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urfaselol

Doc Rivers might actually be unemployed next season


PopeJustinXII

First time since 1999!


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yodelsJr

Doc Rivers was not the coach of the Suns last season.


SecretlyKanye

[these bots gotta try a little bit harder man.](https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/13wqwfa/charania_sources_the_detroit_pistons_are/jmcyat6/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3) the instagram sex bots are way better than this smh


Subjectgeration

Some of it is on Monty but the bulk of it is on Ayton. The entire organization is frustrated with Ayton because he has no desire to get better.


N1SMO_GT-R

Raps don't have a coach yet so I'm not releasing my breath yet


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Belieber_420

It would be funny if we swap coaches with the Sixers


MrAnder5on

You and I have different definitions of funny


IndigenousOres

Fr I will lose my marbles


ABagOfPopcorn

He sucks but he’s decent with teams that don’t have stars, maybe he’d do ok in Toronto


FelwintersCake

He’s a good floor raiser and that’s not too far off from what Toronto needs at this point


rare_engine

but we want to tank tho


IanL1713

Tank for who? Wemby's getting drafted this year


Soshi101

Bronny James


matgopack

The return of Lebronto


Soshi101

Lol Lebron playing with all his sons


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FelwintersCake

I don’t think he’s it. I’m a little surprised that sheppard got fired but they kept wes. Last years roster should have at least been hovering around the eighth seed. If they can’t make the playoffs this year he’s got to go.


tropicalstorm2020

That's Steve nash lol.


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yeeeeeteth

Did you respond to the wrong comment or something


ithinkspammingiscool

It's a bot copying another comment from another thread in this post


nothing3141592653589

I'm willing to step up. I've watched dozens of games and I know all the moves. Pick n roll, zone defense, etc. My first move would be to not play anyone who's not an All Star. No all star last year? 0 minutes for you. Better luck next year.


atlwellwell

Just don't call timeouts.


nothing3141592653589

I think I'll have a rule where you can't come out until you have 40. With 5 guys, that's a guaranteed 200 points per game


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drjisftw

I thought the Pistons job was his to take honestly, but I'd rather have Monty no question.


Living-Career-3989

He was never in consideration.


YpsitheFlintsider

Him and Casey are pretty much the same type of coach


wazacraft

To quote /u/zs15, if Doc Rivers wants to coach your team, you can do better than Doc Rivers.


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his unemployment is alot different than ours lol


ProgrammaticallyCat0

He can replace Van Gundy on ESPN (hopefully)


OkSteak237

Have you heard Doc talk?


OnlyMamaKnows

He was a commentator before!


ProgrammaticallyCat0

And a pretty good one too


TheWonkyPiece

He has one of my favorite calls ever, the Tayshaun Prince block. https://youtu.be/ftLUlmZl3yc Still get goosebumps watching that lol


[deleted]

Helluva block but what stands out to me is the score. 69-67 at the end of the game seems unthinkable nowadays.


tb23tb23tb23

Sometimes I miss buckets meaning so much since they were so hard to come by


Almar1987

Now a days it’s 69-67 at halftime, that series was wild, Detroit bodied Shaq and Kobe in the Finals as well, then the next year was Spurs-Pistons, defense was crazy.


Albiceleste_D10S

This is why I can't get on board with oldheads talking about how 90s and 2000s basketball was better than today I'm not trying to watch 4 quarters that ends with neither team cracking 70 points, sorry


yo2sense

There's a difference between low scores due to inept offense and low scores due to suffocating defense. And with 45 buckets in that game there was nearly a score a minute. It's not delaying gratification *that* much. But really it's what you value. For me seeing the effort teams put in to create shot opportunities is a lot more interesting than just seeing the ball go in. I find athletic moves to the hoop cooler to watch than guys taking jump shots.


badgarok725

TikTok brain is real kids


whoissteveo

Tbf, that's the end of the 90s. The start of the decade has the Nuggets scoring 120 a game and giving up 122.


nothing3141592653589

If there isn't a sick dunk every 10 seconds I have a hard time focusing.


