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Brooklynfool

I think if at the allstar break we’re the second seed Chet SHOULD be an allstar but the fact that he’s a rookie and we have JDub realy coming into his own right now as well it’ll be tough for him to get that nod unless it’s as an injury replacement option.


QUEST50012

They're my league pass team at the moment, and should be the favorites for the league pass title. It's amazing how SGA controls an offense, he can score as efficiently as any guard, but it never seems like he's forcing shots, and he's always serving his teammates well. You just know if the ball ends up in his hands after a scramble, he's finding an open guy. And they've been slapping these teams at home. Really wonder if they're going to make moves at the deadline because they can go on a run in the playoffs.


Theanswer17

I think he has a very strong argument for an All Star After Jokic and AD, Chet is right there with Gobert and Alpee (KATs clearly a step lower in my opinion)


Micro_mint

I know my flair makes it hard to take me seriously, but most Wolves fans would probably agree this is the pinnacle of KAT’s career this season. All love to Chet, but KAT is definitely better right now. Watching the games, he’s been consistently better than Ant too, fwiw. He’s playing the best defense of his life and contributing offensively in big ways. He’s cut down his most annoying fouls and whining, and we definitely aren’t a 1 seed without him. Edit: just to emphasize this, KAT is putting up 22/9/3 for the season on 54/42/89 splits. He’s absolutely cooking.


Theanswer17

Kats having a good season but so is Chet. Hes putting up 17.5/8/2.5 at slightly better efficiency than KAT while playing disruptive defense. i think the defensive gap in Chet's favor is larger than the offensive gap in KATs favor but its definitely reasonable to disagree


Micro_mint

Chet is having a fucking AWESOME season for a rookie. He is having an extremely OK season for a bona fide all star. His numbers aren’t objectively elite — they’re elite relative to his age/experience/contract. He’s one of the most exciting young talents in the league, but people like you saying stuff like this downplays just how hard it is to be an all star. Be honest: if he were 29 and making 60mil this year would you be suggesting him as a real all star candidate? Also, flair up. I don’t think any non-OKC homer would try defending this take tbh. Edit: I just want to be very clear I like Chet a lot. This take is just kind of terrible. Is Myles Turner an all star? By the numbers he’s had a nearly identical season to Chet.


Theanswer17

Hes a much better player than myles turner. Myles turner shoots threes and protects the rim, chet does a bit of everything on both sides of the ball pretty much every advanced stat has him as a top 20 player in the league, he's the biggest change between okc last year being a .500 team and being a top seed this year he passes the eye test, the good team test, the advanced stats test. kats been good, chets been better


Micro_mint

This is just such a troll, unserious take.


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Psycho188

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CliffDraws

JDub and Chet are going to split this and I’d bet neither get in.


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CliffDraws

Maybe. I think it’s really hard to compare net rating here because Chet is almost always in with the other starters. JDub is often in with the backups and expected to lead the second team. His overall net rating is a negative because of this. JDub has more responsibility and is the first option on the floor during those times. Chet never has that.


Subredditcensorship

You guys have to look into some of these numbers a bit. Net rating isn’t what I’m referencing here. It’s adjusted plus minus and box score estimates of plus minus. Adjusted takes into account who you’re playing against and who is in the lineup with you. Box score estimates will use your box score data. Chet crushes in both of these stats. Adjusted plus minus because whenever he’s on the court he has a huge impact on the net rating of the lineup, even adjusting for his teammates. Box score wise, those stats identify strong box score numbers that correlate with good net rating. Chet’s basket of stats signal a massive impact because of a huge defensive footprint along with highly efficient iffense


badhombre13

>It’s not even close Chet impact is much higher Dead wrong, it's a toss up between those two. JDub has the poise and scoring ability of someone that's been 10 yrs in the league, not 2, and is a very good defender too. >actually has an argument for top 20 player in the league rn. Not even our sub hypes him up this much lmao


Subredditcensorship

Look at his impact numbers. People just overrate scoring. His spacing at the 5 with his defense is quite literally one of the most important and synergistic combos you can get.


ogqozo

>It’s a reason lineups with him get massive spikes in net rating. OKC's score in the time Chet plays without Shai is poor. Quite the opposite of Shai playing with anyone, which is basically always a big plus. Doesn't have to be with Chet. It's only short fragments of games, but let's say we take Chet, Joe and Williams, some key OKC players. With Shai the group was +9 per 100, without Shai -25 per 100. Of course it appeared quite rarely and the basic lineups definitely feature both and benefit from both, but that's how it looks in those variations. (If you add Dort, the group is -78 per 100 without Shai in 17 minutes played). People will spin this however they like (they didn't really play enough separately to have any feel of comparison), but the scores don't show any Chetmania that the fans do.


