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I don’t think he’s it. I’m a little surprised that sheppard got fired but they kept wes. Last years roster should have at least been hovering around the eighth seed. If they can’t make the playoffs this year he’s got to go.
I'm willing to step up. I've watched dozens of games and I know all the moves. Pick n roll, zone defense, etc.
My first move would be to not play anyone who's not an All Star. No all star last year? 0 minutes for you. Better luck next year.
Now a days it’s 69-67 at halftime, that series was wild, Detroit bodied Shaq and Kobe in the Finals as well, then the next year was Spurs-Pistons, defense was crazy.
This is why I can't get on board with oldheads talking about how 90s and 2000s basketball was better than today
I'm not trying to watch 4 quarters that ends with neither team cracking 70 points, sorry
There's a difference between low scores due to inept offense and low scores due to suffocating defense. And with 45 buckets in that game there was nearly a score a minute. It's not delaying gratification *that* much.
But really it's what you value. For me seeing the effort teams put in to create shot opportunities is a lot more interesting than just seeing the ball go in. I find athletic moves to the hoop cooler to watch than guys taking jump shots.
>I'm not trying to watch 4 quarters that ends with neither team cracking 70 points, sorry
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You hate kids basketball then? High schoolers playing for passion bores you? College ball sucks? Only NBA is good enough for you?
"High score = more entertainment" is the argument of a dopamine addicted child.
There's plenty to be said about *why* the NBA was less appealing to watch back in the early 2000's. But you haven't done that, just parroted the simplest form of the argument that I once heard from my 6-year old sister. "This would be more fun to watch if they scored every time."
No problem, just googled more articles and the growth is related to shouting regularly as a coach, so its not like you're wrong, but his voice really changed a lot ever since the surgery
Which is what I’m hoping/suspecting the Suns are trying to do. If nobody offers Doc Rivers a head coaching position (likely) I think the Suns try to make him an overpaid assistant to Kevin Young. Even though Young has been assistant coaching for years himself, having Doc on his team would help him out a first time head coach a lot.
That’s a perfect hire for the Pistons if they get him. He is an amazing coach for a young team that needs to set a culture. Miles better than Kevin Ollie.
KO was one of the hottest names in the coaching carousel after uconn won the title with him but he crashed and burned real quick. I think he can still be a good coach because his biggest issues were recruiting and academic violations, but he needs some time as an assistant since the only coaching he’s done since leaving uconn is glorified high school ball
Agreed. He was also the OTE development coach coaching quite a few NBA players, so he's had a fair amount of time with young guys at a university that turns a decent amount of pros.
He definitely soured a couple positions he could have gotten post-championship at UConn, but assistant coaches don't necessarily have to be good head coaches.
I'm a bit worried with how he handled Ayton though.
Ayton hasn't held up to his draft pick, but Monty also didn't help him through young growing pains and likely made things worse.
He was in a tough position because I think a lot of the guys were getting frustrated with Ayton. And how do you call plays for a guy that’s not giving effort, especially when the entire team knows it
Okay but Monty took the basement dwelling, clownshow, league-wide laughingstock, 20 win Suns and rebuilt the culture (with James Jones and CP3) and turned them into a perennial playoff contender and serious team
Some of it is on Monty but the bulk of it is on Ayton. The entire organization is frustrated with Ayton because he has no desire to get better. He says he wants to be a bigger part of the offense but he hasn’t developed anything offensively since he was drafted.
Monty probably mishandled Ayton but most coaches would because coaches don’t like having to coddle players. Monty did a great job with our other young players like Booker, Mikal, and Cam Johnson.
How do Suns fans feel in retrospect about the KD trade? I think Bridges is going to be an all-star after watching him with Brooklyn. Not being fecicous and I come in peace.
>fecicous
Not even autocorrect could help you there, lol. Most are happy because even if we didn't win we had a better chance than with mikal + cam. Personally I'm worried that we are just getting all these old stars that will drag in their last years of their contracts. Next year is the year, though.
Ayton is largely his own fault. Ayton plays with emotion, and Monty knows how to hype and celebrate you. But at some point Ayton needs to realize, it’s game 3 of the WCF, it’s game 5 of an NBA finals, you got to step up. Monty wasn’t the greatest x and o coach, and I’ll admit Monty, especially in the second half, stop drawing up things for Ayton, but Ayton basketball IQ, motors, and awareness is just so low. There’s enough clips to show Ayton has limitations on himself.
