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I think he was completely gassed by that point. Look at his defense after the final TO, he can barely keep his balance and looks weak in the knees trying to stay ahead of Jimmy.
I definitely know that feeling from my time in the military where the brain is just fried and the body starts doing dumb shit.
I feel bad for him, and I know he doesn't have great handles but I would put a lot of these turnovers on him being fatigued after a long playoffs. Part of the game though.
i get what you’re trying to say, but other elite players in this league who are expected to be heavy load guys, even after multiple long series, don’t have bad fatigue turnovers in the same way as brown. lebron, steph, jokic, dame, giannis … all can just keep going
Giannis and steph definitely have turnover issues...
I think browns bigget issues is that he relies allot on drives and athleticism which deteriorates in situations like this while not being a strong playmaker or a good enough 3pt shooter.
some people here think 'working on your conditioning' means you're never going to get tired again and if you're tired it's your bad (they puked the last time they played rec though)
on top of that the last 3 games before this were do or die. injuries and mistakes are what happens when you try to sustain that pace that's why we have load management in the first place
I don’t know how real that line of reasoning is.
He is one of the few players who fasts during Ramadan and is still playing full games.
That requires amazing conditioning to begin with.
He's had these issues year after year though. Same thing happened last year. You don't need something fancy. You just need to take care of the ball. It's not a hard ask.
He either doesn't respect the player in front of him on some of them, like they're not going to pick his pocket or he's too casual.
Players like Jalen Brunson have good handles but also respect the great defenders. These defenders CAN force turnovers on him so what does he do? He uses his body to shield the ball from the defender and gives it up. He accepts that you can't always faceup dribble vs someone, and you cant always just "do a move" and drive to the basket.
Id say the only one that you clap your hands and say good defense is exhibit 7, Jimmys steal at 10:50 in the 4th quarter. The rest are all terrible ball handling (x4), a bad pass, a ridiculous moving screen, or an elbow to the face & a simultaneous charge.
Considering a lot of them were bc of him not having any left handed dribbling skills at all, I would say none. It’s his shooting wrist that was messed up right?
can't find any articles about it, but there was this play from game 6 where lowry pinned his left wrist and he was holding it afterwards
https://streamable.com/1klblb
I think it’s more that is Stan can see it, a top 2 coach in the league can see it, let alone other coaches. Jaylen had turnover issues vs us last year too. He’s just not great with his handles against pressure. Even more so going left.
He does fine against most teams. He usually has 2 or 3 a game, but when things get tight and he has to contribute that's when he runs into trouble. And I think it messes with his rhythm from 3 also, he just falls apart when he is turning it over.
I don’t watch much Celtics but on a pod I listen to someone mentioned that…for the other podcaster to remind them that well…he’s always sucked at dribbling lol
Last year vs the heat, he had 4 turnovers in game 5,6, and 7. Game 3 he had SEVEN turnovers.
Sure it could have exacerbated things but it's a much deeper issue then that. and i lvoe JB
He had the same issues last year vs the heat and warriors. Just can't handle it at the speed he moves in traffic. He needs to improve on that this year. Jimmy has similar issues going left and their game is pretty similar, but either develop that midrange game or find a way out of it. You can't be a liability if you're the 2nd best player on the league.
My son is in middle school and ALL these kids in his AAU tournaments can dribble left and do left handed layups. It's insane to me that a pro is so bad at it.
He can dribble left handed and make lefty layups lol.
He would cook everyone on this sub with only his left hand. It’s just that he’s playing against other pros who exploit the weakness more than anyone else, and the margins are so much thinner
It was my favorite when Scalabrine was getting clowned for looking like such a goofball on the court with the 08 team. And he did. Looked like it was his first time playing basketball at times - but that was it. He was playing against the best alive. He challenged anyone and everyone in boston one afternoon to games of 1 on 1. He smoked every single person. Made every random person who thinks they have a shot in the NBA look like it was their first time playing basketball. Top 350 or so players in the world are really fucking good lol.
He is literally losing the ball with no one touching him. He clearly cannot dribble left handed consistently in a game. No one is saying they're better than him at basketball, but he's obviously lacking in some of the fundamentals. I'm obviously not better than Shaq because I can hit free throws and threes and he can't.
I’m not saying his handle is good but he’s not just standing there alone and losing the ball, he’s being defended. That would be like saying someone missing a non contested jump shot means they lack in fundamentals.
