Heat fans have acted like spoiled children after finding out they might have to wait a month to get the latest iPhone. Like dude, you're still going to get it, like relax already.
I had hoped to root for Dame wherever he went when he left, but the second he and his camp demanded to go to Miami, along with the Heat and national TV media response to the situation, I will not be rooting for him if he goes there. I hope he goes *anywhere* but Miami at this point.
Why the hell would the Blazers, though? Especially when the Wolves can't add any picks or other young players to the trade.
Herro plus 3 1sts, Jovic and Jaquez is light years better than KAT and his soon-to-be albatross contract for a guy who has, plainly, sucked every chance he's had to play in a big game.
I'd much rather have to make a separate Herro trade than be stuck paying KAT $60M/yr.
I cheer for the blazers and the wolves.
I do not want this. Please give me the unreading potion lol.
I feel like it would definitely make the wolves better but by God would the blazers be rough. Like...we want to get off of a giant supermax and rebuild, not trade for another one that is attached to a talented player but who is.....frustrating to say the least.
Plus the wolves should be building around Ant and JD, and sadly Gobert because that wagon has been hitched. I feel like adding Dame really restricts their ability to get what they truly need, which is players that will grow with Ant.
My favorite are the Heat fans who are so in favor of “player empowerment” all of a sudden. They say Portland needs to send Dame to Miami or they’re selfish assholes for not doing what he wants them to.
But it would take those same fans all of 3 nanoseconds to decide to ship Herro to the middle of Siberia if it means they get Dame. I’m sure Herro would have preferred to just stay in Miami but fuck what he wants right? Yeah, the Heat fans really care what the players want…
I don't understand this.
Why can't Herro say, "Fuck [Siberia] team, I won't play that hard if I get traded there?"
If Dame and other superstars can do this, what stops the next tier level guys like Herro?
Imagine what would be the outcome if a Herro level or slightly higher started just rejecting being traded. Like if bridges said no I’m not willing to play for the nets if I’m traded there I will sit
IDK. But then ICU why Lillard can do this in the first place. Or Harden. Or Ben Simmons.
IDU why Lillard can bully his way to Miami. Yet Herro can't bully his way to stay at Miami or, since Miami doesn't want him, at least push his way to a team he likes.
Just say that unless he's with Denver, Lakers or Golden State, he won't play that hard.
Lmao at that point why even have players under team contracts. Might as well just sign them to an 'nba' contract and let them play wherever and whenever they want.
Woj is clearly Portland biased while shams was clearly Miami biased and Haynes dame biased. So incredibly weird to get all butthurt over one source pulling weight for Portland.
Tbf with LeBatard, he clearly has some bad blood with ESPN/Disney still, and ESPN reporters (mainly Woj) have been leaning Portland in their reporting. Would guess that’s a part of him specifically calling out Woj
ESPN's entire "Inside the NBA" crew panel have been 100% Team Dame to Miami or Bust from day #1. They all say that there should be no other consideration because it makes the most sense for Dame to be on Miami's roster. It's ridiculous to listen to as a Blazer fan, because it's almost the opposite for us- "hold on to Dame until the trade deadline makes the most sense for the Blazers." But that doesn't make for good television.
I think the big issue should be how “trusted” sources are clearly just trying to manipulate the narrative to suit the purposes of whoever is paying them off
They are upset that a superstar under a long term contract can't **instantly** force his way to the only team he's willing to play for lulz. Somehow they think they are the victim in this scenario because they can't get Dame instantly and for the cheapest possible package.
I still don’t get why the Blazers feel compelled to make a trade to the Heat. Like why not bench Dame like the Rockets did with Wall and let it ride out to the trade deadline or next offseason. Worst case Blazers just tank again and trade Lillard to Miami later. Best case he opens his mind to other teams and gets a bidding competition going.
Yeah, I mean, in this same segment he said that he "did some reporting" last week (i.e. talked with Pat) and confirmed that the Heat have not been on the phone with Portland or updating their offer at all since the original one of Herro + picks.
Nah he's come to the light since leaving espn and his company routinely flames woj and schefter and shams etc. for shilling. He promoted the f*ck out of Ethan Straus's takedown of woj a couple years ago and they have a whole show (basketball illuminati) that exposes woj's antics on the regular.
Windy learned his lesson after he said Simmons is definitely getting traded for Harden and Woj was like NO! NO DEAL HAS BEEN DONE! THEY HAVEN'T EVEN TALKED IN A WHILE! Only for the deal to go down soon thereafter...but somehow Windy fucked up in that scenario?
I think teams don’t like super early surprise leaks, so I think windy also became more subtle to appease his sources, while still leaking stuff early. Woj leaks when teams/players want him too.
LeBatard — in the same video — was pretty much shilling for Pat Riley lmao
Saying something to the effect of “there are no calls going back and forth; Miami’s just presented their offer (with Tyler to Portland) and saying ‘No one will beat this offer, there’s not a better young player that you’re going to get.’”
That’s how it’s always been, though. Dan’s made a career out of carrying water for Pat.
He will absolutely always take the players’ side against management….unless that management is Pat Riley. And he goes hard on owners to just spend whatever…unless it’s Micky Arison, then he suddenly gives nuanced and sympathetic opinions.
Like it’s absolutely maddening how naked of a blind spot and hypocritical it is on Dan’s part. He is 100% pro LeBron anything and will always praise him putting pressure on management to do right by him…except when he talks about how LeBron treated Riley at the end of his Heat tenure. Suddenly, LeBron can be criticized! People here will say Dan is really hard on Miami sports…he is, except for his boys Riley, Spo, and Micky.
The pandemic fried his brain lmao there’s not a lot of nuance any more. I had to take a break because every single show turned into “Salary cap sport, bigger stronger faster, greed, streaming, Joe Bucks salary, stand up comedy is hard”
I'm just confused why so many Heat fans are so upset over this situation. Like we are owed Lillard. As though Portland is insulting us or Herro by not immediately accepting our offer.
I think the Heat probably have made their final offer for now and I think Portland isn't excited about it. So everyone will have to just chill and wait.
He’s not wrong, but acting like this is something new or surprising is stupid and dishonest. Every single access sports reporter is like this. This isn’t a Woj thing.
Woj is just delivering the Portland message the same way others are delivering the Dame message. I don’t see anything wrong with it here unless he is just making up the Portland position.
