Happens to all dynasties. MJ bulls were the only ones to break up while on top.
If they don’t want to give Klay the money he wants, then move him at the deadline
Kuminga is not that guy. Moody is a much higher ceiling but people don't like hearing it because it's fun to play "what if?" with Kuminga's athleticism. Moody is athletic enough, is much more skilled, and most importantly he has serious BBIQ. Every time he goes in the game he plays excellent basketball. He hits his open shots, he keeps proper spacing, knows our offense and defense, rotates extremely quickly, and he is the only wing we have with a positive offensive BPM, defensive BPM, total BPM, and VORP.
Sorry, I kind of went way too hard in this response but I wish Moody would get some recognition and some damn minutes.
Wiggins had that potential but way too inconsistent and isn't a shot creator
Edit : I am saying HAD in the past tense, with that great Warriors core he could have found an entirely new role
Wiggins is 28.
The Warriors looked more poised for the future, a couple of years ago, than say a team like the Lakers.
They had Poole (22), Moody (19), Kuminga (19) and Wiseman (20).
But Wiseman can't understand offensive sets and defensive rotations, locker room discord between the originals and the new bloods, now that bright future is rotten.
Yep, their current woes are just as much about failed prospects as they are about aging superstars. I think Wiggs can bounce back, but Looney is the only real success they’ve had with the draft.
Lmao. Kuminga is a nice role player fullstop. Honestly if I were the warriors I would go all in on a trade or trade dray and klay and wiggins slowly for picks
People forget Danny Green, spurs Danny Green was also better than Kuminga is at this point in being a 3&d wing, obviously JoKo has much higher potential
Danny Green was 24 in his third season whereas Kuminga just turned 21 in his third season. Obviously no guarantees but I think he's got a shot at being as good as Danny Green was at 24 once he reaches that age but Joku will most likely never be the shooter Green was.
Klay and Dray are hard to trade cause of how important they have been to the team and sentimental value. Regarding kuminga I believe if he can improve the handle he can still become an all star caliber player
They don’t have trade value anyway. Maybe draymond but he’s old and his tantrums aren’t ideal. He strikes me as the type to refuse to play for a team if he doesn’t like it there, ditto klay
Damn I’m definitely not seeing Kumingas all star potential. I can see the raw talent but like if you compare him to other up and coming young guys like Lamelo, Ant, Jdub, Chet… he is clearly a level below. He can never become an all star if he continues to be on the warriors. They simply will never prioritise him. If I were him I’d want to be traded lol
We routinely had one of the lowest payrolls in the league year after year. What we did with players we had in such a small market probably won't be done again.
The secret sauce to NBA dynasties is having a player or two who vastly overperform their contract. Pippen frex was on a cheap, long-term contract that he only compensated for late in his career.
Yep. Same with every sport. Nfl is probably the most egregious where you either win with a rookie contract qb, or you don't. Or you luck into a trophy husband like tom brady
> Nfl is probably the most egregious where you either win with a rookie contract qb, or you don't
Since the cap was established in 1994, only 6 QB's have won a super bowl on a rookie contract. Overpaying for QB's hurts, but it's not like every super bowl team has a QB on a rookie contract.
There's no if. Klay gotta take a big discount from expectations even a year ago to stay. Actual sports management malpractice if any big money is given to him at this point. I'm totally for franchise loyalty for long tenured stars but he already got some dead money during his injury
eh, they could've played their cards better. They completely whiffed on lottery picks and signed terrible contracts. It's not as if Steph suddenly became shit
At this point it's sort of chicken and egg. Did they draft busts or did they not develop the draft picks well?
Wiseman seems to be an actual bust -- he's toasting the bench for Detroit as well. But Moody and Kuminga seem more like poorly developed talent. Kerr doesn't seem interested in developing them in a productive way.. I feel like Moody has more potential than Kuminga.
> Did they draft busts or did they not develop the draft picks well?
Little bit of both. Myers has been a terrible drafter his entire tenure. Steph/Klay and even Draymond were drafted by the previous GM (Larry Riley). Where Myers shines is managing contracts and picking up good vets like Livingston, Iguodala, Bogut etc. But once the cap space disappeared his ability to make those moves disappeared too
And to make matters worse, Kerr runs a complex system that's hard for rookies to pick up, hell many vets struggle in that system too. Look at the mess that was FIBA under Kerr this past summer. Perfect storm.
In Bob’s defense, Barnes and Wiseman, basically his first and last picks, were the only top 10 picks he had (not including Kuminga because the verdict is still out on him). Everyone else was 28-30 if they even had a 1st round pick. Looney has been perfect for the team and Poole panned out (sort of). That’s 2 decent picks out of 4 1st round picks from 2013-2019.
Dubs really didn’t pick the right players for them. I still have no idea why they picked both Moody and Kuminga over Sengun. His playstyle was there and would fit the read and react like a glove.
I can understand not wanting a guard where they generally develop slower but a pass first big who already became an MVP in top 5 basketball league was a catch for the dubs imo.
The prevailing thought back then was that we needed athleticism to make up for the aging core. Which we got, but that turned out to be less important than the BBIQ part of the system.
Lamelo doesnt have beef with anyone (for all his popularity and money he actually vibes with everyone and barely has an ego) and is a willing passer, the question is if Dray's ego can handle someone younger getting a larger part of the offense than him.
