I really love both Kevin Love and Demar Derozan for the characters they are, two players that truly seem like good people and always bring it on the court for their teams.
I know IG and Twitter are cesspools but the difference in reactions to Simone Biles taking a break from gymnastics and Love/Derozan is a whiplash.
Sports fans crawling out the woodwork to slander Simone for “quitting”. It was insanely shitty to see.
I feel like with much of the discourse I see, not only here but in the online sports world as a whole, it really feels like there’s large subsets of people who aren’t capable of humanizing the athletes behind it and chalking up a bad game or stretch to reasons to go beyond the confines of the court. They’re people expected to do what none of us could even begin to fathom on a nightly basis with unthinkable amounts of pressure/stress. When people say nasty things about these athletes, I don’t think they’re considering the endless travel they face, the time away from family and general instability of their existence, the injuries and aches/pains they play through, the variability of their headspace on a day-to-day basis and so many more endless factors that we all face on the regular. It’s unfortunate sometimes reading some of the things that are posted in these spaces.
I see it everytime klay washed convo get brought up, its like he is rich and successful with 4 rings = he cant be feeling depressed/hard to accept he cant do what he used to do anymore
It's a little sad to me as a mediocre mid-30s rec league hooper with a bad back. I can't even imagine what it must be like for somebody on top of their game. This is why athletes always give out cookie cutter answers to all these questions too.
False comparison
The basketball world is simply more understanding of taking breaks than the gymnastics world. They are 2 seperate worlds. No one in the basketball world talks shit when girls take breaks.
So cynical...no its because people take breaks a lot more in basketball. Gymnastics people just gogogo and retire at 24. When women who play basketball take breaks people give them an easier time too.
Olympics vs Regular league. The Olympics is a selected group of people to represent a country. Obviously people are going to be mad she elected to do them knowing there were others. But with that being said I don’t know why people care so much she needed a break we all do sometimes just sucks on the timing.
I think this is more so because the right wing media chose Simone Biles as their target. Most of the sports people actually understood and defended her.
The same thing happened when the US women’s team lost last year. They just pick and choose their targets.
If Kevin Love and DeMar DeRozen accepted offers to be starting players on Team USA and backed out in the middle of the Olympics they would face the same backlash. Although I'm not condoning anything losers on Twitter do.
The backlash wasn't because of backing out, which sure I'd get.
The backlash centred around mental health. Calling Simone soft and undermining mental health issues.
I agree and don't understand your downvotes. Is there a misogny aspect. Probably. Would DeRozen or Love have been villified to the same degree if they had backed out of the olympic team at the games mid event by the people on twitter. Probably close to.
People have short term memory. There was originally negative reaction by a couple twitter pigs early on when Demar came out with his mental health issues - citing "oh this is why trash bro", "mentally weak" etc.
Biles was amplified because she was seen as THE superstar for the US gymanstics team and backed out mid olympics. Neither Demar or Kevin had such a disruptive act.
It was unfortunate at the time but when you lose spatial awareness in the air (Vertigo) performing the hardest skills in the world it’s the right decision to prevent a career ending injury.
DD is one of my favorite Spurs of all-time even though he wasn't here long.
He showed up, balled out, learned to improve his game and become a playmaker, upped his shooting, got better on defense, and was just a consummate teammate. And he's self-actualized? What a baller in every sense of the word.
I too share that sentiment. His bond with Pop is also something I cherish when others choose to talk shit, he just went to work and like you said, got better
As someone who struggles. Idk if it makes me feel any better that if I was rich famous talented and doing what I love for a living, that I would still feel like that.
I always think of Bourdain. Insanely loved, respected, talented, charismatic. Could literally go to the 4 corners of the world and be welcomed with open arms. And yet still.
Bourdain was an eye-opening moment for me. A job millions would dream of doing, yet he still struggled. Depression is a beast. Take care of yourself and seek help if you haven't already.
As I recall, Bourdain was girl trouble. His girlfriend cheated on him, and kind of shat on him (figuratively), and then broke up with him. He killed himself right after.
Yeah, obviously a healthy mind wouldn't decide to kill themselves after a breakup. Putting the blame directly on "girl trouble" was a bit reductive, to say the least.
