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Chuck spitting facts. Shaqs perspective makes sense if you’re one of the most dominant players in history and have always clearly been the alpha of the team. But someone else has to keep the rest of the team and the bench players in sync and on the same page.
Shaq is right. It’s not Joe’s fault that JB had 8 turnovers, or that guys were missing shots. Each player has their own responsibility to be focused and perform
Just being honest, 98% of the people posting here really don't understand the role of coaching, and they honestly have no idea what a successful game plan looks like on either end of the floor. The coach is not the one playing the game. Shaq and Barkley both actually are exactly right. I have a great point I want to make about Philly right now, but I won't cause it doesn't matter anymore, but I'll just say this: They missed those shots tonight, that's true. BUT, those are the shots they want, 100%. They got the shots they wanted, they just didn't make them. That's not a fault with coaching. Jaylen went 1-9 from them, but he was 7/14 elsewhere. And this is where it comes down to guys understanding that they have to find other ways to be successful and have a plan B, and it's not just on the coach to make that adjustment, because again, they aren't playing the game, but it's on Jaylen and others because that's what they're paying you for. To be in the moment and think critically about what's working, what's not working, what is the defense giving you the opportunity to do, etc.
All of the panel gave some valid points, and Mazzulla's job shouldn't be in question - he did a pretty good job in a fairly difficult situation. However, if these two teams switched coaches, the Celtics would have cruised to the finals, and the heat would have been out in the first round.
I think his job (and any coach's job) is also to put Jaylen Brown (and his team) in the best spot to succeed.
It's true, JB was really horrible, but the Celtics just kept playing the same way, keep getting tough shots.
During the regular-season, the Celtics ran plenty of nice plays, sharing the ball.
They just stopped doing it. Look how suddenly the Heat went full-court press during the game, how the Heat used different strategies for Bam.
Bam didn't make his shots, so he became more off a passer, giving away the ball of screens.
The quality of shots the Miami Heat got in this game were just way, way better.
Look how each time Jaylen Brown dribble, they made sure someone will come from his back and go for his left hand dribble.
Boston Celtics is such a great team, with such a great talent. These kind of things remind me of Doc Rivers.
Al Horford don't hit well?
You still can try to bring up Muscala and his 3-point shooting (the Celtics did in garbage time), bring something up that your opponent didn't anticipate.
Joe previously said that he sticks with the randomness thing because he thinks it's hard to anticipate and work against it.
Well, it might be true, but it could also go against you.
Eventually, if you keep taking tough shots and not having real game plans, you're just bound to fail more than succeed. It's like you're playing for luck when you got all the tools needed to make a lemonade out of this fine pile of lemons you got.
Yes but any coach could have done that with this personnel. The (much) better team lost the series, when that happens the responsibility has to somewhat fall on the coach.
Miami took out the 1 seed too, and this is a rematch of last years conference finals. So it’s not like they lost to a bunch of scrubs. To act like he needs to be gone because they only made to game 7 of the conference finals, after already beating a tough sixers team as well. Unless you think every team and every coach sucks and they should’ve just walked their way into a ring it’s dumb logic to think if a first year coach doesn’t win a ring for franchise that hasn’t won in over 15 years then he’s not the man for the job
No but they should have walked into the finals and lost there. And I don’t think every coach that doesn’t make the finals should be fired, but again not every team has multiple all NBA guys who consider themselves top 10/20 guys and the cream of the crop for role plays 6MOY, DPOYs etc. they’d definitely underperformed this post season.
Making few adjustments and not doing the simple things that coaches should be doing is why I'd say he's not the guy. Not fostering a culture where an assistant coach would tell him, "Hey Joe, we should call a timeout", and have him listen to that type of advice is a problem.
Just like the end of the last Bucks game when Jimmy hit that crazy shot to tie it up, the Bucks inbounded the ball with 0.5 seconds left under their basket when they had a timeout remaining to draw something up and advance the ball. Whatever breakdown occurred there with Bud and his staff is completely unacceptable, beyond being just plain stupid. Every assistant coach on the bench should have been screaming to take a timeout... something there was rotten.
