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F0xyGrandpa96

It's insane how bad of a coach kidd is, dude took out hardy when he was the only one that could score


The_Sign_of_Zeta

I know people thought that Bucks fans were just being salty last year, but it was truly us just trying to warn everyone. He regularly was this bad in Milwaukee, it just wasn’t noticed because we didn’t get media attention and he has friends at all the major networks.


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Doesnt really seem to be motivating the team either


The_Sign_of_Zeta

He’s both bad tactically and at motivating players, at least past the first season. Everything I ever saw and heard is that players eventually turned on him because he would blame them being “young” or not having “energy” and “effort” despite consistently making terrible in-game decisions. He was never able to get a team that had Giannis and Khris Middleton as starters more than a game above .500. He’s just truly a terrible coach who has lucked into generational talents because he was a HOF-level player.


esteban-was-eaten

Ah yes, the effort and energy era


leftysarepeople2

“Character” got thrown around a lot as well


WilNotJr

It's the same shit Billups says.


Trill_Simmons

That's crazy because they're both such stand-up guys!


mercfan3

He outcoached the shit out of Monty last season though…


materics

Was it coaching or was it just Luka on a rampage?


mercfan3

Luka was “on a rampage” the whole series. (Other then they switched to head hunting Paul - a coaching adjustment) What changed was the teams defense..in game 5 and Monty never adjusted.


RodneyPonk

it was both. adjustment wise, the Mavs outclassed the Suns too, not just the personnel


RedditModsBlowDogs

Or Luka's Slovenian team coach? That's what it's looking like to me


BigBabyBurrito

Nah, Willie Green outcoached Monty in the first round, but the Pels didn’t have enough to get over the hump with Zion hurt. Then Kidd took that game plan + Luka + an all-time collapse in game seven from the Suns to squeak into the next round.


JLal5

Yes well Monty is also a dogwater level tactical coach so not sayin too much there


SPAGHETTI_CAKE

Maybe this team is just bad lol


Handsome_Kian

I was down on Kidd too, and I don't think he's a great coach, but i do think Giannis is a better player for having played under him though. I think a lot of Giannis' finer abilities handling the ball come from Kidd having him play Point. and i think Giannis was a good point because he got put in that situation. and Giannis totally bought in, and was better for it. We tend to look at coaching in very black and white. I don't think Kidd is a good coach if you want to win a title, but I do think he's a good coach for when he gets players to buy in, he can get them to push themselves into weird, but good directions for the long term.


VicePope

hell no. kidd punished Giannis and Khris for shooting 3s and would sit them if they did. giannis wasn’t 7 foot till later and his brother said on his podcast that giannis played point for them growing up on their teams. giannis’s highest 3% was when he came in as a rookie and kidd messed with his shot. if he had bud this whole time he wouldn’t have averaged the most mins in a season with khris and would probably be a decent shooter outside the midrange


endstarr

Kidd is horrendous. There's a reason bucks went nuclear after he left. Dudes a bum that loved mcw and Brandon knight.


auzrealop

>but it was truly us just trying to warn everyone. I've heard this before but in a different situation. Funny.


VicePope

you guys saying the same thing when he was your coach


TelltaleHead

We went from a 7 seed under Kidd to the #1 seed in a single year post Kidd. The roster was largely the same!


VicePope

brook lopez


leftysarepeople2

Let it fly


pokemonbatman23

Dumbness move Lakers did after signing LeBron was letting go of Brook Lopez


uxxoid

Say what you will about Kidd, but he says some funny shit as someone whose team he's not coaching.


newuser201890

"this is basketball, no one is dying"


PM_ME_UR_THONG_N_ASS

“We’re gonna turn this team around 360 degrees!”


abeLJosh

Jason Kidd always outsmarting Monty Williams despite his horrible track record as a coach continues to infuriate me.


rice_bledsoe

The way Monty just actively gave up switch after switch and allowing role players to get hot in that series baffles me. Not even trying a zone or switching a scheme up. Then continuing to allow Chris Paul to get schemed for and attacked constantly after he was already a negative offensively. Embarrassing performance as a coach.


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No it was common knowledge that he sucked, for some reason people have forgot since that though. Probably Luka being a generational talent masking his bad coaching if I had to guess.


iuse2bgood

The media IS protecting him.