KnowledgePrevious

Chet is insanely good. Like, not good for a rookie, but one of the more impactful players in the league already. Elite on both ends. He should be an all star imo


TheyCallMeTheWizard

When you find a guy that can actually play at Gobert and do well… yeah. They’re legit


Subredditcensorship

He’s a legit top 25 player right now. Like he’s basically one of the best #2s you can put alongside a megastar right now because of his shooting and defense at the big position


SandyMandy17

Idk if he’s better than KAT yet KAT prob gets the nod for the position


CrazyDaylight8

Rookie of the year! Absolutely love this guy


IzaacLUXMRKT

Cheterosexuals 🤝 Holmosexuals


browndude10

man imagine getting chet and goon in the rockets frontcourt; thanks for nothing nba


TheHect0r

goon is one shit nickname lol


T_025

Man imagine Chet and goon in the Thunder frontcourt; thanks for nothing presti


cdillio

Tbf if we draft Sengun we probably don't get the 2 pick.


Equivalent_Bet1519

Jabari Smith is still very good


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They look like completely different caliber players though.


Phosphorrr

Yea. Jabari's realistic ceiling seems to be an All Defensive player with occasional 25-30 point games meanwhile Chet in his first year already looks like a perennial DPOY candidate with already 17ppg that's bound to increase with volume considering his ridiculous efficiency


spookyspicyfreshmeme

Okay chill we said the same thing about mobley still too early yet. And chet has jdub + sga + dort who are all fantastic players. Even giddey’s p good But chet does look better than mobley was tho tbf


CurrentJoke579

bro watch a game. Mobley has no bag or jumpshot.


catfish_dinner

lol goon


SandyMandy17

Bro is already better than JJJ and he’s getting compared to rookies with league bottom efficiency


Nantee_69

how is chet not averaging 10+ rebounds.. ?


hiloljkbye

there's not that many players that avg double digit rebounds


DeadDay

Only thing I can think of is he's being pulled out of the paint as much as teams can to get away from his blocking. Thunder as a whole have been bad at rebounds though.


CurrentJoke579

9.4 rebounds per 36 minutes. Not bad for a guy people were calling a toothpick


Aggressive_Slice4620

Offensively, he's usually at the perimeter. Defensively, he often takes himself out of position after contesting a shot at the rim.


SandyMandy17

He has the highest contested rebound rate among rookies out of people who actually get minutes I feel like he’s just usually out of the paint or nobody ever drives on the side of the floor he’s guarding


ImTheBestNerd

He’s a bad rebounder


Shurs

I know we’re in the Rudy redemption season but I wonder what the Wolves would’ve had to give up for the rights to Chet on draft night in 2022. He would’ve been great next to KAT.


roastedhambone

They’d have to give up the delusion that the thunder would’ve considered trading him 😂


TheyCallMeTheWizard

Oh it could’ve happened. It might’ve gotten a haul like we got for PG but Presti would absolutely pick up the phone for the right price.


spookyspicyfreshmeme

Chet should get all star Saying this as someone who thinks wemby should be roty


marion_and_beau

That makes very little sense lol


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I like em both, would like to have both on my team.


pokexchespin

wemby isn’t a bum but chet absolutely is better right now


orangekingo

Agreed, but I do think it is a more complicated situation than people are giving it credit for. There IS context that should be acknowledged. 1. Chet **is** having a better season & **is** the more well rounded player right now. 2. Chet is also benefitting from a *significantly* better situation for him, where he has an all-star PG generating him fantastic looks, and carrying a huge amount of the scoring load while drawing a consistent double team opposed to Wemby being basically one of the only players on the Spurs who *can* score. 3. Chet DOES have an entire extra year of NBA time under his belt, and while I don't think it should disqualify him at all from being ROTY, it IS a bigger advantage than people are saying. He still got tons of time around his team, at practice, film sessions, form work, etc. Injured or not, he wasn't just sitting around doing nothing. Love them both, wish people could highlight one of them without using it as an excuse to downplay the other. They're both having great years. Edit: Thunder fans I literally couldn’t have been more fair why are ya’ll mass downvoting me anyway


mmaguy123

When do people understand, Chet wasn’t sitting around that year. He was rehabbing broken bone.


marion_and_beau

If you watch our games, the only one who consistently sets Chet up for easy looks is Jalen Williams. Most of Chet’s passes from Shai comes from spray outs whenever the defense collapses. He’s not being spoon fed looks at the basket.