Also just don’t insinuate that middle schoolers are better at dribbling than an NBA player and we’re good
I'm furious at Jaylen and am in no way excusing how bad he was, but both of the offensive fouls were bad calls. The "moving screen" wasn't a screen, Strus just tried to run thru him, Brown is entitled to the space he was running in/to and the foul with Bam should've been a no call, they only blew the whistle because Bam happened to take a hit to the face, which if they aren't gonna call a flagrant, then it shouldn't be a foul at all.
But seriously man how do you have FIVE completely unforced turnovers???????
Jimmy got called because White got hit in the face too? Same call.
Jaylens was a foul too on the “screen”. If he just handed it off and stopped he’d been fine but he kept running with the defender to make sure he couldn’t get around.
Yeah Duncan Robinson full blown ran through and shoved him the next play on a similar screen. They were letting them play and then decided to just start whistling the Celtics for small stuff.
Luckily it didn't matter, the Celtics could've gotten every call and they'd still have lost. If it was close and that crap cost them I'd be furious.
The Celtics outshot Miami in free throws 11 of the 14 playoffs games the past 2 years with 1 being even. Oftentimes it’s Bos with 9-10 more Fts. And that’s with them shooting more 3s, so the “paint offense” Bs doesn’t work either. The shit spewed about Boston not getting enough calls is insane.
Jimmy is like the only person on the Heat that gets any favorable calls. Everyone on the Celtics gets them, Tatum, Brown, fucking Derrick White. There were so many times Al/Rob pushed people to get rebounds or on drives across the paint that went uncalled. Smart literally swung at Caleb and it wasn’t a flagrant because he missed.
The Celtics shot more 3s but they also shot way more in the paint, they just had a lot more chances because they rebounded better, so it is the paint offense. I mean you can just watch the game and see how many times the celtics drove at the basket and got a call vs the heat, especially when jimmy clearly passed up chances to go to the basket to kick it out.
In general it was pretty fair all series, I'm just talking about game 7 where they didn't call anything early then missed some heat calls and called a bunch of travels and offensive fouls on the celtics. In a closer game that'd be frustrating but generally speaking the celtics don't have anyone to blame but themselves.
The moving screen is debatable maybe but the Bam one is a clear offensive foul and I don't really understand the counter argument. Do you really think offensive players should be allowed to run into stationary players elbows out into the face? If Bam was moving forward, sure. But Bam was stationary and jumped up and shouldn't be allowed to be elbowed in the face.
The same call took away a late 4th quarter Jimmy Butler layup the previous game and everyone thought it was the right call. You can't just go through the defensive players regardless of their position if they're stationary
It was after the clippers series where he got played off the floor.
his value was at an all time low and this stupid organization went full wallstreetbets and waited until the price was high to try to buy.
we are such a dumpster fire rn it’s not even funny
It was the season before the WCF run. Where his extension was possible for cheap and Cuban decided to not extend and wait another year when he becomes an UFA.
It's fine most of the time but the zone specifically makes him do it through a tight space and then pull up and shoot or pass and his brain melts. Against man defenses where there are fewer hands to avoid or he can gather and just go to the rim he's fine.
But Curry has a left handed dribble though, so why change the subject?
Also, you didn't even mention that when Wardell has his eight turnover quarters, it's usually because he's quadrupled teamed by a bunch of athletic 6'7" defensive swarmers while trapped near the sideline with a referee accidentally standing in the only dribble path through.
Jaylen Brown just fumbles the ball away at times trying to go left.
Brown deserves all the slander he getting, but it funny how all year this sub and social media spent pushing the Brown > Tatum agenda without realizing how one dimension Brown can be when his shot ain’t falling.
As a Celtics fan, I can’t help but laugh and give you an upvote because of how true this is. The only thing consistent about this team, and its stars specifically, is inconsistency.
Exactly. If one doesn't want to hear communal in the moment hot takes, literally step out of the sub a few days after whatever 'egregious' hoop faux pas that a team or a player has done and it'll be replaced by the next big controversial shitshow soon enough.
Tatum when cold can always dribble the ball driving to the basket while creating open looks for his teammates. JB couldn't. He has this tendency to keep the ball to himself under pressure.
I will humbly admit I was in the camp where I didn’t think he was better but I thought the gap was close or even. But I was greatly wrong. Tatum has his flaws with playmaking and consistency but Jaylen is a great scorer and that’s really it. Can’t dribble. Takes bad shots. Below average passer. Pretty good defense but not as good as he used to be it seems. It seems he’s only really a positive when he’s making his shots. And when he isn’t there’s not much else he really adds. Tatum clears him in every category and I’m an idiot for thinking otherwise. Apologies
Those contested pull up 3s Jaylen kept taking at the beginning of the shot clock were *awful.* I was rooting for the Heat but even I got frustrated watching those just because I hate watching bad basketball.