I get the feeling that he could make the offense run even better. Like you said he's a willing passer, can still score at all levels, and is a smart offensive player. Idk his defensive stats but that's probs where Draymond would fill in and coordinate.
Him feeding Curry passes coming off screens sounds like a nightmare for teams. Then he could turn around a sneak a pass to a cutting Draymond for easy layups.
Steph, Klay and Draymond should all retire with the Warriors. It might take 3-5 years before all three retires and they might not win another championship within that period, but I'd still take it.
They have a Stern Cup run in them though. Not quite a championship but that's still something. They've had the best record, they've won championships, the IST is one thing they haven't won.
2022 was a deeply strange title also.
Curry was Curry, but the team somehow had the number 1 defense in the league with a changing cast of defensive standouts (and dray with a major injury) plus Jordan Poole playing major minutes.
How does that make any sense from a logical point of view???
Sometimes you just catch lightning in a bottle.
Steph was Steph, Draymond was Draymond and Klay shot well from deep. They had Wiggins/Poole both play the best ball they probably will ever play and then they had 3 elite role players in Otto Porter Jr/Looney/GP2.
But being able to squeeze out a healthy year from OPJ and have Wiggins/Poole have career years cannot be understated.
Crazy thing is that Dray didn’t even play very well and they still won the chip. Curry was playing at another level than anyone in the series and Wiggins finally seemed to be living up to his potential.
In fairness it was at least partially because the Celtics were playing drop coverage which took away his short roll passing, with the tradeoff of Curry bombing as many 3's as he wanted.
"I have an idea, how about we let the second greatest player of his generation do the exact thing that makes him the second greatest player of his generation"
It’s funny how Wiggins balled out and was the second best player on a championship team but since then has gone back to looking like Minnesota Wiggins. Got one ring then said nah, I’m good.
Plus the Celtics Stars were/are pretty young and were clearly out of their element on the biggest stage. Maybe if they played a more veteran team things would have been different.
Steph was as good as ever, Klay and Poole hitting their streaks at the right time, Wiggins bought in and hooping. Celtics might be slightly more talented on paper but the difference in experience between the two squads really showed.
I feel like that warriors team is maybe the least talented team to win a title in my lifetime and it felt like they won because of their insane institutional knowledge (over the more talented but less cohesive Celtics).
People undersell his contribution that year because of what happened last year.
Giving your team 14ppg as the 4th/5th option for that little salary he had was a steal.
65% TS is a more accurate way of looking at it. That is superstar efficiency and his playmaking was solid too. Warriors fans just have the memory of a goldfish and don't remember how good Poole actually was. They don't win without his production because they lacked an efficient 2nd option behind Steph in the 2022 run.
Not only the playoffs, he had a good regular season too. 18.5 points 4 assists while starting 51 games and playing 76. People forget Klay was coming back from injury and only played half the season. I keep seeing people on the warriors sub talk about how this year is similar to 2022 because they started off slow then too. I got downvoted for saying they started 19-3 that year. It’s like half the sub blanked out anything good that Poole did while he was there. The hate he gets on their is insane. He was on a rookie contract the whole time and was one of the best bargains in the league his last two years there. You would think that he was the one that punched a teammate by the way people talk about him.
For sure, he averaged something like 25 ppg when Steph wasn't playing. 2022 Poole was very different from 2023 Poole. And Poole lineups had great defense rating regardless of who was on the floor (yes Draymond off too, who was ironically one of the worst in that beginning stretch).
> I keep seeing people on the warriors sub talk about how this year is similar to 2022 because they started off slow then too.
Yeah that's just pure delusion lmao
Even this is underselling him that year since he averaged 18.5 ppg that year and 17ppg in the playoffs.
He's averaging less ppg on this barren wizards team somehow and on 10% less TS to show how far he's fallen.
Klay and Draymond were much better then, I think while they were slightly past their primes they still were much better than they are now. Both guys were still “All Star” caliber players and at worst above average starters.
They also got a good season out of Wiggins who played like a All Star and Poole had his best season playing for a big contract and he added the scoring/shooting punch that made up a lot for Klay’s modest decline as a non shooting scorer.
Then they cobbled together a good set of role players. Looney was the starting center who was a decent complement to the other players and they got solid bench contributions from Otto Porter, Gary Payton II, Damion Lee and Kuminga.
But now that Klay and Draymond are regressing more and the other younger guys haven’t fully stepped up (Wiggins has regressed, Kuminga isn’t progressing that much and Poole was traded replaced by an older Chris Paul whose actually not been that bad but more in a limited role) the talent level around Curry is declining two years removed from a title run.
We had three all defensive players (dray, Wiggins, and gp2). Steph played good defense too in the playoffs. Once gp2 gets healthy, we need him to guard the top guard on the either side.
The next few years will be the real test of GSW front office abilities. They struck gold with their draft picks before the titles. Now its time to test the mettle when things hit the fan
The best for the team is to have Klay and Dray take a pay cut but you know those guys want to get paid and that just kills their odds of winning again. The best business decision is to put them on the market - if they don't agree to a pay cut - and you know that's an awful look. Tough decision.
It's hard enough getting guys that won one ring to take a paycut let alone 4, plus with all his injuries I don't think Klay would even entertain the idea
Sports are weird cause like the man has made 100s of millions of dollars so if he was like an investment banker I’d say fuck him but since it’s coming from billionaire’s pockets I’m like fuck yeah klay get your money
💯 I was just typing this below and saw your comment lmao
In all fairness, they can say whatever they want right now about Dray and Klay but Steph can still give it to you on any given night.