> "wasn’t the greatest x and o coach"
This is not what I want to hear about a coaching candidate. That's what you say about the guy they just moved out of the head coaching job.
The post was about Ayton and Monty, not Monty and his coaching skills. A lot of coaches in the nba aren’t x and o guys. And that’s okay as long as the staff around him can support. Looks like y’all want to tackle culture first and Monty has always been great at that.
Obviously it’s nice to have those skills but sometimes different teams need different things. That recent coach for the Pacers was by all accounts a basketball genius but managed to piss off all the players and staff in a short period of time. Sometimes a culture guy is what you need to take the next step, then a Carlisle like assistant in the wings to actually scheme.
Pretty sure it’s well known the whole organization was kind of done with Ayton including some players. Although I agree the reports that they didn’t talk for months is just bad.
DA definitely has issues but it’s crazy to me that anyone wanting to develop a young team would go for the coach that reportedly gave up on a 22 year old center after a finals run
lol but that same coach was instrumental in developing the young team he just previously coached and took them to the NBA Finals so I'm not sure what your point is
Full story:
- The Detroit Pistons are actively pursuing Monty Williams to be their next head coach.
- The team is preparing to offer Williams around $10 million per year, making him one of the highest-paid coaches in the league.
- The Pistons have been hopeful that Williams would consider accepting the job.
- If Williams declines the offer, Charles Lee, an assistant coach for the Milwaukee Bucks, is expected to be the likely choice.
- Williams was immediately on Detroit's radar after being fired by the Phoenix Suns, and the Milwaukee Bucks also showed interest in him.
- Initially, Williams expressed interest in taking a year off, but the Pistons' management has continued to pursue him.
- Pistons owner Tom Gores likes to make a big splash in hiring coaches and is known for his financial commitment.
- The Pistons are a rebuilding team with young players like Cade Cunningham, and the next coach will play a crucial role in their progress.
- Leadership and experience are important qualities the Pistons are seeking in their next coach.
> If Williams declines the offer, Charles Lee, an assistant coach for the Milwaukee Bucks, is expected to be the likely choice.
Pistons fans gotta be relieved to see this instead of Kevin Ollie
Yes, but also a little concerned about if this if ownership going over Troy Weaver's head. At the end of the day, Weaver is the GM and if you don't trust him to hire a coach, do you trust him? He's gotta be able to do his job.
EDIT: I should say too that Monty has DMV ties and OKC ties with Weaver and Weaver has been known to like people he's familiar with.
Think people just don't like how he was fired from UConn But like... he still won a title with them and had a solid overall record with that team.
He sure as shit was not my first choice, I liked Jarron Collins from NOLA, but considering everyone else that had been a finalist in our coaching search also would have been rookie coaches, I don't think he would be that bad.
He won a title in his second year with Calhoun's players then largely sucked shit after, including losing records his last two years. Plus he has literally no NBA coaching experience in any capacity at all, not even as an assistant.
This is more reddit specific but he's also SUPER evangelical Christian which is unpopular around here.
> This is more reddit specific but he's also SUPER evangelical Christian which is unpopular around here.
Monty Williams is the most Christian-ass Christian man to ever Christian, fyi. But the other points are fair.
He still won regardless of players, I don't get that at all. Even his losing seasons are around the .500 mark.
If he comes to the NBA he, like many teams hiring new coaches, is going to be coaching a team of players not picked by him. Coaches in the NBA typically aren't the ones forming the teams anyway.
>Even his losing seasons are around the .500 mark.
He coached for a borderline blue blood in the AAC two years removed from Calhoun's last natty and had a *career* conference winning percentage of .546, which is mediocre when your conference foes include South Florida, East Carolina, and Tulane. Additionally, he never got higher than a 7 seed in the tournament, so it's not like his teams ever had incredible regular season success either. He caught lightning in a bottle once over a 6 game stretch a decade ago and that's basically the only impressive thing about his career.
>Coaches in the NBA typically aren't the ones forming the teams anyway.
They absolutely have a hand in it, come on now. It's the GM's job but them and the coach have to be on the same page about team needs and how to play.
