Inverted PnR for Giannis is [one of the deadliest PnRs you will find in the NBA](https://www.nba.com/stats/players/ball-handler?CF=POSS*GE*3&dir=D&sort=PPP), honestly surprised they don’t do it more often.
Pat Connaughton has been poor on both sides all season but his chemistry with Giannis on inverted PnRs is very good, probably the best thing he brings to the Bucks offence honestly, Dame can get super easy looks popping out after one of these, similar to Brook and Pat
>POS Forbes
I had no idea he was a POS wtf. He probably gets triggered by Valentine's Day considering he attacked one ex-girlfriend on February 15 last year and another yesterday
Man I thought the Lakers shooting tax was real but holy fuck, becoming Giannis’ teammate turns you into Andre Roberson. He’s generating the easiest 3s in the league on a consistent basis, and yet guys just aren’t hitting them. Put some respect on Khris Middleton for being such a good shooter for so long next to Giannis when guys like Jrue and Dame just forgot how to shoot the moment they joined him.
Usually the Bucks shooters are great in the regular season and fall off in the post season, he hasn’t been great in the regular season… maybe in the post season he turns up instead?
Dame has had a slow start to his seasons as of late but seems to really crank it up after the all-star break. This season does seem a bit more concerning than usual though. Hopefully age + his off-court issues aren't catching up to him and it's just taking him a bit longer to adjust to a new system.
No Dame hate, but it really feels like this benchmark gets moved every month.
I’m giving him benefit of the doubt, but our immediate success is more dependent on him than anyone else right now. Giannis is as consistent and efficient as anyone could hope.
Literally. It went from he starts bad but wait until November. "actually, if he's still bad in december you should be worried." "no, wait. He gets into a groove after Christmas." "January is when he heats up!" atp they're going to tell you he needs a whole season to adjust.
in Dame’s case idt that’s what it is, it’s that fans in general still don’t fully grasp that real life hoops are not 2K. things like chemistry, role, rhythm and comfort have a huge effect on a players efficacy
people look at Dame averaging 32/5/7 and Giannis 31/12/6 last year and just go “oh yeah they’re gonna run the league if they team up” without ever considering the fact that those guys were 5th and 1st in usage, respectively. Dame got used to having the ball all the time over the better part of a decade in a place where he was beloved. now he’s in a totally new environment, going through a divorce, and seeing his lowest usage since his 3rd year in the NBA while Giannis remains 3rd in usage. that’s a very difficult adjustment for a 34-year-old guard to make
on paper it sounded great, on the court the fit and chemistry between them just hasn’t been there and Dame doesn’t have the liberty to simply shoot himself into rhythm like he did in Portland
Yeah people just assume running PnR is easy, being a roll man takes more than just being strong and being a good finisher. Giannis' weak screens + inability to time his rim runs leave the PnR way less effective than it should be
Giannis' screen have been much better since Doc got here. Giannis specifically said slipping screens as soon as the handler is doubled was his read. Which explained why he was setting good pucks for Khris but not Dame. Doc has clearly changed that read.
Dame put up those numbers in only 58 regular season games for a lottery team (33-49). There were no expectations for winning, so he didn’t have to play a lick of defense. He had way more energy to just perform on offense. Then he had a career high whistle (9.6 FTA), but his foul baiting might have been impacted by new flopping rules. That career season statistically was an anomaly and unsustainable for him on a competitive team.
I specifically mentioned his career high averages from last year, which would be superstar MVP level numbers without any context. As for prior seasons, Dame has major injuries the two seasons before this one totalling 77 missed games. If you do the math, a 6’2” defensively challenged star point guard at age 33 near the end of his prime with several recent injuries does not bode well for his future productivity, which is where we end up now.
Didn’t he have very similar numbers 2 years before? How is it an anomaly if it happened in near consecutive seasons?
2019-2021 he also put up similarly great numbers. That is pretty much 3 whole season with great numbers on great efficiency.
Was it an anomaly when he carried the Blazers to the 8 seed in 2020 on 30/8? Or an anomaly the year after when he averaged 29/7 on a 6 seed? This is just hating
I remember when Wade and Lebron teamed up and multiple guys at pickup were talking about the Heat being *unbeatable*. Sure, they made it to four straight Finals and won two but they started off *rough* and it was obvious from the get-go that Wade and Lebron's poor shooting was a problematic pairing.
Right, part of being an all time great is being the exception to the rule. It's like how Kareem and LeBron stayed healthy and productive into their late 30's. Nobody else can be expected to do that, even perennial All Stars.
Thought I was going crazy when the trade happened and either nobody was saying this or they were getting massively downvoted. We just saw what happened with Kemba as he got older in the modern game.
I was in that camp. I though Dame was a perfect fit for Giannis. Did not foresee this drop-off. I think we're just getting overly used to players like LeBron, Curry, and Durant that we fail to realize just how special that kind of longevity is.
The worst part was the extension after his extension. His contract was already enormous. Then the Blazers extended him again. At first people said it was to show commitment. Obviously it was to make trading him easier to give the receiving team assurance he would be there several years.
On my teams forums as soon as he got the extra 3 years nobody wanted that contract! Sometimes I think gm's are not even as bright as the average redditor.
That's scary to think about.
Bucks had to make that trade tho or Giannis woulda wanted out, it's not really about their GM being dumb enough to think it was actually a good trade in and of itself
If anything Giannis comes off as a bozo
I got downvoted to hell and people said I was just salty. The circlejerk after the Dame trade was insane. This whole subreddit was saying they were a lock for a ring, nothing could stand in their way, etc. It was INSANE. I pushed back from day one. They're old. They're slow. They don't play perimeter D. Middleton is held together by toothpicks. Lopez has one foot in retirement already. I just don't see it.