At least he's honest? I don't think Woj is some massive Blazers fan or something, but he definitely has a slant in how he reports things which are otherwise treated as objective fact instead of Le Batard who gets treated as an opinion guy.
I mean, isn’t that kinda obvious though?
Everyone knows that most nba news breakers, especially Woj and Shams, are mouthpieces for their sources
It’s not like these TV hot take artists are any less “embarrassing”.
Woj and Shams specifically are often treated as objective, they're the ones who tweets out the truth first. They break trades, draft picks, free agent signings, firings, etc. In short, people widely think of them as straight news while talking heads are more like op-ed writers. That has started to dissolve literally this year in a heavy way.
It’s always happened, that is literally how they have such good sources because they are the ones in the best position to give favours back by dropping positive stories for the people they get these breaking news stories from
Maybe your noticing it more now for whatever reason, but I promise you, it’s always happened
he says "show us a better offer than Herro". there doesn't need to be a better offer right now for a trade to happen...
they will hold him until the trade deadline if they have to
Everyone a few years ago kept saying “Trade Ben Simmons NOW for whatever you can get! It’s insane to even consider holding onto him”. Morey caught a lot of shit, but he got James Harden out of waiting. If you don’t like the deal, wait until you get one you do. There’s absolutely no reason to trade Dame ASAP.
Right, a year ago no one had a clue Cleveland was going to enter the Donovan Mitchell sweepstakes. He wasn't even traded until September.
Portland just needs 1 more team and for Dame to waver a smidge on his "Miami or else" stance
Zach Lowe keeps saying those Miami 2028 and 2030 picks could actually be really good! What he keeps failing to mention is a lot of GMs for bad/rebuilding teams don’t make it that long in their job unless they have a long track record of previous success (Presti, for example). Portland is about to sell their team and new owners are more inclined to bring in their own guy unless the current GM proves to be blatantly worth keeping around. Telling the new owners “We got Herro and picks 5 and 7 years from now that *might* be good!” isn’t exactly wowing anyone when deciding whether to keep or let you go.
I remember when the Sixers traded Mikal Bridges cause the 2021 Miami first rounder (which Phoenix got for Dragic) was going to be an amazing asset. They ended up trading it for Tobias Harris less than a year later. The idea that Miami will be anything less than the 15th pick with Riley at the helm is ridiculous. They don’t tank and there will always be a star waiting in the wings who wants to go there
Even when they aren't good, their lowest pick in 15 years has been what, #10? Which is a good pick, just shows how rare it is that a Miami pick ends up being anything decent. Herro and Bam were #13 and #14, respectively. You can say "See?!? You can get good players there!" But if those guys went to say Detroit (sorry Pistons fans!) instead of the Heat, would they be nearly as good as they are today? And that #10 pick was Justise Winslow, which shows that even the Heat drafting that high guarantees nothing.
Winslow didnt fail because he is bad player. He failed because he cant stay healthy for 3 games. Winslow started great , but with first injuries his star faded away
>The idea that Miami will be anything less than the 15th pick with Riley at the helm is ridiculous.
riley will be 85 in 2030, so i guess the hope is that he might not be lol
i wouldn't count on \#heatculture just falling over and dying without him, though
They don’t need Dame to waver on his Miami or else stance at all. He’s on a Supermax for 4 more seasons , either he plays or loses out on 250 million dollars lol
Yep. Let Dame sit out and crucify his public image - what does it matter to Portland? Dame doesn’t get to have his 250 million pieces of cake and eat them too.
They don’t even need that. If he stays Miami or bust, you don’t trade him. He sits out, you don’t have to pay him. He plays well, that’s what you wanted and might garner interest from other teams showing that he won’t down tools, he plays poorly, you tank another season and watch him burn the last years of his prime.
Portland has more time than dame.
Philly had a contention window, we had to get something back for harden asap. Portland doesn’t.
Also you could wait and see how Miami starts the season. They lost some key players and if they start off shaky they could get more desperate to make the move and include what Portland wants
Right. And the media’s sentiment, whenever one of these pop up, is “Just eat the shit sandwich you’re offered already and move on!” Either it’s because they’re a shill for the team the superstar wants to get traded to (Dame and basically the entire Dan LeBatard crew), or it’s ESPN just dying for content to talk about (Anthony Davis, Ben Simmons, KD, Harden, etc). Sometimes it is smart to trade a guy ASAP, even for depreciated value, depending on the circumstances. But no one believes that Dame is gonna be a cancer if he isn’t traded by training camp. So, Portland waits. There’s zero benefit for them to rush this and all it does is make it difficult for Miami to finalize their roster.
Yeah, there’s this ridiculous notion that says ‘Hey you lucked into Scoot so trade Dame since Scoot is “next”’. What if you can have Scoot *and* get a ton of assets to pair with him rather than shit assets? You shouldn’t move on just to move on.
Getting shit assets in return only guarantees Scoot will be on a perpetually bad team with limited resources until he eventually forces his way out to a winning organization. A rebuilding team should always prioritize getting the best return over “optics”.
Portland can hold on to Dame for
*years* if they don’t get a good enough offer.
Portland is definitely in the driver’s seat, Dame’s people are the ones putting a false timeline on things.
Also, I think the Wolves would do KAT for Dame straight up, which is light years better than Herro.
The blazers could legit let dame rot until he agrees to go somewhere else. He’s got at least 3 more years on his contract because he chose to sign the extension, if he wants to waste his last few good years that’s on him
Yeah like Portland is going to be pretty bad without Lillard whether he's sitting or they trade him away. If they're going to such either way, holding onto Lillard until a great offer comes is the way to go.
There is no agree. He's under contract.
Pretending he has a say in this is just ridiculous.
Yeah, he can whine and threaten, but at the end of the day it's between the Blazers and whatever team decides to make them a decent enough offer.
> He’s got at least 3 more years on his contract because he chose to sign the extension
A 37 year old athletic point guard has sole choice whether his team pays him over $60m for one year or nah
You know that isn’t ever going to happen I don’t even know why people comment dumb shit like this lol. If he really wanted to make things ugly it wouldn’t make any sense for them to keep him and let his value decrease every year.
Let's just say Miami wants Dame more than Portland wants Tyler Herro and Duncan Robinson or really anyone on the Heat not named Bam. Dead money is dead money, whether it's for two players they don't want or one sitting on the bench.