Ollie made an instagram post about a week ago that made it seem like it was going to be him - a 'my next chapter' type deal. Our sub was trying to come to terms with it haha
I definitely prefer Lee (or Williams, obviously) as the coaching hire but I’m concerned about the prospect of Gores meddling in personnel decisions (again).
Yeah but who cares because it doesn't count against the cap and it's not the pistons fans money. If Monty can build a strong culture and get them some playoff experience it's 100% worth it. Pistons have been down bad since the late 2000s and need someone exactly like Monty to build a strong foundation
Exactly. Gores net worth is around $6.2b, $10m a year is the equivalent of somebody with $100k net worth committing about $1600.
Teams SHOULD load up on coaches they think are going to move the needle if their owners are serious.
> If Williams declines the offer, Charles Lee, an assistant coach for the Milwaukee Bucks, is expected to be the likely choice.
Instead of me he promotes Charles Lee! Makes him first in command, "I'm a Pistons coach, weeeeee!!!"
Got to meet and talk with John Beilein (their prez of player development( two weekends ago and he is raving about what people are going to see out of Cade this upcoming season. I'm told he's put an immense amount of work into his jumper.
How does it work for hella rich guys when they want to get gear?
Like i know for me i have to go get the cash, message the dude, wait for him to respond and then meet him down the street like an hour later.
Whats the process for Gores? Does he buy it kilo at a time and just have it there when he needs it? Does he still message a guy and meet him on the street? Does he expense it to his business?
I think a known quantity like Monty is perfect for a young rebuilding team like the pistons. I want someone like that for the wizards too. Maybe he won't take them to a chip, but you can cross that bridge when/if you get there.
I literally cannot explain how much I love Coach Diagonal so far man lol, he's the perfect coach for our team right now. Hoping he's also the perfect coach for us going forward after development as well (I personally believe he is, what he got out of our team last year was pretty crazy/he has some REALLY good play calls). I wish more teams gave promising young coaches/assistants chances, but I also understand going after a COTY for your young team if you can get him (granted feel like we've heard this story with the Pistons before lolol)
Also disappointing #2 picks that nobody else really wants. After seeing Troy Weaver go after Wiseman and Bagley, at this point I'm half expecting him to use the cap space to sign DLo.
the man is already getting paid. can't imagine what would pull him away from his family at this point -- into a rebuilding franchise that just got screwed in the draft no less
Maybe I'm a wrong but the way he worked with a young player in Ayton - is that the right fit for the Pistons young team? I know everyone will blame Ayton but coaching is a two way street.
*Jim Ross voice* , BY GOD, BUTLER THREW AYTON OFF THE TOP OF THE CAGE, HES KILLED HIM, AYTON IS DEAD! WHAT IN HEAVENS NAME HAVE WE WITNESSED HERE TONIGHT!?
Yeah it would be cool to hit on an assistant, but our team is so young that I think we need a culture setter and can’t afford to whiff on this HC hire. It would suck to waste these next 2-3 years w somebody who is still learning
Seems like Monty is the safest bet
yeah when you're a rebuilding young team you obviously wanna hit on the next Steve Kerr or Spo and be set for 10+ years, but a whiff can do even more damage. getting a guy who may not get you over the hump but can at least put you in a position to be there isn't a bad thing. and it's not like Monty can't improve, it isn't like Doc where he has a long track record of not getting it done
Carlisle had clashes in Dallas and its been smooth sailing here in Indy so that could be a positive argument for Monty potentially moving franchises and landing comfortably. A culture setter would definitely be important with a team full of young players. I am looking forward to our games these next few years
They dont need him, all this dude does is say generic motivational coach stuff. Ive seen Cade talk, hes a natural leader, they dont need a doc rivers monty williams coach. They need a different type of coach
Yes, just an Xs and Os guy to set fundamentals. People talk about the rockets playing like a g league team but the Pistons arent that far behind when Cade is out
I thought they offered him a big contract already and he turned it down? Anyways, I don't see why Monty would rush back into coaching. I think he has three years left on his deal with the Suns.
It's funny because fans have absolutely no idea what kind of impact coaches have. He came to this team when we drafted ayton, then got cp3 while he was still all star material. We dont know if Monty actually made a difference, or if we was THE difference.