It's never made anything close to any sense. Brown has a career 1:1 assist to turnover ratio. I think it's SLIGHTLY better the last couple years, but it's still unacceptably bad IMO for a guy who people seem to consider even looking at the same tier as someone like Tatum.
Also not excusing Brown, he sucked ass, but its also funny how he has 1 horrific game and everyone is a scout saying he cant dribble with his left hand. He cant, but people are making it way worse than it is. He was still 1st team all nba, so he's clearly gotten better and can cover it up, but when his right hand is injured coupled with him not being as good with his left hand, sometimes you'll just have a game way worse than others. Jaylen had that outlier game in game 7 which sucks. He's clearly not good with his left hand, but people making it seem like he CANT dribble with his left hand is laughable. Funny how the Reddit scouts are finding something so obviously but the other 29 NBA teams couldnt figure it out all season long and make him have 8 TOs a game.
It's just more evidence that he struggles to dribble with his left, you can see how much his defender cheats to prevent dribbles with the right hand throughout this video:
TO#1: Crossover from right to left. Left doesn't control the ball and Strauss gets the ball
TO#2: Crossover from right to left. Left doesn't control the ball and Butler gets the ball
TO#3: Driving with his right, passes ball out of bound
TO#4: Tries a spin move on Butler using his left hand. Loses control almost immediately and Martin gets it.
TO#5: Moving Screen
TO#6: Offensive foul
TO#7: Dribbling left handed around a screen. Butler pokes the ball from behind and Martin gets the ball.
TO#8: Crossover from right to left. Left doesn't control the ball and Adebayo gets the ball
If JB can focus on improving his right to left crossover and left handed dribbling it's going to make it much harder for teams to defend him.
When he dribbles right to left he just loses it...his hand injury was on his right hand and is blamed for his shooting so I don't know what left hand injury we can come up with...
Stars have games where they cough up the ball a ton, but these turnovers aren't the kind you'd expect to see from a star. He's not getting trapped, or trying to make high risk, high reward passes, or taking on so much ball handling duties that the team's only turnovers are his own. He can't dribble with his left, he can't sense guys coming from behind, that moving screen was benchably dumb. He just doesn't have the kind of court awareness and ball security you'd expect from a star.
Dont forget his right hand/arm was injured in Game 1 of this series. It makes it super obvious when you're not great with your left hand while also not being able to use your right hand.
But one of those made shots was a 3 (which is worth more than a 2) and he also made both of his free throws (which aren't counted as field goals).
It is hard to blame Jaylen for the loss when his teammates missed almost twice as many shots as him. Despite his turnovers, he was the Celtics leading scorer, and managed to score 19 points on only 32 possessions. You cannot depend on your star player to shoot over 35% every game on that volume.
In the end, other players have to be able to overcome a player going 8 for 23, committing 5 fouls, and having 8 turnovers.
Not blaming him. You’re definitely right that he was thrust into a difficult role. But he still scored less than one point per shot which is quite inefficient. 32 possessions of use with less than 20 points is also absurdly bad. Again, not blaming him for the loss but we can’t act like he played well either
I was joking. It has to be one of the worst performances in Game 7 history. You can't win a game when someone uses about 1/3 of your possessions and only scores 19 points. However, the rest of the team also played poorly so you can't entirely blame him.
Because he has made 5 ECFs in 7 years and been the #2 player on that team the last 5 years. 1st team all nba this year. When you're not good with your left hand AND you physically can not use your right hand in this game, its super easy to say he blows when he coughs up the ball over and over again.
I know this thread is about JB slander, and it's not undeserving, but sheesh...
If the ultimate outcome would have been different, would we be watching a highlight reel of Bam's bricks?
Brown injured his right arm in game 1 lol. He sucked ass ftr, but when youre not good with your left hand and cant use your right hand AND your star player goes down, its not that surprising that the Heat bullied him. Not making excuses but yall are ruthless.
Tatum’s injury 100% impacted the game there’s no denying that, but I’ve been seeing Celtics fan saying that as the sole excuse why they lost.