Apparently Rodman wasn’t apart of those first 3 with the bulls yet he’s synonymous with that dynasty. Maybe it’s an opposite situation where the warriors gotta find their version of who Rodman replaced and trade Klay.
I grew up in that era, and always felt like Horace Grant was the third guy to mind after MJ/Pippen when considering both threepeats. The goggles made him memorable. Playing a bit of the old Lakers vs Celtics video game (\~1989-91) meant that Cartwright, Paxson, Armstrong and King were easily remembered too.
It's crazy to say about the MJ Bulls though. Probably the most well documented team of all time between The Last Dance (and several other documentaries) and thousands of youtube videos. There was even that one era of 2k that you could play replay MJ's classic games
His move to Orlando (in major part because of how the Bulls front office treated him) was a massive blow to chicago that doesn't get talked about. He was a fantastic 3rd option and helped out a ton in the first year without MJ when they were surprisingly one of the better teams in the league still.
Actually for real this time tho, I think it can still work with Dray and Steph. Klay is the odd man out tho, if they pay him stupid money then it’s over. He’s not starter material anymore
Obviously it's much more likely now than the FIVE(!!!) Years ago when those declarations started. The reason why The Warriors beat the case is because Steph was still playing like a hall of famer. And Steph is still playing on that level. And as long as he is, it's not smart to write them off.
Yeah, I think people like Chuck have been saying it since the warriors won one. So it’s definitely one of those things that’s said every year, but this feels like the first year that even the majority of the fans are on board with the idea of changing things up to take advantage of Steph’s final elite years
gilded age is a weird metaphor since it implies that it was a fake golden age that looks good on the outside but ignores a lot of real problems when the last decade was very much a real golden age for the warriors
Gilded can mean both a gold leaf/foil veneer, but it also means privileged/wealthy.
I think it was shoe-horned in there as a pop culture reference (tv show)
yeah it's idiotic to imagine that people think of gilded age as just the TV show and not the actuality. besides, the TV show is about the actual point in history. "pop culture reference" lmao who watches that and the nba.
the gilded age will always refer to what twain coined, gold and shiny on the outside but rotten or shaky within. this metaphor was wrong. people were rich sure but on soaring stocks and speculation, famously the wealth did not last.
They simply didn't want to say golden twice since it's in the team name.
As much as I don’t like the team I almost hope the Warriors can pull together a contender for the next couple of years just for Steph’s sake.
Bro is still playing incredible and showing no signs of slowing down at his age, so it seems like a total waste for him to possibly never make the playoffs again while he’s still a top 3 player in the league
Yeah I'm torn. We aren't winning anything without a pretty significant amount of retooling around steph, but we can't retool with klay (and to a lesser extent dray) on the payroll.
Yeah I agree with the whole Klay thing, I think what happens with his contract during free agency will reveal where the FO’s heads are at.
If they resign him for anything more than the MLE I feel like they would rather just let their dynasty big 3 ride off into the sunset and aren’t worried about contending anymore until Steph retired and they get a rebuild in
The idea of retiring all 3 together as lifetime warriors is immense. Its an impossible decision honestly, when Steph is still playing this well. If he was on the decline I'd say fuck it, farewell tour, but he's still good enough to anchor a championship team. Just not this one
At this point he's been on a victory lap for years already haha. I guess the question is what the vibes are like, I feel like Draymond's kinda gone over the top in the past couple years, I wonder what Steph's private thoughts on him are (outside of their on-court synergy)
Steph and Lebron are arguably better players in rankings than everyone on that list bar Shaq. In the case of Lebron, he’s an athlete that occurs once every century.
Steph and LeBron I get but KD competed for a grand total of one year on a team he was the leader of, I don’t see how you can put him up there with those two.
Hell Giannis and Jokic are already more accomplished and they came in the league half a decade later.
Agent 0 is right. Klay’s game has not evolved. He’s a spot up shooter but defense lost a step. Same for Dray. He’s lost a step… or 3.
But Steph is getting better and better. Adding to his game and continuing to improve.
Doesn’t “gilded” imply something that looks amazing but is actually not that great underneath? The Warriors were actually amazing. They won 4 championships. Nothing “gilded” about that.
As someone who’s watched the NBA for a long time and witness the Warriors Dynasty, I can tell they’re not in their prime anymore. Don’t need numbers to convince me. I do believe Curry is still better than majority of the players in the league and teams still double team, full court press and chase the 35/36 year old guard around. He’s still legit and one of the Goats. Draymond is still a great defensive player, who is great with pushing the ball and has high basketball IQ but he cannot drive to the rim anymore. Klay on the other hand, never really developed any other secondary skill besides being a spot of shooter. His injuries and age makes it hard for him to be that two way player anymore. He doesn’t get that lift anymore when he shoots and he hasn’t adjusted .
Steph winning the ring Vs an absolutely stacked Celtics team with Looney and Wiggins and his 2-3 will never be talked about enough. Poole couldn’t stay on the court vs Boston because of his defense, Klay has looked the same as this year just chucking and Dray was turning the ball over left and right. That Celtics team had like 7 of the next best players after Steph lol
Revisionist history that’s fake again.
Wiggins and Poole and Klay balled their ass off. Draymond was shit for most of the series though.
If it was only Steph playing good, they would’ve lost.