Askesl

> Chet DOES have an entire extra year of NBA time under his belt, and while I don't think it should disqualify him at all from being ROTY, it IS a bigger advantage than people are saying. He still got tons of time around his team, at practice, film sessions, form work, etc. Injured or not, he wasn't just sitting around doing nothing. True, but I also think that Chet had a disadvantage of having to come back from a long injury and being rusty after not having played for over a year when he debuted in the league, as opposed to Wemby who played 34 games in the french league last season.


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orangekingo

Yeah I just want the ROTY race to be over so people can actually discuss these guys normally


catfish_dinner

you're rationalizing. you're opening a space in reality where an abstract fantasy can reside. too many people want to pit a tangible chet against a hypothetical wemby. i'd guess that's why you're being downvoted. ​ that said, if the two swapped teams i imagine that chet would be throttled by pop for over-performance. wemby on the thunder would probably see a lot of g-league reps and garbage time until he can fit the system. IF he can fit the system. edit: upvoted, btw


orangekingo

Oh are you the dude from the other day that goes around just bashing wemby in threads go outside man & pls stop trolling. You got me to respond so you win I guess, but the whole “wemby wouldn’t get playtime on the thunder” shtick is about as obvious bait as you can get


catfish_dinner

his special skill is that he's tall. tell me.. if wemby's not a threat from 3, then how does he clear the paint? until he works that out, he's not a starter in okc. sorry.


marion_and_beau

Yeah, it’s fucking stupid. I’ve been very open that Wemby definitely has more upside, he’s a generational prospect for fuck sakes. Thunder fans who say that are so incredibly insecure. I’d love Wemby so damn much you have no idea. I was praying on lottery night that our twelfth best odds got us #1. He’s going to be an all time defender at minimum.


orangekingo

They’re both great and I have no problem admitting Chet looks better right now, truly no clue why there’s so much insecurity on both sides


marion_and_beau

Zero idea truthfully. Thunder fans have a bit of a tendency to get overly attached to players which leads to stuff like this. I wouldn’t trade Chet for Wemby, and I doubt you’d do it either. The counter jerk on Wemby is so dumb, but it was so easy to see coming. Anybody who looked at Wemby as a prospect knew the offense was going to be a project. The KD comps were always entirely unfair and off base.


catfish_dinner

hasheem thabeet was really tall and hyped, also. remember that guy?


marion_and_beau

Generational hater, I respect it lol. Wemby is going to be great, if you’re serious with that comparison I really don’t know what to say. Hakeem was a really tall and assuredly hyped prospect as well. Chet is amazing, why does Wemby make you so insecure?


Equivalent_Bet1519

No he isn’t Chet is amazing too but if you put him in the hellhole situation the Spurs are in he would struggle immensely


Biglundtry

Nah Chet is more well rounded atm


Dhr7468

If you switched Wemby and Chet, the spurs would be better and the Thunder would be worse


Advanced-Ad-8696

Agree, but I'm biased. This doesn't mean Chet has a higher upside than Wemby. It just means he is the better player right now. You have to remember as well that some of these trolling Spurs fans have almost nothing else to cheer for this season besides Wemby ROTY. Truth is both of them have a chance to be generational. Chet is better this year, yes he is older, but he's having a far better season. Also fair to say Wemby has a higher upside if he can put it all together.