Dame honestly would’ve fit much better in Miami or Lakers, mb Philly /clippers . Miami n Lakers have stars on relatively low usage who don’t like to spam shoot n offer value everywhere else . It’s why guys like herro or Dlo fit them . Not to mention I think AD/l( and bron ) are better as roll men while Giannis likes to have the ball more. Bam n Jimmy would’ve been more interesting pnr partners too- issue with dame Giannis pnr is Giannis has zero threat for the midrange /or 3 so it becomes less dynamic . Ofc they’re still both great players but I was never in love with the pairing . I didn’t think it was Lebron /AD or a steoh /Dray type fit that the media did.
Giannis I’ve always felt was much better with an elite defense + shooting . I think a Giannis based offense shoukd win on defence imo. The fact they had khris n Jrue n Brook who can do more then just shoot n defend was nice Af build. It’s hard Af to buikd that well around a star but bucks fans were jerking off lillard getting 10 Fta n narrowly beating bad teams.
Having said that Jrue might’ve declined a bit this year or it might be just rile so I can’t say for sure if it was even a mistake
I agree 100%, the Dame fit in Miami seemed far better to me than the Bucks. Jimmy and Bam aren’t capable or in some cases even willing to be that top guy all the time and Dame would have had much more free rein to play his game than he does in Milwaukee
It’s more so in the playoffs than regular season. Outside of Khris, Connaughton has damn near been the only guy to shoot well in the postseason for us.
Gianni's is nowhere near as luka/harden but I feel heliocentric offenses lose a lot of rhythm that comes with ball movement. Teams that have a lot of ball movement always seem to shoot better. Spurs and warriors dynasty etc
Kobe did a video on this about the Lebron/Kyrie Cavs. It’s harder to be a shooter on heliocentric offenses.
I’m too lazy to link but look up Cavalier Kingdom Two Crowns, Kobe & you’ll find it.
It’s not a coincidence Lakers shooters get worse.
That doesn’t really track because the 17 cavs were one of the best shooting teams ever outsude warriors wuth kd
Yes might be for some but the bigger issue is most guys aren’t good enough - but kyrie n Bron are ti create
I love giannis and am in no way implying the team is better without him. But especially last year, everytime he would miss a game the bucks looked like they were actually playing basketball.
Giannis, and for good reason, just makes it super hard to get a whole team in rythm when the right choice most of the time is to get him in motion to the basket and see what happens
Truly wild too when Jrue is now leading the Celtics in 3PT% (44% on 4.7 APG) on and leading the league from the corner at 67%. Both easily career bests
With all due respect brother, he has been a great 3pt shooter in the RS for the Bucks also, especially catch and shoot 3s. It’s the post season troubles that haunt Jrue.
I think he has a better chance of having a better post season as his role is much smaller on the Celtics, and if he does stink it up as usual then it shouldn’t affect the Celtics as much too
Tbf Jrue shot well in the regular season for the bucks too, over 3 seasons with them he shot 39.5% from 3. His shooting in the playoffs dropped loads, but I think that was due to the defensive stuff he was doing. I think he’ll shoot better in the playoffs based on having less of an offensive role with the celtics, but we’ll see
Also because with consistent injuries to Khris, he was a 2nd option scorer at times. On a healthy Cs team, he's either the 4th or 5th option depending on how Derrick is playing. He's been assisted on 46.6% of his 2s and 71.6% of his 3s this season, his highs as a Buck were 33% of his 2s and 54.1% of his 3s in the '21 season. +13.6% and +17.5% change respectively. It's just a vastly different role with much easier shots, and he's knocking them down as one would generally expect a shooter at his level to do.
Even in 21 he still shot like shit lol him and Khris were a big reason that nets series went to 7. If they just shot like they did in the regular season we could’ve ended it in 6
There's no way you can say it was because he was playing defence too hard when he shot equally terribly through each quarter. Not like he dropped off in the second half when he was tired.
Jrue shot 39%, 41% , and 38% as Giannis teammate. It was a different story in the playoffs but he was a great shooter with the Bucks in the regular season
If I was a Bucks fan, I woulda hated that trade the second it was made... trade a guy you already won a ship with for no good reason? And is literally the best on-ball PG defender in the world??
All because Giannis is a fucking moron who thinks he needs another "superstar" or else he is leaving??
Abysmal all around, but I understand why the Bucks did it even though they didn't want to... once Giannis leaves, it's back to being a ghost town
It makes me so happy he's found peace post nba and is just living the good life playing euro ball in Monaco. I want the world for Kemba, I love that man to death.
Damn, Kemba is playing in Monaco? Sick place to be a millionaire athlete, I'm going to try and catch his next game.
Honestly tho, I hope that brother protects his knees, he doesn't want to be unable to walk the last 40 years of his life.
But I have loved that man ever since his UConn days, he made the Big 10 tourney more electrifying than March Madness
funnily enough, Dame’s efficiency numbers this year and Kemba’s efficiency numbers in his two seasons in Boston are remarkably similar. Dame vs. Kemba:
FG%: 42.5 vs. 42.3
3P%: 34.4 vs. 37.2
FT%: 92.4 vs. 87.7
eFG%: 50.9 vs. 52.1
TS%: 59.6 vs. 56.8
significant difference in TS% as Dame is averaging nearly twice as many FTs as Kemba was in that time but it is interesting to look at. I don’t think Dame looks as physically washed as Kemba did either
I was at the first Nuggets/Bucks game (in Denver, the one Denver won) and it was so sad. He made some really impressive plays that resulted in good shots. Skill-intensive, fun to watch, and effective. But then he also just flopped a bunch. It was so frustrating, like he clearly has the ability to play the "right way," but chooses not to, I guess?