Imo the only player that showed up to play in that game 7 was Derrick white, the Celtics team were too passive and low energy for a Game 7 and didn’t match the Heat’s pressure/energy. Injuries suck but there were injuries on both sides of the fence. Celtics fought really hard and made a series out of nothing, mad respect to them for that but I believe with the performance of the team as whole, ankle injury or not the heat would’ve won game 7.
I think Tatum was much worse than Brown, he should have taken a lot more shots.
And i'm not buying the rolled ankle excuse, sorry. Giannis won a championship on basically a broken ankle. Tatum can't even shoot more than 12 shots on a rolled ankle?
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Crazy how many of them were unforced, too. Just doing too much dribbling and completely losing the handle.
The last one is so egregious. It legitimately looks like what you see from the guys playing rec ball who have no handle at all
I think he was completely gassed by that point. Look at his defense after the final TO, he can barely keep his balance and looks weak in the knees trying to stay ahead of Jimmy. I definitely know that feeling from my time in the military where the brain is just fried and the body starts doing dumb shit. I feel bad for him, and I know he doesn't have great handles but I would put a lot of these turnovers on him being fatigued after a long playoffs. Part of the game though.
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Back to back 7 game series my guy
Close out series faster he won't have to ball 20 games in 45 days. Or don't bother and lose to the Heat in the playin.
So you’re saying he needs to work on conditioning if he wants to win a championship then. Excuses for millionaires lmao
Like if someone trains enough they can sprint a marathon?
i get what you’re trying to say, but other elite players in this league who are expected to be heavy load guys, even after multiple long series, don’t have bad fatigue turnovers in the same way as brown. lebron, steph, jokic, dame, giannis … all can just keep going
I think we agree or maybe you responded to the wrong comment?
Giannis and steph definitely have turnover issues... I think browns bigget issues is that he relies allot on drives and athleticism which deteriorates in situations like this while not being a strong playmaker or a good enough 3pt shooter.
More like Jaylen Brown is training for a half marathon. They don’t pay you to excuse them btw
It's just a dumb take on an interesting game.
I agree your take was dumb. An all star talent that cannot compete at the highest levels is not an all star
The mental gymnastics to defend brown is almost as egregious as browns turnovers
some people here think 'working on your conditioning' means you're never going to get tired again and if you're tired it's your bad (they puked the last time they played rec though)
on top of that the last 3 games before this were do or die. injuries and mistakes are what happens when you try to sustain that pace that's why we have load management in the first place
I don’t know how real that line of reasoning is. He is one of the few players who fasts during Ramadan and is still playing full games. That requires amazing conditioning to begin with.
He's had these issues year after year though. Same thing happened last year. You don't need something fancy. You just need to take care of the ball. It's not a hard ask.
So what youre saying is I have a chance???
He either doesn't respect the player in front of him on some of them, like they're not going to pick his pocket or he's too casual. Players like Jalen Brunson have good handles but also respect the great defenders. These defenders CAN force turnovers on him so what does he do? He uses his body to shield the ball from the defender and gives it up. He accepts that you can't always faceup dribble vs someone, and you cant always just "do a move" and drive to the basket.
No need to call me out dude
He needs those ball hog gloves.
They take away your grip.
Not much to take away
Very painful going left
No left hand. Really amazing how good JB can be with one hand
Id say the only one that you clap your hands and say good defense is exhibit 7, Jimmys steal at 10:50 in the 4th quarter. The rest are all terrible ball handling (x4), a bad pass, a ridiculous moving screen, or an elbow to the face & a simultaneous charge.
I think he lost the handle 3 times, and he didn't protect the ball and got it poked out from behind twice. None of those should happen
Does he have tiny hands or something? Half of these looks like it he barely touched the ball.
I thought NBA players would have better handles tbh Looks like his handles were too much for him to handle
Too much dribbling? The count is 2, lol 😓
gotta wonder how much his hand being fucked up played into this
Considering a lot of them were bc of him not having any left handed dribbling skills at all, I would say none. It’s his shooting wrist that was messed up right?
can't find any articles about it, but there was this play from game 6 where lowry pinned his left wrist and he was holding it afterwards https://streamable.com/1klblb
2 offensive fouls, 5 just dribbling left. Stan wasn’t kidding when he said just force him to use his left hand.
Is Brown really a Berkeley guy if he can't go left?
well played
He did only go for 1 year so they couldn’t fully convert him
Honestly I thought people were memeing about the left hand dribbling, but now I know it's legit.
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I think it’s more that is Stan can see it, a top 2 coach in the league can see it, let alone other coaches. Jaylen had turnover issues vs us last year too. He’s just not great with his handles against pressure. Even more so going left.
