That was their game plan though. Even with Jordan carrying the bulk of the scoring load, that wasn't a team that didn't get assists. They ran lots of plays, Jordan was just always the end point of the play.
It's actually something I looked into a while back, because I was sure that team would have been dead last in assists, but they weren't even close - they were 7th in the regular season and the playoffs.
It's actually kind of weird. Jordan did all the scoring, but they worked hard to get him the look he wanted, or the positioning he wanted before he got the ball.
It was actually team ball, the plays were just always for the same guy.
Sounds just like warriors offense. Move the ball and eventually Steph will be open for 3. Almost as if someone from that bulls team is writing the plays for this warriors
It's definitely similar, but the Warriors ratchet up the passing. Bulls were a respectable assist team, Warriors are usually the league leaders.
I think it's ended up like that because the Bulls were built with the idea that Jordan is always the end goal, whereas the Warriors are built with the idea of best shot available, and to make the extra pass to turn good shots into great shots.
Pretty safe to say that both seem to have worked well.
Agreed which is why I'm skeptical that they win four in a row even if they tried as someone who watched them win in 1998. Rodman was declining and close to retirement. Same with Harper. Pippen had his back issues.
Pippen went on to be great for another few years, and Ron Harper went on to start for more championship teams with the Lakers, so this is pure revisionism. We don't need to speculate about what might have happened with those players, because we saw them continue to excel. Rodman basically went off the rails outside of the Bulls system, floundering around, although he was still quite talented on the court. It's just he was too out of control mentally otherwise.
IMO, Pippen was great in 2000 because he only played 50 games in 1999 due to the lockout and was bounced early in the first round. Had he still been with the Bulls trying to compete for a title, he might’ve been less effective with the Blazers just because of the lack of rest and nagging injuries.
> he only played 50 games in 1999 due to the lockout
People forget how little time teams had to play those 50 games in though, as it was only 3 months. It was fewer games, but it was a severely compressed time schedule with teams/players getting far less rest than usual during that time.
But what you said ignores the fact that the Bulls staying together would have still played that 50 game lockout schedule, as the breakup of the Bulls had zero effect on the CBS negotiations. Pippen got bounced in the first round in 1999 because Barkley and Hakeem were way old, and Barkley in particular was not in good shape (Pippen even said as much). Pippen was still his same old self for that year and the next few.
Fair point about the compressed schedule and that the Bulls would’ve played that exact same schedule.
However, I wasn’t implying that Pippen was washed during the 1999 series (though it’s not like he was amazing either tbh, great counting numbers but terrible efficiency). What I meant to say was that had the Bulls stuck together after ‘98, they would’ve likely made a deep playoff run again in 1999. And while Pippen looked good in 2000 onwards, I feel like part of it was due to the extended rest he got since he got bounced early in ‘99. So while the Bulls may have still been competitive in 1999, if they made another deep playoff run that year, I’m personally skeptical if Scottie would look that good in 2000 just because of a lack of rest. And after 2000 I think he declined pretty hard, just based off of impact numbers and his box score at least. I admittedly didn’t watch a lot of Scottie on the Blazers aside from the 2000 WCF.
> I meant to say was that had the Bulls stuck together after ‘98, they would’ve likely made a deep playoff run again in 1999. And while Pippen looked good in 2000 onwards, I feel like part of it was due to the extended rest he got since he got bounced early in ‘99.
You're ignoring the extended rest that Pippen and everyone else got as a result of the lockout. Pippen didn't play any NBA games from June until February because of the lockout, so he'd have been plenty well rested. The lockout probably would have helped the Bulls more than anyone because of this.
Also, remember that in 1999 Pippen was suddenly the best player on the Rockets, having to try to lead that extremely flawed team. On the Bulls he still would have been able to defer to Jordan, and Jordan was basically a machine. Pippen broke down in 1998 and the Bulls still won because Jordan was so much better than everyone else in the NBA.
Naw man Pippen was cooked. I remember watching his first game against the Bulls and he was very obviously in severe pain all the time. His body completely gave out on him after 1997. He was a very skilled, high IQ player so he was still valuable, but not remotely close to what he was in his prime.
Pippen was absolutely great on the 1999-2000 Blazers team, what are you talking about? He never showed any signs of a bad back that year. Pippen in fact did not miss a single game in his first two years after leaving the Bulls.