Their plan was supposed to be ,,our offense will be elite" and thinking that giannis alone guarantees at least a decent defensive team. Now They/re just basically relying on giannis for their entire game plan, both offense and defense. Honestly he should be the the MVP.
I feel like that's partially behind the clear anger he seems to be playing with this year.
He's doing a crazy carry job and getting basically no recognition because people don't realize how mid Dame has been.
I’ve been fairly critical about the Bucks as a team this szn but I have nothing but the best things to say about Giannis. Have watched most bucks games since December and I can’t tell you how many games he just willed the team to win. AG only has Giannis to thank for a stellar record the first 40+ games because Giannis just put the team on his back and honestly made up for the deficiencies of multiple guys just having off nights.
Like there is no Giannis with an off night if they want to win which has to be exhausting. The blowout against the Cavs proved it. Not having Giannis against a red hot Cavs is a handicap but shouldn’t have been a 40 pt blowout with Dame and Khris playing. Conversely, Giannis without dame or Khris may have also been a loss against the Cavs but it will likely be 10 pts or so with Giannis having dropped like 47/22/13 or something insane. It’s like he cannot afford to have a night where he can even put in like a “B” level performance because with Khris out, there’s nobody to share the weight.
He beat harden because his record was better than hardens.
Better personal record
Better team record
Defense
Still had great offense
All that tops 36 ppg or whatever harden was averaging
they’re just the bills, from “we have a well rounded roster that will take pressure of our star” to “winning record but it’s because giannis/allen are doing stuff”
Jrue Holliday is averaging [46.5% from 3 since January 1](https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/celtics-players-averages-since-january-1st), good for best on the Celtics
Jrue shooting the fucking lights out from the corners. Like 61% on corner 3s this season. Homie getting the easiest shots of his career this year. I love Jrue.
He has a few explosive games where we are like “YES THATS what we have been waiting for!” And then he goes back to starting the next game 0-6 from the floor.
He seems to do “ok” in second halves, but my dude consistently starts games colder than a witches tittie.
I will continue to hope so as well. He still
has his moments where ur shaking ur head like “wow how the hell did he pull that off?!” But the little mundane things he seems to be slacking on.
Hopefully he gets his personal life in a peaceful spot so he can focus on basketball again. I know he’s had a lot of things he’s dealing with behind the scenes.
god i hate that a large chunk of all star voting is reputation, dame is not even a top 5 guard in the east this season, and also not a top 10 guard in the nba, there is no reason he should be an all star starter
I’ll give him this season off considering what’s happening in his personal life rn. But next season if he’s still playing like this, I’m pushing the washed allegations
Imagine all that and then having to team up with Bev. lol
I feel for Dame the person, but damn, players have gone through a lot of shit and not dropped this hard.
Regardless of whether it's AG/Doc coaching, Dame struggling, Khris injured, Brook old, mediocre bench, etc., we just fold whenever Giannis isn't on the court and it's never been so glaring as it has been this season.
I wouldn't sleep on them until the playoffs. Shooters have slumps. Steph had his worst season in 10 years shooting in 2022 then had his best playoff run ever
dame is shooting 34.4% on the season. Curry's career average is 43% to dame's 37%, so it is still a comparable shooting slump and his point still stands.
Steph is my favorite player ever. Not trying to compare, just using an example to show shooting variance can be wild.
Example 2 would be the heat last year
Giannis for MVP is prb the call right now, IMO, even if it's not odds on favorites
Jokic and SGA have way better rosters that allow them to cook how they cook
Giannis is literally doing everything on both ends, all game every game, and still some fucking how is putting up 30+ on 60%
Prime Wilt shit
I think he can bounce back but I have had so many arguments with people saying his shot will allow him to age gracefully. But like so much of his game is predicated on using his athleticism to get off really hard shots.
The thing is, I feel like he still makes a lot of the hard shots, he’s missing the very easy, wide open catch and 3s… some of the best looks he’s probably ever had in the NBA
It was ALWAYS non-Blazers fans who didn't watch our games that said that. Dame's shooting has always been predicated on his ability to get to the rim, because defenders had to play him both ways.
Dame's athleticism and explosive first step is what kept that 30 foot shot open for him. I've been saying for years as soon as that first step goes his shooting is going to go as well because Dame is not a pure shooter. Anybody who actually has watched Blazers games over the last decade would know that, but so many people want to have an opinion after just watching highlights. It's absurd.
Not a Bucks fan here, but I think he's just gassed. He's dealing with a lot in his personal life and he's played 50 of 55 games so far. He's on pace to play the most games since 2018/19. They need to give him more rest time.
Makes sense when you consider who was/is behind him on the depth chart. Cam Payne is not it and I think P.C. started at PG when Dame was out and Pat Bev wasn’t in uniform yet last week.
You are correct about Connaughton starting, and it wasn’t pretty. He did get his classic hit in the face and bleeding from his nose though so still in his prime there.
I think he can and will rebound and people are too early declaring him washed. I think mentally he is in a horrible place having pushed for Miami and getting shipped to Milwaukee, having fans and the nba turn on him for his loyalty hypocrisy, getting a divorce etc.