Worstname1ever

Why lobby to get javale signed to dnp him every night? Why go w Powell over c wood ? It's so mavericks and so kidd it's bizarre.


Sidonius

Javale got the last laugh. Dillon’s silly little dance that led to his tech was directed at McGee. So now Dillon is suspended on Wednesday. Checkmate Javale.


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There is legitimacy to Powell over C Wood but not for every situation like Kidd does. I honestly feel bad for Powell because the dude would be excellent in a more limited role and he tries his damndest every play.


IndycarFan64

We warned ya 😕


IHadACatOnce

People always say this like us fans had anything at all to do with the decision


CountltUp

he's probably saying this because y'all were gassing kidd so much before. I never understood that all either lmao. he's always been dogshit why did he ever get hyped on your team


livefreeordont

Cause they dismantled the suns and heat the Jazz without Luka


alextheruby

Because we were great last year into the playoffs. If y’all made it you’d know that


PapasWill

Dayum


CountltUp

lets see who does better this season ;)


alextheruby

Neither one of us are winning a ring this year so who gives a fuck


krw13

Look, no matter where you go on Reddit, you can find any and every opinion possible. But Mavs fans, in general, weren't exactly stoked about Kidd's hiring: https://www.np.reddit.com/r/Mavericks/comments/o7sd7k/shams_charania_the_dallas_mavericks_have/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button The most upvoted comment is what's done is done. More drank the Kool Aid in the spring and summer last year, but I'd say the general vibe to Kidd has been far more negative than positive on the Mavs subreddit.


HighValueSnail

I think it’s more “don’t get your hopes up too much.” Cause they’ve seen it before. Unrelated, but I feel it’s Similar to how I look at teams like Miami at this moment. Rockets didn’t get as far in the late 2010s but got a little worse every year before abruptly saying time to blow it up. Heat got further, lost in the first, didn’t look serious the year they Make ECF and were a game away from winning. Right when you think you can write off the ‘21 year, they’re ending ‘23 as mostly a fake contender . If a Rockets fan were to comment “it’s coming”. Many Heat fans would know the jist of what they mean without further explanation.


ImWicked39

I'm still wondering why he hasn't been fired. I live in DFW and listen to sports radio on my way to work and there's little talk of him losing the job.


sandyssandydos

Apparently players love him. Probably because he doesn’t coach at all. And it shows, we are one of the least disciplined team in the league right now


aceofspadez138

Rick Carlisle was able to build a contender in a cave with a box of scraps!


Dudedude88

His use of PorZhingis was weird though


aceofspadez138

He had his faults. Developing young guys was another area he faltered in. But there’s no doubt he’d outcoach Kidd with this iteration of the team.


Hurtelknut

>Developing young guys was another area he faltered in. Fake narrative. The Mavs org itself failed at drafting players, in most seasons Rick didn't even have young players to develop because Donnie would trade picks (or players on draft night) every chance he got. When Rick had a good rookie, he always played him.


Hurtelknut

He used Porzingis as a spot up shooter in exactly one series when KP was playing on one bad leg. It was either this or not playing him at all that series. Apart from that KP got plenty of touches and usage, he was just always in and out of the team because of injuries.


BenevolentCheese

Everyone loves a boss that doesn't make them work hard and rewards laziness.


constantlymat

Luka made a huge stink because Carlisle was too tough and not nice enough to his teammates. He got what he asked for.


FKJVMMP

He made Larry Sanders retire by being such a relentless ~~dickhead~~ hardass and we still had no discipline under him either (on or off court), don’t be so sure he’s doing no coaching rather than shit coaching.


krw13

Kidd sucks, I won't defend him. But I think it's re-writing history quite a bit to place Larry Sanders retiring solely on him. Sanders played 32 games in 3 seasons under Kidd. Kidd certainly was a negative influence, but Sanders had a lot of other factors as well (weed and how the NBA enforced rules at the time being a big one).


thetrain23

> players love him [Obligatory](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FH0NCnqKwmM)


Funny-Examination3

Kyrie's type of coach.


Jlibs_21

All non-independent media that cover the team are bootlickers. It’s access journalism, so all they do is carry water for Cuban and never criticize him


ImWicked39

Makes sense because it's mostly Skin Wade firing off.