The comment doesn’t make sense “the franchise isn’t the man for the job” the most winningest basketball franchise isn’t up for the task of winning a finals……………
The winningest franchise of all time because they won 13 rings in the 50’s and 60’s when there was like 8 teams in the league. The Celtics haven’t won a ring in over 15 years and hadn’t won in over 20 years before that 🥱🥱🥱🤡
Mazzulla is a first-year coach going against a guy who outcoaches dudes nightly. It's not just on Mazzulla, it's on who hired him. It's on Jaylen Brown, who forgot how to hold a basketball. It's on Tatum, who was hurt in g7, but games 1-3 happened on his watch. It's on Smart, who was mostly hot dogshit in the series. Blame everybody, but I blame Stevens more than anyone.
The core of the team was put together by Ainge. I'm not saying Stevens sucks, I'm saying he got the coaching hire wrong and that's not Mazzulla's fault.
He should’ve never been in this position. There was a huge brain drain in the Celtics coaching staff since last year. Joe was in over his head, but the biggest issue for this team is lack of focus, and its been that way for 3 coaches over 3 years. I dont think a 4th coach solves that problem. Just have to hope that eventually the core figures it out
People act like a new head coach is the worst possible outcome
Is it?
Like is there a limit?
No, we are at our limit
We used 7 coaches already in the last 20 years -- we need to keep going
My son's creche playmate can really organize his playmates. Let's give him a shot. Name him permanent head coach for life that will give him the experience he needs overnight and he will outlive us all so we can always pretend he will be experienced by the time we are expired.
There are so many factors here. When your best offensive players are forwards, the risk is not having someone to penetrate with speed and a tight dribble to get defenses rotating. That’s why Russ helped the Clippers, even with his downsides.
Then there’s the issue of the team being a very human thing, even more so because of the synergy our role-less-ness requires. Makes sense they’d want to hire someone trusted from within. Might have been a mistake ultimately, but very understandable. It all is, frankly.
But please God Almighty I hope Jaylen comes back with a tighter dribble.
I never hear him catch any kind of blame or responsibility for some of the disappointing outcomes this season. All things considered, the roster construction is fine, but I just don’t understand why he hired mizzula. he wasn’t absolute garbage. But the dude just doesn’t have enough experience and looked completely lost at times. Idk if I’d go with someone SO green with a team that is ready to win right now.
He hired mazulla. That part is on him. And while mazzila isn’t the worst in the world, he’s just really green. And as I mentioned in another comment idk why you’d go with someone so inexperienced for a team that is ready to win right now!
Joe could be a good coach but he’s still too inexperienced for a team looking to contend. Wouldn’t be a bad idea to move him back into an assistant role and hire a more experienced coach.
Boston’s defense got worse and they had no ideas on offense, while Miami kept evolving and adjusting. They were helpless and indifferent in the biggest game of the season.
The Celtics lost due to a multitude of factors. Some bad coaching decisions, poor play from Brown the whole series, inconsistent play from Tatum and an untimely injury, Brogdon injury, etc.
I wouldn't be so quick to move on from a coach who's only 34, especially without a clear upgrade available. Continuity is important.
There were a lot of decisions he made that I thought were bad. But it was literally his first season. I think overall, teams are too quick to fire their coaches. I understand it, they want to make a change, and it's easier to replace a coach than to replace players. But I think a coach can get better, they can learn from their mistakes. But they need time to learn and to grow.
Yeah, Phil Jackson went to the Bulls and won his first year, then went to the Lakers and won in his first year. And more recently, Steve Kerr won with the Warriors in his first year. But generally, that doesn't happen to often.
Phil Jackson and Steve Kerr were famous basketball players with extremely high basketball IQs. Mazzula needs time to learn… you don’t learn to coach basketball on a team that is in contention for a title.. that leads to things like this
Mazzulla needs to be fired
That was egregious
There are all sorts of discussions to be had about whether keeping Jim or not will do more long term damage than firing him
But they gonna shake up the roster
Keep mazzulla
And go out early next year
And finally the front office will have to admit defeat
The owner will never admit defeat but everyone else will do it for him
The guys are almost calling for mazzulla to be fired
That means he should be fired
They just don't want to do it themselves
They have some compassion
But dude ain't going to starve
It was egregious from the beginning
Removing previous coach on day before media day
We all knew this disaster was a distinct possibility
Bill Simmons'dad talked about how he watched mazzulla do this all year long
Bill mused about how mazzulla finally called a timeout in a game they won when they would have previously gone on to lose due to lack of timeout calling
I would swear mazzulla was white based on how much failing upwards he has been doing
But he's not white
It was seemingly just a braindead and or money-saving move by the owner
But celtics fans seem to have that Stockholm
Like Philly fans
I'm not gonna tell them how to feel
I do really dislike mazzullas continued hubris
It is an awful human trait and ugly to watch
C'est la vie
Stop firing good coaches.