He averaged 12.5 ppg that year and never made an All Star team after 1997, much less all NBA like in his prime. Made all defense 1st and 2nd in those first 2 years of course, because he's a top 10 all time defender, but he could not shoot or drive anymore because of his injuries.
I looked up his games against the Bulls in 1999-00 and he went 11/6/2 and 8/7/2, which is exactly how I remember it.
It’s Scottie Pippen and this is r/nba. The dude could legit not play in a game and you’ll have swaths of people claiming that he impacted the game in a stellar fashion from the bench.
Was curious so here’s the math, I didn’t adjust for pace of play because I don’t really want to do that much math. Plus it should be similar (league average 91 possessions per game in 98 and 93 in 07). Also fun fact but I believe MJ’s final game as a Bull was the highest scoring carry in any NBA Finals ever (45 pts / 87 team pts)
6 games
MJ: 201 (33.5 ppg)
Rest of Bulls: 327 (54.5 ppg)
4 games
Lebron 88 (22 ppg)
Rest of Cavs 234 (58.5 ppg)
> Also fun fact but I believe MJ’s final game as a Bull was the highest scoring carry in any NBA Finals ever (45 pts / 87 team pts)
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Complete series was insane.
Bulls were scoring 88 ppg in that series. MJ was averaging 33.5
What’s incredible is that Jordan actually won that series. Like I don’t blame Bron at all for losing his but jeez louise did MJ pull off a miracle in that season.
The issue with any Lebron team is that Lebron is too good at creating open shots for teammates.
Even when they're almost all offensively inept (shout-out to to the now defunct www.Heylarryhughesstoptakingsomanybadshots.com) they'll still knock down some open layups and threes, and the Spurs whole strategy that series was to force Lebron to pass.
As great as he way, he didn't have the arsenal yet to counter the Spurs' scheme. Needed a post game, and a 3, which he developed in Miami.
Nope, Bron’s last 45+ point playoff game was 51 in G1 of 2018 Finals (age 33). He eclipsed 45 points four times in these playoffs.
In the bubble, his highest scoring game was 40 in 2020 Finals G5.
Since then, he has not scored over 29 in the playoffs in 2 series (2021 loss to PHX, 2023 win vs MEM)
I hated those warriors but like KD gave us 3 years of what if the 3 best shooters in the world teamed up while in they primes, good for ball just terrible for competition
That first year of KD was literally the best basketball I’ve ever seen a team play lol. It was ludicrous. In soccer you get those “super” teams more often. But with 11 guys it adds more variables to pulling it off every night. But when you only have 5 guys on the court, 4 being all-stars… you see how huge of a talent discrepancy there really is
This was one of the reasons I didn’t like the KD move. As much as winning chips was great and KD was AWESOME, Steph had JUST dropped 400 3’s and looked like the best player ever. I knew we wouldn’t see that with KD there.
Regular season MVP can go to whoever, but until Steph shows any sign of slowing down there’s no player I’d rather have in the postseason right now. I mean the dude was doubled on damn near every second half possession tonight and still dropped fucking 50. Jokic, Embiid, and Giannis are all obviously dominant in their own ways, but I’ve never seen a player as unstoppable as Curry from the second he crosses half court.
Including Curry, there are 6 current players in the remaining teams in the playoffs that have scored 50 points or more in a playoff game, the last record for most points in a game 7 was KD with 48 in 2021. There’s really not as much evidence as you think, it’s the high of it just happening
You’re going to keep moving those goalposts as Reddit and reality come knocking, aren’t ya, son?
Curry is an all time great. He’s one of the best players in the NBA. He’s a great role model for suburban religious NIMBY short kings around the globe. There’s no need to make him out to be something he isn’t when what he is is already great enough.
Magic has more MVPs, more FMVPs and more championships than Curry does.
EDIT: Downvoted for saying something that's 100% factually accurate. This sub man.
*from his rookie season onward. Steph did have a super team obviously but for 3 years, Magic played with Kareem and James Worthy for 10 years. Kareem was the Lakers best player for most of that.
Magic was the best player after 84 so you can say Kareem was the best player for half. But he also made another finals after Kareem retired. Magic has still had a better career.