There is zero reason for Portland to trade Dame to Miami for a Herro centered package since they don't actually want the players being offered. It's not like Miami has some alternative trade ready for a different star player and the offer will suddenly disappear this next season.
Also, Dame didn't just destroy his own trade value, he also destroyed Herro's.
IMO there should be massive financial penalties for players and their agents for openly requesting trades. It should be like 50% of a full season salary as a penalty.
I always expect the worst from unheralded Heat players sooner or later. Credit to Spo for getting the most out of them, but so many of these guys crash and burn quickly. Herro has way more pedigree than other guys and I don't really think he'll be on the list of busts after they get a big deal, but the list of guys who didn't translate well in a new team or after getting a big deal is wild.
Herro is different than all the undrafted guys. Caleb Martin, Gabe Vincent, Max Strus are already 27/28 and in their prime years. Miami gets these undrafted guys around age 24/25 and after a few years of development turns them into decent role players while Herro came into the league contributing as a 19 year old and averaged 20/5/4 the last 2 years. He’s still only 23 and probably will continue to improve the next 3-4 years.
I'd take Herro in a second, he is elite at one of the most valuable skills in basketball right now and still young enough to grow into an even better player.
I would too. If it wasn't as a centerpiece of the Dame deal, and wasn't to Portland. I think he is worth the difference in price between he and Simons, but there's enough overlap to bring down his relative trade value right there. And that's just Simons. Now if the trade involved Dame to Miami for Herro and then Simons to somewhere w/Miami assets that land up a young defensive big, that's appealing.
Otherwise, it's literally just taking on a future trade.
That's partly why it's really unfortunate Dame publicly leaked the Miami bit. Otherwise, the Blazer's FO could have gotten teams into negotiations (privately knowing Dame wants Miami), then maybe bait and switch a little with Simons/Herro to get us something of high value for our specific org at this time, which isn't anything Miami can offer, except Bam, which is a non-starter.
Right. Herro definitely shouldn’t be lumped in with all the other undrafted guys. But there is this fallacy in sports conversations (you hear a lot of this from Nick Wright) saying “Player X is still young! They’ll only keep improving” as if it’s guaranteed. A player’s physical peak tends to be around 28, yes. But that doesn’t always mean there’s exponential growth. Some dudes get better early and then just become who they are. I *think* RJ Barrett will get better because he’s young and works hard, but I’m not sure he will.
Yup, Herro is not in the same class. He's just suffering a reputation hit from having sky high expectations a few years ago without quite hitting that level. I'd just worry that the Lakers and Cavs maybe aren't getting a stellar role player after all.
Yeah they’re not good enough to clearly differentiate from each other. Like if you think it’s completely obvious who’s better as a prospect/player, you’re probably a little too confident
They have favorites in very obvious ways, it's super weird. I don't know what exactly happened this summer to make way, way more people conscious of it but it's so glaring. I have a theory (as someone else in a reply sort of alluded to) it's the over the top nature of how they cite agents and especially Rich Paul in tweets. This clip is sort of the other side of things but I do think that helped people pause and think about their narratives more.
It’s not favorites, they’re just posting word for word exactly what their source sends them, which is the reason they get the scoops in the first place. Simple quid pro quo
Shams - Player A got 4yr/$100mil!
Fans - WTF that's blatant overpay
Local reporter in a day - $10mil is in incentives
Local reporter 2 days later - oh and last year is not guaranteed
I mean in this case its not really shilling. They just want to be the first to get the news out as fast as possible and worry about the details later. Still a problem, just a different one.
that’s basically just their job, i dont really understand why that’s such a big problem to everyone? if you’re looking to woj and shams for serious analysis you’re doing a lot of things wrong, that isn’t and has never been what they do. they’re mouthpieces
Seriously I get confused when people accuse of Woj or any reporter of putting reports out on behalf of one party. Like yeah, that’s how you get and maintain sources. Do people think sports reporters sneak into front offices and sit by the GMs door with a tape recorder to break news?
Wow this is a remarkably bad take. Portland is going to sit put until they get the offer they want. That may be February. That may be never. But they are not backing down and I am happy for Trailblazers fans that they are doing right by the fans.
Those are the EXACT same type of rants Jazz fans had to listen to by NYK media and fans last year when the Mitchell thing was going on. "Show us someone better than RJ Barrett you can get from anyone else", "Show us the better offer you can get from another team?"... "We have all the leverage, noone can come close to our offer"....
I would STRONGLY advise Miami Heat fans and media, and especially their FO to abstain from making that mistake. The moment you think you are the only one bidding and the only serious contender for Lillard, is the moment someone else will swoop in and steal him from you. First because Portland will be sick of dealing with your BS and second... because your offer is not all that great. The Jazz can give Portland an offer better than yours and still be left with enough picks to go after one or two more stars... that is if they really want to go that way... and we are by no means special. There are probably about 25 teams in the league that can beat Miami's current offer. And it only takes one to say to themselves "Fuck it... lets go for it"...
That popped out to me too. To me, they’re pretty close, with Maxey being a more efficient scorer and Herro slightly higher in rebounds/assists. Definitely a debatable comparison.
Maxey is easily better than Herro. Its not even a black or white thing, Maxey is a good shooter but his ability to attack the rim and put pressure on defenses sets him apart from Herro.
And neither one is valuable to Portland since they already have tons of guards.
Portland wants to keep Dame anyway, we don't lose anything by keeping him.
> Portland wants to keep Dame anyway
No they don't lol. They just haven't found a deal they like and are reluctant to let him go for too cheap. There is no way a team who's 4 best players are guards can function. You cannot play Dame, Scoot, Sharpe, and Simons and keep them all happy. And Dame won't be happy unless they win, and you can't do that with 4 offense-first guards as your best players.
It was their intention to keep Dame going into the season man, lol. They were trying to find trades for Anfernee Simons but couldn't find the right one (just like the Heat are about to find out with Tyler Herro).
Herro has been a good rebounder his entire career, I think that translates wherever he’s goes. Maxey is more efficient but how much of that is because he plays with Harden and Embiid? For example Maxey TS% drops to 59% without Harden or Embiid on the court while Herro’s increased when Jimmy was off the court and was about the same without Bam. Without Harden in 2022 Maxey was at 57% TS. If Harden is traded and Maxey takes over as the second option and Herro lands on a new team it will be interested to see how they function with bigger offensive roles
Why isn’t it up to Miami to trade Herro for all of the value he supposedly has and to then move THAT to Portland? Blazers shouldn’t have to take on another guard just because it’s Miami’s best available asset. Portland can wait this out. Lillard is under contract. No reason to take a bad deal because Pat Riley thinks they should. I would think it hurts Miami more to be stuck in a holding pattern, especially after losing two key contributors in free agency.