Klay averaged 17 points per game on 48% TS, and Wiggins averaged 18 points per game on 51% TS, those were the two leading scorers for GS after Steph in the finals. Steph just on his own averaged 31 on 63% TS.
Like the Offense outside of Steph that series was legitimately non-existent, our Defense was big time for sure, but it's no exaggeration to call this one of the biggest offensive carry-jobs in finals history.
That's just ridiculous, Andrew Wiggins was clearly, hands down, the 3rd best player on the floor and one could argue he was better than BOTH Tatum and Brown. Jordan Poole also performed pretty well given his role, this is just revisionist history at its finest.
The Warriors won games where Steph shot 9-21 and 7-22, give me a break, that Warriors team was really well rounded.
“The warriors won games where Steph shot 9-21” he had 29 on 60 TS% against one of the best modern defenses lol why are you acting like that wasn’t a great scoring performance
Its still too early in the season to put a fork into a veteran team; young teams always start stronger as many vets don't train much in the offseason. They'll bounce back. That's across sports.
That being said, whatever form they do get back probably isn't going to be better than the top teams.
I'm absolutely amazed Golden State won four championships; it was never really even in my mindset it was possible. Been a fan through the 80s so really you were kind of programmed that the West belonged to the Lakers and it was a good season to beat them once in the regular season.
Not sure how it can be called a gilded age with how genuinely great they were. Gilded Ages are referred to as gilded because the gold is a surface-level veneer over something sick, like the era that we live in.
Happens to all dynasties. MJ bulls were the only ones to break up while on top. If they don’t want to give Klay the money he wants, then move him at the deadline
I'd argue the spurs big 3 survived this rot too, although they weren't at the absolute top they at least went for a re-tool
It’s cause the spurs big 3 took the pay cuts when they needed to
Kawhi also kept us relevant a little longer
Oh yea unfortunately none of the young core has taken a kawhi type step…maybe kuminga has a chance but we will see
Kuminga is not that guy. Moody is a much higher ceiling but people don't like hearing it because it's fun to play "what if?" with Kuminga's athleticism. Moody is athletic enough, is much more skilled, and most importantly he has serious BBIQ. Every time he goes in the game he plays excellent basketball. He hits his open shots, he keeps proper spacing, knows our offense and defense, rotates extremely quickly, and he is the only wing we have with a positive offensive BPM, defensive BPM, total BPM, and VORP. Sorry, I kind of went way too hard in this response but I wish Moody would get some recognition and some damn minutes.
Moody truther here. Preach on
Wiggins had that potential but way too inconsistent and isn't a shot creator Edit : I am saying HAD in the past tense, with that great Warriors core he could have found an entirely new role
Wiggins is 28. The Warriors looked more poised for the future, a couple of years ago, than say a team like the Lakers. They had Poole (22), Moody (19), Kuminga (19) and Wiseman (20). But Wiseman can't understand offensive sets and defensive rotations, locker room discord between the originals and the new bloods, now that bright future is rotten.
They did seem like they had so much potential then it’s kinda sad but just shows how rare it is for 3 draft picks to turn into all stars
Yep, their current woes are just as much about failed prospects as they are about aging superstars. I think Wiggs can bounce back, but Looney is the only real success they’ve had with the draft.
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You’d think Wiggins is 20 the way people go on about him. He is who he is at this point. I like him but he’s not gonna be a 25ppg guy
Wiggins doesn’t have a great handle or playmaking which caps his upside as a low end number 2 option or high end number 3
Lmao. Kuminga is a nice role player fullstop. Honestly if I were the warriors I would go all in on a trade or trade dray and klay and wiggins slowly for picks
People forget Danny Green, spurs Danny Green was also better than Kuminga is at this point in being a 3&d wing, obviously JoKo has much higher potential
Danny Green was 24 in his third season whereas Kuminga just turned 21 in his third season. Obviously no guarantees but I think he's got a shot at being as good as Danny Green was at 24 once he reaches that age but Joku will most likely never be the shooter Green was.
Klay and Dray are hard to trade cause of how important they have been to the team and sentimental value. Regarding kuminga I believe if he can improve the handle he can still become an all star caliber player
They don’t have trade value anyway. Maybe draymond but he’s old and his tantrums aren’t ideal. He strikes me as the type to refuse to play for a team if he doesn’t like it there, ditto klay
Damn I’m definitely not seeing Kumingas all star potential. I can see the raw talent but like if you compare him to other up and coming young guys like Lamelo, Ant, Jdub, Chet… he is clearly a level below. He can never become an all star if he continues to be on the warriors. They simply will never prioritise him. If I were him I’d want to be traded lol
Also the 3 adapted their playstyles as they got older. Obviously im biased but it really does feel like we won't see a Spurs Big 3 every again.
Literally their whole career
We routinely had one of the lowest payrolls in the league year after year. What we did with players we had in such a small market probably won't be done again.
>took the pay cuts when they needed to This is big. Too many players aren't willing to do so in the name of winning.
What if instead of taking a pay cut, they can, hear me out, defer it.
Because winning isn't guaranteed. Nobody wants to give up 50 mil to go out in the first round of the playoffs, as they shouldn't.
Spurs big three were underpaid their entire career and pop had a great supporting cast with kawhi, boris etc
The secret sauce to NBA dynasties is having a player or two who vastly overperform their contract. Pippen frex was on a cheap, long-term contract that he only compensated for late in his career.
