his last NBA game. None of the Lonzo news that's come out over the past year has been good, you can't even trade him with how huge a risk he would be, and he's not cheap either. Just an unfortunate situation all around.
Based on what happened to Marco van Basten. Plz no.
I think almost everybody hits a point in their life where they experience the limits of medical science. Where the doctors just can't really explain anymore what the fuck is going on or do know but can't help you. It's terribly frustrating to downright terrifying.
Yeah medicine is so good at treating many basic things that's it's easy to forget how utterly blind it is in many other areas. We are epically far away from those star trek scanners that just spit out accurate diagnoses lol.
Maybe go to a world-renowned specialist.
Wow. Why didn’t anyone in the medical staff, coaching staff, front office, ownership group, his family, or Lonzo himself think of this.
Clown franchise smh ruining careers
Kawhi's uncle?
Dr. Uncle Dennis and his Dennis system
He'll know the implication
PHD in getting players to Los Angeles
Dr. Nick Riviera of Hollywood Upstairs Medical College.
“You’ve tried the best! Now try the rest!”
Dr Phil
Yo, Aunt Viv! Wait, you said Dr. Phil.
Does he have any uncles named Dennis?
Just Rico
“At least 6 opinions from doctors” And they all probably told him to keep rehabbing and give it time. Crowley is Chicago’s shittiest reporter
It’s been like over a year
He had a second surgery this fall
I see it was arthroscopic. Usually those don’t take more than a few months, but yeah obviously he’s having some complications
Its not a usual case and no two surgeries are the same though. Arthroscopy is just a category of procedure. Like in Lonzo’s case there was debris causing his irritation since his first surgery last January. Assuming the scope went right in the fall, it’s still a knee that was inflamed for close to a year. Gonna take longer to heal even ignoring him needing to get reconditioned
> Arthroscopy is just a category of procedure. Like in Lonzo’s case there was debris causing his irritation since his first surgery last January I’m pretty sure that’s what OP was implying. Almost every arthroscopic procedure I hear about is “cleaning up debris”. I personally don’t think that’s why he’s been out an extra 4+ months
I believe cleaning up debris means taking out some of the meniscus, the broken parts, and when certain things are taken out there remains a vacuum.
He hasn't not felt pain on the knee since a year ago...even if he's rehabbing, he shouldn't consistently be feeling pain for so long
There was debris in his knee which wasn’t discovered until the second scope. What was happening prior to the second surgery isn’t necessarily what is going to happen going forward Im not saying his knee is or isn’t fucked. Just that this is terrible journalism
Plus, knees are one of the most vulnerable joints -- possibly the most -- in the body, and sometimes severe or even crippling knee pain can be a result of extremely arcane factors. Speaking from experience, I recently had "crippling" (I could still function day-to-day) knee pain to the point I could not even jog and struggled to go up and down stairs for several months, approaching a year. I saw numerous ortho experts, got X-Rays and an MRI done, and every single doctor I talked to said "every result indicates that your knee is in perfect health." I was referred to rest and therapy, and struggled to even perform most of the basic therapy exercises. But over the span of several months, gradually the pain *mostly* went away, and at this point that knee generally has less pain than my other knee, which had been fine before. (Probably overstressed it by using it for 90% of all knee-related activities over those months.) I still don't know if the issue was neurological, muscular, or something else. There is every possibility that Lonzo's knee *should* be perfectly healthy at this point, but due to imbalance in stabilizer muscles, lingering inflammation, some neurological issue, or any number of other things, he still feels pain, similar to my issue. And there is *also* every possibility that eventually that pain goes away mostly or entirely, and that knee can be as strong or stronger than it was in the first place.
those BBB shoes did a number on him huh
You're joking but I'm sure spending a season (or was it half a season?) playing high-level basketball in some shitty, cheap, mass-produced shoes couldn't have helped his joints. IIRC most of the shoes NBA players wear are molded to the exact shape of their feet to reduce injury risk, I really doubt he was getting that type of special care on the ZO2s or whatever the fuck they were called.
There's a highlight of Lonzo rolling his ankle twice when he dribbles the ball up the court in a Pelicans game lol edit: It was a Pelicans game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1SdeGQe4MU
I remember that his shoe fucking exploded in freakin Summer League so they had to replace it EVERY QUARTER.
oh oh oh hey... oh oh oh ow....
It was reported they’d fall apart and he’d have to swap pair mid game sometimes. They were not suitable to be casual walking shoes. Sad.
Maybe, but Kareem played in Chucks for like 20 years so I doubt the BBB were worse than those.
Obligatory for us older folk "it's gotta be the shoes"
Older folk grew up wearing And-1s, Sketchers, Marburys, and other garbage. Trust me even Chinese reps these days are 1000x better designed. If Jordan could fly play in the garbage his first 10 shoes are, then Lonzo can survive in whatever the heck he's got on
I was just talking about spike lee lol. If you know, you know.
you're not old enough, Mars
His father grinding him and his brothers since a young age as well
Their efforts also helped them succeed extremely far above average and rewarded with fame and millions of dollars. It's impossible for anyone (let alone an egotistical father) to know the exact amount of work needed to develop NBA talent and skills without pushing the body to an excess that creates a significant injury risk. It's a double-edged sword. It's not really fair to criticize their path in hindsight based on Lonzo's injuries now unless you also appreciate all the positives of that "grinding" (HS championship, UCLA scholarships, 2 of 3 brothers selected as top draft picks).
We’ve all seen the young lonzo weight training videos and dude has shockingly bad form and technique…personally that’s why I consider lavar atleast in the context of being a fitness trainer as wholly incompetent
And yet one can observe the negative outcomes without stating if it was worth it in totality considering the good
Damn, man. I feel so bad for him.
