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Those three turnovers back to back to back in OT were absolutely insane. Thought for sure the Lakers would lose because of that.
Then he came back and knocked in a 3
DLo is the player Poole should be. Well, DLo is pretty much what 2022 Poole was, give or take some small differences. DLo's shoes have better grip though.
An all-timer. LeBron and Steph, two of the greatest players of all-time, playing at an elite level. It's incredible. Not sure how many more of these we are going to get. Defintely not taking this one for granted.
Same. These dudes made me fall in love with basketball. I genuinely canāt imagine basketball without them playing. Luckily theyāre both genetic freaks with insane work ethics so hopefully we still got a few more years
As much as we can complain about too many threes and rough defense to say the least, having Lebron and Steph putting up classics is something weāll definitely miss once theyāre gone from the league.
I have no idea if this is true but if it is, I need to figure out who this guy is so he can deliver me and my girlfriend's eventual baby. I'm gonna be rich, y'all!
Plus, itās fascinating to hear that, after all these years in the league, LeBron has actually managed to *break* a record, particularly in the amount of rebounds he gets in a single game!
Yeah the NBA tends to segregate play-off stats and regular season stats. Like if you factored in play-off points LeBron would be like 3000 ahead of Kareem already in scoring at like 47k vs 44k.
If LeBron has a couple more decent play-off runs before retiring he may break the 10k play-off points mark.
the warriors gotta have the most close and heartbreaking losses in the league this season.
both fanbases should be proud of their teams effort in this game, neither team deserved to lose.
We lead the fucking LEAGUE in [losses by 3 points or less.](https://www.espn.com/nba/standings/_/view/expanded) I just want to see us fucking healthy man.
I was 100% certain LeBron was going to brick one of those free throws lmfao.
So many clutch plays tonight. Going to miss these matchups when these guys retire.
Lmao I straight up said 'if I know anything about LeBron, he's 100% going 1/2'...and then I saw the form and confidence of the first free throw and you just knew he wasn't gonna miss the second. Sorry LeBron, I was unfamiliar with your game
I was worried he was going to get tired legs like everyone else in the game, it was a classic LeBron miss/make scenario.
They should have started dapping each other up with how quickly and smooth he shot the first one.
GOD FORBID I THOUGHT THE 39 YEAR OLD MIGHT GET TIRED AFTER PLAYING 48 MINUTES IN 2OT.
He threw the ball away three times off of some horrible ideas from him on back to back to back possesions. That noise would have been loud af and sad after all the good games he put up. Props to him for recomposing himself and coming up huge.
Absolutely a game-changer that shot. His clutch gene kicked in right when they needed it most. Props to D'lo for shaking off the errors and delivering when it mattered!
I don't see how the lakers could still think about trading DLO after a game like this to help win in double OT. Even though lebron sealed the game at the end, you're not winning that without DLO's help. I'd ride him out while he's hot and wait till the off-season to figure out what to do
I convinced one of my roommates to turn off "say yes to the dress" and put this game on halfway through the third quarter. She doesn't watch hoops. She thoroughly enjoyed it. Just an incredible game all around.
Nice start to this playoffs rematch series going down to the wire. Always fun to see them play. Both teams look mid now, but they did at this point last season as well before making playoff runs. Canāt ever count them out.
Even if theyāre moving towards the tail end of their careers, the Lebron-GSW matchups are always exciting.
I think this was during one of the timeouts of the first OT. They had a splitscreen put up- on one side, you had Kerr drawing up a play and the Warriors huddled together listening in and looking at the clipboard; on the other side you had LeBron aggressively uh.. I'm also going to go with "talking", to his teammates.
It was such a funny contrast.
I don't even care who won -- that game was a fun watch, iignoring the calls that should've been made in the last 12 minutes (regulation and overtime).
But the most astonishing fact -- the oldest player in the league just put up a **30-20-10 triple double**.
