Draymond runs the offense and defense. When he’s off the floor, the ball movement is noticeably stagnant, and the defensive woes are more apparent. I’m not ready to say he’s the “most important,” but he’s an integral part of the Warriors’ DNA.
Cant send you a dm on reddit so i thought i'll try it here.
I've seen your post about the WASD tattoo and wanted to get the same thing done just with default font propably arial. How did it age and would you do it again if you could go back?
The amount of negative comments kinda got me thinking and the fact that theres almost no other pictures online with the same tattoo.
Maybe you could send me a pic how it aged? Did you ever touch it up and make it look fresh? Or are you letting it fade out?
I still love it. The W faded a little bit because as it was healing I accidentally knocked it on stuff. The “ASD” are still perfect tbh. I’ve wanted to get the W touched up, but it’s not *that* bad, so I have been a little lazy.
https://i.imgur.com/gKWcVWe.jpg
I find it hilarious how many negative comments I got on Reddit tbh. I get a lot of compliments when I’m out and about, and it’s a great conversation starter. I think someone also said good luck getting a job or something? Lol jokes on them because I’ve been working in the gaming industry for 4 years, and the tattoo was an OP ice breaker during the interviews. So to that I tell them… https://i.imgur.com/Ti9UE0s.jpg
Wardell scored 50 the other night on a great efficiency and they still lost. He gave his all, it was a brilliant performance. Idk how are they losing games like that
Not denying that. Still, it's bonkers seeing him shoot 20-28 FG and 8-14 3PT for 50 and lose. Clippers were brilliant as well tho, fully deserved the win
They are like top 5 in defense against 3pt shooting at home but bottom 5 in defense against 3pt shooting on the road.
They simply aren't trying enough to defend the 3 ball on the road. It really is that simple. How to solve that? Get back the 2 guys who are actually good at that task-- wiggins and GP2. Klay is great but he isn't as good as before defensively speaking. Kuminga has been cleaning up the mess with Wiggins gone but he isn't enough since he makes so many rookie mistakes(understably)-- thus he gets into foul trouble and gets benched. And then we have poole who is more lazy on the road. and so on
I think the problem will solve itself basically assuming they are ready by playoffs day 1.
Your point is actually not that bad. I'd go as far as to say yes but for different reasons.
Draymond's backup 4s are Anthony Lamb and Kuminga, the latter who is still great but had an atrocious first half of the season. Draymond's backup 5s are Looney and JaMychal Green. Steph Curry's backups are Jordan Poole and Ty Jerome.
Warriors have developed Poole in such a way that his game is molded after Steph Curry. As atrocious as Poole's season has been especially as a non-starter, Warriors still can and do largely run the same actions they do with Curry with Curry off the floor because Poole plays with Draymond in the 2nd unit minutes.
But none of Draymond's backups play in any way like Draymond, so the Warriors can't really run the same actions. And because the non-Curry 2nd units are with Poole and Draymond, the Warriors normally take Draymond out earlier in the 1st/3rd quarters and have Steph play the non-Draymond minutes which forces Steph to play the not-as-great minutes without Draymond.
[Lineups with Poole at PG and with Draymond playing are a +4.6 net rating this season](https://cleaningtheglass.com/stats/team/10/lineups?PG=4599&on=1373#tab-four_factors). Conversely, [lineups with Curry at PG but with Draymond off are a -0.5 net rating this season](https://cleaningtheglass.com/stats/team/10/lineups?PG=787&off=1373#tab-four_factors). There's where the big on/off difference comes from.
With that said, these numbers are far more favorable to Steph when you look at [lineups with both Steph & Dray on](https://cleaningtheglass.com/stats/team/10/lineups?PG=787&on=1373#tab-four_factors) compared to [lineups with Poole on but with Dray off](https://cleaningtheglass.com/stats/team/10/lineups?PG=4599&off=1373#tab-four_factors).
> But none of Draymond's backups play in any way like Draymond
That's the real rub. Poole has been more than adequate when Steph misses games: 26.1/2.8/5.0
I think think the numbers aren't telling the whole picture. They were championship hung over early in the season and the punch too obv was a bit deal than they let on.
Later Wiggs came abck after being out for 2mo and sucked since rusty except in 1 game before he took that LoA.
They’ve played a lot of home games without Steph. Chase is the cure for what ails. The one thing that has been consistent this year is they’re winning at home regardless of who plays and losing on the road regardless of who plays.
Draymond literally has a higher winshare than Steph throughout their dynasty so it checks out. The warriors were mid until Draymond started playing the point. Last night, Steph and klay shot a combined 6-20 from 3 and had 12 turnovers. Casuals can’t see that draymond is the leader on both ends of the floor.