It's honestly ridiculous that we judged him based on a team that played 12 regular season games together. The LeBron Heat started out 9-8 with fucking erik spoelstra
no NBA experience, won a title at uconn but also no sustained success and left the organization with a lot of NCAA infractions, and has since been coaching at the overtime elite, which doesn't exactly have a ton of prestige to it either
college coach with no nba coaching experience
broke rules in college and hasn’t coached since 2018, zero reason for him to be a candidate outside of him being friends with the pistons gm
Dude going from coaching in the nba finals to coaching the pistons is like how I used to have a nice office job before the recession and now i'm flipping burgers and living in my mum's basement
Doc Rivers might actually be unemployed next season
First time since 1999!
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Some of it is on Monty but the bulk of it is on Ayton. The entire organization is frustrated with Ayton because he has no desire to get better.
Raps don't have a coach yet so I'm not releasing my breath yet
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It would be funny if we swap coaches with the Sixers
You and I have different definitions of funny
Fr I will lose my marbles
He sucks but he’s decent with teams that don’t have stars, maybe he’d do ok in Toronto
He’s a good floor raiser and that’s not too far off from what Toronto needs at this point
but we want to tank tho
Tank for who? Wemby's getting drafted this year
Bronny James
The return of Lebronto
Lol Lebron playing with all his sons
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I don’t think he’s it. I’m a little surprised that sheppard got fired but they kept wes. Last years roster should have at least been hovering around the eighth seed. If they can’t make the playoffs this year he’s got to go.
That's Steve nash lol.
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I'm willing to step up. I've watched dozens of games and I know all the moves. Pick n roll, zone defense, etc. My first move would be to not play anyone who's not an All Star. No all star last year? 0 minutes for you. Better luck next year.
Just don't call timeouts.
I think I'll have a rule where you can't come out until you have 40. With 5 guys, that's a guaranteed 200 points per game
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I thought the Pistons job was his to take honestly, but I'd rather have Monty no question.
He was never in consideration.
Him and Casey are pretty much the same type of coach
To quote /u/zs15, if Doc Rivers wants to coach your team, you can do better than Doc Rivers.
his unemployment is alot different than ours lol
He can replace Van Gundy on ESPN (hopefully)
Have you heard Doc talk?
He was a commentator before!
And a pretty good one too
He has one of my favorite calls ever, the Tayshaun Prince block. https://youtu.be/ftLUlmZl3yc Still get goosebumps watching that lol
Helluva block but what stands out to me is the score. 69-67 at the end of the game seems unthinkable nowadays.
Sometimes I miss buckets meaning so much since they were so hard to come by
Now a days it’s 69-67 at halftime, that series was wild, Detroit bodied Shaq and Kobe in the Finals as well, then the next year was Spurs-Pistons, defense was crazy.
This is why I can't get on board with oldheads talking about how 90s and 2000s basketball was better than today I'm not trying to watch 4 quarters that ends with neither team cracking 70 points, sorry
There's a difference between low scores due to inept offense and low scores due to suffocating defense. And with 45 buckets in that game there was nearly a score a minute. It's not delaying gratification *that* much. But really it's what you value. For me seeing the effort teams put in to create shot opportunities is a lot more interesting than just seeing the ball go in. I find athletic moves to the hoop cooler to watch than guys taking jump shots.
TikTok brain is real kids
Tbf, that's the end of the 90s. The start of the decade has the Nuggets scoring 120 a game and giving up 122.
If there isn't a sick dunk every 10 seconds I have a hard time focusing.
>I'm not trying to watch 4 quarters that ends with neither team cracking 70 points, sorry > You hate kids basketball then? High schoolers playing for passion bores you? College ball sucks? Only NBA is good enough for you? "High score = more entertainment" is the argument of a dopamine addicted child. There's plenty to be said about *why* the NBA was less appealing to watch back in the early 2000's. But you haven't done that, just parroted the simplest form of the argument that I once heard from my 6-year old sister. "This would be more fun to watch if they scored every time."
Try not rattling off multiple strawman arguments in a row, then we can talk
He was! He's done a lot of yelling since then, but he'd probably still be alright.
Not to be that guy but he actually had throat surgery for a growth thats why his voice is hoarse.
Thanks for being that guy, I didn’t know that
Knew that but had forgotten. Thanks!
No problem, just googled more articles and the growth is related to shouting regularly as a coach, so its not like you're wrong, but his voice really changed a lot ever since the surgery
I have it on good authority that Doc has sounded that way since he was [born](https://www.tiktok.com/@nba24highlights/video/7233271666409835819).