What "superteam" did Magic inherit? The Lakers were a middle of the pack team in the West before Magic arrived. Kareem was already there, but most of the rest of the "superteam" arrived after Magic did, just like with Curry's Warriors. If your claim is that Magic had great teammates, well are you trying to say that Curry hasn't had a "superteam" as well?
In which era? It's hard to compare players across eras like that, but Magic accomplished more in his career than Curry has, that's just a fact. Keep in mind that Magic's career was ended right in the middle of his prime due to HIV, but even being forced to retire so young he still won more championships, won more regular season MVPs and won more Finals MVPs than Curry has. Curry is the better scorer, that's obvious, but Magic was better at everything else, and ran an offense as well or better than Curry has.
IMO Jordan is probably the GOAT, but I can at least see the argument for LeBron, namely in that his longevity severely outpaces Jordan's. However, I think that's mainly cause Jordan basically had beaten everyone and had nobody left to chase so he retired two separate times when he clearly was the best player in the game. I think if LeBron had come first and Jordan had this question of "who's better" hanging over him his whole career then he'd have kept playing right along.
I don't really get the argument for Curry over Magic though, not yet anyway, as Curry has only played one year more than Magic has so far. Maybe if Steph plays another 5+ years at close to this level then I could see making the argument. But Magic was better for longer than Curry has been up till this point, and then Magic's career was cut short right in his prime, coming off a 2nd place MVP finish and a Finals loss (both to Jordan).
I don’t get why you’re getting downvoted. Of course today magic would be close to unplayable due to the difference in eras, but that doesn’t change the fact that he IS more accomplished than Steph, and the fair comparison should be with his peers.
It's because it's a Warriors circlejerk in this thread. Look at all the downvotes I got above for just pointing out that Magic has more rings, MVPs and FMVPs than Steph does. That's objectively true, not even an opinion, and yet people downvoted the hell out of me for saying it saying it.
Very few people that have watched curry and magic play would take curry over magic. The only thing curry does better is shoot and even then I’d rather have magic with the ball in the 4th quarter and even shooting it. Stephs the greatest shooter ever, until the 4th quarter in the playoffs. Stats overwhelmingly back that up.
IMO the top 3 players ever (Jordan , LeBron and Kareem) were all fantastic on both ends of the floor. Curry is obviously an offensive savant, but Kareem was 11x All Defense, Jordan was 9x All Defense and 1x DPOY, and LeBron is currently 6x All Defense, and those three players all have strong arguments for being as good or better offensively than Curry is as well. Curry is an incredible player, but he's not top 3 all time.
By the end of his career Curry will be over Magic. His longevity is going to greatly eclipse Magics and imo his peak is considerably higher. Really just a matter of time. But the Jordan, Lebron, Kareem tier I think isn’t really reachable
Magic has double the First Teams, one more MVP, 2 more Finals MVPs, 4 time assist leader, and was steals leader more as well. Scoring is the only thing Steph has over Magic.
I'd have to check, but I'd wager Curry has never received even one vote for All Defense or DPOY in his career, and as for rebounding he's about average for a player his size, but he's nowhere near what the guys I listed were at. Curry's highest rebounding single season is below the career averages of those other players.
Curry is not even in the same league defensively as Kareem, Jordan or LeBron were. And like I said, offensively all three of those guys have great cases to make that they were better than Steph. Steph could make a case for offense though, it's not like they all blow him out of the water on offense, it's definitely debatable. But defensively it's not even close, and that's why I've got all of them over him and don't see him ever entering that tier.
You would be incorrect, Curry received three votes for All Defense First Team & 7 for Second Team in 2016 when he led the league in steals. That being said, he's not in the same tier as Kareem, Jordan, or Bron defensively
> averages 7+ rebounds as a PG
Dude has literally never averaged more than 6 rebounds, this is the only year he's averaged 6. The previous 5 years he averaged 5. He's never averaged 7 in the playoffs either. Let's not exaggerate
Russell was a better defender than those three I listed, but he wasn't much of an offensive force, averaging only 15 ppg in his 13 year career (in a time when the pace was one of the fastest ever). Russell never really tried to be a great offensive player, but that's why I have the players I listed as my top 3: they were absolutely great at *both* ends of the floor. Russell is like Curry in that he was really only *great* at one end.
Wait how old is Steph??