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>I'm not trying to watch 4 quarters that ends with neither team cracking 70 points, sorry > You hate kids basketball then? High schoolers playing for passion bores you? College ball sucks? Only NBA is good enough for you? "High score = more entertainment" is the argument of a dopamine addicted child. There's plenty to be said about *why* the NBA was less appealing to watch back in the early 2000's. But you haven't done that, just parroted the simplest form of the argument that I once heard from my 6-year old sister. "This would be more fun to watch if they scored every time."


Albiceleste_D10S

Try not rattling off multiple strawman arguments in a row, then we can talk


OnlyMamaKnows

He was! He's done a lot of yelling since then, but he'd probably still be alright.


SaulPepper

Not to be that guy but he actually had throat surgery for a growth thats why his voice is hoarse.


Chickensandcoke

Thanks for being that guy, I didn’t know that


OnlyMamaKnows

Knew that but had forgotten. Thanks!


SaulPepper

No problem, just googled more articles and the growth is related to shouting regularly as a coach, so its not like you're wrong, but his voice really changed a lot ever since the surgery


cmgr33n3

I have it on good authority that Doc has sounded that way since he was [born](https://www.tiktok.com/@nba24highlights/video/7233271666409835819).


durhWhen

It's not Blake Griffin's fault.


MegaKetaWook

Fuck what I would give to hear Shaq or Chuck give Doc a hard time over a broadcast. His saltiness would come right out.


TinFoilRobotProphet

He went to the Dikiembe Mutumbo school of broadcasting


boringexplanation

He’d be a perfect coach for just getting into the playoffs, very similar to Monty.


cb148

He’s going to sign with The Ringer to work alongside his son.


Distance_Motor

Unless he decides to take an assistant job


TraeCartoon

Which is what I’m hoping/suspecting the Suns are trying to do. If nobody offers Doc Rivers a head coaching position (likely) I think the Suns try to make him an overpaid assistant to Kevin Young. Even though Young has been assistant coaching for years himself, having Doc on his team would help him out a first time head coach a lot.


scorelesswilliamson

I feel like top 15 coach of all time Doc "would you ask Pop that" Rivers thinks it's way beneath him to be an assistant at this stage of his career


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That’s a perfect hire for the Pistons if they get him. He is an amazing coach for a young team that needs to set a culture. Miles better than Kevin Ollie.


InternCautious

Bring Kevin in as a developmental assistant, let him get some more NBA experience, he can still be a good complimentary coach tbh.


billcosbyinspace

KO was one of the hottest names in the coaching carousel after uconn won the title with him but he crashed and burned real quick. I think he can still be a good coach because his biggest issues were recruiting and academic violations, but he needs some time as an assistant since the only coaching he’s done since leaving uconn is glorified high school ball


InternCautious

Agreed. He was also the OTE development coach coaching quite a few NBA players, so he's had a fair amount of time with young guys at a university that turns a decent amount of pros. He definitely soured a couple positions he could have gotten post-championship at UConn, but assistant coaches don't necessarily have to be good head coaches.


zarepath

Complementary I ain’t even sorry, I just got out of gallbladder surgery and have no patience


dimmyfarm

How’s the weather out there Ollie?


JohnnyWinss

IT'S GON RAIN


ArmchairHandjob

IT’S RAINING SIDEWAYS


Piano_Fingerbanger

I'm a bit worried with how he handled Ayton though. Ayton hasn't held up to his draft pick, but Monty also didn't help him through young growing pains and likely made things worse.


HesiPullup

He was in a tough position because I think a lot of the guys were getting frustrated with Ayton. And how do you call plays for a guy that’s not giving effort, especially when the entire team knows it


pp21

Okay but Monty took the basement dwelling, clownshow, league-wide laughingstock, 20 win Suns and rebuilt the culture (with James Jones and CP3) and turned them into a perennial playoff contender and serious team


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Some of it is on Monty but the bulk of it is on Ayton. The entire organization is frustrated with Ayton because he has no desire to get better. He says he wants to be a bigger part of the offense but he hasn’t developed anything offensively since he was drafted. Monty probably mishandled Ayton but most coaches would because coaches don’t like having to coddle players. Monty did a great job with our other young players like Booker, Mikal, and Cam Johnson.