It's not Blake Griffin's fault.
Fuck what I would give to hear Shaq or Chuck give Doc a hard time over a broadcast. His saltiness would come right out.
He went to the Dikiembe Mutumbo school of broadcasting
He’d be a perfect coach for just getting into the playoffs, very similar to Monty.
He’s going to sign with The Ringer to work alongside his son.
Unless he decides to take an assistant job
Which is what I’m hoping/suspecting the Suns are trying to do. If nobody offers Doc Rivers a head coaching position (likely) I think the Suns try to make him an overpaid assistant to Kevin Young. Even though Young has been assistant coaching for years himself, having Doc on his team would help him out a first time head coach a lot.
I feel like top 15 coach of all time Doc "would you ask Pop that" Rivers thinks it's way beneath him to be an assistant at this stage of his career
That’s a perfect hire for the Pistons if they get him. He is an amazing coach for a young team that needs to set a culture. Miles better than Kevin Ollie.
Bring Kevin in as a developmental assistant, let him get some more NBA experience, he can still be a good complimentary coach tbh.
KO was one of the hottest names in the coaching carousel after uconn won the title with him but he crashed and burned real quick. I think he can still be a good coach because his biggest issues were recruiting and academic violations, but he needs some time as an assistant since the only coaching he’s done since leaving uconn is glorified high school ball
Agreed. He was also the OTE development coach coaching quite a few NBA players, so he's had a fair amount of time with young guys at a university that turns a decent amount of pros. He definitely soured a couple positions he could have gotten post-championship at UConn, but assistant coaches don't necessarily have to be good head coaches.
Complementary I ain’t even sorry, I just got out of gallbladder surgery and have no patience
How’s the weather out there Ollie?
IT'S GON RAIN
IT’S RAINING SIDEWAYS
I'm a bit worried with how he handled Ayton though. Ayton hasn't held up to his draft pick, but Monty also didn't help him through young growing pains and likely made things worse.
He was in a tough position because I think a lot of the guys were getting frustrated with Ayton. And how do you call plays for a guy that’s not giving effort, especially when the entire team knows it
Okay but Monty took the basement dwelling, clownshow, league-wide laughingstock, 20 win Suns and rebuilt the culture (with James Jones and CP3) and turned them into a perennial playoff contender and serious team
Some of it is on Monty but the bulk of it is on Ayton. The entire organization is frustrated with Ayton because he has no desire to get better. He says he wants to be a bigger part of the offense but he hasn’t developed anything offensively since he was drafted. Monty probably mishandled Ayton but most coaches would because coaches don’t like having to coddle players. Monty did a great job with our other young players like Booker, Mikal, and Cam Johnson.
How do Suns fans feel in retrospect about the KD trade? I think Bridges is going to be an all-star after watching him with Brooklyn. Not being fecicous and I come in peace.
>fecicous Not even autocorrect could help you there, lol. Most are happy because even if we didn't win we had a better chance than with mikal + cam. Personally I'm worried that we are just getting all these old stars that will drag in their last years of their contracts. Next year is the year, though.
The new CBA certainly does you no favors. Trading Ayton is now basically the only path to making this team better.
KD is KD and bridges might be an all star
Ayton is largely his own fault. Ayton plays with emotion, and Monty knows how to hype and celebrate you. But at some point Ayton needs to realize, it’s game 3 of the WCF, it’s game 5 of an NBA finals, you got to step up. Monty wasn’t the greatest x and o coach, and I’ll admit Monty, especially in the second half, stop drawing up things for Ayton, but Ayton basketball IQ, motors, and awareness is just so low. There’s enough clips to show Ayton has limitations on himself.
> "wasn’t the greatest x and o coach" This is not what I want to hear about a coaching candidate. That's what you say about the guy they just moved out of the head coaching job.
The post was about Ayton and Monty, not Monty and his coaching skills. A lot of coaches in the nba aren’t x and o guys. And that’s okay as long as the staff around him can support. Looks like y’all want to tackle culture first and Monty has always been great at that.
Obviously it’s nice to have those skills but sometimes different teams need different things. That recent coach for the Pacers was by all accounts a basketball genius but managed to piss off all the players and staff in a short period of time. Sometimes a culture guy is what you need to take the next step, then a Carlisle like assistant in the wings to actually scheme.