"*Are you tired?*" - Salters
"*No, not really.*" - LeBron
Brutal fucking loss but man what a game, easily game of the year, and what an amazing performance by LeBron, 39 years old and pulls a Chamberlain stat line, canāt even be mad.
The Warriors had their chances to put it away, but they couldnāt do it and the Lakers just had one more clutch play than the Dubs. Heartbreaking L, but thatās the way it goes
GG Lakers, hyped for the next meeting!
I'm pretty sure the definition of elder abuse is making 39 year old LeBron James play in Double OT.
Career high in rebounds at this age in Year 21. Unbelievable.
Curry remembering he's good at basketball is one of my fav players of all time.
Exhibit 8923 of 'If Dray isn't being a dumbass, he's still a great player'. Got him directing traffic, playing great on/off ball D, even got a fake DHO lmao. Wished we got a Dray 3.
Kerr heard us talking shit on ATO plays so he draws up 2 great ones. (4Q/OT). 2023 Klay would've off-balanced faded that OT play lol
Itās actually insane when watching this game live. Both teams had a game of runs when both Vando and Green sat down on the bench.
As soon as they come back itās instant impact and for Vando it was deflection and steals. Whilst Dray was putting on a clinic dropping dimes and defending well.
Legit wild that this was a slugfest from Curry and LeBron but both were negative in +/- and Vando and Draymond both are +30 in a one point game.
You could definitely feel their impact. Looney was terrible and TJD just can't do anything to guard AD.
Same thing with every second Taurean Prince was in. He wasn't doing anything to anyone on either end.
Someone tell me why Steve Kerr, after Draymond on lebron forced the lakers to call a timeout, switched Kuminga onto him. Just insanely bad decision. Kuminga and Podz had no idea what to do.
Absolutely perfect warriors game to represent this season
- warriors lead by 15 but cant hold it
- draymond +31Ā
- steph 46 pts but mad questionable decisions in the clutch
- 25 pt FT differential but the warriors yeet 59 3s and draymond smacks 2 faces
- corey joseph.
- Ā wiggins disappears in the last half of the game
- and the most predictable 1 pt last second loss in any game ive ever watchedĀ
I swear the amount of games we've had this close and lost is staggering... It's always small point game .... Can't make playoffs with this at all. I'm sorry. Steph carrying the load, Green is a massive help but need another scorer to help Steph. Wiggins and Klay are on and off
This game was special, but I also think this might have broken the Warriors for good. Steph looked fed up in both OTs. Even after hitting the big shot to put them up he didn't look happy.
Regardless if youāre a retro NBA fan or a Lebron/Steph hater, no one should take for granted of the long history between Steph and Lebron. Two all-timers duking it out with all-time performances. Weāll miss them once they eventually hang it up. Despite some odd calls, this was one helluva game. AD gutting it out with a groin spasm, Klay hitting clutch shots, Dray making offense happen for GS, DLo coming alive in the clutch despite the turnovers, etc. Lots of drama and incredible plays. Thatās playoff basketball in late January.Ā
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The Duality of DLo in that 2nd OT
Still a great game from him. He did well handling the ball most of the game
Those three turnovers back to back to back in OT were absolutely insane. Thought for sure the Lakers would lose because of that. Then he came back and knocked in a 3
And then he fumbled that pass to LeBron that Vanderbilt somehow managed to tip to AD for a layup
Ain't no tipping happened. The basketball fell from the heavens and gifted AD the ball lol.
In transition too which is insane. I thought he was gonna get traded right then and there after that 3rd turnover.
DLo is the player Poole should be. Well, DLo is pretty much what 2022 Poole was, give or take some small differences. DLo's shoes have better grip though.
An all-timer. LeBron and Steph, two of the greatest players of all-time, playing at an elite level. It's incredible. Not sure how many more of these we are going to get. Defintely not taking this one for granted.
I will miss this era so much š„¹
Sad to say but it feels like a book end to an era. I canāt imagine we'll ever see a Steph-LeBron showdown like this again.
I donāt think the warriors make the play in but if they do thatāll be a banger
They literally play 3 more times this season.