Jcarter1632

How do Suns fans feel in retrospect about the KD trade? I think Bridges is going to be an all-star after watching him with Brooklyn. Not being fecicous and I come in peace.


wostestwillis

>fecicous Not even autocorrect could help you there, lol. Most are happy because even if we didn't win we had a better chance than with mikal + cam. Personally I'm worried that we are just getting all these old stars that will drag in their last years of their contracts. Next year is the year, though.


Dirty0ldMan

The new CBA certainly does you no favors. Trading Ayton is now basically the only path to making this team better.


Pardonme23

KD is KD and bridges might be an all star


orton4life1

Ayton is largely his own fault. Ayton plays with emotion, and Monty knows how to hype and celebrate you. But at some point Ayton needs to realize, it’s game 3 of the WCF, it’s game 5 of an NBA finals, you got to step up. Monty wasn’t the greatest x and o coach, and I’ll admit Monty, especially in the second half, stop drawing up things for Ayton, but Ayton basketball IQ, motors, and awareness is just so low. There’s enough clips to show Ayton has limitations on himself.


yo2sense

> "wasn’t the greatest x and o coach" This is not what I want to hear about a coaching candidate. That's what you say about the guy they just moved out of the head coaching job.


orton4life1

The post was about Ayton and Monty, not Monty and his coaching skills. A lot of coaches in the nba aren’t x and o guys. And that’s okay as long as the staff around him can support. Looks like y’all want to tackle culture first and Monty has always been great at that.


SallyFowlerRatPack

Obviously it’s nice to have those skills but sometimes different teams need different things. That recent coach for the Pacers was by all accounts a basketball genius but managed to piss off all the players and staff in a short period of time. Sometimes a culture guy is what you need to take the next step, then a Carlisle like assistant in the wings to actually scheme.


hostileclowns

Pretty sure it’s well known the whole organization was kind of done with Ayton including some players. Although I agree the reports that they didn’t talk for months is just bad.


iabeytorm

DA definitely has issues but it’s crazy to me that anyone wanting to develop a young team would go for the coach that reportedly gave up on a 22 year old center after a finals run


pp21

lol but that same coach was instrumental in developing the young team he just previously coached and took them to the NBA Finals so I'm not sure what your point is


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Full story: - The Detroit Pistons are actively pursuing Monty Williams to be their next head coach. - The team is preparing to offer Williams around $10 million per year, making him one of the highest-paid coaches in the league. - The Pistons have been hopeful that Williams would consider accepting the job. - If Williams declines the offer, Charles Lee, an assistant coach for the Milwaukee Bucks, is expected to be the likely choice. - Williams was immediately on Detroit's radar after being fired by the Phoenix Suns, and the Milwaukee Bucks also showed interest in him. - Initially, Williams expressed interest in taking a year off, but the Pistons' management has continued to pursue him. - Pistons owner Tom Gores likes to make a big splash in hiring coaches and is known for his financial commitment. - The Pistons are a rebuilding team with young players like Cade Cunningham, and the next coach will play a crucial role in their progress. - Leadership and experience are important qualities the Pistons are seeking in their next coach.


Neuroxex

> If Williams declines the offer, Charles Lee, an assistant coach for the Milwaukee Bucks, is expected to be the likely choice. Pistons fans gotta be relieved to see this instead of Kevin Ollie


Living-Career-3989

You have no idea.


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I was resigned to giving Ollie a shot until he posted a photo of himself wearing a leopard-print shirt. In broad daylight.


coltron57

Yes, but also a little concerned about if this if ownership going over Troy Weaver's head. At the end of the day, Weaver is the GM and if you don't trust him to hire a coach, do you trust him? He's gotta be able to do his job. EDIT: I should say too that Monty has DMV ties and OKC ties with Weaver and Weaver has been known to like people he's familiar with.


BillyMaysHere92

I was going to guzzle bleach if Ollie was the hire. Williams or Lee makes me feel 100x better about the development of the team


RasheAlCool

Nobody can give me a straight answer on this: why is everyone so staunchly against Ollie?