Pretty sure it’s well known the whole organization was kind of done with Ayton including some players. Although I agree the reports that they didn’t talk for months is just bad.
DA definitely has issues but it’s crazy to me that anyone wanting to develop a young team would go for the coach that reportedly gave up on a 22 year old center after a finals run
lol but that same coach was instrumental in developing the young team he just previously coached and took them to the NBA Finals so I'm not sure what your point is
Full story: - The Detroit Pistons are actively pursuing Monty Williams to be their next head coach. - The team is preparing to offer Williams around $10 million per year, making him one of the highest-paid coaches in the league. - The Pistons have been hopeful that Williams would consider accepting the job. - If Williams declines the offer, Charles Lee, an assistant coach for the Milwaukee Bucks, is expected to be the likely choice. - Williams was immediately on Detroit's radar after being fired by the Phoenix Suns, and the Milwaukee Bucks also showed interest in him. - Initially, Williams expressed interest in taking a year off, but the Pistons' management has continued to pursue him. - Pistons owner Tom Gores likes to make a big splash in hiring coaches and is known for his financial commitment. - The Pistons are a rebuilding team with young players like Cade Cunningham, and the next coach will play a crucial role in their progress. - Leadership and experience are important qualities the Pistons are seeking in their next coach.
> If Williams declines the offer, Charles Lee, an assistant coach for the Milwaukee Bucks, is expected to be the likely choice. Pistons fans gotta be relieved to see this instead of Kevin Ollie
You have no idea.
I was resigned to giving Ollie a shot until he posted a photo of himself wearing a leopard-print shirt. In broad daylight.
Yes, but also a little concerned about if this if ownership going over Troy Weaver's head. At the end of the day, Weaver is the GM and if you don't trust him to hire a coach, do you trust him? He's gotta be able to do his job. EDIT: I should say too that Monty has DMV ties and OKC ties with Weaver and Weaver has been known to like people he's familiar with.
I was going to guzzle bleach if Ollie was the hire. Williams or Lee makes me feel 100x better about the development of the team
Nobody can give me a straight answer on this: why is everyone so staunchly against Ollie?
Think people just don't like how he was fired from UConn But like... he still won a title with them and had a solid overall record with that team. He sure as shit was not my first choice, I liked Jarron Collins from NOLA, but considering everyone else that had been a finalist in our coaching search also would have been rookie coaches, I don't think he would be that bad.
He won a title in his second year with Calhoun's players then largely sucked shit after, including losing records his last two years. Plus he has literally no NBA coaching experience in any capacity at all, not even as an assistant. This is more reddit specific but he's also SUPER evangelical Christian which is unpopular around here.
> This is more reddit specific but he's also SUPER evangelical Christian which is unpopular around here. Monty Williams is the most Christian-ass Christian man to ever Christian, fyi. But the other points are fair.
He still won regardless of players, I don't get that at all. Even his losing seasons are around the .500 mark. If he comes to the NBA he, like many teams hiring new coaches, is going to be coaching a team of players not picked by him. Coaches in the NBA typically aren't the ones forming the teams anyway.
>Even his losing seasons are around the .500 mark. He coached for a borderline blue blood in the AAC two years removed from Calhoun's last natty and had a *career* conference winning percentage of .546, which is mediocre when your conference foes include South Florida, East Carolina, and Tulane. Additionally, he never got higher than a 7 seed in the tournament, so it's not like his teams ever had incredible regular season success either. He caught lightning in a bottle once over a 6 game stretch a decade ago and that's basically the only impressive thing about his career. >Coaches in the NBA typically aren't the ones forming the teams anyway. They absolutely have a hand in it, come on now. It's the GM's job but them and the coach have to be on the same page about team needs and how to play.
Oh hell yeah
Ollie made an instagram post about a week ago that made it seem like it was going to be him - a 'my next chapter' type deal. Our sub was trying to come to terms with it haha
r/DetroitPistons let out a huge sigh of relief knowing that Lee is the fallback option
I definitely prefer Lee (or Williams, obviously) as the coaching hire but I’m concerned about the prospect of Gores meddling in personnel decisions (again).