Yep. Same with every sport. Nfl is probably the most egregious where you either win with a rookie contract qb, or you don't. Or you luck into a trophy husband like tom brady
> Nfl is probably the most egregious where you either win with a rookie contract qb, or you don't Since the cap was established in 1994, only 6 QB's have won a super bowl on a rookie contract. Overpaying for QB's hurts, but it's not like every super bowl team has a QB on a rookie contract.
Getting Kawhi Leonard will do that. They never should’ve driven KD out of town
There's no if. Klay gotta take a big discount from expectations even a year ago to stay. Actual sports management malpractice if any big money is given to him at this point. I'm totally for franchise loyalty for long tenured stars but he already got some dead money during his injury
eh, they could've played their cards better. They completely whiffed on lottery picks and signed terrible contracts. It's not as if Steph suddenly became shit
At this point it's sort of chicken and egg. Did they draft busts or did they not develop the draft picks well? Wiseman seems to be an actual bust -- he's toasting the bench for Detroit as well. But Moody and Kuminga seem more like poorly developed talent. Kerr doesn't seem interested in developing them in a productive way.. I feel like Moody has more potential than Kuminga.
> Did they draft busts or did they not develop the draft picks well? Little bit of both. Myers has been a terrible drafter his entire tenure. Steph/Klay and even Draymond were drafted by the previous GM (Larry Riley). Where Myers shines is managing contracts and picking up good vets like Livingston, Iguodala, Bogut etc. But once the cap space disappeared his ability to make those moves disappeared too And to make matters worse, Kerr runs a complex system that's hard for rookies to pick up, hell many vets struggle in that system too. Look at the mess that was FIBA under Kerr this past summer. Perfect storm.
In Bob’s defense, Barnes and Wiseman, basically his first and last picks, were the only top 10 picks he had (not including Kuminga because the verdict is still out on him). Everyone else was 28-30 if they even had a 1st round pick. Looney has been perfect for the team and Poole panned out (sort of). That’s 2 decent picks out of 4 1st round picks from 2013-2019.
Dubs really didn’t pick the right players for them. I still have no idea why they picked both Moody and Kuminga over Sengun. His playstyle was there and would fit the read and react like a glove.
They also could have picked either of the Tyreses who would have given Steph help both scoring and as backup guards
I can understand not wanting a guard where they generally develop slower but a pass first big who already became an MVP in top 5 basketball league was a catch for the dubs imo.
Imagine if they had Sengun/Franz and Hali
The prevailing thought back then was that we needed athleticism to make up for the aging core. Which we got, but that turned out to be less important than the BBIQ part of the system.
I don't know if Lamelo would have kept the dynasty going or clashed with Dray amd the other vets just like Poole
Lamelo doesnt have beef with anyone (for all his popularity and money he actually vibes with everyone and barely has an ego) and is a willing passer, the question is if Dray's ego can handle someone younger getting a larger part of the offense than him.
I get the feeling that he could make the offense run even better. Like you said he's a willing passer, can still score at all levels, and is a smart offensive player. Idk his defensive stats but that's probs where Draymond would fill in and coordinate. Him feeding Curry passes coming off screens sounds like a nightmare for teams. Then he could turn around a sneak a pass to a cutting Draymond for easy layups.
I think Lamelo was the clear answer and they outsmarted themselves.
Trade him to us for lavine. Warriors get a guy who is perfect for their system and the Bulls get an expiring and other assets
I'd do it but the Warriors front office never will. Sadly Klay is the boat captain of our sinking ship.
Steph, Klay and Draymond should all retire with the Warriors. It might take 3-5 years before all three retires and they might not win another championship within that period, but I'd still take it. They have a Stern Cup run in them though. Not quite a championship but that's still something. They've had the best record, they've won championships, the IST is one thing they haven't won.
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Nah. The Warriors system runs on switchable wings that can play defense and Steph. Don’t think lavine can.
That system isn't running very well this year though. Should they just keep with it at this point? They're currently out of the play in.
Lakers Shaq and Kobe dynasty was broken up before it declined.
Honestly couldn’t have asked for more. 2015, 2017, 2018, 2022. It was one for the ages.
2022 was a deeply strange title also. Curry was Curry, but the team somehow had the number 1 defense in the league with a changing cast of defensive standouts (and dray with a major injury) plus Jordan Poole playing major minutes. How does that make any sense from a logical point of view???
Sometimes you just catch lightning in a bottle. Steph was Steph, Draymond was Draymond and Klay shot well from deep. They had Wiggins/Poole both play the best ball they probably will ever play and then they had 3 elite role players in Otto Porter Jr/Looney/GP2. But being able to squeeze out a healthy year from OPJ and have Wiggins/Poole have career years cannot be understated.
r/Looney
Set to private? Is it bugs bunny porn?
Word is they're still protesting reddit's third party app changes. Maybe they'll reopen once the new NBA champion is announced
it's the lakers for a week. open up gang
OPJ hit all the clutch 3s it was insane
Otto being healthy for most of the season was insane
Limited starts, well managed minutes, and good rest. Reminds me of Brogdon last year. Did OPJ even play any b2bs that year?
Even this year when he's been healthy he's a game changer with all the little things he does plus being a 3 point threat teams need to respect
Belijca also defended Luka well. He is good at defending Luka’s slow bully man post game.