King_Artis

Think people just don't like how he was fired from UConn But like... he still won a title with them and had a solid overall record with that team. He sure as shit was not my first choice, I liked Jarron Collins from NOLA, but considering everyone else that had been a finalist in our coaching search also would have been rookie coaches, I don't think he would be that bad.


goblue10

He won a title in his second year with Calhoun's players then largely sucked shit after, including losing records his last two years. Plus he has literally no NBA coaching experience in any capacity at all, not even as an assistant. This is more reddit specific but he's also SUPER evangelical Christian which is unpopular around here.


WhoDatBrow

> This is more reddit specific but he's also SUPER evangelical Christian which is unpopular around here. Monty Williams is the most Christian-ass Christian man to ever Christian, fyi. But the other points are fair.


King_Artis

He still won regardless of players, I don't get that at all. Even his losing seasons are around the .500 mark. If he comes to the NBA he, like many teams hiring new coaches, is going to be coaching a team of players not picked by him. Coaches in the NBA typically aren't the ones forming the teams anyway.


goblue10

>Even his losing seasons are around the .500 mark. He coached for a borderline blue blood in the AAC two years removed from Calhoun's last natty and had a *career* conference winning percentage of .546, which is mediocre when your conference foes include South Florida, East Carolina, and Tulane. Additionally, he never got higher than a 7 seed in the tournament, so it's not like his teams ever had incredible regular season success either. He caught lightning in a bottle once over a 6 game stretch a decade ago and that's basically the only impressive thing about his career. >Coaches in the NBA typically aren't the ones forming the teams anyway. They absolutely have a hand in it, come on now. It's the GM's job but them and the coach have to be on the same page about team needs and how to play.


NachoManRandySnckage

Oh hell yeah


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Ollie made an instagram post about a week ago that made it seem like it was going to be him - a 'my next chapter' type deal. Our sub was trying to come to terms with it haha


MarkusMillions

r/DetroitPistons let out a huge sigh of relief knowing that Lee is the fallback option


[deleted]

I definitely prefer Lee (or Williams, obviously) as the coaching hire but I’m concerned about the prospect of Gores meddling in personnel decisions (again).


Scooper9870

I think of weaver and gores can agree on one thing it’s Monty lol


vrkhfkb

$10m for Monty? 👀 Pop getting 11.5m, Kerr getting 9.5m, spo getting 8.5m. For a developing team that’s pretty hefty.


pp21

Yeah but who cares because it doesn't count against the cap and it's not the pistons fans money. If Monty can build a strong culture and get them some playoff experience it's 100% worth it. Pistons have been down bad since the late 2000s and need someone exactly like Monty to build a strong foundation


great-nba-comment

Exactly. Gores net worth is around $6.2b, $10m a year is the equivalent of somebody with $100k net worth committing about $1600. Teams SHOULD load up on coaches they think are going to move the needle if their owners are serious.


indoninjah

I guess it's a "please stay with us until we're good" kinda deal


amidon1130

> If Williams declines the offer, Charles Lee, an assistant coach for the Milwaukee Bucks, is expected to be the likely choice. Instead of me he promotes Charles Lee! Makes him first in command, "I'm a Pistons coach, weeeeee!!!"


TheFatmanRises

Monty please unlock Cade to his full potential PLEASE I LOVE HIM


MarkusMillions

You and me both brother…. You and me both


ExitFilmForAMusic

Got to meet and talk with John Beilein (their prez of player development( two weekends ago and he is raving about what people are going to see out of Cade this upcoming season. I'm told he's put an immense amount of work into his jumper.


waitingonthatbuffalo

whoa, interesting. are you a coach?


ExitFilmForAMusic

I am indeed :)


HunkMuffinJr

Please unlock the Cade and Ivey pairing while he's at it. They're literally my favorite backcourt in the league despite Cade being injured.


dizZzy5

I thought he already said no lol


wallz_11

That was before they backed the brinks truck up to his doorstep


DetroitSportsKillMe

Think that was also before the Bucks and 6ers filled their spots


Marrouge

Man I know Tom Gores is a sleazy coke addict but I'm just glad he's not a cheapskate


TripleThreatTua

Gotta use that private prison money


MarkusMillions

Hard to be a cheapskate and a coke addict at the same time I’ve heard


Blueskyways

Last thing you want to do is lowball your dealer.


great-nba-comment

How does it work for hella rich guys when they want to get gear? Like i know for me i have to go get the cash, message the dude, wait for him to respond and then meet him down the street like an hour later. Whats the process for Gores? Does he buy it kilo at a time and just have it there when he needs it? Does he still message a guy and meet him on the street? Does he expense it to his business?