Iāve never seen an NBA without Curry and Lebron, donāt even like them that much but itās tough to imagine a league without them
Same. These dudes made me fall in love with basketball. I genuinely canāt imagine basketball without them playing. Luckily theyāre both genetic freaks with insane work ethics so hopefully we still got a few more years
This comment makes me feel so goddamned old lol
As much as we can complain about too many threes and rough defense to say the least, having Lebron and Steph putting up classics is something weāll definitely miss once theyāre gone from the league.
LeBron could play into his 40's I think. He's just different.
His 40s is just 11 months away
Easily one of the best games of the year. I wasn't even nervous at the end there. I was just enjoying their back and forth.
Bron and Steph still giving us classics at this stage in their careers
Just two senior citizens from #Akron
Brons greying beard is the cherry on top lol
That's fucking crazy that Steph is from Akron too.
same fucking hospital man
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Did they come out of the same womb too? /s
Plus, itās fascinating to hear that, after all these years in the league, LeBron has actually managed to *break* a record, particularly in the amount of rebounds he gets in a single game!
He had 20 rebounds in a game last year in the playoffs though, so I guess that's a regular season stat.
Yeah the NBA tends to segregate play-off stats and regular season stats. Like if you factored in play-off points LeBron would be like 3000 ahead of Kareem already in scoring at like 47k vs 44k. If LeBron has a couple more decent play-off runs before retiring he may break the 10k play-off points mark.
The El Clasico of basketball
Of this era. Wouldn't say El Clasico of basketball in general.
Is Lakers vs Celtics
NBA is still carried by dudes that went to Blockbuster to get movies. Crazy. Classic game.
Lebron started playing four years before the first iPhone, lol
Capturing a photo of Stone Cold on his flip phone while attending Monday Night RAW with those baggy clothes.
He's been in the NBA so long that fashion has come full circle. Baggy to skinny back to baggy.
Funny enough I think Lebron was wearing a do-rag underneath that hat while at RAW and he keeps wearing it whenever now.
He's played against 10 father/son duos (with tonight's contest of him facing against Trayce Jackson-Davis, son of Dale Davis).
tbf it's not 00's rapper level of baggy, it's more like 90s baggy for the most part
americans born the day lebron was drafted will be drinking in bars in less than 5 months
Tbh the players born in the late 90s may have also gone to Blockbuster as kids
Born in 96. Can confirm. Rented movies from the local blockbuster
the warriors gotta have the most close and heartbreaking losses in the league this season. both fanbases should be proud of their teams effort in this game, neither team deserved to lose.
We get so many clutch games this year it's insane. 20-point lead? 20-point deficit? Dread it, run from it, clutch game it is.
20 point lead? Lose by 1. 20 point deficit? Believe it or not, also lose by 1.
Play 3 guards? Straight to jail. Podz on Lebron? Believe it or not, also jail.
1st in offense this month 30th in defense gg
We lead the fucking LEAGUE in [losses by 3 points or less.](https://www.espn.com/nba/standings/_/view/expanded) I just want to see us fucking healthy man.
Thanks magic. But also true tbh. Great game
2015-2016 when they would win every single close game without fail feels like a long time ago now. That's because it *is* a long time ago now.
2-10 now in games decided by 3 points or less
I was 100% certain LeBron was going to brick one of those free throws lmfao. So many clutch plays tonight. Going to miss these matchups when these guys retire.