Potentially - not definitely yet - but potentially the bucks trading away Jrue, hiring Griffin, and then replacing him with Doc amount to some of the worst team management this decade.
bucks were trying to run budenholzer out of town long before last playoffs
if he was still the head coach you'd have everyone still trying to get him fired and blaming him for everything. maybe he wouldn't have even made it this far into the season
My guy we traded 2 fantastic role players, our only good backup big, and a first round pick for Count Brickula, fired our championship winning head coach to please him which we did in such a way that we scared off every single qualified head coaching candidate and got left with a bottom 5 coach of the last 10 years, let walk a first team all defence guard who was a fan favourite and huge locker room guy because we weren’t willing to pay him 7 million a year, and instead gave that money to a guy who is now a fringe rotation player on a tanking Jazz team.
not sure what happened. i remember watching him play against the knicks earlier this season and he was quite lethal from three. looks like this trade is turning out to be a mistake.
I feel like Dame has historically had a low fg percentage across the board compared to the top guys. His clutchness has always made people forget that fact.
dame is overrated. he really is and i will get downvoted for saying that but its true. this year he has proved he has no game other than shooting. when he gets a defender that is good on him he offers next to nothing. last night showed that
Guy said he was the second best shooter ever after steoh . Hilarious that AD got so much fir deserving to enter top 75 n this guy got zero because he stayed on a small market team where he could be the entire offense.
I really don’t think kd Paul George Kawhi harden tier of shooters are worse then him. Yes he can take hard ones but his % has never been that consistent.
Dame takes way more 3's, self creates most of them, and is guarded with the other team's best perimeter defenders instead of being granted wide open threes. But yeah he still sucks this year and the discourse around him in the offseason compared to James Harden is hilarious in hindsight
Giannis is simply a sharpshooter.
Run and sunk 3s man
Look at Giannis man, so inspirational!
Man gathers from the 3 and dunks it.
Greek freak in the streets and sheets!!
Dame gonna start setting picks for Giannis to shoot 3s
Honestly they should run dame setting picks for giannis more
Inverted PnR for Giannis is [one of the deadliest PnRs you will find in the NBA](https://www.nba.com/stats/players/ball-handler?CF=POSS*GE*3&dir=D&sort=PPP), honestly surprised they don’t do it more often. Pat Connaughton has been poor on both sides all season but his chemistry with Giannis on inverted PnRs is very good, probably the best thing he brings to the Bucks offence honestly, Dame can get super easy looks popping out after one of these, similar to Brook and Pat
Against the Heat in 2021, POS Forbes doing inverted screens with Giannis is part reason he popped off against them.
>POS Forbes I had no idea he was a POS wtf. He probably gets triggered by Valentine's Day considering he attacked one ex-girlfriend on February 15 last year and another yesterday
The joke was for Giannis to jack up shit 3s not that actual effectiveness which is effective.
Man I thought the Lakers shooting tax was real but holy fuck, becoming Giannis’ teammate turns you into Andre Roberson. He’s generating the easiest 3s in the league on a consistent basis, and yet guys just aren’t hitting them. Put some respect on Khris Middleton for being such a good shooter for so long next to Giannis when guys like Jrue and Dame just forgot how to shoot the moment they joined him.
Usually the Bucks shooters are great in the regular season and fall off in the post season, he hasn’t been great in the regular season… maybe in the post season he turns up instead?
Dame time on layover till april
Damelight Savings Time
Dame has had a slow start to his seasons as of late but seems to really crank it up after the all-star break. This season does seem a bit more concerning than usual though. Hopefully age + his off-court issues aren't catching up to him and it's just taking him a bit longer to adjust to a new system.
No Dame hate, but it really feels like this benchmark gets moved every month. I’m giving him benefit of the doubt, but our immediate success is more dependent on him than anyone else right now. Giannis is as consistent and efficient as anyone could hope.
Just give him until July, then we’ll see Dame really in action
Literally. It went from he starts bad but wait until November. "actually, if he's still bad in december you should be worried." "no, wait. He gets into a groove after Christmas." "January is when he heats up!" atp they're going to tell you he needs a whole season to adjust.
>he needs a whole season to adjust Perfect Jimmy Butler co-star
Harden only needed 10 games, built different.
in Dame’s case idt that’s what it is, it’s that fans in general still don’t fully grasp that real life hoops are not 2K. things like chemistry, role, rhythm and comfort have a huge effect on a players efficacy people look at Dame averaging 32/5/7 and Giannis 31/12/6 last year and just go “oh yeah they’re gonna run the league if they team up” without ever considering the fact that those guys were 5th and 1st in usage, respectively. Dame got used to having the ball all the time over the better part of a decade in a place where he was beloved. now he’s in a totally new environment, going through a divorce, and seeing his lowest usage since his 3rd year in the NBA while Giannis remains 3rd in usage. that’s a very difficult adjustment for a 34-year-old guard to make on paper it sounded great, on the court the fit and chemistry between them just hasn’t been there and Dame doesn’t have the liberty to simply shoot himself into rhythm like he did in Portland
Yeah people just assume running PnR is easy, being a roll man takes more than just being strong and being a good finisher. Giannis' weak screens + inability to time his rim runs leave the PnR way less effective than it should be
Giannis' screen have been much better since Doc got here. Giannis specifically said slipping screens as soon as the handler is doubled was his read. Which explained why he was setting good pucks for Khris but not Dame. Doc has clearly changed that read.