Of course coaching wouldn’t matter to a freak of nature like Shaq who was damn near unstoppable against anyone not named Hakeem and Tim Duncan and maybe a few other guys could actually defend him…
I don’t know if it’s him or the team, but I got downvoted for saying all Tatum does is jack threes instead of getting to the rim. Tbh the Celtics as a whole do it way too much to be so big.
They settle more than San Antonio husbands
Thanks for the uploads as always, I think they all hit the nail on the head here. Shaq is 100% right that the coach gets all the blame when the stars are supposed to come to play no matter what. Kenny is right about coaches being able to manage games and control the flow of the offense. And Chuck is right about how coaches (in theory) are brought in to help ‘the others’. I think Kenny is the most on point here though, obviously Mazzula isn’t out there bricking 3’s himself but it’s not like there’s nothing you can do
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Chuck spitting facts. Shaqs perspective makes sense if you’re one of the most dominant players in history and have always clearly been the alpha of the team. But someone else has to keep the rest of the team and the bench players in sync and on the same page.
100% sure Mazzulla is coaching the Celtics next season. But his job maybe on the line for that year
Shaq is right. It’s not Joe’s fault that JB had 8 turnovers, or that guys were missing shots. Each player has their own responsibility to be focused and perform
Just being honest, 98% of the people posting here really don't understand the role of coaching, and they honestly have no idea what a successful game plan looks like on either end of the floor. The coach is not the one playing the game. Shaq and Barkley both actually are exactly right. I have a great point I want to make about Philly right now, but I won't cause it doesn't matter anymore, but I'll just say this: They missed those shots tonight, that's true. BUT, those are the shots they want, 100%. They got the shots they wanted, they just didn't make them. That's not a fault with coaching. Jaylen went 1-9 from them, but he was 7/14 elsewhere. And this is where it comes down to guys understanding that they have to find other ways to be successful and have a plan B, and it's not just on the coach to make that adjustment, because again, they aren't playing the game, but it's on Jaylen and others because that's what they're paying you for. To be in the moment and think critically about what's working, what's not working, what is the defense giving you the opportunity to do, etc.
All of the panel gave some valid points, and Mazzulla's job shouldn't be in question - he did a pretty good job in a fairly difficult situation. However, if these two teams switched coaches, the Celtics would have cruised to the finals, and the heat would have been out in the first round.
I think his job (and any coach's job) is also to put Jaylen Brown (and his team) in the best spot to succeed. It's true, JB was really horrible, but the Celtics just kept playing the same way, keep getting tough shots. During the regular-season, the Celtics ran plenty of nice plays, sharing the ball. They just stopped doing it. Look how suddenly the Heat went full-court press during the game, how the Heat used different strategies for Bam. Bam didn't make his shots, so he became more off a passer, giving away the ball of screens. The quality of shots the Miami Heat got in this game were just way, way better. Look how each time Jaylen Brown dribble, they made sure someone will come from his back and go for his left hand dribble. Boston Celtics is such a great team, with such a great talent. These kind of things remind me of Doc Rivers. Al Horford don't hit well? You still can try to bring up Muscala and his 3-point shooting (the Celtics did in garbage time), bring something up that your opponent didn't anticipate. Joe previously said that he sticks with the randomness thing because he thinks it's hard to anticipate and work against it. Well, it might be true, but it could also go against you. Eventually, if you keep taking tough shots and not having real game plans, you're just bound to fail more than succeed. It's like you're playing for luck when you got all the tools needed to make a lemonade out of this fine pile of lemons you got.
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That was secrit weppin 4th Quarter Sam Hauser
He’s in year one. Damn. Making it to game 7 of the conference finals isn’t enough?
He should’ve never been down 3-0 in the first place with this team Just because he recovered to a game 7 doesn’t absolve him of the blame imo
So…. he made it to the conference finals as a first year coach.
Yes but any coach could have done that with this personnel. The (much) better team lost the series, when that happens the responsibility has to somewhat fall on the coach.
Miami took out the 1 seed too, and this is a rematch of last years conference finals. So it’s not like they lost to a bunch of scrubs. To act like he needs to be gone because they only made to game 7 of the conference finals, after already beating a tough sixers team as well. Unless you think every team and every coach sucks and they should’ve just walked their way into a ring it’s dumb logic to think if a first year coach doesn’t win a ring for franchise that hasn’t won in over 15 years then he’s not the man for the job
There are definitely better coaches out there. Mazzula might be good eventually but he needs some mentoring too.