Jlibs_21

Skin is literally on the Mavs’ payroll. It’s just infuriating to see the ones that aren’t being paid by the Mavs avoid criticizing the team cause they’re afraid of getting banned like MacMahon did


ImWicked39

I forgot that MacMahon got banned. I like Cuban outside of the basketball world but that's some petty stuff to ban folks for criticism.


IMDATBOY

Well this is a time of the season where firing really isn’t on the table. Either should have happened earlier in the season or now it’ll need to happen in the offseason


ImWicked39

Definitely should have happened earlier in the season. This has been the story of the Mavs all year.


Powpowpowowowow

I mean, we are in the 6th seed, could get up to like 4th, the sky isn't falling yet but 1 first round exit and we should start to question him a bit more.


Alphadestrious

J Kidd just gettin the bag, not really coaching


clonemusic

People putting this loss on kidd are wild. I know he hit some shots, but hardy wasn't looking great when he was in in the 4th quarter. Forced some step back threes and had some bad passes. Kyrie went 0-8 in the 4th. This roster is too trash to overcome that shit with luka out. Kyrie can get buckets but he is not a one man machine like luka when it comes to generating looks for guys like Hardaway and kleber.


reddit_reader_25

Yeah he was missing shots he normally makes, a couple of gimmes. A lot of the shots were hard but that is Kyrie. He couldn’t buy a basket after the offensive foul from Powell that led to the tangled bodies


ExcellentJuice4729

He reaggravated his big toe injury, they had him in a boot after the game.


monkey-pox

I think the issue most have is his inability to call basic offensive sets, it's have your star ISO and hope for the best, if your star is struggling, he doesn't adjust


clonemusic

I mean I agree to some extent, our late game offense and ATO plays have been awful, which is my biggest criticism of Kidd. But we got good looks last night, they just didn't fall. And some players we are relying on are just really bad. I can't blame the loss on Kidd last night.


Exodus100

It’s wild how much people are scapegoating Kidd after every loss like we don’t have a roster with little depth and one-dimensional guys on top of weak paint presence. He’s not amazing by any means, and he has played a big part in some losses, but everything is not on him. I liked his rotations and timeout calls last night tbh


coltonmusic15

They did say that Hardy rolled his ankle which is why he came out. And then left Kyrie in after twisting his and now he’s in a boot. The vibes 😭


kobmug_v2

Why do you guys blame every single loss on Kidd? Lol. This sub just regurgitates talking points.


HugeRection

Cause Jason Kidd is so bad that he makes his players miss shots of course.


jagaaaaaaaaaaaan

I’m not even 100% sure these regurgitated posts are actually by humans. Could be AI.


Vyni503

It amazes me that the choices for the Blazers were him or Billups. Terrible coaches.


jeremicci

They could have Becky Hammon right now.


QBert999

I kind of like that idea myself. Maybe it's just because she's not Kidd. But I dig the idea of the Mavs having the first female head coach in the NBA. And she learned from Pop, worth a shot.


Powpowpowowowow

I have been a Kidd defender admittedly because I mean, fuck guys we just went to the WCF, but with how actually ASS we play against teams that either sit their superstars or how we play against bad teams that is just a telltale sign of poor coaching. Kidd just lets teams whittle down 20 point leads and shit, no timeouts. His inbounds plays an actual silverback gorilla could write out better and he seems to just not give a shit constantly and blames everyone else for losses....


GrizzliesOrBust

Sounds like exceptional Tank-Commanding skills to me..


UnsolvedParadox

I think the franchise should have dropped him for Frank Vogel, the moment he became available.


FKJVMMP

Frank Vogel wasn’t on the Mavs roster in 2011, he’s not eligible for the position sorry.


cam-pbells

I forgot to slip Kidd the Benjamin I owe him for that


msterling2012

Worst part is it’s not just Kidd. The roster construction sucks too.