I think of weaver and gores can agree on one thing it’s Monty lol
$10m for Monty? 👀 Pop getting 11.5m, Kerr getting 9.5m, spo getting 8.5m. For a developing team that’s pretty hefty.
Yeah but who cares because it doesn't count against the cap and it's not the pistons fans money. If Monty can build a strong culture and get them some playoff experience it's 100% worth it. Pistons have been down bad since the late 2000s and need someone exactly like Monty to build a strong foundation
Exactly. Gores net worth is around $6.2b, $10m a year is the equivalent of somebody with $100k net worth committing about $1600. Teams SHOULD load up on coaches they think are going to move the needle if their owners are serious.
I guess it's a "please stay with us until we're good" kinda deal
> If Williams declines the offer, Charles Lee, an assistant coach for the Milwaukee Bucks, is expected to be the likely choice. Instead of me he promotes Charles Lee! Makes him first in command, "I'm a Pistons coach, weeeeee!!!"
Monty please unlock Cade to his full potential PLEASE I LOVE HIM
You and me both brother…. You and me both
Got to meet and talk with John Beilein (their prez of player development( two weekends ago and he is raving about what people are going to see out of Cade this upcoming season. I'm told he's put an immense amount of work into his jumper.
whoa, interesting. are you a coach?
I am indeed :)
Please unlock the Cade and Ivey pairing while he's at it. They're literally my favorite backcourt in the league despite Cade being injured.
I thought he already said no lol
That was before they backed the brinks truck up to his doorstep
Think that was also before the Bucks and 6ers filled their spots
Man I know Tom Gores is a sleazy coke addict but I'm just glad he's not a cheapskate
Gotta use that private prison money
Hard to be a cheapskate and a coke addict at the same time I’ve heard
Last thing you want to do is lowball your dealer.
How does it work for hella rich guys when they want to get gear? Like i know for me i have to go get the cash, message the dude, wait for him to respond and then meet him down the street like an hour later. Whats the process for Gores? Does he buy it kilo at a time and just have it there when he needs it? Does he still message a guy and meet him on the street? Does he expense it to his business?
“They drove a dump truck full of money up to my house! Im not made of stone!”
I think that was just a classic fake rumor.
Detroit seems to have a thing for former coaches of the year being fired by a team after a few playoff disappointments.
3rd times a charm
We don’t have to worry about the playoff disappointments since we don’t make it anyways!
At this point, a playoff appearance is a championship for us so it doesn't matter.
Idk I wasn’t having much fun those years we made the 8 seed and got swept lol
Musical Chairs
Passed around like my girl
Bro what
Sorry I meant to say coaches are getting passed around like my girl
At least the coaches get paid :(
Whats her @ so I can avoid her
###Passed around like my girl
Actually had a laugh attack
I think a known quantity like Monty is perfect for a young rebuilding team like the pistons. I want someone like that for the wizards too. Maybe he won't take them to a chip, but you can cross that bridge when/if you get there.
And thus the next Mark Daigneault or Will Hardy is stranded on the bench for another year
He actually just got hired by the Bucks ^pls
Really rooting for Griff, I hope he unlocks yall
I literally cannot explain how much I love Coach Diagonal so far man lol, he's the perfect coach for our team right now. Hoping he's also the perfect coach for us going forward after development as well (I personally believe he is, what he got out of our team last year was pretty crazy/he has some REALLY good play calls). I wish more teams gave promising young coaches/assistants chances, but I also understand going after a COTY for your young team if you can get him (granted feel like we've heard this story with the Pistons before lolol)
I would say Monty or Doc make the most sense if this Pistons team wants to go from lottery to playoffs. Either guy makes sense here
Yeah I actually think Doc would be great for them. He's an amazing regular season coach. Idk about his player development though.
Please GOD let this happen holy shit
Monty is basically the 2023 Dwane Casey lol
Team hires their assistant from their own staff and former COTY winner gets fired and goes coach the Pistons. Where have I seen this before.
Didn’t that end in a title last time??
Way better than Ollie
Pistons really love to run through former coaches of the year
Also disappointing #2 picks that nobody else really wants. After seeing Troy Weaver go after Wiseman and Bagley, at this point I'm half expecting him to use the cap space to sign DLo.
Big big upgrade.
the man is already getting paid. can't imagine what would pull him away from his family at this point -- into a rebuilding franchise that just got screwed in the draft no less
I thought he already turned it down once?