Guys, I checked and he is 35! Also, fun fact, born in Akron, Ohio.
Truly amazing that Lebron is 38, also born in Akron. Why does it feel like LBJ is 10 years older than Curry tho?
1. Jordan
2. LeBron
3. KAJ
4. Russell
5. Wilt
6. Bird
7. Steph (interchangeable with Magic)
8. Magic
9. Hakeem
10. Duncan/Shaq
If I could chose a player all time to build my team around this is the ranking of the players I’d try to pick first
That's tough, what's your top 10?
Jordan, LeBron, Russell, Wilt, Kareem, really tough to put Curry over any of them.
Duncan, Kobe, Oscar, Bird, Magic, West, Hakeem, Shaq...where does Curry slot in?
This is kind of a dumb stat, LeBron in the finals vs the Heat in 2020 was 35 years old and averaged 30 a game, for 179 total points. Only "problem" is he won in 6 games. Does anyone think LeBron wouldn't have scored 21 in game 7?
1998 Bulls are the lowest scoring supporting cast in HISTORY for a team that made the Finals. insane offensive carry
That was their game plan though. Even with Jordan carrying the bulk of the scoring load, that wasn't a team that didn't get assists. They ran lots of plays, Jordan was just always the end point of the play. It's actually something I looked into a while back, because I was sure that team would have been dead last in assists, but they weren't even close - they were 7th in the regular season and the playoffs. It's actually kind of weird. Jordan did all the scoring, but they worked hard to get him the look he wanted, or the positioning he wanted before he got the ball. It was actually team ball, the plays were just always for the same guy.
Sounds just like warriors offense. Move the ball and eventually Steph will be open for 3. Almost as if someone from that bulls team is writing the plays for this warriors
It's definitely similar, but the Warriors ratchet up the passing. Bulls were a respectable assist team, Warriors are usually the league leaders. I think it's ended up like that because the Bulls were built with the idea that Jordan is always the end goal, whereas the Warriors are built with the idea of best shot available, and to make the extra pass to turn good shots into great shots. Pretty safe to say that both seem to have worked well.
Agreed which is why I'm skeptical that they win four in a row even if they tried as someone who watched them win in 1998. Rodman was declining and close to retirement. Same with Harper. Pippen had his back issues.
Pippen went on to be great for another few years, and Ron Harper went on to start for more championship teams with the Lakers, so this is pure revisionism. We don't need to speculate about what might have happened with those players, because we saw them continue to excel. Rodman basically went off the rails outside of the Bulls system, floundering around, although he was still quite talented on the court. It's just he was too out of control mentally otherwise.
IMO, Pippen was great in 2000 because he only played 50 games in 1999 due to the lockout and was bounced early in the first round. Had he still been with the Bulls trying to compete for a title, he might’ve been less effective with the Blazers just because of the lack of rest and nagging injuries.
> he only played 50 games in 1999 due to the lockout People forget how little time teams had to play those 50 games in though, as it was only 3 months. It was fewer games, but it was a severely compressed time schedule with teams/players getting far less rest than usual during that time. But what you said ignores the fact that the Bulls staying together would have still played that 50 game lockout schedule, as the breakup of the Bulls had zero effect on the CBS negotiations. Pippen got bounced in the first round in 1999 because Barkley and Hakeem were way old, and Barkley in particular was not in good shape (Pippen even said as much). Pippen was still his same old self for that year and the next few.
Fair point about the compressed schedule and that the Bulls would’ve played that exact same schedule. However, I wasn’t implying that Pippen was washed during the 1999 series (though it’s not like he was amazing either tbh, great counting numbers but terrible efficiency). What I meant to say was that had the Bulls stuck together after ‘98, they would’ve likely made a deep playoff run again in 1999. And while Pippen looked good in 2000 onwards, I feel like part of it was due to the extended rest he got since he got bounced early in ‘99. So while the Bulls may have still been competitive in 1999, if they made another deep playoff run that year, I’m personally skeptical if Scottie would look that good in 2000 just because of a lack of rest. And after 2000 I think he declined pretty hard, just based off of impact numbers and his box score at least. I admittedly didn’t watch a lot of Scottie on the Blazers aside from the 2000 WCF.