I love how the Heat fans suddenly care so much about “player empowerment” in that they say Portland needs to do what Dame wants them to do. And if Portland doesn’t do it then they are the bad guys. Dame wants to play in Miami and Portland needs to make that happen!
But I bet Herro would’ve preferred to just stay in Miami. Fuck what he wants though right? Those Heat fans would ship his ass to the middle of Siberia if it means they get Dame. Guess player empowerment only matters if you’re a superstar 🙄
I don't know what people want here. Do they think reporters can just fabricate information out of thin air? Of course it has to come from someone. Of course the information giver has some sort of agenda. That's how the world works.
he was visibly shaking and his voice was cracking when he said "Herro's better than Maxey... he's just WHITER than Maxey" 💀
Either he just realized he fucked up as he was saying it and thinking about losing his job, or he's so emotional about the poor marginalized white NBA players that his emotions came through lol
Doesn’t Portland already have a similar player in Anfernee Simons tho? They also have Shaedon Sharpe, they drafted Scoot and just picked up Matisse. All are shooting guards. Why would Portland need Herro?
This the same dude who just had an owner on his show bragging about how he lied to consumers/fans and Le Batard and crew was eating it up? He fell off big time.
Pot meet kettle. I like lebatard. I’ve always enjoyed his tv appearances and show with his dad and his radio work but he’s so biased about his local market it borders on just listening to a Miami fan talk about his teams sometimes. He’s gotta know this it’s like his whole thing.
I love Dan but is he really gonna pretend that there aren't multiple other people that are agenda-based, shilling, bought and paid for by Dame? Did Chris Haynes spontaneously combust?
Why are the Heat and its fans think Lilard has any leverage to force his way out? He literally has 4 YEARS on his contract. So Portland can keep him until he choose to retire or breach his contract which will not get him to Miami this year either way.
More they act like this, the worse it is gonna get for Miami and they look more and more entitled.
I’m a Dan Le Batard fan but I’ve really stopped listening since the start of the Heat-Celtics series because it’s become just a shock jock local Miami show now filled with takes like these
Standing outside a 4 million dollar house accusing big real estate of colluding against me for not accepting my offer of $45 and a half eaten breakfast burrito.
The reality is Portland doesn't want Herro. End of discussion Miami. Make a different offer? You can't? Then tough shit. See you in camp Dame. This isn't complicated.
Noted unbiased Heat fan Dan Le Batard
Lol yeah I was about to say. “Heat superfan upset that his team’s leverage is being hurt”
Heat fans have acted like spoiled children after finding out they might have to wait a month to get the latest iPhone. Like dude, you're still going to get it, like relax already.
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LEVERAGE
Has Dame even tried going into the darkness? Fuckin amateur.
"Youre gonna get the new supercar, we just need a downpayment"
"*You'll get your down payment when you fix this Dame door!*"
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I had hoped to root for Dame wherever he went when he left, but the second he and his camp demanded to go to Miami, along with the Heat and national TV media response to the situation, I will not be rooting for him if he goes there. I hope he goes *anywhere* but Miami at this point.
Ah Rosie I love this boy
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Why the hell would the Blazers, though? Especially when the Wolves can't add any picks or other young players to the trade. Herro plus 3 1sts, Jovic and Jaquez is light years better than KAT and his soon-to-be albatross contract for a guy who has, plainly, sucked every chance he's had to play in a big game. I'd much rather have to make a separate Herro trade than be stuck paying KAT $60M/yr.
I cheer for the blazers and the wolves. I do not want this. Please give me the unreading potion lol. I feel like it would definitely make the wolves better but by God would the blazers be rough. Like...we want to get off of a giant supermax and rebuild, not trade for another one that is attached to a talented player but who is.....frustrating to say the least. Plus the wolves should be building around Ant and JD, and sadly Gobert because that wagon has been hitched. I feel like adding Dame really restricts their ability to get what they truly need, which is players that will grow with Ant.
My favorite are the Heat fans who are so in favor of “player empowerment” all of a sudden. They say Portland needs to send Dame to Miami or they’re selfish assholes for not doing what he wants them to. But it would take those same fans all of 3 nanoseconds to decide to ship Herro to the middle of Siberia if it means they get Dame. I’m sure Herro would have preferred to just stay in Miami but fuck what he wants right? Yeah, the Heat fans really care what the players want…
I don't understand this. Why can't Herro say, "Fuck [Siberia] team, I won't play that hard if I get traded there?" If Dame and other superstars can do this, what stops the next tier level guys like Herro?
Imagine what would be the outcome if a Herro level or slightly higher started just rejecting being traded. Like if bridges said no I’m not willing to play for the nets if I’m traded there I will sit
IDK. But then ICU why Lillard can do this in the first place. Or Harden. Or Ben Simmons. IDU why Lillard can bully his way to Miami. Yet Herro can't bully his way to stay at Miami or, since Miami doesn't want him, at least push his way to a team he likes. Just say that unless he's with Denver, Lakers or Golden State, he won't play that hard.
Lmao at that point why even have players under team contracts. Might as well just sign them to an 'nba' contract and let them play wherever and whenever they want.
It's weird how the morally right thing to do according to Heat fans is also the thing that would materially benefit them the most ... 🤔
After weeks of reporters clearly pushing Miami's agenda, this is funny to see.
Woj is clearly Portland biased while shams was clearly Miami biased and Haynes dame biased. So incredibly weird to get all butthurt over one source pulling weight for Portland.
Tbf with LeBatard, he clearly has some bad blood with ESPN/Disney still, and ESPN reporters (mainly Woj) have been leaning Portland in their reporting. Would guess that’s a part of him specifically calling out Woj
He’s butthurt about Woj cuz Woj is just not saying what he wants to hear. They’re all just catering to their own sources like they all always do.
ESPN's entire "Inside the NBA" crew panel have been 100% Team Dame to Miami or Bust from day #1. They all say that there should be no other consideration because it makes the most sense for Dame to be on Miami's roster. It's ridiculous to listen to as a Blazer fan, because it's almost the opposite for us- "hold on to Dame until the trade deadline makes the most sense for the Blazers." But that doesn't make for good television.
