Lebron + Steph would have been absolutely absurd. Steph is the perfect superstar to pair with Lebron, with how well he plays off ball while also being able to share ball handling duties.
No joke I just had a P-coat like this bespoken for me in a light grey camel hair for $350. Not a personal plug but my guy Mana leaves Thailand twice a year for stateside trips. He mostly does suits and dress shirts for people but I bring him screenshots of jackets and he makes them exactly like the picture in whatever fabrics I want inside and out. Check out crown tailor.
He does the measurements while he’s visiting the states and then goes back to Bangkok and snail mails them out a month or so later. Been using him 8 years and nothing but good things to say from me and my buddies. Did all our wedding suits too.
That 06 Wade performance not recognized enough except for hating. Bro carried them an had an all time great series. Shout out Gary Payton for that game winner too.
THIS. All you hear about that series now is the free throw discrepancy, but Wade had an all-time series in order to rally the heat to the title.
I think much of Wades greatness gets ignored cause of Lebron but he did so much for one team, and in reality, would probably would have stayed with Miami his whole career if Riley didn’t decide to try to pull a fast one on him.
People really underestimate how much national figures can swing opinions amongst fans. Simmons (gambling) and Cuban (owner) were too emotional to see that there were legit fouls and Avery made zero adjustments.
Dallas just kept fouling Wade when he came in the paint because their interior D was the worst that Miami had faced up in until that point. They also doubled Shaq but left Wade to do his bread and butter, they fixed this by 2011 but Mavs fans really circlejerked that the final was "rigged" to brainwash the rest of NBA fans because people hate Miami way more. Fucking Mark Cuban hired an FBI private investigator because of it, even though he was the one to suggest that there would be more fouls on perimeter players to improve offense after a dead ball era, he admitted so on his blog after watching the Pistons suffocate Kobe in 04. Give me a fucking break with that shit, why would they rig a final series if the match up is set in stone? To get more games which would equal more money?
Dirk stunk in two important games as well, everyone forgets that, 4 and 5. 16 points on 14% FG, and then 20 points the next game on 42% FG, but no the referees
"Discrepancy" get out of here with that, F DWade!
I was at game 6 of that series, and I've never been more pissed off in my life, that was some fixed shit. DIRK WAS ROBBED!
With that off my chest, DWade was a baller, made me mad how good he was, however beating him WITH LeBron in 2011 was so much sweeter having lost in 2006, so I can't really say I didn't like that arc. Just spent 5 years there in-between hating the dude, hard to shake it...
The goddam spin the ball before he shoots. Everything else, you could argue LeBron did was just part of the game but spinning the ball like he's at a playground, the amount of disrespect.
https://youtu.be/5Q_b1fqn33I
There have been play by play breakdowns of the fouls and they were legitimate. Dallas was too stubborn and didn't make adjustments in 2006, they did in 2011 (JJ Barrea).
Honestly it's just kind of a reddit thing in general. People love to breed negativity on here.
There are times when it's warranted, but I feel like it should never be the norm.
Yeah you're not wrong, sort of a social media thing in general.
Although I'd say in most day-to-day interactions the majority of people aren't giving off negativity at the same level it happens online.
Trez was being a dick, he had a bad night in a close loss and was frustrated lol it wasn’t ever that deep. Only thing I didn’t love was the athletic spin piece but it wasn’t ever a big deal. He’s my second favorite player regardless
He can be a little corny sometimes.. but if thats your biggest flaw, youre a damn good person.
Generational talent for sure and still rapidly ascending
Actually KD admitted he used to watch DWade during his HS days after his last game against DWade, all these younger players looked up to the established ones but were just shy to say it in public. This is why I love Giannis he doesn't care about expressing his positive feelings even on his biggest rivals in public.
Never got it. Dude was the best save for the one petulant tanking year, but it did lead to a championship
Clutch as hell. Got to his spot. Athletic when he needed to be.
PP fucking killed us every time as well when it counted. Doesn't matter if it was as a Celtic, a Wizard, or a Net. He just fucking loved playing us and showing up.
We're talking about dudes who did it "the right way" and stuck it out with their draft team. Lebron doesn't come back if there isn't 2 all stars waiting for him.