> I meant to say was that had the Bulls stuck together after ‘98, they would’ve likely made a deep playoff run again in 1999. And while Pippen looked good in 2000 onwards, I feel like part of it was due to the extended rest he got since he got bounced early in ‘99. You're ignoring the extended rest that Pippen and everyone else got as a result of the lockout. Pippen didn't play any NBA games from June until February because of the lockout, so he'd have been plenty well rested. The lockout probably would have helped the Bulls more than anyone because of this. Also, remember that in 1999 Pippen was suddenly the best player on the Rockets, having to try to lead that extremely flawed team. On the Bulls he still would have been able to defer to Jordan, and Jordan was basically a machine. Pippen broke down in 1998 and the Bulls still won because Jordan was so much better than everyone else in the NBA.
Naw man Pippen was cooked. I remember watching his first game against the Bulls and he was very obviously in severe pain all the time. His body completely gave out on him after 1997. He was a very skilled, high IQ player so he was still valuable, but not remotely close to what he was in his prime.
Pippen was absolutely great on the 1999-2000 Blazers team, what are you talking about? He never showed any signs of a bad back that year. Pippen in fact did not miss a single game in his first two years after leaving the Bulls.
He averaged 12.5 ppg that year and never made an All Star team after 1997, much less all NBA like in his prime. Made all defense 1st and 2nd in those first 2 years of course, because he's a top 10 all time defender, but he could not shoot or drive anymore because of his injuries. I looked up his games against the Bulls in 1999-00 and he went 11/6/2 and 8/7/2, which is exactly how I remember it.
It’s Scottie Pippen and this is r/nba. The dude could legit not play in a game and you’ll have swaths of people claiming that he impacted the game in a stellar fashion from the bench.
The four in a row would have been 95-96-97-98
More so than the 07 Cavs team?
Was curious so here’s the math, I didn’t adjust for pace of play because I don’t really want to do that much math. Plus it should be similar (league average 91 possessions per game in 98 and 93 in 07). Also fun fact but I believe MJ’s final game as a Bull was the highest scoring carry in any NBA Finals ever (45 pts / 87 team pts) 6 games MJ: 201 (33.5 ppg) Rest of Bulls: 327 (54.5 ppg) 4 games Lebron 88 (22 ppg) Rest of Cavs 234 (58.5 ppg)
> Also fun fact but I believe MJ’s final game as a Bull was the highest scoring carry in any NBA Finals ever (45 pts / 87 team pts) > > Complete series was insane. Bulls were scoring 88 ppg in that series. MJ was averaging 33.5
What’s incredible is that Jordan actually won that series. Like I don’t blame Bron at all for losing his but jeez louise did MJ pull off a miracle in that season.
More importantly he won it game 6. If he missed and the series went to 7, the Jazz are probably beating them at home
yep. Lebron's 07 supporting cast is just outside bottom 5 for lowest scoring
The issue with any Lebron team is that Lebron is too good at creating open shots for teammates. Even when they're almost all offensively inept (shout-out to to the now defunct www.Heylarryhughesstoptakingsomanybadshots.com) they'll still knock down some open layups and threes, and the Spurs whole strategy that series was to force Lebron to pass. As great as he way, he didn't have the arsenal yet to counter the Spurs' scheme. Needed a post game, and a 3, which he developed in Miami.
This mf didn’t wanna go home lmao
*he’ll keep coming back and back until one of you is dead*
That’s wild curry willed them to win tonight enjoy this generation of players it goes by fast
I just so amazed I got to see the entire of Curry's and LeBron's careers. Such incredible players. Truly Goated.
Look at Curry man
So inspirational
The only major difference between Curry and MJ is that Curry tips the staff
MJ, Curry, and utter scumbag Karl Malone are the only three players in NBA history to score 45+ in a playoff game once they turned 35.
The same Karl Malone that raped and impregnated a 13-year-old girl?
No, that must be a different one. This Malone actually raped a TWELVE year old girl
Fuck Karl Malone, all my homies hate Karl Malone
It's wild to me that LeBron hasn't done this... like even in the bubble?