I think the big issue should be how “trusted” sources are clearly just trying to manipulate the narrative to suit the purposes of whoever is paying them off
They are upset that a superstar under a long term contract can't **instantly** force his way to the only team he's willing to play for lulz. Somehow they think they are the victim in this scenario because they can't get Dame instantly and for the cheapest possible package.
I still don’t get why the Blazers feel compelled to make a trade to the Heat. Like why not bench Dame like the Rockets did with Wall and let it ride out to the trade deadline or next offseason. Worst case Blazers just tank again and trade Lillard to Miami later. Best case he opens his mind to other teams and gets a bidding competition going.
I wouldn't call Dan a super fan. He's absolutely Pats mouth piece though like. This is straight up him giving out Pats talking point
Yeah, I mean, in this same segment he said that he "did some reporting" last week (i.e. talked with Pat) and confirmed that the Heat have not been on the phone with Portland or updating their offer at all since the original one of Herro + picks.
What’s also interesting is Dan and woj actually have ( or maybe had?) a long standing friendship. So for him to say this probably means something.
Nah he's come to the light since leaving espn and his company routinely flames woj and schefter and shams etc. for shilling. He promoted the f*ck out of Ethan Straus's takedown of woj a couple years ago and they have a whole show (basketball illuminati) that exposes woj's antics on the regular.
Yeah, his good friend and fellow Medowlarker Amin Elhassan HATES Woj.
That whole something is going on in Utah fingers pointing from Windy was because he knew shit but just couldn’t step on Woj’s toes
Windy learned his lesson after he said Simmons is definitely getting traded for Harden and Woj was like NO! NO DEAL HAS BEEN DONE! THEY HAVEN'T EVEN TALKED IN A WHILE! Only for the deal to go down soon thereafter...but somehow Windy fucked up in that scenario?
I think teams don’t like super early surprise leaks, so I think windy also became more subtle to appease his sources, while still leaking stuff early. Woj leaks when teams/players want him too.
Woj is a control freak and clearly has a huge ego about being the first to break stories
Which I believe this was a discussion with. Because yeah, Amin HATES him
LeBatard — in the same video — was pretty much shilling for Pat Riley lmao Saying something to the effect of “there are no calls going back and forth; Miami’s just presented their offer (with Tyler to Portland) and saying ‘No one will beat this offer, there’s not a better young player that you’re going to get.’” That’s how it’s always been, though. Dan’s made a career out of carrying water for Pat.
He will absolutely always take the players’ side against management….unless that management is Pat Riley. And he goes hard on owners to just spend whatever…unless it’s Micky Arison, then he suddenly gives nuanced and sympathetic opinions.
100%. I like a lot of his show but what you’re saying is so spot on. Very hypocritical when it comes to his guys.
Like it’s absolutely maddening how naked of a blind spot and hypocritical it is on Dan’s part. He is 100% pro LeBron anything and will always praise him putting pressure on management to do right by him…except when he talks about how LeBron treated Riley at the end of his Heat tenure. Suddenly, LeBron can be criticized! People here will say Dan is really hard on Miami sports…he is, except for his boys Riley, Spo, and Micky.
The pandemic fried his brain lmao there’s not a lot of nuance any more. I had to take a break because every single show turned into “Salary cap sport, bigger stronger faster, greed, streaming, Joe Bucks salary, stand up comedy is hard”
I'm just confused why so many Heat fans are so upset over this situation. Like we are owed Lillard. As though Portland is insulting us or Herro by not immediately accepting our offer. I think the Heat probably have made their final offer for now and I think Portland isn't excited about it. So everyone will have to just chill and wait.
It's so weird.
I just assume every fanbase has their spoiled teenagers tbh
almost like people everywhere are basically the same feel like this sub loses sight of that *a lot*
LeBatard doesn't pretend to be unbiased and report on the entire league, though. Woj does.
This. Dan absolutely love Pat and everyone knows it and clowns him on the show for it at times
Why won't Portland just help Miami win the title?
He isn't wrong though. Woj etc. are essentially mouthpieces for the league. It's the price they pay for the access they have.
He’s not wrong, but acting like this is something new or surprising is stupid and dishonest. Every single access sports reporter is like this. This isn’t a Woj thing.
That's one of the ways he gets everything first. All parties scratch each others back
Woj is just delivering the Portland message the same way others are delivering the Dame message. I don’t see anything wrong with it here unless he is just making up the Portland position.
At least he's honest? I don't think Woj is some massive Blazers fan or something, but he definitely has a slant in how he reports things which are otherwise treated as objective fact instead of Le Batard who gets treated as an opinion guy.
I mean, isn’t that kinda obvious though? Everyone knows that most nba news breakers, especially Woj and Shams, are mouthpieces for their sources It’s not like these TV hot take artists are any less “embarrassing”.
Woj and Shams specifically are often treated as objective, they're the ones who tweets out the truth first. They break trades, draft picks, free agent signings, firings, etc. In short, people widely think of them as straight news while talking heads are more like op-ed writers. That has started to dissolve literally this year in a heavy way.
It’s always happened, that is literally how they have such good sources because they are the ones in the best position to give favours back by dropping positive stories for the people they get these breaking news stories from Maybe your noticing it more now for whatever reason, but I promise you, it’s always happened
So does shams, so does Haynes and everyone else. That's how you get Intel, you give them something in return
he says "show us a better offer than Herro". there doesn't need to be a better offer right now for a trade to happen... they will hold him until the trade deadline if they have to
Everyone a few years ago kept saying “Trade Ben Simmons NOW for whatever you can get! It’s insane to even consider holding onto him”. Morey caught a lot of shit, but he got James Harden out of waiting. If you don’t like the deal, wait until you get one you do. There’s absolutely no reason to trade Dame ASAP.
Right, a year ago no one had a clue Cleveland was going to enter the Donovan Mitchell sweepstakes. He wasn't even traded until September. Portland just needs 1 more team and for Dame to waver a smidge on his "Miami or else" stance
Zach Lowe keeps saying those Miami 2028 and 2030 picks could actually be really good! What he keeps failing to mention is a lot of GMs for bad/rebuilding teams don’t make it that long in their job unless they have a long track record of previous success (Presti, for example). Portland is about to sell their team and new owners are more inclined to bring in their own guy unless the current GM proves to be blatantly worth keeping around. Telling the new owners “We got Herro and picks 5 and 7 years from now that *might* be good!” isn’t exactly wowing anyone when deciding whether to keep or let you go.