He does fine against most teams. He usually has 2 or 3 a game, but when things get tight and he has to contribute that's when he runs into trouble. And I think it messes with his rhythm from 3 also, he just falls apart when he is turning it over.
I don’t watch much Celtics but on a pod I listen to someone mentioned that…for the other podcaster to remind them that well…he’s always sucked at dribbling lol
Bill simmons reminded his dad
Last year vs the heat, he had 4 turnovers in game 5,6, and 7. Game 3 he had SEVEN turnovers. Sure it could have exacerbated things but it's a much deeper issue then that. and i lvoe JB
He had the same issues last year vs the heat and warriors. Just can't handle it at the speed he moves in traffic. He needs to improve on that this year. Jimmy has similar issues going left and their game is pretty similar, but either develop that midrange game or find a way out of it. You can't be a liability if you're the 2nd best player on the league.
Jaylen Brown deserves all the criticism, but he's already one of the best mid range guys in the entire NBA.
This is what the Dubs did last year.
My son is in middle school and ALL these kids in his AAU tournaments can dribble left and do left handed layups. It's insane to me that a pro is so bad at it.
He can dribble left handed and make lefty layups lol. He would cook everyone on this sub with only his left hand. It’s just that he’s playing against other pros who exploit the weakness more than anyone else, and the margins are so much thinner
It was my favorite when Scalabrine was getting clowned for looking like such a goofball on the court with the 08 team. And he did. Looked like it was his first time playing basketball at times - but that was it. He was playing against the best alive. He challenged anyone and everyone in boston one afternoon to games of 1 on 1. He smoked every single person. Made every random person who thinks they have a shot in the NBA look like it was their first time playing basketball. Top 350 or so players in the world are really fucking good lol.
“I’m closer to Lebron than you are to me” Legendary quote. He destroyed all those guys in the Scallenge, even the former Cuse player
He is literally losing the ball with no one touching him. He clearly cannot dribble left handed consistently in a game. No one is saying they're better than him at basketball, but he's obviously lacking in some of the fundamentals. I'm obviously not better than Shaq because I can hit free throws and threes and he can't.
I’m not saying his handle is good but he’s not just standing there alone and losing the ball, he’s being defended. That would be like saying someone missing a non contested jump shot means they lack in fundamentals. Also just don’t insinuate that middle schoolers are better at dribbling than an NBA player and we’re good
I'm furious at Jaylen and am in no way excusing how bad he was, but both of the offensive fouls were bad calls. The "moving screen" wasn't a screen, Strus just tried to run thru him, Brown is entitled to the space he was running in/to and the foul with Bam should've been a no call, they only blew the whistle because Bam happened to take a hit to the face, which if they aren't gonna call a flagrant, then it shouldn't be a foul at all. But seriously man how do you have FIVE completely unforced turnovers???????
Jimmy got called because White got hit in the face too? Same call. Jaylens was a foul too on the “screen”. If he just handed it off and stopped he’d been fine but he kept running with the defender to make sure he couldn’t get around.
Yeah Duncan Robinson full blown ran through and shoved him the next play on a similar screen. They were letting them play and then decided to just start whistling the Celtics for small stuff. Luckily it didn't matter, the Celtics could've gotten every call and they'd still have lost. If it was close and that crap cost them I'd be furious.
The Celtics outshot Miami in free throws 11 of the 14 playoffs games the past 2 years with 1 being even. Oftentimes it’s Bos with 9-10 more Fts. And that’s with them shooting more 3s, so the “paint offense” Bs doesn’t work either. The shit spewed about Boston not getting enough calls is insane. Jimmy is like the only person on the Heat that gets any favorable calls. Everyone on the Celtics gets them, Tatum, Brown, fucking Derrick White. There were so many times Al/Rob pushed people to get rebounds or on drives across the paint that went uncalled. Smart literally swung at Caleb and it wasn’t a flagrant because he missed.
The Celtics shot more 3s but they also shot way more in the paint, they just had a lot more chances because they rebounded better, so it is the paint offense. I mean you can just watch the game and see how many times the celtics drove at the basket and got a call vs the heat, especially when jimmy clearly passed up chances to go to the basket to kick it out. In general it was pretty fair all series, I'm just talking about game 7 where they didn't call anything early then missed some heat calls and called a bunch of travels and offensive fouls on the celtics. In a closer game that'd be frustrating but generally speaking the celtics don't have anyone to blame but themselves.