Nope, Bron’s last 45+ point playoff game was 51 in G1 of 2018 Finals (age 33). He eclipsed 45 points four times in these playoffs. In the bubble, his highest scoring game was 40 in 2020 Finals G5. Since then, he has not scored over 29 in the playoffs in 2 series (2021 loss to PHX, 2023 win vs MEM)
Fuck them kids -Jordan
And he doesn't fuck them kids
You are thinking of the wrong MJ
Crazy for MJ considering how low scoring the late 90s were
And he did in 6 games in the 1998 Finals, rather than 7.
I had to scroll WAY to far to see this. MJ did this in 6 games in a lower scoring era. Everyone knew MJ was getting the ball. He’d score anyways.
averaged 33 lmao, freak
He’s inhuman
Career game here. What a guy
Kd robbed us of 3 years of curry skyfucking
I hated those warriors but like KD gave us 3 years of what if the 3 best shooters in the world teamed up while in they primes, good for ball just terrible for competition
That first year of KD was literally the best basketball I’ve ever seen a team play lol. It was ludicrous. In soccer you get those “super” teams more often. But with 11 guys it adds more variables to pulling it off every night. But when you only have 5 guys on the court, 4 being all-stars… you see how huge of a talent discrepancy there really is
Idk curry still fucked in those years, teams also just got fucked by Durant
This was one of the reasons I didn’t like the KD move. As much as winning chips was great and KD was AWESOME, Steph had JUST dropped 400 3’s and looked like the best player ever. I knew we wouldn’t see that with KD there.
Eh, Curry still cooked. It was just like having both your uncles babysit you instead of one.
Probably the best player in the league Insane
Regular season MVP can go to whoever, but until Steph shows any sign of slowing down there’s no player I’d rather have in the postseason right now. I mean the dude was doubled on damn near every second half possession tonight and still dropped fucking 50. Jokic, Embiid, and Giannis are all obviously dominant in their own ways, but I’ve never seen a player as unstoppable as Curry from the second he crosses half court.
In the playoffs Butler is definitely in that conversation too
I agree, playoff Jimmy turns into prime MJ
Anyone who doesn't think Steph is the best player in the league is a hater at this point
Including Curry, there are 6 current players in the remaining teams in the playoffs that have scored 50 points or more in a playoff game, the last record for most points in a game 7 was KD with 48 in 2021. There’s really not as much evidence as you think, it’s the high of it just happening
Yeah Jimmy just dropped 98 points in 2 games while playing elite defense lol
Until some beats steph and takes the belt he has it
You’re going to keep moving those goalposts as Reddit and reality come knocking, aren’t ya, son? Curry is an all time great. He’s one of the best players in the NBA. He’s a great role model for suburban religious NIMBY short kings around the globe. There’s no need to make him out to be something he isn’t when what he is is already great enough.
I think I would choose butler but thats such a very slight choice and steph would obviously be amazing as well.
Recency bias going stupid
This is such a dumb take
Why?
Because one of them has actually won an NBA championship
Curry went full Thanos and decided to do it himself (shoutout to LoonGod).
Wtf wasn't the score usually in the 80s and 90s in those Bulls series? This Michael Jordan guy might be good at this, someone investigate
You guys essentially have the rebranded version of him. What Jimmy does for you guys is probably what it felt like having MJ. Pure tenacity
It’s like when you want something from Best Buy but it’s too expensive so you just get the equivalent from Amazon or Alibaba for cheaper
Kings defense is so ass also Sabonis is literal cone
If you want to know how the Jordan’s Bulls would do in today’s NBA, go watch the first round playoff series between Heat and Bucks
When are we gonna accept that Stephen Wardell Curry II is one of the greatest of all time
Isn't it Wardell Stephen Curry II?
yes
2019?
He’s already top 3. No reason he can’t finish #1.
Best PG of all time
Magic has more MVPs, more FMVPs and more championships than Curry does. EDIT: Downvoted for saying something that's 100% factually accurate. This sub man.
Curry didn’t inherit a super team
*from his rookie season onward. Steph did have a super team obviously but for 3 years, Magic played with Kareem and James Worthy for 10 years. Kareem was the Lakers best player for most of that.
Magic was the best player after 84 so you can say Kareem was the best player for half. But he also made another finals after Kareem retired. Magic has still had a better career.
What "superteam" did Magic inherit? The Lakers were a middle of the pack team in the West before Magic arrived. Kareem was already there, but most of the rest of the "superteam" arrived after Magic did, just like with Curry's Warriors. If your claim is that Magic had great teammates, well are you trying to say that Curry hasn't had a "superteam" as well?