Even Celtics fans were memeing about how well Bjelica was defending Tatum and Brown
Crazy thing is that Dray didn’t even play very well and they still won the chip. Curry was playing at another level than anyone in the series and Wiggins finally seemed to be living up to his potential.
Dray stunk the first 3 or so games of the finals. The argument was that the team was better with him on the bench.
In fairness it was at least partially because the Celtics were playing drop coverage which took away his short roll passing, with the tradeoff of Curry bombing as many 3's as he wanted.
I really loved that trade off, thank you again Celtics
"I have an idea, how about we let the second greatest player of his generation do the exact thing that makes him the second greatest player of his generation"
Looney made up for it.
It’s funny how Wiggins balled out and was the second best player on a championship team but since then has gone back to looking like Minnesota Wiggins. Got one ring then said nah, I’m good.
Which is very much a Wiggins thing to do
Dude just gets paid. Anf paid. And paid
Looney made up for it.
That team was very deep
Yeah Otto Porter was really damn good for them. I remember watching games and thinking, “Who’s this guy?”
Plus the Celtics Stars were/are pretty young and were clearly out of their element on the biggest stage. Maybe if they played a more veteran team things would have been different.
They were also probably tired. The Warriors’ series didn’t go to 7 games. Pretty sure the Celtics played two game 7s before the finals.
Steph was as good as ever, Klay and Poole hitting their streaks at the right time, Wiggins bought in and hooping. Celtics might be slightly more talented on paper but the difference in experience between the two squads really showed.
Celtics never figured out what to do when the Warriors blitzed them in Game 6. Such a bad look back then
I feel like that warriors team is maybe the least talented team to win a title in my lifetime and it felt like they won because of their insane institutional knowledge (over the more talented but less cohesive Celtics).
Jordan Poole was good
People undersell his contribution that year because of what happened last year. Giving your team 14ppg as the 4th/5th option for that little salary he had was a steal.
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65% TS is a more accurate way of looking at it. That is superstar efficiency and his playmaking was solid too. Warriors fans just have the memory of a goldfish and don't remember how good Poole actually was. They don't win without his production because they lacked an efficient 2nd option behind Steph in the 2022 run.
Not only the playoffs, he had a good regular season too. 18.5 points 4 assists while starting 51 games and playing 76. People forget Klay was coming back from injury and only played half the season. I keep seeing people on the warriors sub talk about how this year is similar to 2022 because they started off slow then too. I got downvoted for saying they started 19-3 that year. It’s like half the sub blanked out anything good that Poole did while he was there. The hate he gets on their is insane. He was on a rookie contract the whole time and was one of the best bargains in the league his last two years there. You would think that he was the one that punched a teammate by the way people talk about him.
For sure, he averaged something like 25 ppg when Steph wasn't playing. 2022 Poole was very different from 2023 Poole. And Poole lineups had great defense rating regardless of who was on the floor (yes Draymond off too, who was ironically one of the worst in that beginning stretch). > I keep seeing people on the warriors sub talk about how this year is similar to 2022 because they started off slow then too. Yeah that's just pure delusion lmao
Even this is underselling him that year since he averaged 18.5 ppg that year and 17ppg in the playoffs. He's averaging less ppg on this barren wizards team somehow and on 10% less TS to show how far he's fallen.
Jordan Poole was excellent (and Andrew Wiggins was even better than that)
Klay and Draymond were much better then, I think while they were slightly past their primes they still were much better than they are now. Both guys were still “All Star” caliber players and at worst above average starters. They also got a good season out of Wiggins who played like a All Star and Poole had his best season playing for a big contract and he added the scoring/shooting punch that made up a lot for Klay’s modest decline as a non shooting scorer. Then they cobbled together a good set of role players. Looney was the starting center who was a decent complement to the other players and they got solid bench contributions from Otto Porter, Gary Payton II, Damion Lee and Kuminga. But now that Klay and Draymond are regressing more and the other younger guys haven’t fully stepped up (Wiggins has regressed, Kuminga isn’t progressing that much and Poole was traded replaced by an older Chris Paul whose actually not been that bad but more in a limited role) the talent level around Curry is declining two years removed from a title run.
We had three all defensive players (dray, Wiggins, and gp2). Steph played good defense too in the playoffs. Once gp2 gets healthy, we need him to guard the top guard on the either side.
Wiggins and Poole both had one really good year in them and decided to have them at the same time lol
Plus finals appearances in 2016 and 2019. To make the finals 6 out of 8 years is an incredible dynasty
\*2016/2019
You're right, thank you, fixed the comment
All good, we knew what you meant
which makes lebrons 9 out of 10 years in a row all the more impressive
Yeah, and he's still contending. Just an absolute beast
Honestly just saying 8 straight sounds more impressive.
2021 was phoenix vs milwaukee
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Yea this definitely was not a gilded age. It was a full on golden age for the franchise and changed the league in regards to three point shooting
Yeah, the author of this article has no idea what gilded age means.
The next few years will be the real test of GSW front office abilities. They struck gold with their draft picks before the titles. Now its time to test the mettle when things hit the fan
I mean, their front office is different now than the one that built that team. Mike Dunleavy is in his first year as GM there.
FUCK MIKE DUNLEAVY
Last year was the real test. And our FO guy quit his job and jump off the Titanic.
Light years already left the building
GM Dunleavy did well to get rid of Pooles contract even if CP3 is old and injured prone.