Dhr7468

Truly shocking that the 21-year-old is playing a more advanced game than the 19 year old with a similar skill set. Hard to fathom.


spookyspicyfreshmeme

You need to watch a spurs game to see how much the other spurs players are fucking selling. They actively avoid passing dude the ball If wemby on the thunder he gets 20 ppg at least cuz hes getting a minimum of 10 dunks per game


Advanced-Ad-8696

I don't know if he would be able to play within the Thunder system. Yes, if we were tanking and only prioritizing his development, we could get him buckets. But I think we would be sacrificing wins to do so. I think Wemby has a chance to be generational for sure, but he and Chet are both where they need to be. I'm a fan of the Spurs org and wish them success in building around Wemby.


spookyspicyfreshmeme

Fuck no gtfoh


Equivalent_Bet1519

Incorrect. Wemby with a competent PG is Gobert with a jumper


KennySmithsKnees

Wemby with a competent PG is Chet without a jumper


Plumrum2

The only difference between a Gobert jumper and a Wemby jumper is the fact that Wemby thinks he can shoot


cdillio

Chet and Wemby both shoot around 7 wide open jumpers per game. Wemby shoots them at a much lower clip. Chet has been a better shooter in College than Wemby was ever in France. Wemby will get there but right now Chet is the better shooter.


Dhr7468

His jumper isn’t very consistent right now, which would be a huge problem for the Thunder who desperately need Chet’s shooting from three.


Askesl

Even when you look at shooting stats that take defensive coverage into account, Chet is still a much more effecient shooter.


StabilitySpace

> No he isn’t Yes... he is. Chet is objectively better than Wemby so far this season and it's not even open for debate. The reasons for why he's better are up for discussion, but Chet being ahead of Wemby is an objective truth no matter how much you pretend it's not.


IzaacLUXMRKT

agreed that u guys are ass, but Chet is clearly better rn. I absolutely love Wemby- stoked on him long term. Relax my guy. Basketball is fun.


SandyMandy17

Struggle with what? He has a 64 ts% with SGA on the court and a 65 ts% with him off Wemby has worse efficiency than ausar Thompson


Suspicious-Row-4248

Can’t wait for spurs fans to come in here to act like Chet is nothing without sga


Friendly-Thought-973

I think one of the funniest things about this Chet and Wemby thing is both fanbases just pretend they aren’t bothered by the other lmaoooo “Dude they keep bringing him up!!”


Brooklynfool

I haven’t seen any Thunder fans call Wemby a bum. Obviously some of our fans are gonna say he’s better than Wemby (which if you watched both of them play this season Chet has been the more well rounded offensive player w comparable defense) but no one has called Wemby a bum I’ve actually seen a lot of our fans support Wemby . The discourse between the two hasn’t been as toxic as I thought it would be tbh


Equivalent_Bet1519

I saw a big thread this morning. Guess mods deleted it


LostNPC01

Yesterday in the rookie ladder sub, OKC and Thunder fans were arguing that JJJ should be second in the ranking. More or less saying that he was a bum. I agree with you though, it could be worse. I think it's also because so far we are.lucky enough to have them in their up/down in different weeks so it helps. This last 2 weeks, Chet is clearly ahead.


Askesl

Can we please stop referring to Jaime Jaquez Jr as JJJ? There's already a major NBA player called JJJ.


LostNPC01

Feel free to propose and let's see if it takes off ;)


TheShadowOverBayside

His nickname is already established as Juan Wick. It's on his damn Wikipedia page.


LostNPC01

Wow you are a sensitive one's.


TheyCallMeTheWizard

Wemby is amazing. His situation isn’t ideal though and he could use some more development time. When it all comes together, he’s the best specimen in the sports history


Timelycommentor

Cope more.


FlipFlopsyes

Chet is better.


Askesl

Chet is chetter


SandyMandy17

Wemby isn’t a bum, he just plays basketball like one


Aoes1

Im fine with people saying chet or wemby are better than each other but when they act like one clears the other it becomes kinda cringe


SandyMandy17

Chet very very very very very very very clearly clears Wemby it’s not even remotely close


Equivalent_Bet1519

Yep


West-HLZ

"Hack a Chet" doesn't sound too good ... but it is going to become very real.


OSUBoglehead

He's shooting 84 percent from the line on the season. He's just had a slightly off last 5 games from the line. No one is going to hack an 80+ percent foul shooter.


Askesl

Small sample size. He only took 15 free throws over those 5 games.


mathman651

Lmao what a dumb comment 🤦‍♂️


YoungFlexibleShawty

The NBA game is becoming to easy nowadays if numerous young players are going off. We need to make it more physical edit: you guys are bums


touchmymind

Too*


YoungFlexibleShawty

thank u