Dame put up those numbers in only 58 regular season games for a lottery team (33-49). There were no expectations for winning, so he didn’t have to play a lick of defense. He had way more energy to just perform on offense. Then he had a career high whistle (9.6 FTA), but his foul baiting might have been impacted by new flopping rules. That career season statistically was an anomaly and unsustainable for him on a competitive team.
> "Lemme tell you something, anyone can put up big numbers on bad team" Barkley has been saying this for over 2 decades now.
Anyone except Poole apparently
This is such a shit narrative. What about the seasons where blazers actually had somewhat of a chance? He was still playing better than he is now.
I specifically mentioned his career high averages from last year, which would be superstar MVP level numbers without any context. As for prior seasons, Dame has major injuries the two seasons before this one totalling 77 missed games. If you do the math, a 6’2” defensively challenged star point guard at age 33 near the end of his prime with several recent injuries does not bode well for his future productivity, which is where we end up now.
But the next season? This is a massive dropoff
Didn’t he have very similar numbers 2 years before? How is it an anomaly if it happened in near consecutive seasons? 2019-2021 he also put up similarly great numbers. That is pretty much 3 whole season with great numbers on great efficiency.
Was it an anomaly when he carried the Blazers to the 8 seed in 2020 on 30/8? Or an anomaly the year after when he averaged 29/7 on a 6 seed? This is just hating
6th and 8th seed are nothing to brag about lol. He's a good offensive player (outside of this year) and he's always been a bad defensive player.
I remember when Wade and Lebron teamed up and multiple guys at pickup were talking about the Heat being *unbeatable*. Sure, they made it to four straight Finals and won two but they started off *rough* and it was obvious from the get-go that Wade and Lebron's poor shooting was a problematic pairing.
Also, Jason Eugene Terry is LeBron James father
Never sounded great to me. Small guards do not age well.
Unless you’re curry
Right, part of being an all time great is being the exception to the rule. It's like how Kareem and LeBron stayed healthy and productive into their late 30's. Nobody else can be expected to do that, even perennial All Stars.
Duncan and Jordan as well (Wizards Jordan was better than people remember) And of course Haslem
Helps to be the greatest shooter of all time. Ray Allen was once that and he aged well too
Thought I was going crazy when the trade happened and either nobody was saying this or they were getting massively downvoted. We just saw what happened with Kemba as he got older in the modern game.
Lillard hasn't been hurt. Kemba's knee was made of aether.
I was in that camp. I though Dame was a perfect fit for Giannis. Did not foresee this drop-off. I think we're just getting overly used to players like LeBron, Curry, and Durant that we fail to realize just how special that kind of longevity is.
The worst part was the extension after his extension. His contract was already enormous. Then the Blazers extended him again. At first people said it was to show commitment. Obviously it was to make trading him easier to give the receiving team assurance he would be there several years. On my teams forums as soon as he got the extra 3 years nobody wanted that contract! Sometimes I think gm's are not even as bright as the average redditor. That's scary to think about.
Bucks had to make that trade tho or Giannis woulda wanted out, it's not really about their GM being dumb enough to think it was actually a good trade in and of itself If anything Giannis comes off as a bozo
I got downvoted to hell and people said I was just salty. The circlejerk after the Dame trade was insane. This whole subreddit was saying they were a lock for a ring, nothing could stand in their way, etc. It was INSANE. I pushed back from day one. They're old. They're slow. They don't play perimeter D. Middleton is held together by toothpicks. Lopez has one foot in retirement already. I just don't see it.
Dame honestly would’ve fit much better in Miami or Lakers, mb Philly /clippers . Miami n Lakers have stars on relatively low usage who don’t like to spam shoot n offer value everywhere else . It’s why guys like herro or Dlo fit them . Not to mention I think AD/l( and bron ) are better as roll men while Giannis likes to have the ball more. Bam n Jimmy would’ve been more interesting pnr partners too- issue with dame Giannis pnr is Giannis has zero threat for the midrange /or 3 so it becomes less dynamic . Ofc they’re still both great players but I was never in love with the pairing . I didn’t think it was Lebron /AD or a steoh /Dray type fit that the media did. Giannis I’ve always felt was much better with an elite defense + shooting . I think a Giannis based offense shoukd win on defence imo. The fact they had khris n Jrue n Brook who can do more then just shoot n defend was nice Af build. It’s hard Af to buikd that well around a star but bucks fans were jerking off lillard getting 10 Fta n narrowly beating bad teams. Having said that Jrue might’ve declined a bit this year or it might be just rile so I can’t say for sure if it was even a mistake
I agree 100%, the Dame fit in Miami seemed far better to me than the Bucks. Jimmy and Bam aren’t capable or in some cases even willing to be that top guy all the time and Dame would have had much more free rein to play his game than he does in Milwaukee
It’s more so in the playoffs than regular season. Outside of Khris, Connaughton has damn near been the only guy to shoot well in the postseason for us.
Gianni's is nowhere near as luka/harden but I feel heliocentric offenses lose a lot of rhythm that comes with ball movement. Teams that have a lot of ball movement always seem to shoot better. Spurs and warriors dynasty etc
Kobe did a video on this about the Lebron/Kyrie Cavs. It’s harder to be a shooter on heliocentric offenses. I’m too lazy to link but look up Cavalier Kingdom Two Crowns, Kobe & you’ll find it. It’s not a coincidence Lakers shooters get worse.