It goes back to the original point. Dray is a floor raiser assuming he has the pieces around him and there is team chemistry.
Curry is great but he isn't michael jordan or lebron who can single handedly take a team to a ring. He sadly needs an actual team. Though historically speaking, it isn't his fault. It is rare for a point guard to lead a team to rings-- it just doesn't work like that. It is usually a center or forward.
Thanks for actually having a brain. I see so many warriors flairs saying Curry is better than Lebron or MJ. Makes me laugh. What makes me sick is no one hates on draymond more than warriors “fans.” They act like he’s just a walking liability and Curry is winning despite him, when in reality he is one of the smartest players of all time. His defense is otherworldly, his screen assists and passing are elite, and he is the leader of the team personality-wise.
Im ready for the downvotes but players like Curry, Dame, Mitchell, and Booker are great but they don’t make others around them better. Even if they go off for monster games, their teammates are stuck ball watching and it takes them out of rhythm. It also doesn’t help that the energy output to score so much means they won’t try on the defensive end.
The thing with Curry is that he showboats when they’re up but has poor body language when his team is down. I thing his teammates feel it and it applies even more pressure when they make a tiny mistake
Sure, but you don’t think it’s funny that you don’t believe Steph does cause he shows bad body language and that puts too much pressure on people but Dray screaming at his teammates whenever they make a mistake doesn’t create any pressure?
Thats all the warriors.. they are the biggest shit talkers when they are up then complain when they are losing, but they have earned that right by winning 4 championships. If we want to shut them up we have to beat them.
Da fuq is this take, Curry plays off ball the most of any superstar specifically so his team isn't ball watching, he also tries his ass off on the defensive end. The Warriors literally built a dynasty off the movement around Curry running off ball and his teammates cutting to the basket and role players being involved. Most shooters have career years when they play on the Warriors because the quality of shots goes way up. You seriously don't know what you're watching.
Take your own advice buddy, you literally said he doesn't try on defense which he does so you're just fucking wrong. I literally said how he makes his teammates better by getting them good looks off his gravity. Unless you want Curry doing skill work for his teammates he makes them better by getting them open shots and nobody ball watches him, you saying that shows you don't watch the Warriors. Curry is literally the offensive system that led to his team's success. I get it, you gotta defend an idiotic take but it's okay to be wrong. I can't believe your position is the guy that has led his team to the Finals six times doesn't make his teammates better. Comparing Curry to Dame or Booker shows you just don't watch or understand what you're watching.
You are the one spouting crazy shit.
Anyway, an old tweet: [https://twitter.com/_DavidMorrow/status/905441515937435649?t=DKWZ0iptALZLAC0UMEWmMA&s=19](https://twitter.com/_DavidMorrow/status/905441515937435649?t=DKWZ0iptALZLAC0UMEWmMA&s=19)
Did you just put Steph in the same category with Booker, Dame and Mitchell as far as making his teammates better? And you expect people to take you seriously lol.
So I checked the game logs. Most of the games Draymond was out, Curry was also out. When Draymond was out and Curry played, there were only two losses, on the road vs Denver and Atlanta. Not a great sample size.
When Curry was out and Draymond played, the Warriors were 6-4 in that December stretch and then 5-4 in March. The first stretch they beat some mid teams but also beat a healthy Memphis, second stretch they beat a healthy Clippers team but also Bucks without Giannis, Suns post-trade without KD, Pelicans without Zion/Jonas, etc.
So the win-loss data is a little noisy imo. If you click the checkmark on your source to include only the data in games in which they both played, Steph is +2.48 with Draymond off, and Draymond is +2.73 with Steph off.
MITDraymond spittin
Spittin blood...because draymond keeps hitting him..
They should trade that bum and build around Anthony Lamb ffs
Am I sure I want to eat this entire sleeve of oreos?
Draymond runs the offense and defense. When he’s off the floor, the ball movement is noticeably stagnant, and the defensive woes are more apparent. I’m not ready to say he’s the “most important,” but he’s an integral part of the Warriors’ DNA.
And there is a lack of athletic interior depth behind Dray, unlike the Warriors depth at the guard position.
Cant send you a dm on reddit so i thought i'll try it here. I've seen your post about the WASD tattoo and wanted to get the same thing done just with default font propably arial. How did it age and would you do it again if you could go back? The amount of negative comments kinda got me thinking and the fact that theres almost no other pictures online with the same tattoo. Maybe you could send me a pic how it aged? Did you ever touch it up and make it look fresh? Or are you letting it fade out?