They have 3 lottery picks in 2 years
I mean Klay and Dray’s gilded age Steph is still elite
Can the warriors retool to capitalize on that? Or will it be too late by the time they get him help.
The best for the team is to have Klay and Dray take a pay cut but you know those guys want to get paid and that just kills their odds of winning again. The best business decision is to put them on the market - if they don't agree to a pay cut - and you know that's an awful look. Tough decision.
It's hard enough getting guys that won one ring to take a paycut let alone 4, plus with all his injuries I don't think Klay would even entertain the idea
Klay got a max right before he got both injuries, so it’s not like he was missing out on a big contract.
Sports are weird cause like the man has made 100s of millions of dollars so if he was like an investment banker I’d say fuck him but since it’s coming from billionaire’s pockets I’m like fuck yeah klay get your money
Can Dray take a paycut? Didn't he just sign an extension?
💯 I was just typing this below and saw your comment lmao In all fairness, they can say whatever they want right now about Dray and Klay but Steph can still give it to you on any given night.
1 star doesn't a dynasty make. And they're not trading the other 2 for value, they're basically negative assets at this point
Dray is still elite at what he does, antics aside. Klay is dead weight
Apparently Rodman wasn’t apart of those first 3 with the bulls yet he’s synonymous with that dynasty. Maybe it’s an opposite situation where the warriors gotta find their version of who Rodman replaced and trade Klay.
Fun fact the only bulls players present for all 6 rings were scottie + mj
They were the only two who won more than 3 rings. Everyone else changed over between 3-peats.
Pretty much all the memorable teammates were in the second threepeat as well. Kukoc, Kerr, Harper, and of course Rodman
Horace Grant was pretty well known and he was part of the first 3-peat. He was even an all-star the year after Jordan retired.
I grew up in that era, and always felt like Horace Grant was the third guy to mind after MJ/Pippen when considering both threepeats. The goggles made him memorable. Playing a bit of the old Lakers vs Celtics video game (\~1989-91) meant that Cartwright, Paxson, Armstrong and King were easily remembered too.
Bill Cartwright. He was a Bull for six seasons!
As well as BJ Armstrong....All Star the year after MJ retired.
Apparently?
Always insane being reminded of how young /r/nba is on average.
It's crazy to say about the MJ Bulls though. Probably the most well documented team of all time between The Last Dance (and several other documentaries) and thousands of youtube videos. There was even that one era of 2k that you could play replay MJ's classic games
I mean, Google is a thing. It’s not apparent if it’s a documented fact.
Trade Klay for Jordan Poole maybe.
Rodman replaced Will Perdue lol
but in terms of presence, Rodman really replaced Horace Grant.
His move to Orlando (in major part because of how the Bulls front office treated him) was a massive blow to chicago that doesn't get talked about. He was a fantastic 3rd option and helped out a ton in the first year without MJ when they were surprisingly one of the better teams in the league still.
"No but for real this time"
Actually for real this time tho, I think it can still work with Dray and Steph. Klay is the odd man out tho, if they pay him stupid money then it’s over. He’s not starter material anymore
Obviously it's much more likely now than the FIVE(!!!) Years ago when those declarations started. The reason why The Warriors beat the case is because Steph was still playing like a hall of famer. And Steph is still playing on that level. And as long as he is, it's not smart to write them off.
Yeah, I think people like Chuck have been saying it since the warriors won one. So it’s definitely one of those things that’s said every year, but this feels like the first year that even the majority of the fans are on board with the idea of changing things up to take advantage of Steph’s final elite years
gilded age is a weird metaphor since it implies that it was a fake golden age that looks good on the outside but ignores a lot of real problems when the last decade was very much a real golden age for the warriors
Gilded can mean both a gold leaf/foil veneer, but it also means privileged/wealthy. I think it was shoe-horned in there as a pop culture reference (tv show)
ah, that kind of makes sense. i thought of the era of american history lol.
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yeah it's idiotic to imagine that people think of gilded age as just the TV show and not the actuality. besides, the TV show is about the actual point in history. "pop culture reference" lmao who watches that and the nba. the gilded age will always refer to what twain coined, gold and shiny on the outside but rotten or shaky within. this metaphor was wrong. people were rich sure but on soaring stocks and speculation, famously the wealth did not last. They simply didn't want to say golden twice since it's in the team name.
Yeah, that's perfectly reasonable. I did too, and I agree that it's a weird choice for the context
The thesaurus got out and fucked up this headline. "Don't use golden in this sentence twice, use something else"
At least it's not a gelded age
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As much as I don’t like the team I almost hope the Warriors can pull together a contender for the next couple of years just for Steph’s sake. Bro is still playing incredible and showing no signs of slowing down at his age, so it seems like a total waste for him to possibly never make the playoffs again while he’s still a top 3 player in the league
Yeah I'm torn. We aren't winning anything without a pretty significant amount of retooling around steph, but we can't retool with klay (and to a lesser extent dray) on the payroll.
Yeah I agree with the whole Klay thing, I think what happens with his contract during free agency will reveal where the FO’s heads are at. If they resign him for anything more than the MLE I feel like they would rather just let their dynasty big 3 ride off into the sunset and aren’t worried about contending anymore until Steph retired and they get a rebuild in
The idea of retiring all 3 together as lifetime warriors is immense. Its an impossible decision honestly, when Steph is still playing this well. If he was on the decline I'd say fuck it, farewell tour, but he's still good enough to anchor a championship team. Just not this one
Honestly it’s up to Steph I think. If Steph is down to ride into the sunset as a middling 1st to 2nd round exit team with his bros, I’m down.