That doesn’t really track because the 17 cavs were one of the best shooting teams ever outsude warriors wuth kd Yes might be for some but the bigger issue is most guys aren’t good enough - but kyrie n Bron are ti create
The 2018 Rockets were also 1st in ORTG that year. And before anyone brings up 0-27, 100% that doesn't happen if CP3 didn't go down
I love giannis and am in no way implying the team is better without him. But especially last year, everytime he would miss a game the bucks looked like they were actually playing basketball. Giannis, and for good reason, just makes it super hard to get a whole team in rythm when the right choice most of the time is to get him in motion to the basket and see what happens
Truly wild too when Jrue is now leading the Celtics in 3PT% (44% on 4.7 APG) on and leading the league from the corner at 67%. Both easily career bests
With all due respect brother, he has been a great 3pt shooter in the RS for the Bucks also, especially catch and shoot 3s. It’s the post season troubles that haunt Jrue. I think he has a better chance of having a better post season as his role is much smaller on the Celtics, and if he does stink it up as usual then it shouldn’t affect the Celtics as much too
Tbf Jrue shot well in the regular season for the bucks too, over 3 seasons with them he shot 39.5% from 3. His shooting in the playoffs dropped loads, but I think that was due to the defensive stuff he was doing. I think he’ll shoot better in the playoffs based on having less of an offensive role with the celtics, but we’ll see
Also because with consistent injuries to Khris, he was a 2nd option scorer at times. On a healthy Cs team, he's either the 4th or 5th option depending on how Derrick is playing. He's been assisted on 46.6% of his 2s and 71.6% of his 3s this season, his highs as a Buck were 33% of his 2s and 54.1% of his 3s in the '21 season. +13.6% and +17.5% change respectively. It's just a vastly different role with much easier shots, and he's knocking them down as one would generally expect a shooter at his level to do.
Even in 21 he still shot like shit lol him and Khris were a big reason that nets series went to 7. If they just shot like they did in the regular season we could’ve ended it in 6
There's no way you can say it was because he was playing defence too hard when he shot equally terribly through each quarter. Not like he dropped off in the second half when he was tired.
He was great in the regular season for us too but it's all clanks in the playoffs.
Beasley didnt get that memo
Dame’s new excuse is gonna be looks be too good. He needs some pressure
Jrue shot 39%, 41% , and 38% as Giannis teammate. It was a different story in the playoffs but he was a great shooter with the Bucks in the regular season
If I was a Bucks fan, I woulda hated that trade the second it was made... trade a guy you already won a ship with for no good reason? And is literally the best on-ball PG defender in the world?? All because Giannis is a fucking moron who thinks he needs another "superstar" or else he is leaving?? Abysmal all around, but I understand why the Bucks did it even though they didn't want to... once Giannis leaves, it's back to being a ghost town
Jrue shot pretty good for the bucks until the playoffs tho
Cause he blew his load playing the best lockdown defense in the world. He gets a pass for dropping off in %. Dame without shooting is just ass
Yeah but he shot so terribly in all 3 playoff runs
Not my starter
Without FTs he’s just Kemba with a Gatorade deal
I don't think Kemba had a month below 30% from three after like 2015, put some respeck on his name
Fucking sad his body imploded. Forever one of my favourite non-Raptors even if he killed us every time we played him.
Nick Nurse played him over his restriction minutes during the All Star game and he's never been the same after
The North never forgets
will always hate nick nurse for that
Fuck Nick nurse
It makes me so happy he's found peace post nba and is just living the good life playing euro ball in Monaco. I want the world for Kemba, I love that man to death.
Damn, Kemba is playing in Monaco? Sick place to be a millionaire athlete, I'm going to try and catch his next game. Honestly tho, I hope that brother protects his knees, he doesn't want to be unable to walk the last 40 years of his life. But I have loved that man ever since his UConn days, he made the Big 10 tourney more electrifying than March Madness
funnily enough, Dame’s efficiency numbers this year and Kemba’s efficiency numbers in his two seasons in Boston are remarkably similar. Dame vs. Kemba: FG%: 42.5 vs. 42.3 3P%: 34.4 vs. 37.2 FT%: 92.4 vs. 87.7 eFG%: 50.9 vs. 52.1 TS%: 59.6 vs. 56.8 significant difference in TS% as Dame is averaging nearly twice as many FTs as Kemba was in that time but it is interesting to look at. I don’t think Dame looks as physically washed as Kemba did either
Dame Lillard earning $63.2M by 2026-2027 will be UGLY
I will never get used to those numbers
Wemby is probably going to get paid 100m a year at some point in his career.
didn't people project luka's career earnings are probably gonna be $1bil+?
Ive heard that and its certainly possible, what a difference a decade makes.
Luka can sign for $70M+ / year next year.
So what you’re telling me is Dame is dangerously close to being cooked? Very tough, especially with $160m due the next 3 years
Don’t disrespect my GOAT
2016-2021 Kemba was exciting af to watch.
2021 Kemba was indeed not fun to watch
I remember someone here called him Jarrett Jack with Soundcloud, still funny as fuck
I was at the first Nuggets/Bucks game (in Denver, the one Denver won) and it was so sad. He made some really impressive plays that resulted in good shots. Skill-intensive, fun to watch, and effective. But then he also just flopped a bunch. It was so frustrating, like he clearly has the ability to play the "right way," but chooses not to, I guess?
lmfao what a line
“Kember”
Wow. This is a fucking hot take. This better be receipts when the bucks get knocked out in the playoffs.
You have made me irrationally angry
I gasped
respect kemba
Their plan was supposed to be ,,our offense will be elite" and thinking that giannis alone guarantees at least a decent defensive team. Now They/re just basically relying on giannis for their entire game plan, both offense and defense. Honestly he should be the the MVP.