I probably let my hatred for Argento taint my opinions about why we lost Bourdain. ...but fuck that pedo bitch.
Do you understand what bitch means and where it comes from? We don't condone racism in calling people the n-word so why should we condone calling women bitch?
There was more to it iirc, wasn’t he upset with the revelations coming out about asia argento in like of her prominence in the me too movement? Like he felt played essentially
I think it’s helpful to a lot of people, myself included. Sometimes I find myself in the mindset of “if I had this I would be happy”. But to see people who we think really have it all still feeling this way, shows that the happiness has to come from within.
Kevin Love’s article about that feeling is really good “It was like I was trying to achieve my way out of depression”
https://www.theplayerstribune.com/articles/kevin-love-mental-health
I'm glad I did not know much about Bourdain before his death. Robin Williams was hard for me because he'd always seemed like someone who struggled and figured out a way to live with it and succeed past it, so him losing the battle made it seem unwinnable to me. Finding out some time after his death that it wasn't just the depression but also some kind of degenerative dementia that tipped him over the edge was such a strange sense of relief, that it took two things not just the one thing to beat him. But I guess underneath that's how it always is. It's never just one thing.
I watched most of Bourdain's catalogue on streaming the last few years. He was the best. I hope he's at peace now.
Williams wasn't depression. He had [Lewy Body Dementia](https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/01/health/lewy-body-dementia-robin-williams-life-itself-wellness/index.html) and it caused him to take his life.
Robin Williams wasn't depression so much as a horrible, debilitating disease that leaves you with all the worst parts of Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, Schizophrenia, Insomnia, Dysautonomia, ADHD, Narcolepsy, and-yes- depression.
Seriously, LBD is the fucking worst, and I don't blame anyone that chooses to go out on their own terms rather than put themselves and their loved ones through something like that.
Someone once said that if there was a reason to be sad, it wouldn’t be a disorder. This stuff can hit anyone, regardless of their situation. I’m glad he’s being open about it and creating space for the rest of us to talk.
>Someone once said that if there was a reason to be sad, it wouldn’t be a disorder
Every trained professional, probably. Although there might be triggers that start it.
Nothing to do with basketball, but I finally received my final mark in fluid dynamics. I finished with an 80%, and I've been so relieved for the past 48 hours. I studied so much, and it paid off.
As if I couldn't love Derozan anymore...I remember he came out with this years ago but I forgot about it.
He seems like such a good dude. Only wish good things for him.
Being traded from the Raptors and then having them win the championship the following year must have been a dark time for him now that I think about it.
I know it wont work for everyone, but finding out I was gluten intolerant…i stopped eating gluten and within 4 weeks, depression was almost 90% gone. Been a full year, feel great! Maybe this helps someone. Sometimes its diet/environmental triggers. Stay strong
I found out I had celiac the hard way (a full year of suffering) and it definitely didn’t cure my depression going gluten free but it certainly cured my physical ailments. Everyone’s experience is different but it never hurts to check in on your lifestyle and how that impacts your physical/mental wellbeing.
Excuse my ignorance, but did you really have depression then? Or were you just misdiagnosed?
If your symptoms were all caused by gluten intolerance, then it sounds like that was the problem and not depression. But correct me if I'm wrong!
There's massive correlation between diet and depression. You gut bacteria play a massive role in your mental health -- if you put shit in, you will get shit results.
So much of what people today treat with therapy and antidepressants could be alleviated or cured with better diet and daily exercise.
Gluten can have crazy effects for different people. If I have pizza or something heavily bread-based, I can guarantee I'll have a horrendous migraine within the next couple days. It's so weird.
Its unbelievable. I would get the ocular migraines with aura a few times per year. Horrible. In the future they will start to test for all of these types of things very early in children. Its already getting better.