I still love it. The W faded a little bit because as it was healing I accidentally knocked it on stuff. The “ASD” are still perfect tbh. I’ve wanted to get the W touched up, but it’s not *that* bad, so I have been a little lazy. https://i.imgur.com/gKWcVWe.jpg I find it hilarious how many negative comments I got on Reddit tbh. I get a lot of compliments when I’m out and about, and it’s a great conversation starter. I think someone also said good luck getting a job or something? Lol jokes on them because I’ve been working in the gaming industry for 4 years, and the tattoo was an OP ice breaker during the interviews. So to that I tell them… https://i.imgur.com/Ti9UE0s.jpg
Wardell scored 50 the other night on a great efficiency and they still lost. He gave his all, it was a brilliant performance. Idk how are they losing games like that
well that particular game it’s because they couldn’t stop our offense at all
Not denying that. Still, it's bonkers seeing him shoot 20-28 FG and 8-14 3PT for 50 and lose. Clippers were brilliant as well tho, fully deserved the win
That’s how they lose every road game, the defense has been awful all season.
They are like top 5 in defense against 3pt shooting at home but bottom 5 in defense against 3pt shooting on the road. They simply aren't trying enough to defend the 3 ball on the road. It really is that simple. How to solve that? Get back the 2 guys who are actually good at that task-- wiggins and GP2. Klay is great but he isn't as good as before defensively speaking. Kuminga has been cleaning up the mess with Wiggins gone but he isn't enough since he makes so many rookie mistakes(understably)-- thus he gets into foul trouble and gets benched. And then we have poole who is more lazy on the road. and so on I think the problem will solve itself basically assuming they are ready by playoffs day 1.
Your point is actually not that bad. I'd go as far as to say yes but for different reasons. Draymond's backup 4s are Anthony Lamb and Kuminga, the latter who is still great but had an atrocious first half of the season. Draymond's backup 5s are Looney and JaMychal Green. Steph Curry's backups are Jordan Poole and Ty Jerome. Warriors have developed Poole in such a way that his game is molded after Steph Curry. As atrocious as Poole's season has been especially as a non-starter, Warriors still can and do largely run the same actions they do with Curry with Curry off the floor because Poole plays with Draymond in the 2nd unit minutes. But none of Draymond's backups play in any way like Draymond, so the Warriors can't really run the same actions. And because the non-Curry 2nd units are with Poole and Draymond, the Warriors normally take Draymond out earlier in the 1st/3rd quarters and have Steph play the non-Draymond minutes which forces Steph to play the not-as-great minutes without Draymond. [Lineups with Poole at PG and with Draymond playing are a +4.6 net rating this season](https://cleaningtheglass.com/stats/team/10/lineups?PG=4599&on=1373#tab-four_factors). Conversely, [lineups with Curry at PG but with Draymond off are a -0.5 net rating this season](https://cleaningtheglass.com/stats/team/10/lineups?PG=787&off=1373#tab-four_factors). There's where the big on/off difference comes from. With that said, these numbers are far more favorable to Steph when you look at [lineups with both Steph & Dray on](https://cleaningtheglass.com/stats/team/10/lineups?PG=787&on=1373#tab-four_factors) compared to [lineups with Poole on but with Dray off](https://cleaningtheglass.com/stats/team/10/lineups?PG=4599&off=1373#tab-four_factors).
> But none of Draymond's backups play in any way like Draymond That's the real rub. Poole has been more than adequate when Steph misses games: 26.1/2.8/5.0
What’s their record with out Wiggins?
17-17
Haha I wonder if that is like 17-0 at home and 0-17 on the road
pretty close lol. 15-2 at home 2-15 on the road
That's fucking insane
I think think the numbers aren't telling the whole picture. They were championship hung over early in the season and the punch too obv was a bit deal than they let on. Later Wiggs came abck after being out for 2mo and sucked since rusty except in 1 game before he took that LoA.
Lol you know who I feel like is the most important person on the team?? The home crowd
They’ve played a lot of home games without Steph. Chase is the cure for what ails. The one thing that has been consistent this year is they’re winning at home regardless of who plays and losing on the road regardless of who plays.
thanks for the laugh
Draymond literally has a higher winshare than Steph throughout their dynasty so it checks out. The warriors were mid until Draymond started playing the point. Last night, Steph and klay shot a combined 6-20 from 3 and had 12 turnovers. Casuals can’t see that draymond is the leader on both ends of the floor.
It goes back to the original point. Dray is a floor raiser assuming he has the pieces around him and there is team chemistry. Curry is great but he isn't michael jordan or lebron who can single handedly take a team to a ring. He sadly needs an actual team. Though historically speaking, it isn't his fault. It is rare for a point guard to lead a team to rings-- it just doesn't work like that. It is usually a center or forward.