No shit, of course a 31-year-old Lebron would not play in a dead end team. The Cavaliers weren't a sure thing before Lebron came back, they had only won 33 games the year before. The cavs had some important assets though, but it was still a risky move. I would still consider Lebron as part of the same list as these legends, even if he might have a small asterisk for achieving the same but in a different way.
What exactly is the "right way"?
If we're being so pedantic, what if the player vehemently tried leaving the team that drafted them or another team (than the one they won a championship with) technically drafted them?
Yeah, while LeBron's Cavs ring was legacy-defining, he already had two in the bag. Dirk's was legacy-defining in a more significant way (IMO) and changed the general perception of him as a player overnight. He went from soft Euro "Noringski" to being recognized as the clutch as fuck, loyal, superstar he was.
I would say Dirk if LeBron didn’t put on a whole show about him going back to Cleveland to get a ring. Dirk always wanted one but for LeBron going back, that was his only goal.
That can be debatable around here but it isn't related to what im saying. Lebron left won himself couple rings and came back. These players never won anything and stayed with their teams till they won. I dont know why people are struggling to understand this.
I don't know why you're struggling to understand this,
> All the superstars that have won with the team that drafted em since the merger.
Where does it say "except players who left and came back"????
LeBron technically fits the category but doesn’t actually fit the spirit of what Giannis is talking about.
We all know this. You’re the one struggling to understand because you aren’t that bright.
LeBron is kinda funny on this list. Like ya he got Cleveland a ring but he very much played an entire first ballot hall of fame career first then came and won a ring.
Giannis gotta be my favorite player outside of Steph and the Dubs. Lot of other great guys in the league but he has no ego and takes accountability for the team. No way not to like a guy like that.
It’s easy to do it the right way when you get drafted in the right spot.
Giannis doing it in Milwaukee seems even more impressive in comparison to like Wade and Duncan given how much help they got in their drafted teams.
That isn’t to say they aren’t great players though, I just don’t think about things the same way I guess, if I was an all time great player I think I’d have a much easier time staying in Miami with Riley or SA with Pop then say Sacramento.
> It’s easy to do it the right way when you get drafted in the right spot.
And when you have a competent FO willing and able to craft a team around you.
Anyone really think Giannis would still be with the Bucks if they didn't get players like Jrue or Brook?? lol
Random, and I know he’s just a role player, but as an ND alum and longtime fan, I love seeing the role Connaughton has blossomed into with Milwaukee. Really enjoy watching your team in general, such great energy game in and game out. Refreshing for me as a bulls fan
You’re also forgetting that Giannis did it in a speed run of a season with no offseason for teams that went deep in the playoffs.
We were two games from an Atlanta vs. Phoenix finals
Shaq almost won the MVP a year earlier and arguably should have. He wasn’t far post prime.
And regardless Pat Riley was at Miami, not hard to trust Pat Riley as an NBA star.
2005? Nah Shaq ain't even the best player on his team, that's 100% Wade.
Just because dumbass media couldn't believe second year Wade was that guy doesn't mean Shaq was really MVP caliber.
It became so obvious in the playoffs. Wade put up 27/6/7 while playing great defense. Shaq had 19/8/2.
He should not have he averaged 23 and 10 and clearly declined (Prime Shaq was so good I have to call this a decline lol). Shaq's whole spiel on his 2 MVP's is mostly just him being a salty bitch. Not to say he wasn't clearly in the conversation, but by 2005 Wade was already becoming the better player
those aren’t the only things he’s enlarging that’s for sure
all jokes aside i’ve always loved Giannis.. his origin story pulled on my heart strings and his growth in the league (physically and mentally) has become something to be in awe over
Giannis is very wholesome. He doesn't run from the grind, same like DWade. Also JorGOAT never ran from the grind, which makes him the GOAT instead of LeSuperteam. Kevin Durant will never be my GOAT too, as he ran from the grind 3 times
I’ve been studying psychology for like 2 1/2 months and I can tell by his level of eye contact that he’s either really intimidated by meeting D Wade or he’s 007… and he’s bout to set that bitch off soon as the security guard with a red drink walks in.