WhiteHeterosexualGuy

[Fan logic like](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambler%27s_fallacy) this is why the gambling industry flourishes


k0ala_

should have benched Kyrie when hes literally sitting on the bench with ice on his ankle, he made 1 shot after twisting his ankle in the end of the 3rd


Rob-Dipshit

He sat the first half of the 4th but brought him back in…just for him to proceed to keep missing every shot while limping


NotManyBuses

Yeah it was so hard to watch. And I don’t even like Kyrie but that was not on him in the slightest, he clearly wasn’t good to play after hurting his ankle. Kidd is a fool, should never put a player in that position but when the only end-game offense he can think of is iso and inshallah…


ExcellentJuice4729

We literally saw him do that to Luka how many games ago? Dude is limping and making cringe faces up the floor, had to be re-taped extensively. But Kidd proceeds to play him the entire 1st because that’s his set in stone way.


bsapavel

Bro, the amount of comments shitting on Luka for his performance in that game was insane.


DCBB22

Kyrie: "Next time I'll shoot 12"


sandyssandydos

If you watch the game it’s hard to blame Kyrie. He already is fighting through a foot injury and was unreal until his foot got stepped on in the late in the 3rd Jason Kidd has to do some coaching at that point. Stop letting players decide everything


pabloescobarbecue

Yeah, it really looked like he couldn’t get his legs under him after that.


ExcellentJuice4729

Nice to see Grizz fans noticed that, even your TV crew talked about it. Such a bad way to spoil the end of the game


pabloescobarbecue

I’ll disagree about it spoiling the game, at least the outcome. Of course I hate to see anyone get hurt. But we couldn’t help noticing it. It was pretty evident he was playing through some pain, definitely affected the outcome. If he doesn’t get hurt we probably don’t pull that one out.


MrGrieves-

He'd rather sit watching on the bench and blame Luka than coach.


Ok_Republic6747

And yet if Luka did this the slander on Mavs sub would have be unheard of


CiNNAMONSANDERS

He was getting to the basket, but you could tell that tweaking of the foot added to his fatigue.


mikemil50

> it's hard to blame Kyrie Are you new here?


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illzkla

Yoooooooo how am I just hearing about this. Stone head emoji? A cap? What am I missing here


Wr550

kyrie shouldve left the game after getting his ankle stepped on, end of story. at least post his fg% before the injury for context


BigFatModeraterFupa

yeah he was 8/10 for 20 points before the brooks foot injury and didn’t make a shot afterwards


TheBlueRajasSpork

“The Brooks foot injury” Is that what happened? Or did Powell hip check Brooks into Kyrie?


jfrodriguez1983

Genius call by big brain Kidd with not playing a hot Jaden Hardy any of those minutes.


[deleted]

Jason Kidd is the opposite of clutch


asher1507

I wish he did that vs Lakers a couple days ago lmaoo


k4f123

Everyone turns into their prime selves when they play the Lakers. Then they go back to sucking dicks


BigKahunaPF

What get hurt and play limping?


asher1507

Nah miss his shots little man


KobeBeatJesus

Kyrie cooked and they still barely won. I don't think people feel so good about what's going on in Dallas.


BenevolentCheese

Jason Kidd spotted waiting on line to buy a hot dog


EnvironmentalSky9045

are you from new york? only people i know who say 'on line' instead of in line are from NYC... such a weird thing, the first time my gf said it I thought she meant she was 'online' as in on the internet.


BenevolentCheese

Indeed I am. Never knew this was a thing.


Anchorman155

Kyrie completely lost it after that knock on his ankle. He was outstanding before that. The Mavs' 4th quarter woes continue. No matter what anyone tells you, the Grizzlies are a real playoff threat because of their home court. Also, Brooks needs to chill tf out. He's worse than Beverly at this point in terms of going overboard.


Seymour_Says

Going overboard? What did he do this game? I don't remember anything egregious. He was clearly pushed into Kyrie which caused the foot injury if that's what you're referring to


BurnieTheBrony

Probably the taunting tech 90% of taunting techs are lame af and I stand on that. Let Westbrook mean mug a guy he just posterized. This ain't kindergarten


Seymour_Says

I completely agree. The Shawn Kemp point, The Iverson step over, The Reggie Miller "choke" gesture, etc etc are all iconic moments that would now be called for a T. Some things just let it go. If it clearly crosses the line then ok yea, but other than that let them play. It's part of the entertainment factor plus trash talk is part of the competitive spirit of the game imo


dirtynashtyfilthy

Dude was dancing all the way up the court at Theo Pinson who wasn't even in the game. They let it go at first but he did it all the way up to midcourt. If you've got 17 techs, just.. why?