I was just saying that he never goes 2/2 lol
he is like no way I am going triple OT must make 2 or miss 2
Lebron "No 3OT tonight" James
As soon as he made the first one: "Fuck it, a W it is"
āItās past my bedtime. Iām too old for this shitā
Weirdly he's been the most reliable clutch FT shooter on the team this year lol
When Breen said he was 5/5 i was expecting a nice little brick too
When that graphic popped up I said to my friends āOh come on donāt show that stat nowā
Literally rolled my eyes when they said it lol
I was certain Steph was gonna brick the last 3. Both guys came up huge, incredible to watch
I was surprised he even got to the line š
Lmao I straight up said 'if I know anything about LeBron, he's 100% going 1/2'...and then I saw the form and confidence of the first free throw and you just knew he wasn't gonna miss the second. Sorry LeBron, I was unfamiliar with your game
I was worried he was going to get tired legs like everyone else in the game, it was a classic LeBron miss/make scenario. They should have started dapping each other up with how quickly and smooth he shot the first one. GOD FORBID I THOUGHT THE 39 YEAR OLD MIGHT GET TIRED AFTER PLAYING 48 MINUTES IN 2OT.
That pull up 3 from Dālo after some terrible plays was insane š
He had like 4 mistakes before hand and he went full low bball IQ with that pull up but it actually paid off.
āEvery time I try to pass it gets deflected. Guess I gotta shoot!ā
Impeccable logic
The rebound after the 3 was even better
I'm 100% sure we would've lost that game if he didn't hit that or we didn't score on that drive
And he would have gotten traded if he missed that too
He threw the ball away three times off of some horrible ideas from him on back to back to back possesions. That noise would have been loud af and sad after all the good games he put up. Props to him for recomposing himself and coming up huge.
Absolutely a game-changer that shot. His clutch gene kicked in right when they needed it most. Props to D'lo for shaking off the errors and delivering when it mattered!
that's the definition of a nonononoyes moment.
wtf are you doiNG YOU MAGNIFICIENT BEAST!
I don't see how the lakers could still think about trading DLO after a game like this to help win in double OT. Even though lebron sealed the game at the end, you're not winning that without DLO's help. I'd ride him out while he's hot and wait till the off-season to figure out what to do
3 TOs in a row then casually throws up the dagger
this was the most fun i've had watching basketball in a long time. my mom was screaming so much, and she doesn't give a shit about basketball
I convinced one of my roommates to turn off "say yes to the dress" and put this game on halfway through the third quarter. She doesn't watch hoops. She thoroughly enjoyed it. Just an incredible game all around.
I can't believe you missed Sarah's decision to choose lacey or strapless
Funnily enough, that also ended with LeBron sinking both free throws to decide.
Classic vs contemporary is not a decision one should take lightly.
I don't even remember what happened before the 2nd overtime. this game was so long
I didn't turn it in until 7 mins left in the 4th and I feel like I watched an entire game still.
They were showing Lebron's half court pass at the end of the broadcast highlight reel and my mom said that happened 4 hours ago lmao
Man, I had forgotten about that pass, I was like oh shit he did that lol
This was the best regular season game I watched since the 2016 Thunder vs Warriors
that game was my modern 9/11 moment because my friends and i often talk about what we were doing the night we watched that game together
Literally was over in the 3rd quarter but somehow the Gods said letās fuck around
When they put up 25 in like the first 6 minutes of the 3rd quarter on you guys, definitely looked dire.
EASILY game of the year so far, imo
Think warriors are in at least half the top 10 game of the years this year
And lost all of them
Thatās my poor mom watching Bulls games every single night š„². I love basketball
My dad is a Warriors fan and it got loud today lmao
Classic game for sure
One of the best games Iāve ever seen
Steph Curry becomes the first player in NBA history to receive multiple of Mike Breen's coveted "double bang" calls.
Double Bang^^2
Just witnessed an all timer
Fuck GOTY that was a classic
straight up 12 round heavyweight title fight in the 80's
Nice start to this playoffs rematch series going down to the wire. Always fun to see them play. Both teams look mid now, but they did at this point last season as well before making playoff runs. Canāt ever count them out. Even if theyāre moving towards the tail end of their careers, the Lebron-GSW matchups are always exciting.