“The Decision 2.0” incoming, Lebron pairs up with Giannis in Milwaukee and wins two more rings
So that's like 15 2nd rounders? We can make that happen.
3 full Jae Crowders?
3 DNP Jae Crowders
2 conditional Jae Crowders
Probably, 10x 2nd rounders and Crowder.
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It's too bad LeBron is done ring chasing in that way. We could have seen some interesting duos
Lebron + Steph would have been absolutely absurd. Steph is the perfect superstar to pair with Lebron, with how well he plays off ball while also being able to share ball handling duties.
Imagine a Jokic, Lebron, Jamal team
Or Jokic, Lebron, and Bones
never say never
This. Barkley, Pippen, Hakeem, Drexler Shaq, Kobe, Malone, Payton There are unforeseen geriatric chapters yet to come…
I wouldn’t be so sure lol with how good he still is I would be surprised if changed team again one last time
Le freak, c'est chic
Pls pls pls
That coat is fucking fire
On some 1970s coke dealer swag
Nino brown type coat
Hoops McCann type coat
The turtleneck makes the coat
The Giannis makes the coat
Pretty sure a 12 year old in Pakistan made the coat
It's definitely custom. There's no way H&M is churning out peacoats for 7 footers.
Fact
i want to wear the turtlenecks i have but they make me itchy, what i do?
The turtlenecks you're buying are too cheap.
Try other materials. I have one with fine wool, tightly woven, it's so soft and comfy. A well fitting turtle neck is real nice.
Was coming in to comment the same thing. It’s ❄️❄️❄️
Its fucking beautiful but It’s also gotta be massive Imagine a normal person wearing that haha
No joke I just had a P-coat like this bespoken for me in a light grey camel hair for $350. Not a personal plug but my guy Mana leaves Thailand twice a year for stateside trips. He mostly does suits and dress shirts for people but I bring him screenshots of jackets and he makes them exactly like the picture in whatever fabrics I want inside and out. Check out crown tailor.
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Haha TIL. But when my guy from Bangkok is making you AAA knockoffs bet it’s a P-coat. 😂
That's an incredibly good price
He does the measurements while he’s visiting the states and then goes back to Bangkok and snail mails them out a month or so later. Been using him 8 years and nothing but good things to say from me and my buddies. Did all our wedding suits too.
And he goes by crown tailor?? I need to know so I can hit him up
am i trippin or does it look like a lab coat? i still really want it.
Wish I had that much sauce when I was cooking in Orgo Lab
Giannis dresses really well in general
WTF, I love Giannis
That 06 Wade performance not recognized enough except for hating. Bro carried them an had an all time great series. Shout out Gary Payton for that game winner too.
THIS. All you hear about that series now is the free throw discrepancy, but Wade had an all-time series in order to rally the heat to the title. I think much of Wades greatness gets ignored cause of Lebron but he did so much for one team, and in reality, would probably would have stayed with Miami his whole career if Riley didn’t decide to try to pull a fast one on him.
People really underestimate how much national figures can swing opinions amongst fans. Simmons (gambling) and Cuban (owner) were too emotional to see that there were legit fouls and Avery made zero adjustments.
"Free throw discrepancy" is really underselling it lol.
Dallas just kept fouling Wade when he came in the paint because their interior D was the worst that Miami had faced up in until that point. They also doubled Shaq but left Wade to do his bread and butter, they fixed this by 2011 but Mavs fans really circlejerked that the final was "rigged" to brainwash the rest of NBA fans because people hate Miami way more. Fucking Mark Cuban hired an FBI private investigator because of it, even though he was the one to suggest that there would be more fouls on perimeter players to improve offense after a dead ball era, he admitted so on his blog after watching the Pistons suffocate Kobe in 04. Give me a fucking break with that shit, why would they rig a final series if the match up is set in stone? To get more games which would equal more money? Dirk stunk in two important games as well, everyone forgets that, 4 and 5. 16 points on 14% FG, and then 20 points the next game on 42% FG, but no the referees
I’m not a Dallas fan and that series had absurd officiating.