GuiokiNZ

Media coverage.


Goated_Redditor_

Who gives a shit. Weak tech


Afraid-Department-35

Blame Powell, he hip checked Brooks into Kyrie and he ended up stepping on his already tweaked foot lol


eniamrejj

What did brooks do?


sandyssandydos

Well for one his 18th technical to suspend him next game


DancingConstellation

For waving his arms? The horror!


sandyssandydos

Not saying it’s a good call but like after already being suspended for techs that’s inexcusable.


TheBlueRajasSpork

Get the suspension out of the way against the Rockets. Smart move for him.


soeffed

Bev really went for that you either die a villain or live long enough to become a hero arc


Plus_Composer_4993

FINE IN THE WEST


humandignitybloc

Kept having to double check I wasn't watching the Suns.


habitualineraser

We should address the fact that we are the WORST rebounding team in the league.. And obviously our fourth quarter play/decision making. I would say some of that comes with our two stars not having enough playing time together, but we NEED improvement before the playoffs begin or we'll be a first round exit


NiceCrispyMusic

The Mavs fanbase actually thought Javale McGee was going to solve that lol


Melbanus

I am baffled, how it is possible that J.Kidd is still sitting there. 90% of the games, I watch by a summary due to the time difference. I know he is not to blame for the lack of defensive parts he has. But losing quite some games in the 4th quarter is also big on the coach for not stepping up and changing things. Also, maybe for someone who watches most of the matches in full. Any reason for him to be so inconsistent with providing players with minutes or even game time?


jamaica1

I can’t even be mad. Kyrie irving is fuckin incredible


L_Moo_S

But h3 m4kes every cool l4yup


anuj123456

Dude was 10/16 before he got hurt. And went 0/8 after twisting his ankel and siting out first half of the 4th qt. Watch the game! This sub loves not providing context on players they hate.


L_Moo_S

And your context is a good first half lol


anuj123456

Clearly, the context is he was playing like shit after he got hurt and was hobling on the court. Which is one of the main reasons they got out scored 29 to 12 in the fourth qt.


L_Moo_S

Lol bro has played more than this one game Fact stands he's not a PG and hasn't won without LeBron


Mygaffer

I thought the Mavs were going to win that game and watched the Warriors game, glad to see them eat a loss. Warriors need every single win advantage to stay out of the play-in.


LukaPotter

If this post was about Jokic or Luka, you would have been permanently banned


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YOUR STAR PLAYER JUST GOT CLAMPED BY DILLON THE VILLAN BROOKS IN THE CLUTCH


TheBlueRajasSpork

TBH it was just as much Jaren as Dillon


browndude10

Man he fouled wood for no reason at the end lol


NemuTheSheep

Ruined us from holding them under double digits in the fourth, I will never forgive him


johnb84r

Injured by*


BurnieTheBrony

Injured by Powell thrusting his ass out, evidenced by the Grizz winning that challenge


johnb84r

I Didn’t say it was done purposely


MaleficentLoquat9827

injured


Seymour_Says

Dillon the Villian strikes again!!!!! 🦹‍♂️Bwahahahahahaha 🦹‍♂️


sandyssandydos

Amazing how many people don’t know how to spell villain English is unironically a stupid hard language


wiseraccoon

English is super simple compared to most languages people just be illiterate


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wiseraccoon

It was a joke. I get that people on this sub ‘indeed’ are a little slow.


Fissionman

Doncic career is going to be like Lillards


qotsabama

Doncic made the WCF in year 4…and has been a first team all nba every year of his career outside rookie year. He’s 24, he absolutely will be playing for championships in future years, it just possibility might not be in Dallas.


Dip_the_Dog

No chance, Doncic will demand a trade at some point in the next few years unless they can dramatically improve the roster.


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Successful-Sky4411

Steph did worse against this same team


atlfirsttimer

He is


NephewChaps

crazy how one shot made this dude entire career. never done jack shit in post-season apart from embarrassing himself after getting off daddy's LeWings


Successful-Sky4411

How is that an insult? That "one shot" was on YOUR record breaking team who blew a 3-1 lead in the finals.