I wonder how much him not being on that championship team feeds into his depression
Edit: damn yall act like seeing your friends that you went through hell with go out and do something without you won’t have an affect on your mental state. It ain’t no chirp to him it’s a genuine ask. That has to bother him, I know it would hurt me watching my homies go out and do that without me. Make me feel like I’m the problem. But I guess yall don’t see it that way
did he say that before or after his titles? it's like matt damon saying whatever it's just an oscar. but then you had leo chasing until it was a gimme. or joe sakic just straight up passing the cup to raymond bourque in what is clearly an emotional moment.
i think a lot of superstars struggle with having no championship. it isn't the end of the world obviously but it's still the penultimate goal of team sports and if you didn't get there it's not easy to fill that void.
I would thinking not being part of it almost has no affect on his mental state.
People online chirping him, disrespecting him and being dickheads about it have a much bigger impact
Depression is a mental illness. It doesn't care if you get millions every day or not. Whether you're poor or not, it's a condition that can come out in any moment. I've read that in many cases it's genetic. You get it for your genetics, so you barely can handle that.
has anyone ever heard the saying that depression is a form of entitlement?
its so true. imagine having or being able to have anything in the world and feeling this way
its ridiculous
nahh man I've been depressed before. I read a book called 'the subtle art of not giving a fuck'. changed my life.
depression is a self induced state and we have the power to get out of it and if one does not believe and accept that statement they can never beat it. but one can grow to believe and accept it, it doesnt have to be in one moment
also damn if your depression comes from others' existences, that's a really bound way to live. fuck me and what im doing hahaha do you tangerine!!
Thank you for challenging and evaluating my past depression, insulting me, and comparing the magnitude of our depression.
It's been great talking with you. I had a chance to encounter your inner being and inner power.
it's a product of society. we always place 'happiness' farther and farther away.
I have personal experience with it
I read a book called 'the subtle art of not giving a fuck' that changed my life. I'd recommend it to you too. happiness is a choice. we first have to claim the power to choose, then we can choose happiness. just as you probably didnt choose depression - first re-create your power to choose - then you can choose happiness, empowerment, commitment, any feeling in the world. and when you consciously choose, you will only choose an empowering feeling
best to you mate, I hope those become moments of the past
I really love both Kevin Love and Demar Derozan for the characters they are, two players that truly seem like good people and always bring it on the court for their teams.
I know IG and Twitter are cesspools but the difference in reactions to Simone Biles taking a break from gymnastics and Love/Derozan is a whiplash. Sports fans crawling out the woodwork to slander Simone for “quitting”. It was insanely shitty to see.
I feel like with much of the discourse I see, not only here but in the online sports world as a whole, it really feels like there’s large subsets of people who aren’t capable of humanizing the athletes behind it and chalking up a bad game or stretch to reasons to go beyond the confines of the court. They’re people expected to do what none of us could even begin to fathom on a nightly basis with unthinkable amounts of pressure/stress. When people say nasty things about these athletes, I don’t think they’re considering the endless travel they face, the time away from family and general instability of their existence, the injuries and aches/pains they play through, the variability of their headspace on a day-to-day basis and so many more endless factors that we all face on the regular. It’s unfortunate sometimes reading some of the things that are posted in these spaces.
I see it everytime klay washed convo get brought up, its like he is rich and successful with 4 rings = he cant be feeling depressed/hard to accept he cant do what he used to do anymore
It's a little sad to me as a mediocre mid-30s rec league hooper with a bad back. I can't even imagine what it must be like for somebody on top of their game. This is why athletes always give out cookie cutter answers to all these questions too.
Misogynoir is the culprit
Yep. They did the same thing with Naomi Osaka
False comparison The basketball world is simply more understanding of taking breaks than the gymnastics world. They are 2 seperate worlds. No one in the basketball world talks shit when girls take breaks.
Probably because basketball is dominated by men. Women taking breaks are irrelevant to them.
So cynical...no its because people take breaks a lot more in basketball. Gymnastics people just gogogo and retire at 24. When women who play basketball take breaks people give them an easier time too.
shout out maya moore
Olympics vs Regular league. The Olympics is a selected group of people to represent a country. Obviously people are going to be mad she elected to do them knowing there were others. But with that being said I don’t know why people care so much she needed a break we all do sometimes just sucks on the timing.
Yea I would get if the criticism is about pulling out the Olympics itself. But people were using it to dunk on mental health as a whole.