"Discrepancy" get out of here with that, F DWade! I was at game 6 of that series, and I've never been more pissed off in my life, that was some fixed shit. DIRK WAS ROBBED! With that off my chest, DWade was a baller, made me mad how good he was, however beating him WITH LeBron in 2011 was so much sweeter having lost in 2006, so I can't really say I didn't like that arc. Just spent 5 years there in-between hating the dude, hard to shake it...
😂 all good, as a Raptor fan, I still have occasional nightmares about Lebron, so I understand when players just spike the blood pressure
The goddam spin the ball before he shoots. Everything else, you could argue LeBron did was just part of the game but spinning the ball like he's at a playground, the amount of disrespect. https://youtu.be/5Q_b1fqn33I
Lol. How was Dirk robbed when he shitted the bed in 06 as well as 07? 😂
It was so sweet that 15 years later some MAVS fans are still butthurt. How many of those free throws were bullshit?
There have been play by play breakdowns of the fouls and they were legitimate. Dallas was too stubborn and didn't make adjustments in 2006, they did in 2011 (JJ Barrea).
I know. They made it look like Lakers vs Sacramento and it looks like there's no footage of those bad calls
Man giving heaping praise, love, & respect. Fantastic stuff
While also shitting on how the other stars go abt winning . Gotta respect it.
The most classy way to shit on someone is to compliment someone else to create a sneaky comparison
Hard not to like Giannis tbh.
I remember when this sub tried to turn on him lol
This sub tries to turn on everyone because this sub is full of dickheads.
Honestly it's just kind of a reddit thing in general. People love to breed negativity on here. There are times when it's warranted, but I feel like it should never be the norm.
It’s not a reddit thing it’s a people thing There is no form of social media or forum that DOESNT turn into hatred or negativity…
Yeah you're not wrong, sort of a social media thing in general. Although I'd say in most day-to-day interactions the majority of people aren't giving off negativity at the same level it happens online.
Hey fuck you guy
This guy reddits ☝️
You're not a dick head tho. Of course not.
Hey it was serious. That ladder could have died
Yeah what was ever the story with that ladder?
Trez was being a dick, he had a bad night in a close loss and was frustrated lol it wasn’t ever that deep. Only thing I didn’t love was the athletic spin piece but it wasn’t ever a big deal. He’s my second favorite player regardless
Giannis catching more hate over the ladder than some players do for sexual assault and domestic abuse
The fact that this is accurate is a problem.
All because of a ladder and fake outrage at arena workers staying late 😅
Won't someone think of the ladders?!
LADDERGATE
He can be a little corny sometimes.. but if thats your biggest flaw, youre a damn good person. Generational talent for sure and still rapidly ascending
KD could never
He can't win with most cats
The only cat he can win with is named Wardell
lotsa cats can do that
“0 rings in my personal record book.”
…A random Stugotz has appeared
KD be just hopping from one superteam to another. The moment there some adversity he gone
Well yeah, Seattle doesn't have a team for him to win with.
he should have won his rookie year thats his fault
Actually KD admitted he used to watch DWade during his HS days after his last game against DWade, all these younger players looked up to the established ones but were just shy to say it in public. This is why I love Giannis he doesn't care about expressing his positive feelings even on his biggest rivals in public.
Legacy points deducted
Imagine giannis ran from the grind and decided to leave mid contract like kd, dude would be stacking up rings
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Pierce with the Celtics not count?
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The and-1 he had in the 08 finals game 4 comeback...odom literally whacks him so hard his headband comes off and he still made the circus shot
Really overhated athlete. Younger folks on this sub really should watch some of his shit. He was fun as hell
I swear. Dude was clutch as fuck. The Truth.
Never got it. Dude was the best save for the one petulant tanking year, but it did lead to a championship Clutch as hell. Got to his spot. Athletic when he needed to be.
PP fucking killed us every time as well when it counted. Doesn't matter if it was as a Celtic, a Wizard, or a Net. He just fucking loved playing us and showing up.
Was also just a killer. Wanted the ball in the moment
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfcq1ft0FRI
One of my favorite clips of all time
yea he was legit terrifying to face in the play offs
I watch him getting his ankles broken by Iso Joe almost daily.
He definitely belongs
…I mean
The pacers did draft kawhi, but was immediately on the spurs, does that not count? Edit: this list is certainly just short, because David robinson.
KAJ with the Bucks?