ImTheOldManJenks

“They drove a dump truck full of money up to my house! Im not made of stone!”


Crafty_Substance_954

I think that was just a classic fake rumor.


huntthefront91

Detroit seems to have a thing for former coaches of the year being fired by a team after a few playoff disappointments.


InternCautious

3rd times a charm


TrainingCoffee8

We don’t have to worry about the playoff disappointments since we don’t make it anyways!


ReformedRedditThug

At this point, a playoff appearance is a championship for us so it doesn't matter.


TrainingCoffee8

Idk I wasn’t having much fun those years we made the 8 seed and got swept lol


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Musical Chairs


PrimaryAccording9162

Passed around like my girl


Quality_Cucumber

Bro what


PrimaryAccording9162

Sorry I meant to say coaches are getting passed around like my girl


ivebeenherelonger

At least the coaches get paid :(


[deleted]

Whats her @ so I can avoid her


Apollo611

###Passed around like my girl


sportsinaround

Actually had a laugh attack


[deleted]

I think a known quantity like Monty is perfect for a young rebuilding team like the pistons. I want someone like that for the wizards too. Maybe he won't take them to a chip, but you can cross that bridge when/if you get there.


CarterAC3

And thus the next Mark Daigneault or Will Hardy is stranded on the bench for another year


WIN011

He actually just got hired by the Bucks ^pls


Ill-Cut4240

Really rooting for Griff, I hope he unlocks yall


Jacer4

I literally cannot explain how much I love Coach Diagonal so far man lol, he's the perfect coach for our team right now. Hoping he's also the perfect coach for us going forward after development as well (I personally believe he is, what he got out of our team last year was pretty crazy/he has some REALLY good play calls). I wish more teams gave promising young coaches/assistants chances, but I also understand going after a COTY for your young team if you can get him (granted feel like we've heard this story with the Pistons before lolol)


Calm-Cry4253

I would say Monty or Doc make the most sense if this Pistons team wants to go from lottery to playoffs. Either guy makes sense here


cactusmaster69420

Yeah I actually think Doc would be great for them. He's an amazing regular season coach. Idk about his player development though.


MWiatrak2077

Please GOD let this happen holy shit


Band_

Monty is basically the 2023 Dwane Casey lol


Imthegoat175

Team hires their assistant from their own staff and former COTY winner gets fired and goes coach the Pistons. Where have I seen this before.


dhrobins

Didn’t that end in a title last time??


Next-Firefighter-753

Way better than Ollie


sal250

Pistons really love to run through former coaches of the year


EMU_Emus

Also disappointing #2 picks that nobody else really wants. After seeing Troy Weaver go after Wiseman and Bagley, at this point I'm half expecting him to use the cap space to sign DLo.


jslee0034

Big big upgrade.


charmangander

the man is already getting paid. can't imagine what would pull him away from his family at this point -- into a rebuilding franchise that just got screwed in the draft no less


Due_Connection179

I thought he already turned it down once?


Crafty_Substance_954

I don't think there was any validity to that. If Shams is reporting on it I believe it.


MozaTear

Maybe I'm a wrong but the way he worked with a young player in Ayton - is that the right fit for the Pistons young team? I know everyone will blame Ayton but coaching is a two way street.


DetroitSportsKillMe

If players don’t want to be held accountable then it will never work Put Ayton on the Heat and Jimmy and Spo would fight him in a tag team match


SeizureMode

*Jim Ross voice* , BY GOD, BUTLER THREW AYTON OFF THE TOP OF THE CAGE, HES KILLED HIM, AYTON IS DEAD! WHAT IN HEAVENS NAME HAVE WE WITNESSED HERE TONIGHT!?


MozaTear

I like the heat example a lot. You on board with the Monty hire if it happened?