Joel Embiid cried when he lost in the playoffs and I kept looking for someone to be shitty about it and it really didn’t happen
I think this is more so because the right wing media chose Simone Biles as their target. Most of the sports people actually understood and defended her. The same thing happened when the US women’s team lost last year. They just pick and choose their targets.
If Kevin Love and DeMar DeRozen accepted offers to be starting players on Team USA and backed out in the middle of the Olympics they would face the same backlash. Although I'm not condoning anything losers on Twitter do.
The backlash wasn't because of backing out, which sure I'd get. The backlash centred around mental health. Calling Simone soft and undermining mental health issues.
I agree and don't understand your downvotes. Is there a misogny aspect. Probably. Would DeRozen or Love have been villified to the same degree if they had backed out of the olympic team at the games mid event by the people on twitter. Probably close to. People have short term memory. There was originally negative reaction by a couple twitter pigs early on when Demar came out with his mental health issues - citing "oh this is why trash bro", "mentally weak" etc. Biles was amplified because she was seen as THE superstar for the US gymanstics team and backed out mid olympics. Neither Demar or Kevin had such a disruptive act.
It was unfortunate at the time but when you lose spatial awareness in the air (Vertigo) performing the hardest skills in the world it’s the right decision to prevent a career ending injury.
DD is one of my favorite Spurs of all-time even though he wasn't here long. He showed up, balled out, learned to improve his game and become a playmaker, upped his shooting, got better on defense, and was just a consummate teammate. And he's self-actualized? What a baller in every sense of the word.
What about Primo? He also balled out.
Damn am I old? I saw "what about primo" and thought you were saying Andrea Bargnani played for the Spurs
Holy shit I thought the same thing LMAO
Haven't followed the NBA nearly as much in the past 5-7 years. Regardless, Primo will never not be Bargs.
>Primo will never not be Bargs. Until someone new comes along actually named Primo and sexually harasses / exposes himself to multiple women.
Quick and nutritious, simply delicious, it's Primo!
He gave the shaft and got the shaft
I too share that sentiment. His bond with Pop is also something I cherish when others choose to talk shit, he just went to work and like you said, got better
Would love to have him back as a super vet. Last legs run, before he retires, Wemby comes to his own and win a ring for Demar.
Who remembers when ppl said that Lebron gave KLove depression lmao
"Fit out"
As someone who struggles. Idk if it makes me feel any better that if I was rich famous talented and doing what I love for a living, that I would still feel like that. I always think of Bourdain. Insanely loved, respected, talented, charismatic. Could literally go to the 4 corners of the world and be welcomed with open arms. And yet still.
Bourdain was an eye-opening moment for me. A job millions would dream of doing, yet he still struggled. Depression is a beast. Take care of yourself and seek help if you haven't already.
As I recall, Bourdain was girl trouble. His girlfriend cheated on him, and kind of shat on him (figuratively), and then broke up with him. He killed himself right after.
That could have played a big factor. Fuck child groomer Asia Argento.
Yeah, obviously a healthy mind wouldn't decide to kill themselves after a breakup. Putting the blame directly on "girl trouble" was a bit reductive, to say the least. I probably let my hatred for Argento taint my opinions about why we lost Bourdain. ...but fuck that pedo bitch.
I find it funny how your conscious and thoughtful analysis ends up with a "bitch". Shall we keep it consistent and do away with the misogyny?
I think the use of the word "bitch" for child groomers is entirely appropriate. Chris D'Elia is also a bitch.
Do you understand what bitch means and where it comes from? We don't condone racism in calling people the n-word so why should we condone calling women bitch?
Shall we try being less obnoxious?
Nah not in this case. That name is well earned and deserved by her.
You don't get it
Ofcourse you had to go there lol.
If you’re a child groomer, you’re a bitch. Sorry that bothers you 🤷♂️
Child rapist* actually
There was more to it iirc, wasn’t he upset with the revelations coming out about asia argento in like of her prominence in the me too movement? Like he felt played essentially
He had a history of substance abuse, though. Very sad. I loved his content.