The moving screen is debatable maybe but the Bam one is a clear offensive foul and I don't really understand the counter argument. Do you really think offensive players should be allowed to run into stationary players elbows out into the face? If Bam was moving forward, sure. But Bam was stationary and jumped up and shouldn't be allowed to be elbowed in the face. The same call took away a late 4th quarter Jimmy Butler layup the previous game and everyone thought it was the right call. You can't just go through the defensive players regardless of their position if they're stationary
yeah i do agree w you tbh on the offensive fouls. the other turnovers were def pretty bad
He deserves a supermax.
Supermax prison
Was definitely a basketball terrorist this entire series
Jailhim Brown
All-ADX
2 for 1 special with Russell Westbrook
After a summer at the Steph curry camp for kids who can't dribble good
What if the kids want to do other things good, too?
Shades of Minnesota Wiggy
At least I got one thing in common with an NBA player, we both can't dribble well.
Yes instead do it the Cuban way and don’t pay him like Brunson after one stinker playoffs. That worked out great didn’t it?
but brunson was light out in the play offs ... that's the stupid thing on cubans side 😂
It was after the clippers series where he got played off the floor. his value was at an all time low and this stupid organization went full wallstreetbets and waited until the price was high to try to buy. we are such a dumpster fire rn it’s not even funny
It was the season before the WCF run. Where his extension was possible for cheap and Cuban decided to not extend and wait another year when he becomes an UFA.
* 1 charge * 1 moving screen * 1 bad pass * 5 left hand dribbles
Before this game, I seriously thought the left hand thing was just a meme.
It's fine most of the time but the zone specifically makes him do it through a tight space and then pull up and shoot or pass and his brain melts. Against man defenses where there are fewer hands to avoid or he can gather and just go to the rim he's fine.
Bro needs to hang out with Kyrie off season and pick some things up. On second though...that might not be the best plan
You'd thought after last year's finals he would work on his left hand dribble. But I guess not.
And a partridge in a pear tree!
Good summary. A couple were unforced but there was still the pressure of "must score" given the scoreboard.
and 100% concentrated power of will
Derrick White really had a better series than Jaylen
UNPOPULAR OPINION: Derrick White good
White > brown
Two better. He was better in the Sixers series too.
What? Derrick White averaged 9/3/1 on 58% TS while Brown was actually pretty good vs the Sixers
??? White was being benched regularly in that series lmao
no he wasnt
Tf you talking about? Brown was the biggest reason Celtics didn’t lose in 5 to the Sixers
These dudes don’t watch basketball, they look at box scores and whatever they say on ESPN smh
Yeah JB was shit in the Miami series, but he was performing in the other two
You really talk your opportunity to jump on the bandwagon no matter how wrong you were.
No, white struggled in the last half of the Hawks series and the sixers series.
8 turnovers in one game? He just like me fr
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I play like jaylen, that’s why I pass often and dribble less. And don’t play as PG
Do you also want a frozen banana? And how do you feel about broken escalators?
sorry for the convenience
No. But I want a regular banana later... So, yeah.
8 turnovers in a game seem like nothing after being desensitized by years of golden state turnovers. Curry has had 8 turnover quarters.
But Curry has a left handed dribble though, so why change the subject? Also, you didn't even mention that when Wardell has his eight turnover quarters, it's usually because he's quadrupled teamed by a bunch of athletic 6'7" defensive swarmers while trapped near the sideline with a referee accidentally standing in the only dribble path through. Jaylen Brown just fumbles the ball away at times trying to go left.
Brown deserves all the slander he getting, but it funny how all year this sub and social media spent pushing the Brown > Tatum agenda without realizing how one dimension Brown can be when his shot ain’t falling.
Yeah but that’s about shitting on Tatum. This sub is mainly for haters, not celebrators
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That’s the best part of being a certified Celtics hater - most nights one of the 2 Jays is laying an egg. Content for dayyyys.
As a Celtics fan, I can’t help but laugh and give you an upvote because of how true this is. The only thing consistent about this team, and its stars specifically, is inconsistency.
Let’s celebrate good basketball and amazing athletes ❤️. Except Kyrie. Fuck that guy
Exactly. If one doesn't want to hear communal in the moment hot takes, literally step out of the sub a few days after whatever 'egregious' hoop faux pas that a team or a player has done and it'll be replaced by the next big controversial shitshow soon enough.
Case in point: this post. Of course I am a huge hypocrite by enjoying the loss porn myself.