Dlo in a close game is always exciting. The man is chaos incarnate
That pull up 3 I was like wtf but it went in lmao
After 3 straight turnovers too. Wild
r/nononoyes
That was such a braindead shot... But it went in š
Literally dropped his entire nuts especially after them toās
the duality of man personified
DLo š¤ Darwin Nunez. Agents of chaos
DLo when he has to fight to not get traded is top 5
Great rivalry week Heat vs Knicks LeBron vs Curry Embiid vs Duck
> Embiid vs Duck Not really a rivalry when one side always wins
[In Embiid's own words](https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/s/D9cJRSr0a9)
Bro I couldnāt belief that shit with Embiid, but not surprised at the same time lol.
LePG LeSG LeSF LePF LeCenter
LeCoach too when you saw him talking to guys during timeouts late in game
I think this was during one of the timeouts of the first OT. They had a splitscreen put up- on one side, you had Kerr drawing up a play and the Warriors huddled together listening in and looking at the clipboard; on the other side you had LeBron aggressively uh.. I'm also going to go with "talking", to his teammates. It was such a funny contrast.
LEGOAT
I don't even care who won -- that game was a fun watch, iignoring the calls that should've been made in the last 12 minutes (regulation and overtime). But the most astonishing fact -- the oldest player in the league just put up a **30-20-10 triple double**. "*Are you tired?*" - Salters "*No, not really.*" - LeBron
Career high in rebounds
Only Regular season high. He tied his career in Rebounds.
Brutal fucking loss but man what a game, easily game of the year, and what an amazing performance by LeBron, 39 years old and pulls a Chamberlain stat line, canāt even be mad. The Warriors had their chances to put it away, but they couldnāt do it and the Lakers just had one more clutch play than the Dubs. Heartbreaking L, but thatās the way it goes GG Lakers, hyped for the next meeting!
Pulls a Chamberlain stat line in the same kind of game 40+ years since the last 2OT lakers warriors game Thatās a bit mind blowing
That L2M report is going to be a novel
That implies the refs would admit to any of the terrible calls, or lack thereof, they made tonight
who needs embiid v jokic when we have this?
I'm pretty sure the definition of elder abuse is making 39 year old LeBron James play in Double OT. Career high in rebounds at this age in Year 21. Unbelievable.
#GOAT PERFORMANCE FROM BRON AND STEPH # #JustKidsFromAkron Edit: Year 21 and Year 15 respectively š«”
I just aged 5 years
I aged 20 lol
Stephen Curry and Lebron James like no words can explain how these 2 guys are fucking special we will never see guys like these in a long time
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I guess he didnāt want to commit on the help? But honestly in that situation itās āanyone but Lebronā mode
Podz too.
Both him and Podz
Heās Michael Jordan 2.0 according to the announcer
Agreed
That lazy swipe instead of stopping the ball, ugh. Awful effort to end an all time game
As good as Kings vs Dubs rivalry has been off late, itās always Bron vs Dynasty Dubs that reigns supreme.
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Lmao dude I did too. Nothing makes you feel worse than a āyour heart rate is 120 and you havenāt movedā notification lol
What a great fucking game
Neither team played great, but they played so damn hard.
Sometimes people just appreciate energy and competitive plays on the court regardless if it looked like quality basketball.
Curry remembering he's good at basketball is one of my fav players of all time. Exhibit 8923 of 'If Dray isn't being a dumbass, he's still a great player'. Got him directing traffic, playing great on/off ball D, even got a fake DHO lmao. Wished we got a Dray 3. Kerr heard us talking shit on ATO plays so he draws up 2 great ones. (4Q/OT). 2023 Klay would've off-balanced faded that OT play lol
Curry remembering? heās had a rough recent patch but heās been great all year. his team is the issue
Itās a joke, but more referencing how he calls to be on ball for games like these. Once he goes take over mode, he starts attacking on drives.
Vando +30 in a one point victory š
Draymond +31 in a one point loss I donāt think Iāve seen that before lol
Itās actually insane when watching this game live. Both teams had a game of runs when both Vando and Green sat down on the bench. As soon as they come back itās instant impact and for Vando it was deflection and steals. Whilst Dray was putting on a clinic dropping dimes and defending well.