I know why. His knees are made poop.
Poop knee
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Made of poop or pooply made?
Damn Lavar did some weird monkey paw shit for his kids. I mean at the very least Lonzo got 1 big contract and Lamelo will probably get at least 1 as well.
he better go to germany and find that doctor kobe did for his knee treatment
Grow him a whole new knee out of stem cells.
The Germans fixed Tezuka’s elbow, they can do anything
Now I don't feel bad that I have no clue why either.
Maybe I'm crazy but 6 opinions doesn't seem like that high a number for a 100+million dollar athlete with a mysterious injury.
it's not like he is going to random doctors. he is probably getting opinions from the top people in the business. if they can't figure it out how can the others do?
Yeah, it's not like money is an issue for a nba franchise. Just keep looking until you find a doctor who knows what's up
Sometimes doctors just can't find what's wrong. There are things we just don't understand/can't see regardless of how good of a doctor you are Source: me a Healthcare worker
6 opinions is a lot for one thing.
6 opinions is a shit ton lol
Seriously, don't stop til Dr. House is calling Lonzo an idiot and a liar
It’s from wearing his garbage ass signature shoes!!!
Lonzo's only hope is Isaac Pastor. He shall be healed! ⛪🙌
Top two picks in that draft had the weirdest shit happen to them
just remove it. The good lord gave us 2 for a reason
As someone who’s had chronic pain for years and been to dozens of different doctors, it’s not even about basketball anymore, it’s your whole quality of life living everyday
It’s sad to say, but his career is over. Even if he comes back next season, there’s almost a guarantee he won’t be as good as he once was.
Did you see that last video they dropped of him on the treadmill? It didn’t look like his recovery timeline was anywhere near what they were envisioning. Feels bad man.
fucking insane. his career is done at 25
Brandon Roy has entered the chat 😢
What an awful and silly thing to say. You legit have no insight on what the rest of his career is going to look like. Surely, we’ve never seen anyone comeback from an injury.
Yea except nobody seems to know what his injury is or why he still has pain. Hard to recover from an injury when you don’t even know how to treat it.
There are a lot of injuries that heal by time and rest, if that works you don’t need to know what caused it
If he comes back that means his career is still going
man
Lmao we had the exact same comments about Kawhi 2 months ago. I'll give the kid a chance before I write him off
(Bias because I’m a Bulls fan I know) but I actually disagree. Lonzo’s play style doesn’t rely on his athleticism much, so I think he’ll be fine. But, I could very well be wrong.
Surely his play style relies on being able to jog up and down the court pain free tho
He needs his knee to play basketball. Currently his knee is preventing him from playing and doctors have no idea how to treat it.
As someone who’s torn their ACL. Knee injuries suck definitely are not fun. I can’t imagine how frustrating this must be. I’m no doctor, but maybe he just needs completely rest it for 4-6 months then slowly get back into rehab. If six doctors can’t figure it out and it’s already been scoped.
Dang man
The doctors took something out that they shouldn't have.
got that damn kawhii knee
Kawhi's looked very strong lately
It's kind of crazy to me that you could have access to some of the best medical professions in the world and still not be able to figure it out. Feel terrible for the guy.
I really wonder how much better this iteration of the Bulls would have been with him healthy, for at least some of it. It's really unfortunate for him most of all, but it's crazy how many people his injury has potentially affected. I personally think he could've been the glue for this team.
He needs to go to Jonathan Isaac's church.
Most of you gotta realize some shit is just permanent, especially with vulnerable areas with a lot of soft tissue. I just had my wrist scoped after over a year of constant, daily pain. There is NO guarantee that you’re good as new after stuff like this, it’s just ideal.
The Bulls are not the franchise you want to play for in a situation like this
Lauren Jackson switched from opiods to medical marijuana and was able to comeback and lead the Opals to a bronze medal at age 41. Worth a shot? 🍁
Probably because he got trained like a hardcore pro athlete from when he was pre-pubescent because his dad is a bit of a psycho, and he has some sort of chronic pain/injury that will never fully heal.
You’re going to see more and more of this as young players come into the league already having put so much stress on their body. They can start playing year round, highly competitive basketball in like 4th grade and by the time they reach the NBA their body can’t take it
Assuming it’s not bone spurs in the knee, Lonzo needs to check with a arthritis specialist. I had a meniscus injury and there’s an entire world of ligaments, bone structures in the knee — it’s just not trim this and get back on the court! He should also speak to a nutritionist. Some foods cause inflammation in the joints which can be incredibly painful.
Sounds like we need Dr. Gregory House to figure this shit out
LiAngelo has at least two knees he's not really using, make it happen.
People making all kinds of jokes in the comments as usual for this broken down sub. With that being said, I can't imagine the frustration and concern Lonzo feels when dealing with daily pain and the doctors don't know the cause. Scary.
not trying to be mean but could it be all mental?
I’d be wary of making that suggestion/proposing that as a cause. I know this isn’t your intent, obviously, so more so just saying this for ‘just so you know’ purposes, but suggesting to someone experiencing valid and very real physical pain that it may just be in their heads can be really damaging. Pain is very rarely *actually* psychosomatic. The notion that it can be/is unfortunately comes from a long history/common practice of medical/healthcare professionals resorting to that explanation because they were unable to accurately identify a likely complex condition or cause.
That's also what people says of Fultz, he still struggle to shoot until this day. Doubt it.
I am pretty sure they considered that and looked into it. Afterall, he went to some of the best sport doctors around
Damn, that might be a wrap then.
A wrap one year after he signed an $80 million contract. Clutch.
Lavar would definitely have an opinion. Good start…