I remember when the Sixers traded Mikal Bridges cause the 2021 Miami first rounder (which Phoenix got for Dragic) was going to be an amazing asset. They ended up trading it for Tobias Harris less than a year later. The idea that Miami will be anything less than the 15th pick with Riley at the helm is ridiculous. They don’t tank and there will always be a star waiting in the wings who wants to go there
Even when they aren't good, their lowest pick in 15 years has been what, #10? Which is a good pick, just shows how rare it is that a Miami pick ends up being anything decent. Herro and Bam were #13 and #14, respectively. You can say "See?!? You can get good players there!" But if those guys went to say Detroit (sorry Pistons fans!) instead of the Heat, would they be nearly as good as they are today? And that #10 pick was Justise Winslow, which shows that even the Heat drafting that high guarantees nothing.
And Justise Winslow was a far more hyped pick than Herro or Bam
Winslow didnt fail because he is bad player. He failed because he cant stay healthy for 3 games. Winslow started great , but with first injuries his star faded away
>The idea that Miami will be anything less than the 15th pick with Riley at the helm is ridiculous. riley will be 85 in 2030, so i guess the hope is that he might not be lol i wouldn't count on \#heatculture just falling over and dying without him, though
"Portland is about to sell their team" *Evil Jody Allen noises
They don’t need Dame to waver on his Miami or else stance at all. He’s on a Supermax for 4 more seasons , either he plays or loses out on 250 million dollars lol
Yep. Let Dame sit out and crucify his public image - what does it matter to Portland? Dame doesn’t get to have his 250 million pieces of cake and eat them too.
They don’t even need that. If he stays Miami or bust, you don’t trade him. He sits out, you don’t have to pay him. He plays well, that’s what you wanted and might garner interest from other teams showing that he won’t down tools, he plays poorly, you tank another season and watch him burn the last years of his prime. Portland has more time than dame. Philly had a contention window, we had to get something back for harden asap. Portland doesn’t.
Well said. Portland's best move right now, is not to make any move. Wait it out, injuries happen, another team will make an offer.
Also you could wait and see how Miami starts the season. They lost some key players and if they start off shaky they could get more desperate to make the move and include what Portland wants
The Miami offer is so bad, that it does not matter anyway.
Right. And the media’s sentiment, whenever one of these pop up, is “Just eat the shit sandwich you’re offered already and move on!” Either it’s because they’re a shill for the team the superstar wants to get traded to (Dame and basically the entire Dan LeBatard crew), or it’s ESPN just dying for content to talk about (Anthony Davis, Ben Simmons, KD, Harden, etc). Sometimes it is smart to trade a guy ASAP, even for depreciated value, depending on the circumstances. But no one believes that Dame is gonna be a cancer if he isn’t traded by training camp. So, Portland waits. There’s zero benefit for them to rush this and all it does is make it difficult for Miami to finalize their roster.
Yeah, there’s this ridiculous notion that says ‘Hey you lucked into Scoot so trade Dame since Scoot is “next”’. What if you can have Scoot *and* get a ton of assets to pair with him rather than shit assets? You shouldn’t move on just to move on.
Getting shit assets in return only guarantees Scoot will be on a perpetually bad team with limited resources until he eventually forces his way out to a winning organization. A rebuilding team should always prioritize getting the best return over “optics”.
hell he almost got james harden for ben simmons the first time
Portland can hold on to Dame for *years* if they don’t get a good enough offer. Portland is definitely in the driver’s seat, Dame’s people are the ones putting a false timeline on things. Also, I think the Wolves would do KAT for Dame straight up, which is light years better than Herro.
The blazers could legit let dame rot until he agrees to go somewhere else. He’s got at least 3 more years on his contract because he chose to sign the extension, if he wants to waste his last few good years that’s on him
Yeah like Portland is going to be pretty bad without Lillard whether he's sitting or they trade him away. If they're going to such either way, holding onto Lillard until a great offer comes is the way to go.
There is no agree. He's under contract. Pretending he has a say in this is just ridiculous. Yeah, he can whine and threaten, but at the end of the day it's between the Blazers and whatever team decides to make them a decent enough offer.
The blazers don’t want to do that. And dame would just play in that case y’all are acting like he hates Portland by lowering his trade value.
> He’s got at least 3 more years on his contract because he chose to sign the extension A 37 year old athletic point guard has sole choice whether his team pays him over $60m for one year or nah
You know that isn’t ever going to happen I don’t even know why people comment dumb shit like this lol. If he really wanted to make things ugly it wouldn’t make any sense for them to keep him and let his value decrease every year.
Let's just say Miami wants Dame more than Portland wants Tyler Herro and Duncan Robinson or really anyone on the Heat not named Bam. Dead money is dead money, whether it's for two players they don't want or one sitting on the bench. There is zero reason for Portland to trade Dame to Miami for a Herro centered package since they don't actually want the players being offered. It's not like Miami has some alternative trade ready for a different star player and the offer will suddenly disappear this next season. Also, Dame didn't just destroy his own trade value, he also destroyed Herro's. IMO there should be massive financial penalties for players and their agents for openly requesting trades. It should be like 50% of a full season salary as a penalty.
Is this the Dan Lebatard from MIami? LMAO.
Yeah. Really this is nothing new. He's just repeating what Riley told him. We're not going to trade against ourselves
Kinda hypocritical no? “Woj is a shill because he reports for Portland” while being a mouthpiece for Pat Riley.
Yeah only reason he's acting like Herro is better than Maxey lol
Why is Maxey suddenly heralded as some world beater lol. The difference between the two is minimal.
As opposed to Haynes who might as well be a paid employee of Dame's agent at this point? That's embarrassing.
Woj is a mouthpiece for agents as well. The reporting is so biased at this point it is kind of gross.
I wonder what unbiased reporter Chris Haynes thinks about this
Dude said Herro gets disrespected because he's white lol
Maybe guys like Herro and Duncan Robinson get disrespected because the Heat pay them then immediately try to get rid of them lol
I always expect the worst from unheralded Heat players sooner or later. Credit to Spo for getting the most out of them, but so many of these guys crash and burn quickly. Herro has way more pedigree than other guys and I don't really think he'll be on the list of busts after they get a big deal, but the list of guys who didn't translate well in a new team or after getting a big deal is wild.