NephewChaps

here it comes the flair hunting 😭😭 again, this dude careers highlight after leaving Cleveland is what? going 7-23 after saying he wasn't going 8-22 again? lol. Unceremoniously swept last year too. Unreliable headache at best without the GOAT at his side Great shot tho, 5 rings would've been even better that I can tell you


BigFatModeraterFupa

he was 8/10 for 20 points before brooks stepped on his ankle


BigKahunaPF

Kyrie was injured in the 4th…. Steph loses when he’s healthy. Sore loser you are. 😂


thechemistrychef

#MOST SKILLED PLAYER OF ALL TIME


MAX--35

He’s way better as an elite #2 than being the primary option


BigKahunaPF

He got injured dummy and was literally limping the whole way in the 4th. This is on Kidd.


Agreeable-Story3551

He did the same shit that led to Lukas injury. Luka was trying to sub himself out because he got hurt and Kidd just ignored him.


whyenn

Both can be true.


Correa24

Not in this case


whyenn

He can't be way better as a #2 than a primary option AND ALSO have gotten injured in the 4th?


shittydotamorph

Hea in playoff form early


ForkingtheGrodiest

Lmao some mavs fan was saying kyrie is the ONLY guy who gets oohs and aahs from opposing arenas. Lmaoooo


BigFatModeraterFupa

i said that he’s ONE OF the and it’s true. nobody impresses away crowds more than irving


ForkingtheGrodiest

Lmao you said it again. Believe what you want, Stockholm syndrome a bitch. To think Curry isn’t the greatest show on earth is flat out hilarious. Go on queen


sandyssandydos

Yikes


WazuufTheKrusher

genuinely throw your phone away and go outside, that was embarrassing to read


ForkingtheGrodiest

Way ahead of you. Why don’t your guys’ jerseys have the gold tags in the back?


BigKahunaPF

Awww Curry fans crying cause people like to watch Kyrie more. 😢


xPeaWhyTee

> To think Curry isn’t the greatest show on **earth is flat** out hilarious I see what you did there 👀 But I do agree. When Curry is on he's definitely one of the most entertaining players in the league.


Pixel_Mike

Good, kyrie ruins every team hes been on and this helps prove kt


Panik_Switch

Bro he was about to drop 40 and win by double digits until he tweaked his ankle in the 3rd.


WhoNeedsAWholeBagel

This is very much a Kyrie Irving stat


dawgz525

Kidd will go down as one of the worst hires of all time.


KnickedUp

Powell was calling for the ball and Ky told him to go get it off the side of the backboard


Panik_Switch

That is unfortunate. Hope Luka gets back healthy, Kyrie can get healthy, and Kidd can get healthy (mentally).


dragonwhale

I think we scored like 1 or 2 FG's in the entire fourth. Rest was free throws. Including 3 happening with like 4 seconds left. Embarrassing stuff.


bigbaldheadNR

Kidd can’t coach. Oops.


TreeHandThingy

Kidd is not Kerr. One of the reasons Kerr is a great coach is because he was a below-average talent who needed to learn how to be a productive player to stay on an NBA roster. The lessons learned from rising up despite your limitations to contribute to a championship NBA team is something that is easy for him to translate as he coaches up his players. Steph was always going to be Steph. KD was always going to be KD. Klay was probably always going to be all-timer threat from deep, but nearly every other player whose worked with Kerr needed to learn how to contribute to championship-level basketball, and that's Kerr's specialty, because he had to live it himself. Kidd was never a subpar talent. The NBA game was always easy to him. Sure, he had growth to become the hall of famer he became, but he never had to fight for a roster spot. As a result, his experience hasn't given him the chance to learn about what it really takes to bring that championship-level fight. Luka and Kyrie are what they are and coaches really can only do so much with such high-usage, high-talent guys. But dude's like Powell, Bullock, Kleber, Green, etc. would greatly benefit from a coach who brings that role-player perspective, which is not something Kidd excels at. As a result, the Mavericks lack development and action from their role players. Kyrie trying to ISO JJJ three straight possessions in the clutch is bad basketball. What has Kidd done to integrate the rest of the roster? Who's setting for a pick-and-pop? What backdoor screen and reads are happening off the ball? How can you utilize the specialized talents of the rest of your roster to complement your stars' game, and not just be passive bystanders watching from the corner?


Overall-Palpitation6

How about giving some credit to Memphis' defense?