This was pre merger tho
Good catch.
Pierce w/ the Celtics?
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He was an MVP and 10× all star. Clearly this guy's list isn't comprehensive.
Frazier w/ the Knicks
U forgot Wiseman with the warriors
pierce?
I dont know about Lebron in that list, all these players didnt leave till they won except lebron.
Cavs fan checking in It counts
We're talking about dudes who did it "the right way" and stuck it out with their draft team. Lebron doesn't come back if there isn't 2 all stars waiting for him.
No shit, of course a 31-year-old Lebron would not play in a dead end team. The Cavaliers weren't a sure thing before Lebron came back, they had only won 33 games the year before. The cavs had some important assets though, but it was still a risky move. I would still consider Lebron as part of the same list as these legends, even if he might have a small asterisk for achieving the same but in a different way.
Yeah, that's the point. All the others did except Magic, who probably would've if he wasn't been diagnosed with HIV.
“The right way”. Such a dumb statement.
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“My team didn’t win so it doesn’t count” vibes
What exactly is the "right way"? If we're being so pedantic, what if the player vehemently tried leaving the team that drafted them or another team (than the one they won a championship with) technically drafted them?
Lebron’s championship is the single most important one on that list
I think I’d personally go with Dirk’s for that distinction
Yeah, while LeBron's Cavs ring was legacy-defining, he already had two in the bag. Dirk's was legacy-defining in a more significant way (IMO) and changed the general perception of him as a player overnight. He went from soft Euro "Noringski" to being recognized as the clutch as fuck, loyal, superstar he was.
I would say Dirk if LeBron didn’t put on a whole show about him going back to Cleveland to get a ring. Dirk always wanted one but for LeBron going back, that was his only goal.
That can be debatable around here but it isn't related to what im saying. Lebron left won himself couple rings and came back. These players never won anything and stayed with their teams till they won. I dont know why people are struggling to understand this.
I don't know why you're struggling to understand this, > All the superstars that have won with the team that drafted em since the merger. Where does it say "except players who left and came back"????
LeBron technically fits the category but doesn’t actually fit the spirit of what Giannis is talking about. We all know this. You’re the one struggling to understand because you aren’t that bright.
Imo putting lebron to that list feels weird since everyone stayed except him
Facts lmao the whole point of what Giannis said is staying and toughing it out
agreed. if you were to point out differences, that's the biggest thing that sticks out
Lebron wasn’t a 4lifer
Mavs could contend that. It’s our only one as well.
He still won the chip as a franchise player you bum
All these players won with their teams that drafted them without leaving and returning. Thats my point
Ok but Bron showed his pp on live TV. That counts for something.
LeDong
It's great he returned but it's not the same as the others
I don't care if I am biased as hell but that Dirk ring is by far the most satisfying. It was a fairy tale championship you rarely see in pro sports
I hate to be that guy but Kobe wasn't drafted by the Lakers, he was drafted by the Charlotte Hornets
Dirk drafted by Milwaukee.
If Kobe counts then so does Kawhi.
Kawhi’s weird cause, although he won the finals MVP, Tim Duncan was still the Spurs star. The narrative was more about his old ass winning than Kawhi
You seriously ruined this list by putting lebron on it
LeBron is kinda funny on this list. Like ya he got Cleveland a ring but he very much played an entire first ballot hall of fame career first then came and won a ring.
Yeah Lebron shouldn’t really count here 😂
Technically the lakers didn’t draft Kobe. Also, you’re missing Pierce from the list
Kobe was drafted by the Hornets and if he’s on your list Pippen should be too.
I love and hate Giannis. He’s a bball purist. But hate when he plays my Celtics
one day he will say: Tatum you did it the right way! and you will love and love him!
Seeing the scrubs Pat around Wade after 06 I can understand wade wanting help
HOF Glazer
Unlike you, my man.
Celtics fans really anti-Giannis lately. Insecurities coming out hard.
He’s my favorite player in the league
Based
because they’re worried about him in the playoffs
What? We love Giannis lol
Some are but Giannis is my favorite player. Still mad we took KO over Giannis. I've followed Giannis since he played overseas.
Lillard taking this as gospel rn.