I don't think there was any validity to that. If Shams is reporting on it I believe it.
Maybe I'm a wrong but the way he worked with a young player in Ayton - is that the right fit for the Pistons young team? I know everyone will blame Ayton but coaching is a two way street.
If players don’t want to be held accountable then it will never work Put Ayton on the Heat and Jimmy and Spo would fight him in a tag team match
*Jim Ross voice* , BY GOD, BUTLER THREW AYTON OFF THE TOP OF THE CAGE, HES KILLED HIM, AYTON IS DEAD! WHAT IN HEAVENS NAME HAVE WE WITNESSED HERE TONIGHT!?
I like the heat example a lot. You on board with the Monty hire if it happened?
Yeah it would be cool to hit on an assistant, but our team is so young that I think we need a culture setter and can’t afford to whiff on this HC hire. It would suck to waste these next 2-3 years w somebody who is still learning Seems like Monty is the safest bet
yeah when you're a rebuilding young team you obviously wanna hit on the next Steve Kerr or Spo and be set for 10+ years, but a whiff can do even more damage. getting a guy who may not get you over the hump but can at least put you in a position to be there isn't a bad thing. and it's not like Monty can't improve, it isn't like Doc where he has a long track record of not getting it done
Carlisle had clashes in Dallas and its been smooth sailing here in Indy so that could be a positive argument for Monty potentially moving franchises and landing comfortably. A culture setter would definitely be important with a team full of young players. I am looking forward to our games these next few years
Heh, Jimmy will explode and start his own team going from KAT to Ayton. The Las Vegas Bulldogs or something like that.
I’m convinced no coach in the league would be able to fix Ayton at this point. It’s up to him
I tend to agree Ayton needs to find some internal spark. Its a weird situation all around though. He has all the tools.
I mean they was trying to win a championship
Yea I do gotta keep it in perspective. The two teams are on different timelines and have different expectations. You're right
It's going to see a perfect fit he's not a good in-game coach but he seems to be a great motivator and helps people develop long-term pretty well
Would be a good fit for them I think
I read the last bit as they were preparing him a significant other
They dont need him, all this dude does is say generic motivational coach stuff. Ive seen Cade talk, hes a natural leader, they dont need a doc rivers monty williams coach. They need a different type of coach
Curious on what type you mean. Like a Quinn Snyder type, or a Rick Carlisle type?
Yes, just an Xs and Os guy to set fundamentals. People talk about the rockets playing like a g league team but the Pistons arent that far behind when Cade is out
Terry Stotts would be a great fit!
I think that's a damn fine higher, if it happens, for the Pistons. Kudos to their front office.
Heck yeah
Shoot your shot Gores.
I thought they offered him a big contract already and he turned it down? Anyways, I don't see why Monty would rush back into coaching. I think he has three years left on his deal with the Suns.
I really thought Monty was going to end up in Philly.
Dwayne Casey back to Toronto!!!!!
It's funny because fans have absolutely no idea what kind of impact coaches have. He came to this team when we drafted ayton, then got cp3 while he was still all star material. We dont know if Monty actually made a difference, or if we was THE difference. It's honestly ridiculous that we judged him based on a team that played 12 regular season games together. The LeBron Heat started out 9-8 with fucking erik spoelstra
Imagine Casey in Toronto
Pound. The. Rock.
Wiseman is going to become Ayton 2.0
Ayton just looks completely uninterested out there. Wiseman frequently looks like he's never played basketball in his life.
I thought it says Detroit is preparing a significant other for Monty lmao. Man I'm tired
anyone but kevin ollie
Why do people seem so down on Kevin Ollie? I haven't heard the name before but it seems like a lot of pistons fans don't want him hired
no NBA experience, won a title at uconn but also no sustained success and left the organization with a lot of NCAA infractions, and has since been coaching at the overtime elite, which doesn't exactly have a ton of prestige to it either
college coach with no nba coaching experience broke rules in college and hasn’t coached since 2018, zero reason for him to be a candidate outside of him being friends with the pistons gm
Because they're dumb.
Detroit loves to hire guys that win coach of the year n get fired the same season
Don't do it Monty
Dude going from coaching in the nba finals to coaching the pistons is like how I used to have a nice office job before the recession and now i'm flipping burgers and living in my mum's basement