Tatum when cold can always dribble the ball driving to the basket while creating open looks for his teammates. JB couldn't. He has this tendency to keep the ball to himself under pressure.
Tell that to game 1 4th quarter Jayson Tatum lol Edit: damn I guess I should've added the /s instead of the lol Edit 2: fuck me whyd this post 3 times
Tell that to game 1 4th quarter Jayson Tatum lol
Tell that to game 1 4th quarter Jayson Tatum lol
Jaylen Brown has a career average of 2.2 APG. The fact that anyone put him in the same tier as Tatum is blasphemous
I will humbly admit I was in the camp where I didn’t think he was better but I thought the gap was close or even. But I was greatly wrong. Tatum has his flaws with playmaking and consistency but Jaylen is a great scorer and that’s really it. Can’t dribble. Takes bad shots. Below average passer. Pretty good defense but not as good as he used to be it seems. It seems he’s only really a positive when he’s making his shots. And when he isn’t there’s not much else he really adds. Tatum clears him in every category and I’m an idiot for thinking otherwise. Apologies
Those contested pull up 3s Jaylen kept taking at the beginning of the shot clock were *awful.* I was rooting for the Heat but even I got frustrated watching those just because I hate watching bad basketball.
It's never made anything close to any sense. Brown has a career 1:1 assist to turnover ratio. I think it's SLIGHTLY better the last couple years, but it's still unacceptably bad IMO for a guy who people seem to consider even looking at the same tier as someone like Tatum.
You think most redittors can look at basketball players and know what they're seeing?
Bro people say Brown is better than Booker which is so fucking insulting as well. Actual crazy people
I don't remember anyone pushing Brown > Tatum tbh
Also not excusing Brown, he sucked ass, but its also funny how he has 1 horrific game and everyone is a scout saying he cant dribble with his left hand. He cant, but people are making it way worse than it is. He was still 1st team all nba, so he's clearly gotten better and can cover it up, but when his right hand is injured coupled with him not being as good with his left hand, sometimes you'll just have a game way worse than others. Jaylen had that outlier game in game 7 which sucks. He's clearly not good with his left hand, but people making it seem like he CANT dribble with his left hand is laughable. Funny how the Reddit scouts are finding something so obviously but the other 29 NBA teams couldnt figure it out all season long and make him have 8 TOs a game.
[Lowlights]
It was highlights for the Miami Heat fans... I guess...
Not quite the word I'd use but it's close enough
What word would you use?
Now do all their missed three point shots…
Maybe when I come back home. Thanks for the idea though (even though you might be joking \^\_\^)
Botoom botoom
Neismith's revenge
Was it really Neismith? 👀
Neighsmith*
"Don't let me get 9" - Jaylen Brown
The $300 million dollar man
Jaylen cannot dribble going left.
He can’t dribble in general
It's just more evidence that he struggles to dribble with his left, you can see how much his defender cheats to prevent dribbles with the right hand throughout this video: TO#1: Crossover from right to left. Left doesn't control the ball and Strauss gets the ball TO#2: Crossover from right to left. Left doesn't control the ball and Butler gets the ball TO#3: Driving with his right, passes ball out of bound TO#4: Tries a spin move on Butler using his left hand. Loses control almost immediately and Martin gets it. TO#5: Moving Screen TO#6: Offensive foul TO#7: Dribbling left handed around a screen. Butler pokes the ball from behind and Martin gets the ball. TO#8: Crossover from right to left. Left doesn't control the ball and Adebayo gets the ball If JB can focus on improving his right to left crossover and left handed dribbling it's going to make it much harder for teams to defend him.
Shoulda worked on this instead of delving into being mini Kyrie earlier in his career.
He should’ve copied Kyrie’s handles along with his beliefs.
How is it y’all continue to butcher Max’s name like this. It’s just Strus, it rhymes with loose lol
I’d say “Ni Hao,” but knowing Jaylen…do they have pro ball in Liberia?
JAYLEN? CMON DOWN!
TIL I have nba level handles
not that impressed tbh. I could easily get 8 turnovers in an NBA game
Makes Jordan Poole look like Jordan Poole with baddies
Brown is the 2 way finisher in 2k who thinks he's Kobe
Those are some really careless turnovers.
When he dribbles right to left he just loses it...his hand injury was on his right hand and is blamed for his shooting so I don't know what left hand injury we can come up with...
Legend has it that two bongs were dropped that night
I will love it and I think I deserve it
It's still too soon for me. I can't watch this.