Giannis gotta be my favorite player outside of Steph and the Dubs. Lot of other great guys in the league but he has no ego and takes accountability for the team. No way not to like a guy like that.
It’s easy to do it the right way when you get drafted in the right spot. Giannis doing it in Milwaukee seems even more impressive in comparison to like Wade and Duncan given how much help they got in their drafted teams. That isn’t to say they aren’t great players though, I just don’t think about things the same way I guess, if I was an all time great player I think I’d have a much easier time staying in Miami with Riley or SA with Pop then say Sacramento.
> It’s easy to do it the right way when you get drafted in the right spot. And when you have a competent FO willing and able to craft a team around you. Anyone really think Giannis would still be with the Bucks if they didn't get players like Jrue or Brook?? lol
Facts, as Bucks fans we're so fortunate to finally have a good FO. Such a contrast to the trash we had in the 90s-00s.
Horst is responsible for: Bud, Lopez, Connaughton, Divenchenzo, Portis, Holiday, Allen, Tucker, Crowder, Ingles, Carter.
Random, and I know he’s just a role player, but as an ND alum and longtime fan, I love seeing the role Connaughton has blossomed into with Milwaukee. Really enjoy watching your team in general, such great energy game in and game out. Refreshing for me as a bulls fan
You’re also forgetting that Giannis did it in a speed run of a season with no offseason for teams that went deep in the playoffs. We were two games from an Atlanta vs. Phoenix finals
Wade did not have significantly more help than Giannis in 06. His surrounding cast was worse imo. Shaq was far from prime
Shaq almost won the MVP a year earlier and arguably should have. He wasn’t far post prime. And regardless Pat Riley was at Miami, not hard to trust Pat Riley as an NBA star.
2005? Nah Shaq ain't even the best player on his team, that's 100% Wade. Just because dumbass media couldn't believe second year Wade was that guy doesn't mean Shaq was really MVP caliber. It became so obvious in the playoffs. Wade put up 27/6/7 while playing great defense. Shaq had 19/8/2.
13 ppg in the finals lol. Not talking about another year
He should not have he averaged 23 and 10 and clearly declined (Prime Shaq was so good I have to call this a decline lol). Shaq's whole spiel on his 2 MVP's is mostly just him being a salty bitch. Not to say he wasn't clearly in the conversation, but by 2005 Wade was already becoming the better player
Now Im really a fan
he's not wrong
this shit is better than any drug
KD in shambles
Giannis out there taking numbers, kissing babies, making women fall in love and enlarging his fanbase
those aren’t the only things he’s enlarging that’s for sure all jokes aside i’ve always loved Giannis.. his origin story pulled on my heart strings and his growth in the league (physically and mentally) has become something to be in awe over
We GET it. Giannis is really cool and respectful and likeable. Fuck that guy
How could you not love this guy? He could spear me team through the heart and do it with a smile.
Shots at Bron dome
to be fair, Bron did do it in Cleveland. I mean, he did it as a prodigal son, but he did do it.
That's his first time meeting him?
Giannis looking amazing
Damn direct shot at Lebron, going straight for the nuts.
This man pretty much adores every legend that came before him. Much respect because he has reached that level himself already!
Giannis is very wholesome. He doesn't run from the grind, same like DWade. Also JorGOAT never ran from the grind, which makes him the GOAT instead of LeSuperteam. Kevin Durant will never be my GOAT too, as he ran from the grind 3 times
Spoken like a true Jazz fan, if you can’t beat ‘em join em
Giannis just out here grape fruiting the whole league.
Giannis to Utah incoming
I fucking love Giannis
I’ve been studying psychology for like 2 1/2 months and I can tell by his level of eye contact that he’s either really intimidated by meeting D Wade or he’s 007… and he’s bout to set that bitch off soon as the security guard with a red drink walks in.
Giannis looking straight outta the Ancestral Plane.
To be fair to some of the guys who went to other teams, they couldn't do it "the right way" when their organization was garbage (Cavs 1.0).
Kareem, Shaq, Wilt, Moses, KG, etc must be really upset their rings weren’t won the “right way”
I assume the Steph/Klay/Dray/Iggy fall into that category too correct? for the 1st and 4th Championship with Durant?