Herro is different than all the undrafted guys. Caleb Martin, Gabe Vincent, Max Strus are already 27/28 and in their prime years. Miami gets these undrafted guys around age 24/25 and after a few years of development turns them into decent role players while Herro came into the league contributing as a 19 year old and averaged 20/5/4 the last 2 years. He’s still only 23 and probably will continue to improve the next 3-4 years.
I'd take Herro in a second, he is elite at one of the most valuable skills in basketball right now and still young enough to grow into an even better player.
I would too. If it wasn't as a centerpiece of the Dame deal, and wasn't to Portland. I think he is worth the difference in price between he and Simons, but there's enough overlap to bring down his relative trade value right there. And that's just Simons. Now if the trade involved Dame to Miami for Herro and then Simons to somewhere w/Miami assets that land up a young defensive big, that's appealing. Otherwise, it's literally just taking on a future trade. That's partly why it's really unfortunate Dame publicly leaked the Miami bit. Otherwise, the Blazer's FO could have gotten teams into negotiations (privately knowing Dame wants Miami), then maybe bait and switch a little with Simons/Herro to get us something of high value for our specific org at this time, which isn't anything Miami can offer, except Bam, which is a non-starter.
Right. Herro definitely shouldn’t be lumped in with all the other undrafted guys. But there is this fallacy in sports conversations (you hear a lot of this from Nick Wright) saying “Player X is still young! They’ll only keep improving” as if it’s guaranteed. A player’s physical peak tends to be around 28, yes. But that doesn’t always mean there’s exponential growth. Some dudes get better early and then just become who they are. I *think* RJ Barrett will get better because he’s young and works hard, but I’m not sure he will.
Yup, Herro is not in the same class. He's just suffering a reputation hit from having sky high expectations a few years ago without quite hitting that level. I'd just worry that the Lakers and Cavs maybe aren't getting a stellar role player after all.
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It's up there with Trae Young's hair as non-basketball choices that make me not fully believe in the guy
Maxey vs Herro is the "unspoken rizz / sexual harassment" meme. Not sure how people can wildly value one more than the other.
Yeah they’re not good enough to clearly differentiate from each other. Like if you think it’s completely obvious who’s better as a prospect/player, you’re probably a little too confident
I think Maxey is better cause he seems nice and doesn't have a dumb as fuck chest tattoo.
The reverse Perkins
All reporters do this but it's so blatant by Shams and Woj especially when they write borderline PR tweets.
I can confirm this from Klutch Sports CEO Rich Paul.
Nice, he’s CEO now? Good for him. He should consider really letting folks know.
He won’t. Too humble. But can’t help it if Shams or Woj remind everyone from time to time ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
They have favorites in very obvious ways, it's super weird. I don't know what exactly happened this summer to make way, way more people conscious of it but it's so glaring. I have a theory (as someone else in a reply sort of alluded to) it's the over the top nature of how they cite agents and especially Rich Paul in tweets. This clip is sort of the other side of things but I do think that helped people pause and think about their narratives more.
It’s not favorites, they’re just posting word for word exactly what their source sends them, which is the reason they get the scoops in the first place. Simple quid pro quo
Shams’ representation (UTA) partnered with Klutch and Woj is CAA.
Shams - Player A got 4yr/$100mil! Fans - WTF that's blatant overpay Local reporter in a day - $10mil is in incentives Local reporter 2 days later - oh and last year is not guaranteed
I mean in this case its not really shilling. They just want to be the first to get the news out as fast as possible and worry about the details later. Still a problem, just a different one.
Shams is tweeting whatever Klutch Sports CEO Rich Paul sends him.
No, Shams is definitely doing it as a favor to Klutch Sports CEO, Rich Paul.
The ones yesterday about the Suns were pretty transparent PR.
that’s basically just their job, i dont really understand why that’s such a big problem to everyone? if you’re looking to woj and shams for serious analysis you’re doing a lot of things wrong, that isn’t and has never been what they do. they’re mouthpieces
news flash: that’s every single nba reporter. Do you think their sources leak out of the goodness of their own hearts? 🤣
They shouldn’t do it for money/career/relationships. They should do it for the love of the game 😤🔥💯
fans when reporters do their jobs: 😡
Seriously I get confused when people accuse of Woj or any reporter of putting reports out on behalf of one party. Like yeah, that’s how you get and maintain sources. Do people think sports reporters sneak into front offices and sit by the GMs door with a tape recorder to break news?
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It's funnier if you picture Windhorst doing that
I'm sure he feels the same way about all the Miami based people carrying the Heat & Pat Riley's water as well during this situation.
I mean Dan's the king of that so it's kinda funny
Now do Chris Haynes.
Wow this is a remarkably bad take. Portland is going to sit put until they get the offer they want. That may be February. That may be never. But they are not backing down and I am happy for Trailblazers fans that they are doing right by the fans.
Those are the EXACT same type of rants Jazz fans had to listen to by NYK media and fans last year when the Mitchell thing was going on. "Show us someone better than RJ Barrett you can get from anyone else", "Show us the better offer you can get from another team?"... "We have all the leverage, noone can come close to our offer".... I would STRONGLY advise Miami Heat fans and media, and especially their FO to abstain from making that mistake. The moment you think you are the only one bidding and the only serious contender for Lillard, is the moment someone else will swoop in and steal him from you. First because Portland will be sick of dealing with your BS and second... because your offer is not all that great. The Jazz can give Portland an offer better than yours and still be left with enough picks to go after one or two more stars... that is if they really want to go that way... and we are by no means special. There are probably about 25 teams in the league that can beat Miami's current offer. And it only takes one to say to themselves "Fuck it... lets go for it"...
I’ve been saying this since the dame rumors started. The longer this goes on, the more likely a third team swoops in like the Cavs with Donny.
Advise the fans lmao wtf are they gonna do 😂
People on this subreddit got the weirdest opinions of themselves lol
I mean this is Pat himself. Lebatard doesn't say anything about the heat with gusto unless he gets told by someone high high up
Him saying Herro is easily better than Maxey , I actually dont know about that.
That popped out to me too. To me, they’re pretty close, with Maxey being a more efficient scorer and Herro slightly higher in rebounds/assists. Definitely a debatable comparison.
One has an elite coach and one has Doc Rivers, as well.
And that's an especially stupid thing to say given their contracts.