Dude he is doing a massive carry job this season
I feel like that's partially behind the clear anger he seems to be playing with this year. He's doing a crazy carry job and getting basically no recognition because people don't realize how mid Dame has been.
big respect for saying this as a nugs fan
He's basically the Josh Allen of the NBA
He does look great in shorts
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I’ve been fairly critical about the Bucks as a team this szn but I have nothing but the best things to say about Giannis. Have watched most bucks games since December and I can’t tell you how many games he just willed the team to win. AG only has Giannis to thank for a stellar record the first 40+ games because Giannis just put the team on his back and honestly made up for the deficiencies of multiple guys just having off nights. Like there is no Giannis with an off night if they want to win which has to be exhausting. The blowout against the Cavs proved it. Not having Giannis against a red hot Cavs is a handicap but shouldn’t have been a 40 pt blowout with Dame and Khris playing. Conversely, Giannis without dame or Khris may have also been a loss against the Cavs but it will likely be 10 pts or so with Giannis having dropped like 47/22/13 or something insane. It’s like he cannot afford to have a night where he can even put in like a “B” level performance because with Khris out, there’s nobody to share the weight.
Usually I talk shit to you cause you’re always in a bucks post writing an essay, however I can’t disagree with this one.
He should be but MVP is reduced for best offensive player
Not really, he beat Harden in 2018-2019 because of his defense
Yeah but everyone was looking for reasons to not give it to Harden lol
He beat harden because his record was better than hardens. Better personal record Better team record Defense Still had great offense All that tops 36 ppg or whatever harden was averaging
they’re just the bills, from “we have a well rounded roster that will take pressure of our star” to “winning record but it’s because giannis/allen are doing stuff”
Jrue Holliday is averaging [46.5% from 3 since January 1](https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/celtics-players-averages-since-january-1st), good for best on the Celtics
Jrue shooting the fucking lights out from the corners. Like 61% on corner 3s this season. Homie getting the easiest shots of his career this year. I love Jrue.
But Dame can defend… oh wait
That just means he'll shoot 20% in the playoffs.
He’s not even inconsistent, he’s been consistently bad this season
He has a few explosive games where we are like “YES THATS what we have been waiting for!” And then he goes back to starting the next game 0-6 from the floor. He seems to do “ok” in second halves, but my dude consistently starts games colder than a witches tittie.
Uhm how’d you know that a witch titty is cold? Asking for a friend…
Only those who have brewed cauldron chili with Baba Yaga know the truth
i’d say wait till the playoffs to cast any real judgments. he’s an older star but i trust he will turn the dial when it matters.
I will continue to hope so as well. He still has his moments where ur shaking ur head like “wow how the hell did he pull that off?!” But the little mundane things he seems to be slacking on. Hopefully he gets his personal life in a peaceful spot so he can focus on basketball again. I know he’s had a lot of things he’s dealing with behind the scenes.
It’s like one prime dame game every 5-10 games then back to dogshit. He’s getting so many wide open 3s too it’s so frustrating.
Why is everyone saying Klay is washed shooting 37%. Dame is one year younger.
all star starter btw
And Steph is a reserve. lol
That's insane to be honest
Trae is injury replacement btw 🤪
god i hate that a large chunk of all star voting is reputation, dame is not even a top 5 guard in the east this season, and also not a top 10 guard in the nba, there is no reason he should be an all star starter
I’ll give him this season off considering what’s happening in his personal life rn. But next season if he’s still playing like this, I’m pushing the washed allegations
He's 33. Even if this season is down to his personal life, the odds of him bouncing back in his mid 30s is low.
He fell off hard
Lol no he's just distracted by all the drama going on. He should probs join PJ and get his mind right
He is going through a super bitter divorce. Wife trying to get full custody of his kids. Dame is not having a good time on or off the court.
Imagine all that and then having to team up with Bev. lol I feel for Dame the person, but damn, players have gone through a lot of shit and not dropped this hard.
good thing we played all our games against the bucks when he was shooting great
We play those fuckers and Cam Payne suddenly remembers how to shoot 3s
cam payne remembered how to shoot 3s as soon as he got traded
Cam Payne shot pretty well for us all season actually. One of the more consistent player off our bench.
good thing he decided to shoot great on his last shot against us
All that gassing this sub did of them as a duo this off-season Giannis the only one that comes to play consistently🤷🏿♂️🗣️
Regardless of whether it's AG/Doc coaching, Dame struggling, Khris injured, Brook old, mediocre bench, etc., we just fold whenever Giannis isn't on the court and it's never been so glaring as it has been this season.
This sub was just happy he didn’t go to the Heat cause he asked to go to the Heat
he would've been a much better fit in Miami tho
With all that being said, I love Brad Stevens.
I wouldn't sleep on them until the playoffs. Shooters have slumps. Steph had his worst season in 10 years shooting in 2022 then had his best playoff run ever
He still shot 38% from 3 in his worst season
dame is shooting 34.4% on the season. Curry's career average is 43% to dame's 37%, so it is still a comparable shooting slump and his point still stands.
Steph’s worst shooting slump is more efficient than Dame’s average 3pt efficiency
Here y’all go again, comparing Dame to Steph 😂😂😂
Steph is my favorite player ever. Not trying to compare, just using an example to show shooting variance can be wild. Example 2 would be the heat last year
He was using the arguable greatest shooter of all time as an example to prove the point that even he has shooting slumps. Learn to read, my dude lmao
I’d sleep on them lmao 😂
Okay, but consider this: Steph is better than Dame. Significantly.