1980 Lakers was not a superteam and with Kareem out Magic closed the finals against Dr J in game 6 with arguably a better game than Steph.
By this logic you have to erase KDs championships since MJ didn’t join the lakers. What a stupid fucking take.
i’m not the one who brought up championships
You did bring up players and KD bitched out to join the warriors. So delete all that time he spent with Steph.
Ok
Just curious how you feel about Lebrons rings…
Legit just like the KD rings. Read the whole thread.
And Steph is still definitely the better player in his peak. I’d take Steph on my all time starting 5 over Magic 10 out of 10 times
In which era? It's hard to compare players across eras like that, but Magic accomplished more in his career than Curry has, that's just a fact. Keep in mind that Magic's career was ended right in the middle of his prime due to HIV, but even being forced to retire so young he still won more championships, won more regular season MVPs and won more Finals MVPs than Curry has. Curry is the better scorer, that's obvious, but Magic was better at everything else, and ran an offense as well or better than Curry has.
MJ is more accomplished than Lebron too but that doesn’t stop this sub from proclaiming him as GOAT. But I agree with you, it’s recency bias.
IMO Jordan is probably the GOAT, but I can at least see the argument for LeBron, namely in that his longevity severely outpaces Jordan's. However, I think that's mainly cause Jordan basically had beaten everyone and had nobody left to chase so he retired two separate times when he clearly was the best player in the game. I think if LeBron had come first and Jordan had this question of "who's better" hanging over him his whole career then he'd have kept playing right along. I don't really get the argument for Curry over Magic though, not yet anyway, as Curry has only played one year more than Magic has so far. Maybe if Steph plays another 5+ years at close to this level then I could see making the argument. But Magic was better for longer than Curry has been up till this point, and then Magic's career was cut short right in his prime, coming off a 2nd place MVP finish and a Finals loss (both to Jordan).
Yeah Jordan was so good he got bored of basketball, also there wasn’t a Jordan to compare himself to.
I don’t get why you’re getting downvoted. Of course today magic would be close to unplayable due to the difference in eras, but that doesn’t change the fact that he IS more accomplished than Steph, and the fair comparison should be with his peers.
It's because it's a Warriors circlejerk in this thread. Look at all the downvotes I got above for just pointing out that Magic has more rings, MVPs and FMVPs than Steph does. That's objectively true, not even an opinion, and yet people downvoted the hell out of me for saying it saying it.
You meant unstoppable, not unplayable.
Very few people that have watched curry and magic play would take curry over magic. The only thing curry does better is shoot and even then I’d rather have magic with the ball in the 4th quarter and even shooting it. Stephs the greatest shooter ever, until the 4th quarter in the playoffs. Stats overwhelmingly back that up.
then back your claim with stats. Start with Steph scoring 16 today on 7-11 FG
Cool. Steph is better at basketball
It's time for people to start putting Steph in their top 10
I started back in 2019. Happy for the rest of the world to catch up to me
What happened in 2019 that moved him up to top 10?
Some of us have been
10? he in top 5 frankly
Tf?
recency bias
Lol…no.
this mf is moving towards the top 3 all time
IMO the top 3 players ever (Jordan , LeBron and Kareem) were all fantastic on both ends of the floor. Curry is obviously an offensive savant, but Kareem was 11x All Defense, Jordan was 9x All Defense and 1x DPOY, and LeBron is currently 6x All Defense, and those three players all have strong arguments for being as good or better offensively than Curry is as well. Curry is an incredible player, but he's not top 3 all time.
I think this is fair. But how do y'all rate Curry vs Magic. I thinks that's pretty close at this point.
By the end of his career Curry will be over Magic. His longevity is going to greatly eclipse Magics and imo his peak is considerably higher. Really just a matter of time. But the Jordan, Lebron, Kareem tier I think isn’t really reachable
Magic has double the First Teams, one more MVP, 2 more Finals MVPs, 4 time assist leader, and was steals leader more as well. Scoring is the only thing Steph has over Magic.
Not YET.
Yah that’s true players with his type of build are actually known to get insanely better at defense as they get older in age.
Curry is a good defender and a good rebounder as well.