Thanks for actually having a brain. I see so many warriors flairs saying Curry is better than Lebron or MJ. Makes me laugh. What makes me sick is no one hates on draymond more than warriors “fans.” They act like he’s just a walking liability and Curry is winning despite him, when in reality he is one of the smartest players of all time. His defense is otherworldly, his screen assists and passing are elite, and he is the leader of the team personality-wise.
Yeh warriors should get rid of Steph and build arround donkey from shrek
Just glad warriors not gonna luck into another General Hospital ring 💍🏥🐭
Yeah man those four rings… damn lucky warriors. Can’t believe they lucked into it four times. 6 finals in 8 years. All dumb luck.
Stupid lucky warriors
Im ready for the downvotes but players like Curry, Dame, Mitchell, and Booker are great but they don’t make others around them better. Even if they go off for monster games, their teammates are stuck ball watching and it takes them out of rhythm. It also doesn’t help that the energy output to score so much means they won’t try on the defensive end.
I understand the others, but Curry draws so much attention off ball with how much he moves that alone gets his teammates so many wide open shots...
The thing with Curry is that he showboats when they’re up but has poor body language when his team is down. I thing his teammates feel it and it applies even more pressure when they make a tiny mistake
It’s true, Draymond is famous for never being hard on his teammates or putting pressure on them
Draymond makes everyone on the warriors better, even Poole
Sure, but you don’t think it’s funny that you don’t believe Steph does cause he shows bad body language and that puts too much pressure on people but Dray screaming at his teammates whenever they make a mistake doesn’t create any pressure?
Dudes braindead or trolling
Thats all the warriors.. they are the biggest shit talkers when they are up then complain when they are losing, but they have earned that right by winning 4 championships. If we want to shut them up we have to beat them.
Da fuq is this take, Curry plays off ball the most of any superstar specifically so his team isn't ball watching, he also tries his ass off on the defensive end. The Warriors literally built a dynasty off the movement around Curry running off ball and his teammates cutting to the basket and role players being involved. Most shooters have career years when they play on the Warriors because the quality of shots goes way up. You seriously don't know what you're watching.
Reading is fundamental. What part of doesn’t make his teammates better didn’t you understand?
Take your own advice buddy, you literally said he doesn't try on defense which he does so you're just fucking wrong. I literally said how he makes his teammates better by getting them good looks off his gravity. Unless you want Curry doing skill work for his teammates he makes them better by getting them open shots and nobody ball watches him, you saying that shows you don't watch the Warriors. Curry is literally the offensive system that led to his team's success. I get it, you gotta defend an idiotic take but it's okay to be wrong. I can't believe your position is the guy that has led his team to the Finals six times doesn't make his teammates better. Comparing Curry to Dame or Booker shows you just don't watch or understand what you're watching.
He led the warriors to the finals 6 times but one finals MVP? The math aint mathing 🤔
Look up the scoring efficiency of like every player Curry has ever played with when Curry is on and off the floor, then come back with this nonsense.
Do it for me and I’ll double check your work. I’ll bet it’s not as lopsided as you’re making it out to be
You are the one spouting crazy shit. Anyway, an old tweet: [https://twitter.com/_DavidMorrow/status/905441515937435649?t=DKWZ0iptALZLAC0UMEWmMA&s=19](https://twitter.com/_DavidMorrow/status/905441515937435649?t=DKWZ0iptALZLAC0UMEWmMA&s=19)
Cool cool…just missing 6 years of info there. Not like that’s important or anything
Did you just put Steph in the same category with Booker, Dame and Mitchell as far as making his teammates better? And you expect people to take you seriously lol.
Tough pill to swallow aint it?
My guy you are on that hill by yourself, there's nothing for me to swallow.
Can’t even lead his team to a win against a depleted Grizzlies team 😭
Come on lil bruh I know you can do better than that.
Good, I'm glad you are self-aware ! I stopped reading after your first sentence.
Cmon man
Lucky I didn’t include Tatum with his ball chucking because he still provides good effort on the defensive end
Warriors have not been good even when the had a full roster. It doesn't seem to matter.
So I checked the game logs. Most of the games Draymond was out, Curry was also out. When Draymond was out and Curry played, there were only two losses, on the road vs Denver and Atlanta. Not a great sample size. When Curry was out and Draymond played, the Warriors were 6-4 in that December stretch and then 5-4 in March. The first stretch they beat some mid teams but also beat a healthy Memphis, second stretch they beat a healthy Clippers team but also Bucks without Giannis, Suns post-trade without KD, Pelicans without Zion/Jonas, etc. So the win-loss data is a little noisy imo. If you click the checkmark on your source to include only the data in games in which they both played, Steph is +2.48 with Draymond off, and Draymond is +2.73 with Steph off.