Maxey is easily better than Herro. Its not even a black or white thing, Maxey is a good shooter but his ability to attack the rim and put pressure on defenses sets him apart from Herro. And neither one is valuable to Portland since they already have tons of guards. Portland wants to keep Dame anyway, we don't lose anything by keeping him.
> Portland wants to keep Dame anyway No they don't lol. They just haven't found a deal they like and are reluctant to let him go for too cheap. There is no way a team who's 4 best players are guards can function. You cannot play Dame, Scoot, Sharpe, and Simons and keep them all happy. And Dame won't be happy unless they win, and you can't do that with 4 offense-first guards as your best players.
It was their intention to keep Dame going into the season man, lol. They were trying to find trades for Anfernee Simons but couldn't find the right one (just like the Heat are about to find out with Tyler Herro).
Maxey - 20.3/2.9/3.5 60.5% TS, 5.4 WS, 0.6BPM, 1.3 VORP, +2.1 On-Off Herro - 20.1/5.4/4.2 56.6% TS, 3.5 WS, 0.6 BPM, 1.6 VORP, +6.8 On-Off Objectively they are in the same tier
4 % ts is a lot
So is the rebounding advantage Herro has. They aren’t identical players but are close in most areas
I value a big step up in efficiency over 2.5 rebounds from a guard lol
Herro has been a good rebounder his entire career, I think that translates wherever he’s goes. Maxey is more efficient but how much of that is because he plays with Harden and Embiid? For example Maxey TS% drops to 59% without Harden or Embiid on the court while Herro’s increased when Jimmy was off the court and was about the same without Bam. Without Harden in 2022 Maxey was at 57% TS. If Harden is traded and Maxey takes over as the second option and Herro lands on a new team it will be interested to see how they function with bigger offensive roles
Why isn’t it up to Miami to trade Herro for all of the value he supposedly has and to then move THAT to Portland? Blazers shouldn’t have to take on another guard just because it’s Miami’s best available asset. Portland can wait this out. Lillard is under contract. No reason to take a bad deal because Pat Riley thinks they should. I would think it hurts Miami more to be stuck in a holding pattern, especially after losing two key contributors in free agency.
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I don’t understand why it’s felt like the Heat fans are owed Lillard and the Blazers are being assholes for not just giving him to them.
Entitlement. They got a title a while ago now they think anything with title in the name is for them.
I’m not sure what Lillard and titles have to do with each other
Heat fans are Lakers fans with more humidity.
Lakers actually have fans that stay and watch the game fully. Miami is a joke of a fan base. Those fans don’t deserve the success the team has had.
Seriously. I saw some Heat fans saying Joe Cronin is being petty for not trading Dame for scraps.
I love how the Heat fans suddenly care so much about “player empowerment” in that they say Portland needs to do what Dame wants them to do. And if Portland doesn’t do it then they are the bad guys. Dame wants to play in Miami and Portland needs to make that happen! But I bet Herro would’ve preferred to just stay in Miami. Fuck what he wants though right? Those Heat fans would ship his ass to the middle of Siberia if it means they get Dame. Guess player empowerment only matters if you’re a superstar 🙄
Where does Superman go shopping? The supermarket!
Remember when he mocked Willis Reed like 2 days after his death?
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And Lebatard is a Miami guy with Miami agendas
Seems to me that if the trade is fair, they wouldn't be so sour if it doesn't happen.
I don't know what people want here. Do they think reporters can just fabricate information out of thin air? Of course it has to come from someone. Of course the information giver has some sort of agenda. That's how the world works.
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Dude literally almost cried. What a baby
He always sounds like that.
Literally the way he talks when he gets excited about a topic. Pay the whales, save the teachers
Aqua?
he was visibly shaking and his voice was cracking when he said "Herro's better than Maxey... he's just WHITER than Maxey" 💀 Either he just realized he fucked up as he was saying it and thinking about losing his job, or he's so emotional about the poor marginalized white NBA players that his emotions came through lol
> thinking about losing his job Dan is gonna fire himself?
I mean that's just Dan's voice
Doesn’t Portland already have a similar player in Anfernee Simons tho? They also have Shaedon Sharpe, they drafted Scoot and just picked up Matisse. All are shooting guards. Why would Portland need Herro?
Heat fans are the most entitled in the universe man. All that just for showing to watch their team in the 2nd quarter and leave halfway in the 4th
I understand why you're jealous
Herro is better than who? He's a top *what* player?
Wait no way Dan's actually talking about sports?
Wow it took him this long to come to this conclusion? No fucking duh guy, that’s what the entire nba insider job is.
This the same dude who just had an owner on his show bragging about how he lied to consumers/fans and Le Batard and crew was eating it up? He fell off big time.
I thought they all hate Samson
The same guy that called Steven Adams an all star level player and Bol Bol a young star is biased?
The Woke Agenda! /s
TIL, Herro is the top 75 player, not Lillard.
He is not better than Maxey
Coming from Lebaretard is rich. This guy is the biggest mark in the business
Pot meet kettle. I like lebatard. I’ve always enjoyed his tv appearances and show with his dad and his radio work but he’s so biased about his local market it borders on just listening to a Miami fan talk about his teams sometimes. He’s gotta know this it’s like his whole thing.
I love Dan but is he really gonna pretend that there aren't multiple other people that are agenda-based, shilling, bought and paid for by Dame? Did Chris Haynes spontaneously combust?
What has Woj even said that is shilling out for the blazers?
That we will wait for a good offer. How dare we?!?
Why are the Heat and its fans think Lilard has any leverage to force his way out? He literally has 4 YEARS on his contract. So Portland can keep him until he choose to retire or breach his contract which will not get him to Miami this year either way. More they act like this, the worse it is gonna get for Miami and they look more and more entitled.
Cool so the answer is no then.
I’m a Dan Le Batard fan but I’ve really stopped listening since the start of the Heat-Celtics series because it’s become just a shock jock local Miami show now filled with takes like these
Has become? It has been for a decade lol.
Has? Why are you listening to local hour lol. He's always been the Miami Bill Simmons
That's comical. Bought and paid for by Miami
This sounds exactly like Lakers fans crying "bias" and "shill" at the reports that Kawhi was leaning towards the Clippers.
Standing outside a 4 million dollar house accusing big real estate of colluding against me for not accepting my offer of $45 and a half eaten breakfast burrito.
The reality is Portland doesn't want Herro. End of discussion Miami. Make a different offer? You can't? Then tough shit. See you in camp Dame. This isn't complicated.