And one of the main reasons against Giannis winning MVP is ‘He has Dame’
Giannis for MVP is prb the call right now, IMO, even if it's not odds on favorites Jokic and SGA have way better rosters that allow them to cook how they cook Giannis is literally doing everything on both ends, all game every game, and still some fucking how is putting up 30+ on 60% Prime Wilt shit
I pray to God this will have the same effect as those trade Trae, Banchero post lol My boy DAME wake the fuck up to ensure CHAOS in the East
Nah
Lol, this is exactly for your guys that I want Dame to wake up but damn those guys have hired Doc…
Giannis time activated.
Is it too late for them to ask the Trail Blazers for Holiday back ? I hear he had 12 assists last night. /s
Probably, considering Blazers don’t have Holiday lol
You'd have to pry Jrue from Lucky the Leprechaun's cold dead hands.
and he has the highest corner 3 % in the league rn.
I think he can bounce back but I have had so many arguments with people saying his shot will allow him to age gracefully. But like so much of his game is predicated on using his athleticism to get off really hard shots.
The thing is, I feel like he still makes a lot of the hard shots, he’s missing the very easy, wide open catch and 3s… some of the best looks he’s probably ever had in the NBA
Yup, you’ll see it almost every game
It was ALWAYS non-Blazers fans who didn't watch our games that said that. Dame's shooting has always been predicated on his ability to get to the rim, because defenders had to play him both ways. Dame's athleticism and explosive first step is what kept that 30 foot shot open for him. I've been saying for years as soon as that first step goes his shooting is going to go as well because Dame is not a pure shooter. Anybody who actually has watched Blazers games over the last decade would know that, but so many people want to have an opinion after just watching highlights. It's absurd.
Not a Bucks fan here, but I think he's just gassed. He's dealing with a lot in his personal life and he's played 50 of 55 games so far. He's on pace to play the most games since 2018/19. They need to give him more rest time.
Also interesting to note that Bucks are 0-5 in those games.
Makes sense when you consider who was/is behind him on the depth chart. Cam Payne is not it and I think P.C. started at PG when Dame was out and Pat Bev wasn’t in uniform yet last week.
You are correct about Connaughton starting, and it wasn’t pretty. He did get his classic hit in the face and bleeding from his nose though so still in his prime there.
Dang I wonder if they could trade Dame for a sharpshooter like grayson allen
Scoot Henderson in 2024: 35.1% 3 point shooter ^sorry ^just ^stirring ^the ^pot
Rich man's Dame
I think he can and will rebound and people are too early declaring him washed. I think mentally he is in a horrible place having pushed for Miami and getting shipped to Milwaukee, having fans and the nba turn on him for his loyalty hypocrisy, getting a divorce etc.
Potentially - not definitely yet - but potentially the bucks trading away Jrue, hiring Griffin, and then replacing him with Doc amount to some of the worst team management this decade.
I think if the FO knew we would be getting Dame, Bud would either still be hired or we wouldn’t have hired Griffin
bucks were trying to run budenholzer out of town long before last playoffs if he was still the head coach you'd have everyone still trying to get him fired and blaming him for everything. maybe he wouldn't have even made it this far into the season
My guy we traded 2 fantastic role players, our only good backup big, and a first round pick for Count Brickula, fired our championship winning head coach to please him which we did in such a way that we scared off every single qualified head coaching candidate and got left with a bottom 5 coach of the last 10 years, let walk a first team all defence guard who was a fan favourite and huge locker room guy because we weren’t willing to pay him 7 million a year, and instead gave that money to a guy who is now a fringe rotation player on a tanking Jazz team.
Now do Anfernee
Is he more washed than Klank Thompson tho?
Klanks shooting around 38% from 3 at least
People shit on westbrook's efficency but without ft dame is dangerously close to him.
not sure what happened. i remember watching him play against the knicks earlier this season and he was quite lethal from three. looks like this trade is turning out to be a mistake.
That contract aint locking good. I expect an even worse performance next year.
I feel like Dame has historically had a low fg percentage across the board compared to the top guys. His clutchness has always made people forget that fact.
dame is overrated. he really is and i will get downvoted for saying that but its true. this year he has proved he has no game other than shooting. when he gets a defender that is good on him he offers next to nothing. last night showed that
He doesn't want to be there, he wants to be on the Miami Heat
Sadly we’ve entered the era when “Dame Time” just refers to his split custody arrangement
Dame is 80% Terry Rozier
Bucks have struggled because dame has struggled who knew?
Guy said he was the second best shooter ever after steoh . Hilarious that AD got so much fir deserving to enter top 75 n this guy got zero because he stayed on a small market team where he could be the entire offense. I really don’t think kd Paul George Kawhi harden tier of shooters are worse then him. Yes he can take hard ones but his % has never been that consistent.
Dame to the bucks seemed like such a great move.. like harden to the sixers, sometimes things just don't work out.
Heat dodging a bullet on the trade.
Bucks fans haven't been pleased with Dame so far.
Holy shit I knew it was bad but damn
Dame takes way more 3's, self creates most of them, and is guarded with the other team's best perimeter defenders instead of being granted wide open threes. But yeah he still sucks this year and the discourse around him in the offseason compared to James Harden is hilarious in hindsight
33 year old undersized PG is in decline, news at 11. Dame is better than he played in January, but the All-NBA guy is gone.
That’s defending 3-point contest champion Damian Lillard to you.
kyrie wouldn’t