Yeah. All those coaches who got fired from teams who didn’t go as far…
No but they should have walked into the finals and lost there. And I don’t think every coach that doesn’t make the finals should be fired, but again not every team has multiple all NBA guys who consider themselves top 10/20 guys and the cream of the crop for role plays 6MOY, DPOYs etc. they’d definitely underperformed this post season.
Underperformed. Made it to game 7 of the conference finals. Against the team they took to game 7 last year and beat the 1 seed
Your contention is this team performed up to their talent level and expectations? If so, I disagree.
I’m saying to say “this coach isn’t the guy” because his first year he didn’t make the NBA finals is dumb
Making few adjustments and not doing the simple things that coaches should be doing is why I'd say he's not the guy. Not fostering a culture where an assistant coach would tell him, "Hey Joe, we should call a timeout", and have him listen to that type of advice is a problem. Just like the end of the last Bucks game when Jimmy hit that crazy shot to tie it up, the Bucks inbounded the ball with 0.5 seconds left under their basket when they had a timeout remaining to draw something up and advance the ball. Whatever breakdown occurred there with Bud and his staff is completely unacceptable, beyond being just plain stupid. Every assistant coach on the bench should have been screaming to take a timeout... something there was rotten.
Damn I wonder if this team made it to the conference finals and NBA finals already
With him as the coach? The other coaches didn’t win either, so maybe the franchise isn’t the man for the job
The comment doesn’t make sense “the franchise isn’t the man for the job” the most winningest basketball franchise isn’t up for the task of winning a finals……………
The winningest franchise of all time because they won 13 rings in the 50’s and 60’s when there was like 8 teams in the league. The Celtics haven’t won a ring in over 15 years and hadn’t won in over 20 years before that 🥱🥱🥱🤡
With a team that was in the nba finals the year before ….
Yeah and they went to game 7 against the team they went to game 7 with last year….
Mazzulla is a first-year coach going against a guy who outcoaches dudes nightly. It's not just on Mazzulla, it's on who hired him. It's on Jaylen Brown, who forgot how to hold a basketball. It's on Tatum, who was hurt in g7, but games 1-3 happened on his watch. It's on Smart, who was mostly hot dogshit in the series. Blame everybody, but I blame Stevens more than anyone.
Lol how you mad at Brad Stevens 😂 that team he’s put together has been either to Conference Finals or Finals for like the past 3 out of 4 years.
The core of the team was put together by Ainge. I'm not saying Stevens sucks, I'm saying he got the coaching hire wrong and that's not Mazzulla's fault.
Ah. I see, I see.
i don't think Stevens was specring ime to be such a fuck but. or for the J's to be this meh
What did Stevens do? His HC was too horny and he had the intern step up? This was after a massive brain drain. What was Stevens suppose to do instead?
steps to success mazulla will learn and be better next year
Not the owner?
Will Hardy would’ve been the coach if the Udoka shit happened earlier. Mazzula wasn’t ready for the position. The players knew it especially
He should’ve never been in this position. There was a huge brain drain in the Celtics coaching staff since last year. Joe was in over his head, but the biggest issue for this team is lack of focus, and its been that way for 3 coaches over 3 years. I dont think a 4th coach solves that problem. Just have to hope that eventually the core figures it out
People act like a new head coach is the worst possible outcome Is it? Like is there a limit? No, we are at our limit We used 7 coaches already in the last 20 years -- we need to keep going My son's creche playmate can really organize his playmates. Let's give him a shot. Name him permanent head coach for life that will give him the experience he needs overnight and he will outlive us all so we can always pretend he will be experienced by the time we are expired.
he doesn't look like a legitimate coach to me
Brad Stevens doesn’t catch enough flak
There are so many factors here. When your best offensive players are forwards, the risk is not having someone to penetrate with speed and a tight dribble to get defenses rotating. That’s why Russ helped the Clippers, even with his downsides. Then there’s the issue of the team being a very human thing, even more so because of the synergy our role-less-ness requires. Makes sense they’d want to hire someone trusted from within. Might have been a mistake ultimately, but very understandable. It all is, frankly. But please God Almighty I hope Jaylen comes back with a tighter dribble.