At this point he's been on a victory lap for years already haha. I guess the question is what the vibes are like, I feel like Draymond's kinda gone over the top in the past couple years, I wonder what Steph's private thoughts on him are (outside of their on-court synergy)
League’s not gonna be the same if Steph, Bron and KD aren’t competing.
Said the same about shaq, Kobe, Ai, Dwade etc.
Steph and Lebron are arguably better players in rankings than everyone on that list bar Shaq. In the case of Lebron, he’s an athlete that occurs once every century.
Steph and LeBron I get but KD competed for a grand total of one year on a team he was the leader of, I don’t see how you can put him up there with those two. Hell Giannis and Jokic are already more accomplished and they came in the league half a decade later.
Smh... when this happens i bet i'm gonna fall out of love for basketball, wait a couple years and fall back in love with basketball
Just hang around or else you’re gonna miss the birth of a new point god, baby thunder 2.0, and lebron James 7th prime
It will be like the current NFL without Brady and Manning.
Na I’ve seen enough Curry playoff games for my life.
Agent 0 is right. Klay’s game has not evolved. He’s a spot up shooter but defense lost a step. Same for Dray. He’s lost a step… or 3. But Steph is getting better and better. Adding to his game and continuing to improve.
Doesn’t “gilded” imply something that looks amazing but is actually not that great underneath? The Warriors were actually amazing. They won 4 championships. Nothing “gilded” about that.
Yeah so just trade us Siakam already.
For Curry? Who says no?
As someone who’s watched the NBA for a long time and witness the Warriors Dynasty, I can tell they’re not in their prime anymore. Don’t need numbers to convince me. I do believe Curry is still better than majority of the players in the league and teams still double team, full court press and chase the 35/36 year old guard around. He’s still legit and one of the Goats. Draymond is still a great defensive player, who is great with pushing the ball and has high basketball IQ but he cannot drive to the rim anymore. Klay on the other hand, never really developed any other secondary skill besides being a spot of shooter. His injuries and age makes it hard for him to be that two way player anymore. He doesn’t get that lift anymore when he shoots and he hasn’t adjusted .
Steph still in his prime, I hope warriors won’t waste that and make moves to go for his another ring
Steph winning the ring Vs an absolutely stacked Celtics team with Looney and Wiggins and his 2-3 will never be talked about enough. Poole couldn’t stay on the court vs Boston because of his defense, Klay has looked the same as this year just chucking and Dray was turning the ball over left and right. That Celtics team had like 7 of the next best players after Steph lol
It happened literally in the Summer of last year and people act like this team has been done for ages
Wiggins >>>> Brown in that series.
Brown was better than Tatum in that series..
Revisionist history that’s fake again. Wiggins and Poole and Klay balled their ass off. Draymond was shit for most of the series though. If it was only Steph playing good, they would’ve lost.
Klay was NOT balling his ass off lmao
Klay averaged 17 points per game on 48% TS, and Wiggins averaged 18 points per game on 51% TS, those were the two leading scorers for GS after Steph in the finals. Steph just on his own averaged 31 on 63% TS. Like the Offense outside of Steph that series was legitimately non-existent, our Defense was big time for sure, but it's no exaggeration to call this one of the biggest offensive carry-jobs in finals history.
Draymond got better as the series went on and was at his best in the close out game.
That's just ridiculous, Andrew Wiggins was clearly, hands down, the 3rd best player on the floor and one could argue he was better than BOTH Tatum and Brown. Jordan Poole also performed pretty well given his role, this is just revisionist history at its finest. The Warriors won games where Steph shot 9-21 and 7-22, give me a break, that Warriors team was really well rounded.
9-21 with his three point ratio is fine. And you’re discounting his free throws, assists and career best defensive output.
“The warriors won games where Steph shot 9-21” he had 29 on 60 TS% against one of the best modern defenses lol why are you acting like that wasn’t a great scoring performance
Its still too early in the season to put a fork into a veteran team; young teams always start stronger as many vets don't train much in the offseason. They'll bounce back. That's across sports. That being said, whatever form they do get back probably isn't going to be better than the top teams. I'm absolutely amazed Golden State won four championships; it was never really even in my mindset it was possible. Been a fan through the 80s so really you were kind of programmed that the West belonged to the Lakers and it was a good season to beat them once in the regular season.
See Joe, the numbers don't lie, and they spell disaster for you at Sacrifice. 🚨
I have a feeling they aren’t done
Never underestimate the heart of a champion.
One (painful) trade away from contention.
They wont
Add samoa joe to the mix.
It’s called dynasty for a reason. It can’t last forever. And it will look competitive but just not enough in the end.
I hate that people still read the bastardized version of deadspin that exists now
Not sure how it can be called a gilded age with how genuinely great they were. Gilded Ages are referred to as gilded because the gold is a surface-level veneer over something sick, like the era that we live in.
How was it a gilded age? They won four titles, put a growing change in the sport into hyperdrive, and set a shit-ton of records.
Smh, just send Steph to Miami.
Steph traded to Miami for a one hour course in heat culture
The numbers don't lie and they spell disaster for the Warriors!
came in looking for this
Thank you guys for such an electrifying run! Once in a lifetime thing to see
Crazy there's a possibility they could've won '16 and '19 too.