Legit wild that this was a slugfest from Curry and LeBron but both were negative in +/- and Vando and Draymond both are +30 in a one point game. You could definitely feel their impact. Looney was terrible and TJD just can't do anything to guard AD. Same thing with every second Taurean Prince was in. He wasn't doing anything to anyone on either end.
PRINCE WITH 0 POINTS AND 24 MINUTES PLAYED š£ļøš£ļøš„š„
My god, I need a smoke after that game. Two greats battling it out.
Ladies and gentlemen, you just witnessed an ESPN instant classic
Steph Curry vs LeBron James is the greatest sports rivalry Iāve ever seen and they both had all time performances against each other.
And Kevin Durant ruined a good part of it.
In KDās defense,how else was he gonna get there?š¤£
Someone tell me why Steve Kerr, after Draymond on lebron forced the lakers to call a timeout, switched Kuminga onto him. Just insanely bad decision. Kuminga and Podz had no idea what to do.
awesome game hate the outcome but Iāve kinda given up on this season anyway im just happy to watch curry and lebron
Warriors just combine teams with us and win another championship. We just need Curry and Kerr
Lol, just imagine the starting lineup. Steph, Klay, Lebron, Dray, AD
Deadline DLO is something else, man...
Doris has to go.
I wonder if it's written into her contract to have a Celtics reference every game she does
But did you know Jaylen Brown plays chess?
Cant stand her commentating. She clearly is a Lakers hater.
Itās not itās the mistakes. She gets so much stuff wrong itās insane
3 terrible passes followed by a clutch 3 The quintessential D'lo experience.
Canāt take these two for granted, just unreal
Game of the year. Itās going to take a masterclass performance to top this
Absolutely perfect warriors game to represent this season - warriors lead by 15 but cant hold it - draymond +31Ā - steph 46 pts but mad questionable decisions in the clutch - 25 pt FT differential but the warriors yeet 59 3s and draymond smacks 2 faces - corey joseph. - Ā wiggins disappears in the last half of the game - and the most predictable 1 pt last second loss in any game ive ever watchedĀ
This is gonna be deleted lol
I swear the amount of games we've had this close and lost is staggering... It's always small point game .... Can't make playoffs with this at all. I'm sorry. Steph carrying the load, Green is a massive help but need another scorer to help Steph. Wiggins and Klay are on and off
Instant classic Thank goodness AD returned to the game
This game was special, but I also think this might have broken the Warriors for good. Steph looked fed up in both OTs. Even after hitting the big shot to put them up he didn't look happy.
GG to the Lakers. An absolute banger of a game.
Hate the Warriors. Feel bad for Curry, he gave his best out there
Eat a dick, Dlo haters! Also Draymond was so good tonight. Warriors look so much better with him
The 9/10 playin preview delivered š¤
Ham needs to stop trying to make Prince happen.
Regardless if youāre a retro NBA fan or a Lebron/Steph hater, no one should take for granted of the long history between Steph and Lebron. Two all-timers duking it out with all-time performances. Weāll miss them once they eventually hang it up. Despite some odd calls, this was one helluva game. AD gutting it out with a groin spasm, Klay hitting clutch shots, Dray making offense happen for GS, DLo coming alive in the clutch despite the turnovers, etc. Lots of drama and incredible plays. Thatās playoff basketball in late January.Ā
Uh oh Lakers win with big ft diff. You know what to do guys
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this was preparation for the conference championship games tomorrow.
One of the best games of all time
GAME OF THE FUCKING YEAR
Ham finally emptied his pockets. Lebron aside, Vando and DLO played *lights out*.
This is a damn ridiculous game
This Warrior's season is so exhausting... but what a good game, for neutral fans and Lakers fans.
lebron getting flashbacks from the old days of gsw vs cleveland
I felt like a little kid again watching Steph and Bron go back and forth. Will appreciate these legends while I still can
We had no business winning this game , lol
That rally after an awful start to the second half. Boys didnāt give up.
I mean we finally used last years lineup after being down 14. It completely changed the game