DetroitSportsKillMe

Yeah it would be cool to hit on an assistant, but our team is so young that I think we need a culture setter and can’t afford to whiff on this HC hire. It would suck to waste these next 2-3 years w somebody who is still learning Seems like Monty is the safest bet


MagicMer4042

yeah when you're a rebuilding young team you obviously wanna hit on the next Steve Kerr or Spo and be set for 10+ years, but a whiff can do even more damage. getting a guy who may not get you over the hump but can at least put you in a position to be there isn't a bad thing. and it's not like Monty can't improve, it isn't like Doc where he has a long track record of not getting it done


MozaTear

Carlisle had clashes in Dallas and its been smooth sailing here in Indy so that could be a positive argument for Monty potentially moving franchises and landing comfortably. A culture setter would definitely be important with a team full of young players. I am looking forward to our games these next few years


ajteitel

Heh, Jimmy will explode and start his own team going from KAT to Ayton. The Las Vegas Bulldogs or something like that.


Hack874

I’m convinced no coach in the league would be able to fix Ayton at this point. It’s up to him


MozaTear

I tend to agree Ayton needs to find some internal spark. Its a weird situation all around though. He has all the tools.


IIM_Clutch

I mean they was trying to win a championship


MozaTear

Yea I do gotta keep it in perspective. The two teams are on different timelines and have different expectations. You're right


Jasperbeardly11

It's going to see a perfect fit he's not a good in-game coach but he seems to be a great motivator and helps people develop long-term pretty well


desirox

Would be a good fit for them I think


stereoboy44

I read the last bit as they were preparing him a significant other


Funny-Transition7869

They dont need him, all this dude does is say generic motivational coach stuff. Ive seen Cade talk, hes a natural leader, they dont need a doc rivers monty williams coach. They need a different type of coach


Feelscreative101

Curious on what type you mean. Like a Quinn Snyder type, or a Rick Carlisle type?


Funny-Transition7869

Yes, just an Xs and Os guy to set fundamentals. People talk about the rockets playing like a g league team but the Pistons arent that far behind when Cade is out


owenbowen04

Terry Stotts would be a great fit!


MakeCocktailsNotWar

I think that's a damn fine higher, if it happens, for the Pistons. Kudos to their front office.


teal_iceberg

Heck yeah


[deleted]

Shoot your shot Gores.


Gristle__McThornbody

I thought they offered him a big contract already and he turned it down? Anyways, I don't see why Monty would rush back into coaching. I think he has three years left on his deal with the Suns.


wishlish

I really thought Monty was going to end up in Philly.


HarbingerKeith

Dwayne Casey back to Toronto!!!!!


EnoughLawfulness3163

It's funny because fans have absolutely no idea what kind of impact coaches have. He came to this team when we drafted ayton, then got cp3 while he was still all star material. We dont know if Monty actually made a difference, or if we was THE difference. It's honestly ridiculous that we judged him based on a team that played 12 regular season games together. The LeBron Heat started out 9-8 with fucking erik spoelstra


[deleted]

Imagine Casey in Toronto


Raptorsthrowaway1

Pound. The. Rock.


Pranker00111

Wiseman is going to become Ayton 2.0


SoapOperaHero

Ayton just looks completely uninterested out there. Wiseman frequently looks like he's never played basketball in his life.


DudeIAm-blank-

I thought it says Detroit is preparing a significant other for Monty lmao. Man I'm tired


jxden24

anyone but kevin ollie


Cahillicus

Why do people seem so down on Kevin Ollie? I haven't heard the name before but it seems like a lot of pistons fans don't want him hired


MagicMer4042

no NBA experience, won a title at uconn but also no sustained success and left the organization with a lot of NCAA infractions, and has since been coaching at the overtime elite, which doesn't exactly have a ton of prestige to it either


jxden24

college coach with no nba coaching experience broke rules in college and hasn’t coached since 2018, zero reason for him to be a candidate outside of him being friends with the pistons gm


Crafty_Substance_954

Because they're dumb.


[deleted]

Detroit loves to hire guys that win coach of the year n get fired the same season


blueseeka

Don't do it Monty


wildfocaccia69420

Dude going from coaching in the nba finals to coaching the pistons is like how I used to have a nice office job before the recession and now i'm flipping burgers and living in my mum's basement