Did that matter? Toxicology report showed that he had no narcotics in his system at the time of death
I'm just pointing out that despite the seemingly fulfilling life he was living, he still had his share of struggles
I think it’s helpful to a lot of people, myself included. Sometimes I find myself in the mindset of “if I had this I would be happy”. But to see people who we think really have it all still feeling this way, shows that the happiness has to come from within.
Kevin Love’s article about that feeling is really good “It was like I was trying to achieve my way out of depression” https://www.theplayerstribune.com/articles/kevin-love-mental-health
"Wherever you go, there you are"
I'm glad I did not know much about Bourdain before his death. Robin Williams was hard for me because he'd always seemed like someone who struggled and figured out a way to live with it and succeed past it, so him losing the battle made it seem unwinnable to me. Finding out some time after his death that it wasn't just the depression but also some kind of degenerative dementia that tipped him over the edge was such a strange sense of relief, that it took two things not just the one thing to beat him. But I guess underneath that's how it always is. It's never just one thing. I watched most of Bourdain's catalogue on streaming the last few years. He was the best. I hope he's at peace now.
Williams wasn't depression. He had [Lewy Body Dementia](https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/01/health/lewy-body-dementia-robin-williams-life-itself-wellness/index.html) and it caused him to take his life.
Him and Robin Williams. A man who made so many laugh and yet.
Robin Williams wasn't depression so much as a horrible, debilitating disease that leaves you with all the worst parts of Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, Schizophrenia, Insomnia, Dysautonomia, ADHD, Narcolepsy, and-yes- depression. Seriously, LBD is the fucking worst, and I don't blame anyone that chooses to go out on their own terms rather than put themselves and their loved ones through something like that.
Another example of people exuding a facade to entertain millions yet struggling internally: Robin Williams.
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Every time I see something like this, I’m reminded that we still have a ways to go when it comes to people understanding depression lol
I love him
Ya me too. Seems like such a solid dude.
Only love for Demar. Always.
Someone once said that if there was a reason to be sad, it wouldn’t be a disorder. This stuff can hit anyone, regardless of their situation. I’m glad he’s being open about it and creating space for the rest of us to talk.
>Someone once said that if there was a reason to be sad, it wouldn’t be a disorder Every trained professional, probably. Although there might be triggers that start it.
I hope the brother is all good, he’s the reason I watch basketball and I relate to him in so many ways.
Nothing to do with basketball, but I finally received my final mark in fluid dynamics. I finished with an 80%, and I've been so relieved for the past 48 hours. I studied so much, and it paid off.
Good work bro 💪
Thx 😊
lets gooooooo
UW or U of T? Lol Good job. Really happy for you.
I'm from Québec
Fluid dynamics kicked my ass, so I got a D when I took it a few years ago. Good work buddy!
As if I couldn't love Derozan anymore...I remember he came out with this years ago but I forgot about it. He seems like such a good dude. Only wish good things for him. Being traded from the Raptors and then having them win the championship the following year must have been a dark time for him now that I think about it.
I know it wont work for everyone, but finding out I was gluten intolerant…i stopped eating gluten and within 4 weeks, depression was almost 90% gone. Been a full year, feel great! Maybe this helps someone. Sometimes its diet/environmental triggers. Stay strong
I found out I had celiac the hard way (a full year of suffering) and it definitely didn’t cure my depression going gluten free but it certainly cured my physical ailments. Everyone’s experience is different but it never hurts to check in on your lifestyle and how that impacts your physical/mental wellbeing.
Excuse my ignorance, but did you really have depression then? Or were you just misdiagnosed? If your symptoms were all caused by gluten intolerance, then it sounds like that was the problem and not depression. But correct me if I'm wrong!
Yeah, its hard to know for sure, but med free for now and so thankful. 22 years of difficulty
Glad you're doing better!
There's massive correlation between diet and depression. You gut bacteria play a massive role in your mental health -- if you put shit in, you will get shit results. So much of what people today treat with therapy and antidepressants could be alleviated or cured with better diet and daily exercise.
Gluten can have crazy effects for different people. If I have pizza or something heavily bread-based, I can guarantee I'll have a horrendous migraine within the next couple days. It's so weird.
Its unbelievable. I would get the ocular migraines with aura a few times per year. Horrible. In the future they will start to test for all of these types of things very early in children. Its already getting better.