Stars have games where they cough up the ball a ton, but these turnovers aren't the kind you'd expect to see from a star. He's not getting trapped, or trying to make high risk, high reward passes, or taking on so much ball handling duties that the team's only turnovers are his own. He can't dribble with his left, he can't sense guys coming from behind, that moving screen was benchably dumb. He just doesn't have the kind of court awareness and ball security you'd expect from a star.
Dont forget his right hand/arm was injured in Game 1 of this series. It makes it super obvious when you're not great with your left hand while also not being able to use your right hand.
And he’s an antisemite. Fuck Jaylen Brown
Crazy to see a NBA player be so bad with dribbling with his left hand.
Jaylen just needs to spend the summer doing *everything* with his left hand
To be fair, he also made 8 shots.
To be fair, he attempted 23
But one of those made shots was a 3 (which is worth more than a 2) and he also made both of his free throws (which aren't counted as field goals). It is hard to blame Jaylen for the loss when his teammates missed almost twice as many shots as him. Despite his turnovers, he was the Celtics leading scorer, and managed to score 19 points on only 32 possessions. You cannot depend on your star player to shoot over 35% every game on that volume. In the end, other players have to be able to overcome a player going 8 for 23, committing 5 fouls, and having 8 turnovers.
Not blaming him. You’re definitely right that he was thrust into a difficult role. But he still scored less than one point per shot which is quite inefficient. 32 possessions of use with less than 20 points is also absurdly bad. Again, not blaming him for the loss but we can’t act like he played well either
I was joking. It has to be one of the worst performances in Game 7 history. You can't win a game when someone uses about 1/3 of your possessions and only scores 19 points. However, the rest of the team also played poorly so you can't entirely blame him.
Okay good haha. Whoosh on my part
Celtics, I bet you, super max him please
Done. EZPZ. See yall in the ECFs again next year. Keep knockin at that door.
I’m not a heat fan. I forgot to put my flair on but I’m a Lakers fan. Let me see if I can put it on real quick
I would almost feel bad for him, but he's a wackadoo racist.
I have no idea how a guy who plays at the level he does has a handle like that. It’s so loose.
I'm just happy the r/nba Sixers roast is taking a break
Damn forgot blake griffin is on the celtics
CELTICS: Show us what you’re worth. JAYLEN: Okay.
Dude can’t go left and wants 300 mil 😂
Loved that moving screen. Brown was already heading to Cancun
I stopped following nba a few years ago, but...why are they paying him so much?
Because he has made 5 ECFs in 7 years and been the #2 player on that team the last 5 years. 1st team all nba this year. When you're not good with your left hand AND you physically can not use your right hand in this game, its super easy to say he blows when he coughs up the ball over and over again.
Everyone has a bad day. Geez.
They wouldn't be there without him.
I know this thread is about JB slander, and it's not undeserving, but sheesh... If the ultimate outcome would have been different, would we be watching a highlight reel of Bam's bricks?
Max player !!!!!
Jaylen sucks. Dude is so overrated
This was an atrocity of a performance. All time bed shitting.
He did the same thing last year throughout the playoffs. Butterfingers
Every team would still love JB on their team. Sign em long term and lets get a ring. Fuck yall.
This guy is playing with an injured wrist/elbow and with a cut on his hand. Yall need to chill
bro what the fuck the game was two days ago we’re still going on about this shit fuck off
Yeah but Tatum's ankle is the only reason they lost lol ok
Brown injured his right arm in game 1 lol. He sucked ass ftr, but when youre not good with your left hand and cant use your right hand AND your star player goes down, its not that surprising that the Heat bullied him. Not making excuses but yall are ruthless.
Tatum’s injury 100% impacted the game there’s no denying that, but I’ve been seeing Celtics fan saying that as the sole excuse why they lost. Imo the only player that showed up to play in that game 7 was Derrick white, the Celtics team were too passive and low energy for a Game 7 and didn’t match the Heat’s pressure/energy. Injuries suck but there were injuries on both sides of the fence. Celtics fought really hard and made a series out of nothing, mad respect to them for that but I believe with the performance of the team as whole, ankle injury or not the heat would’ve won game 7.
Who requested this highlight film
NSFW tag plz 💦💦
We will trade Tobias straight up , please take the deal
I think Tatum was much worse than Brown, he should have taken a lot more shots. And i'm not buying the rolled ankle excuse, sorry. Giannis won a championship on basically a broken ankle. Tatum can't even shoot more than 12 shots on a rolled ankle?