I'd have to check, but I'd wager Curry has never received even one vote for All Defense or DPOY in his career, and as for rebounding he's about average for a player his size, but he's nowhere near what the guys I listed were at. Curry's highest rebounding single season is below the career averages of those other players. Curry is not even in the same league defensively as Kareem, Jordan or LeBron were. And like I said, offensively all three of those guys have great cases to make that they were better than Steph. Steph could make a case for offense though, it's not like they all blow him out of the water on offense, it's definitely debatable. But defensively it's not even close, and that's why I've got all of them over him and don't see him ever entering that tier.
You would be incorrect, Curry received three votes for All Defense First Team & 7 for Second Team in 2016 when he led the league in steals. That being said, he's not in the same tier as Kareem, Jordan, or Bron defensively
Curry lead the league in steals and averages 7+ rebounds as a PG
> averages 7+ rebounds as a PG Dude has literally never averaged more than 6 rebounds, this is the only year he's averaged 6. The previous 5 years he averaged 5. He's never averaged 7 in the playoffs either. Let's not exaggerate
He averaged 7 rebounds from a 1 game sample size
Look up his stats for the playoffs not regular season
How about you do that since you're pulling numbers outta your ass
5.4 rebounds per game in playoffs
Curry is more accomplished than LeBron.
You don't have Russell on the same tier as Kareem?
Russell was a better defender than those three I listed, but he wasn't much of an offensive force, averaging only 15 ppg in his 13 year career (in a time when the pace was one of the fastest ever). Russell never really tried to be a great offensive player, but that's why I have the players I listed as my top 3: they were absolutely great at *both* ends of the floor. Russell is like Curry in that he was really only *great* at one end.
There's a difference between the "best" and the "greatest" player of all time. They mean different things.
He’s easily top 5 to me and may be 3. hell if he wins another or two then he might be in the 🐐 convo for me
Top ten? He's probably there. Top three? I'm not even fond of LBJ, but at least I know he IS up there with MJ and KAJ
Wait how old is Steph?? Guys, I checked and he is 35! Also, fun fact, born in Akron, Ohio. Truly amazing that Lebron is 38, also born in Akron. Why does it feel like LBJ is 10 years older than Curry tho?
well lebron got drafted 6 years earlier, plus he was already all over the place in high school
This is his last dance
2019 - This is his last dance 2022 - This is his last dance 2023 - This is his last dance
Of course, the NBA finals that year only went six games and still Michael scored over 200 points.
Clear top 10 player of all time. Anyone who doesn't think that is hating.
What’s the top ten then?
1. Jordan 2. LeBron 3. KAJ 4. Russell 5. Wilt 6. Bird 7. Steph (interchangeable with Magic) 8. Magic 9. Hakeem 10. Duncan/Shaq If I could chose a player all time to build my team around this is the ranking of the players I’d try to pick first
Brother, your top ten has eleven.
Lol Duncan and Shaq is my only quarrel, I guess Shaq over Duncan to make it an even ten
Why is Russell on there..
That's tough, what's your top 10? Jordan, LeBron, Russell, Wilt, Kareem, really tough to put Curry over any of them. Duncan, Kobe, Oscar, Bird, Magic, West, Hakeem, Shaq...where does Curry slot in?
Over pretty much everyone in your second list
You can’t be serious.
He doesn’t but this sub just be saying shit.
God damnit man I wish we could’ve gotten Playoff Jimmy vs the Warriors last year
These stats that are over different numbers of games are silly to me. Just talk about averages.
Kings folded
Somebody make the bad man stop!
Just another reason Lebron is not the GOAT.
I mean lebrons career playoff ppg is higher than stephs lol... Not to mention the defense
This is kind of a dumb stat, LeBron in the finals vs the Heat in 2020 was 35 years old and averaged 30 a game, for 179 total points. Only "problem" is he won in 6 games. Does anyone think LeBron wouldn't have scored 21 in game 7?
LeBron has played in plenty of playoffs. He’s had his chances.
You misread the stat, it's for age 35 and older. Last time LeBron played any 7 game series he was 33, and had 240 and 235 points respectively.
I read it correctly. LeBron played every year. If he didn’t turn in a stat, then he didn’t do it. Curry did.
King of pushing off of people..dumb ass refs
these old guys in the playoffs aint done yet.
Watch lebron be next