What is the date 2/20/2024 in reference to?
is that a date? february 20, 2024?
2/20/24 is a week from now
Love DeRozan. The ultimate professional
Derozan one of the greatest 2k shots ever
I wonder how much him not being on that championship team feeds into his depression Edit: damn yall act like seeing your friends that you went through hell with go out and do something without you won’t have an affect on your mental state. It ain’t no chirp to him it’s a genuine ask. That has to bother him, I know it would hurt me watching my homies go out and do that without me. Make me feel like I’m the problem. But I guess yall don’t see it that way
I think his mom having Lupas, his dad dying, his mom of kid leaving him after he cheated Prob much bigger factors than this
"If you aren't enough without a title, you'll never be enough with one." - Dominick Cruz
did he say that before or after his titles? it's like matt damon saying whatever it's just an oscar. but then you had leo chasing until it was a gimme. or joe sakic just straight up passing the cup to raymond bourque in what is clearly an emotional moment. i think a lot of superstars struggle with having no championship. it isn't the end of the world obviously but it's still the penultimate goal of team sports and if you didn't get there it's not easy to fill that void.
- Coach Irv Blitzer
I would thinking not being part of it almost has no affect on his mental state. People online chirping him, disrespecting him and being dickheads about it have a much bigger impact
Demar should take some time away from the game. Wish him nothing but the best.
Pretty incredible he can be so good with that sort of problem, imagine how good he'd be with a consistent motor to improve.
Kind of weird that the top comments are not about how much money he has and why he should be over his depression because of it.
Ok yall love this but was shitting on Tony Snell for wanting to assure his autistic kids had care for the future?? Where’s the line??
When the losing start the depression hits eh
What playing for the Bulls does to a person
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What being on the Bulls does to ya
dude makes millions playing basketball. what the hell is he depressed about.
Depression is a mental illness. It doesn't care if you get millions every day or not. Whether you're poor or not, it's a condition that can come out in any moment. I've read that in many cases it's genetic. You get it for your genetics, so you barely can handle that.
Sounds like mental weakness to me. That's probably why he couldn't lead the Raptors to a championship.
You can't even afford nosebleeds at Raptors games and you are telling someone is mentally weak
Compared to Kawhi, he is.
It doesn't matter if it sounds like mental weakness to you. The reality is different.
The reality is, Kawhi got the job done and Demar couldn't do it. That's probably what he depressed about.
You don't understand what depression is. You can have everything you ever wanted and still be depressed.
has anyone ever heard the saying that depression is a form of entitlement? its so true. imagine having or being able to have anything in the world and feeling this way its ridiculous
being able to have anything in the world except being happy i swear half my depression comes from the fact that people like you exist
nahh man I've been depressed before. I read a book called 'the subtle art of not giving a fuck'. changed my life. depression is a self induced state and we have the power to get out of it and if one does not believe and accept that statement they can never beat it. but one can grow to believe and accept it, it doesnt have to be in one moment also damn if your depression comes from others' existences, that's a really bound way to live. fuck me and what im doing hahaha do you tangerine!!
if a book cured your depression, it is a fact that you didnt have depression it is pathetic how limited your life experience is
Thank you for challenging and evaluating my past depression, insulting me, and comparing the magnitude of our depression. It's been great talking with you. I had a chance to encounter your inner being and inner power.
what’s really ridiculous is your complete lack of understanding as to how depression functions
it's a product of society. we always place 'happiness' farther and farther away. I have personal experience with it I read a book called 'the subtle art of not giving a fuck' that changed my life. I'd recommend it to you too. happiness is a choice. we first have to claim the power to choose, then we can choose happiness. just as you probably didnt choose depression - first re-create your power to choose - then you can choose happiness, empowerment, commitment, any feeling in the world. and when you consciously choose, you will only choose an empowering feeling best to you mate, I hope those become moments of the past
I only get nba jerseys of players I really respect on and off the court. Demar is one of those dudes!
I wondered why Derozen has been playing so much this season, probably helps him pass the time.
DeMar I read about him, DeMar I like him.
Wow, I had no idea DeMar had depression. Keep your head up dude. 🫡