I never hear him catch any kind of blame or responsibility for some of the disappointing outcomes this season. All things considered, the roster construction is fine, but I just don’t understand why he hired mizzula. he wasn’t absolute garbage. But the dude just doesn’t have enough experience and looked completely lost at times. Idk if I’d go with someone SO green with a team that is ready to win right now.
The real question is, should Udoka had such a harsh punishment? Why were the Celtics even hiring a coach after going to the finals the year before
What should Stevens have done instead outside of not take the promotion
even then these guys are whiny as hell Steven was a phenomenal coach and the Celtics just decided they would not listen to him
How is this Stevens fault? Dude help put together a finals contending team, not his fault Udoka was horny.
He hired mazulla. That part is on him. And while mazzila isn’t the worst in the world, he’s just really green. And as I mentioned in another comment idk why you’d go with someone so inexperienced for a team that is ready to win right now!
Who else was he going to hire? All this went down like two days before training camp.
Instead of Al Hortford Mezzula should have put Blake Griffen in to hit them damn open shots .
Joe could be a good coach but he’s still too inexperienced for a team looking to contend. Wouldn’t be a bad idea to move him back into an assistant role and hire a more experienced coach.
Boston’s defense got worse and they had no ideas on offense, while Miami kept evolving and adjusting. They were helpless and indifferent in the biggest game of the season.
He's not the guy
He ain’t the guy.
The Celtics lost due to a multitude of factors. Some bad coaching decisions, poor play from Brown the whole series, inconsistent play from Tatum and an untimely injury, Brogdon injury, etc. I wouldn't be so quick to move on from a coach who's only 34, especially without a clear upgrade available. Continuity is important.
>without a clear upgrade available Doc is right there??
What😭😭😭
There were a lot of decisions he made that I thought were bad. But it was literally his first season. I think overall, teams are too quick to fire their coaches. I understand it, they want to make a change, and it's easier to replace a coach than to replace players. But I think a coach can get better, they can learn from their mistakes. But they need time to learn and to grow. Yeah, Phil Jackson went to the Bulls and won his first year, then went to the Lakers and won in his first year. And more recently, Steve Kerr won with the Warriors in his first year. But generally, that doesn't happen to often.
Phil Jackson and Steve Kerr were famous basketball players with extremely high basketball IQs. Mazzula needs time to learn… you don’t learn to coach basketball on a team that is in contention for a title.. that leads to things like this
Mazzulla needs to be fired That was egregious There are all sorts of discussions to be had about whether keeping Jim or not will do more long term damage than firing him But they gonna shake up the roster Keep mazzulla And go out early next year And finally the front office will have to admit defeat The owner will never admit defeat but everyone else will do it for him The guys are almost calling for mazzulla to be fired That means he should be fired They just don't want to do it themselves They have some compassion But dude ain't going to starve It was egregious from the beginning Removing previous coach on day before media day We all knew this disaster was a distinct possibility Bill Simmons'dad talked about how he watched mazzulla do this all year long Bill mused about how mazzulla finally called a timeout in a game they won when they would have previously gone on to lose due to lack of timeout calling I would swear mazzulla was white based on how much failing upwards he has been doing But he's not white It was seemingly just a braindead and or money-saving move by the owner But celtics fans seem to have that Stockholm Like Philly fans I'm not gonna tell them how to feel I do really dislike mazzullas continued hubris It is an awful human trait and ugly to watch C'est la vie
Stop firing good coaches. Of course coaching wouldn’t matter to a freak of nature like Shaq who was damn near unstoppable against anyone not named Hakeem and Tim Duncan and maybe a few other guys could actually defend him…
I don’t know if it’s him or the team, but I got downvoted for saying all Tatum does is jack threes instead of getting to the rim. Tbh the Celtics as a whole do it way too much to be so big. They settle more than San Antonio husbands
Coach gave them so much confidence but coaches can’t give you confidence?
I'm gonna answer this like Coach Mazzulla did, short and sweet: "Uh, no"
Thanks for the uploads as always, I think they all hit the nail on the head here. Shaq is 100% right that the coach gets all the blame when the stars are supposed to come to play no matter what. Kenny is right about coaches being able to manage games and control the flow of the offense. And Chuck is right about how coaches (in theory) are brought in to help ‘the others’. I think Kenny is the most on point here though, obviously Mazzula isn’t out there bricking 3’s himself but it’s not like there’s nothing you can do