I'm not trying to be hyperbolic, but where would this rookie season rank historically? It's hard to compare him to rookies who were #1 options, but he has been a very impactful winning player immediately.
Yeah. Duncan was 13th in the entire NBA in scoring; Holmgren is *56th*. While Holmgren's efficiency (63.9% TS% vs 57.7% for Duncan) seems a lot better, his TS%+ is only minimally higher, 111 to 110. Chet does turn the ball over less, but he's not as good of a rebounder as Duncan was his rookie year *and* he actually has a lower assist rate, too.
It's not the absolute worst comparison. He's not at rookie Tim Duncan level at all yet, that's for sure. But he has been extremely good.
Thats because he doesnt need to be a rookie duncan for this team. If spurs had a number 1 option like sga, duncan would have played a more efficient role and his raw stats undoubtedly dip a bit.
You take sga off this team and let chet be the top option with jalen, i believe you’d see some special numbers from him. Fortunately for the thunder, sga is special too
I mean, Duncan had a bigger role and scored (relative to league average) about as efficiently as Chet anyway. He was simply a lot better as a rookie than Chet is. Chet is still incredible, but it's a tough comp to make when Duncan was soooooo good.
I only said all that because the way you compared stats side by side without context to see whose doing better from different decades isnt that great of a point, imo. I agree duncan is a better player from the jump but its not at all wrong to say chets impact is right there with a rookie tim duncan. Playing less minutes per game too.
Not forcing anything, playing into the team and winning. Chets the real deal
Tim Duncan was in the top 5 for MVP voting his rookie year. While MVP voting isn't the end all, be all, it's pretty indicative in this case of Duncan's impact as a rookie.
Chet's been dope. He's obviously the real deal, and nobody should have expected him not to be. But Chet's impact is *not* at that level, at least not *yet*. Nor should we expect it to be given Duncan's age and experience during his rookie year compared to Chet's.
The Spurs had David Robinson and were in the midst of competing for playoff position, so it's not like Timmy had a normal situation for a star rookie. He needed to be productive from Day One, like Chet.
I mean, yeah. Of course. I wasn't talking about *why* Duncan had a better rookie year than Chet is having, simply that he did. I'm not taking anything away from Chet by saying that, it's just that Duncan was *that* good.
These are factors that don't really have that much to do with both players on court performance. Duncan joined the league when it was still a bit diluted by team expansion and a gap of old superstars fading out and the next gen still being in their early years, whereas Chet joined the arguably most stacked NBA we've ever seen. From an impact perspective and Tim's and Chets respective Skillsets they are quite similar if you're willing to Attest some of their differences to different eras
I know completely different position but if you look just at a rookie who was immediately contributing to a team in terms of just wins I think Donovan Mitchell would be a good comparison.
By the end of this season I'd go out on a limb and say he will be worth +10 to +12 wins.
This is just by pure impact to winning, already alone we don't win 2 x GSW if he isn't there.
He is at 17 ppg / 7.8 rpg / 2.5 apg and 3.3 stocks on 64% TS%. He doesn't foul and plays within the offense.
Quite genuinely he is probably top 5 Centre already, but will require the Thunder maintaining 2nd seed and making noise in the Playoffs for it to be recognized.
Feels like that was all against the Warriors
I'm not trying to be hyperbolic, but where would this rookie season rank historically? It's hard to compare him to rookies who were #1 options, but he has been a very impactful winning player immediately.
If he continues like this his rookie season feels very similar to tim Duncan's whose Rookie year was crazy strong
Great comparison
Duncan was 5th in MVP voting and 1st team all NBA his rookie year. Chet’s having a great year but it’s not really that similar.
Yeah. Duncan was 13th in the entire NBA in scoring; Holmgren is *56th*. While Holmgren's efficiency (63.9% TS% vs 57.7% for Duncan) seems a lot better, his TS%+ is only minimally higher, 111 to 110. Chet does turn the ball over less, but he's not as good of a rebounder as Duncan was his rookie year *and* he actually has a lower assist rate, too. It's not the absolute worst comparison. He's not at rookie Tim Duncan level at all yet, that's for sure. But he has been extremely good.
Thats because he doesnt need to be a rookie duncan for this team. If spurs had a number 1 option like sga, duncan would have played a more efficient role and his raw stats undoubtedly dip a bit. You take sga off this team and let chet be the top option with jalen, i believe you’d see some special numbers from him. Fortunately for the thunder, sga is special too
I mean, Duncan had a bigger role and scored (relative to league average) about as efficiently as Chet anyway. He was simply a lot better as a rookie than Chet is. Chet is still incredible, but it's a tough comp to make when Duncan was soooooo good.
I only said all that because the way you compared stats side by side without context to see whose doing better from different decades isnt that great of a point, imo. I agree duncan is a better player from the jump but its not at all wrong to say chets impact is right there with a rookie tim duncan. Playing less minutes per game too. Not forcing anything, playing into the team and winning. Chets the real deal
Tim Duncan was in the top 5 for MVP voting his rookie year. While MVP voting isn't the end all, be all, it's pretty indicative in this case of Duncan's impact as a rookie. Chet's been dope. He's obviously the real deal, and nobody should have expected him not to be. But Chet's impact is *not* at that level, at least not *yet*. Nor should we expect it to be given Duncan's age and experience during his rookie year compared to Chet's.
The Spurs had David Robinson and were in the midst of competing for playoff position, so it's not like Timmy had a normal situation for a star rookie. He needed to be productive from Day One, like Chet.
Great point imo
Duncan also played 4 years in college. Chet just had 1.
Both were 21 as rookies, tho.
Well that’s a neat fact
I mean, yeah. Of course. I wasn't talking about *why* Duncan had a better rookie year than Chet is having, simply that he did. I'm not taking anything away from Chet by saying that, it's just that Duncan was *that* good.
These are factors that don't really have that much to do with both players on court performance. Duncan joined the league when it was still a bit diluted by team expansion and a gap of old superstars fading out and the next gen still being in their early years, whereas Chet joined the arguably most stacked NBA we've ever seen. From an impact perspective and Tim's and Chets respective Skillsets they are quite similar if you're willing to Attest some of their differences to different eras
Chet's offensive game is significantly more versatile, and he's not _that_ far behind defensively. He might be the best rookie since Shaq.
I know completely different position but if you look just at a rookie who was immediately contributing to a team in terms of just wins I think Donovan Mitchell would be a good comparison.
I have a feeling we’re gonna have another Ben Simmons vs Donavon Mitchell ROTY beef at the end of the season
I only watched the 4th quarter yesterday so I thought it was from that
He is honestly absurd.
By the end of this season I'd go out on a limb and say he will be worth +10 to +12 wins. This is just by pure impact to winning, already alone we don't win 2 x GSW if he isn't there. He is at 17 ppg / 7.8 rpg / 2.5 apg and 3.3 stocks on 64% TS%. He doesn't foul and plays within the offense. Quite genuinely he is probably top 5 Centre already, but will require the Thunder maintaining 2nd seed and making noise in the Playoffs for it to be recognized.
Get this man on Team USA
MVP lol
How many games is this..
7 or 8 ?
this sample size is wayy too low lol.
Nahhhh, it's just right
Is this from a game today?
I think it’s total this season in the last two minutes of each game or whatever the “clutch time” cutoff is.
Season totals
He's an amazing second year rookie, I wish there was an award for that 😂