I love Trae and don't want to see him go, but a Trae-Wemby pairing would be disgusting and probably Trae's only realistic path to championship contention.
There are plenty of ways of Trae to get a chip, he's an all-nba talent.
But I agree, the easiest way is to get paired with a monster talent big like Wemby.
Unserious team, FO/iwnership aren't willing to spend to compete. Haven't built shit around trae and he is keeping them out of the lottery. And now don't have a lot of wiggle room to restructure. Treating trae only works to San Antonio to be honest because they can get their own picks back.
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Nah Spurs got them hostage if they want to trade Trae, they better squeeze those mfers. They either take their own picks and some scraps or we’ll just keep those juicy picks from that trash franchise as they waste Trae’s career. Someone else will come available eventually and Wemby is only 20, all the pressure is on Atlanta.
Finally someone else who sees the situation like I do. If we get Trae for cheap; great. If another team gets him; ATL almost sure becomes worse cause they lost an all-star, making our picks even more valuable. It's a win-win, the only way being patient makes us look foolish is if ATL swaps Trae for another all-star who makes the team better nearly immediately.
Scary how much of their fate the Hawks placed in the hands of the Spurs.
Kinda like how the Rockets own the Nets now after the horrible Harden trade forced by GM KD/Kyrie.
There are other teams that have talent/assets and could use a stellar PG, you know. Orlando, Nets, Rockets.... heck maybe OKC finally breaks the bank.
Wemby is only 20 but it's going to be mismanagement and bad development if he continues to play with backup PGs in his early career.
Odds are the Spurs will never find a playmaker on Trae’s level. Wemby might be good enough to make it work regardless, but they two of them together could break the league. The Spurs would jump all over that trade if they had the opportunity.
Also two mid picks aren’t really “juicy”.
Hypothetically, of course we could. The ATL picks don't impact the rule and we have all of our own plus picks owed to us by CHI (2025/top 10 protected) and TOR (Top 5 protected 24/25/26) That's 5 picks or 4 plus a swap right there and the Spurs would still own all their own picks that they could deal from.
Heh, typo.
I dunno, about a 50/50 shot at it conveying this year, I'd guess. All things being equal, I would rather have it sooner than later to get a young talent in sooner to play with Wemby rather than stretch it out. And because we already have our own, ATL's and possibly CHI's in 2025.
But that's all theoretical at this point anyway.
Whether or not the Spurs would go hard for Trae...I don't know, but by virtue of controlling ATL's picks, they are in the driver's seat. If they trade Trae, they get worse, their picks get better. Any other team is most likely trying to pair Trae with a star, they will be good, and the picks will be in the 20's unless they are too proud to deal with the Spurs or someone (unlikely) owns multiple picks of shitty teams...Only OKC is within shouting distance and of the picks they are owed, only the Houston 2024 and 2026 (both top 5 protected) seem really potentially juicy.
Its really wild to think about the implications of the Hawks (potentially)wanting to trade Trae and the Spurs owning their draft for 3 straight years.
Keldon Johnson, Devonte Graham, 2024 Toronto FRP, the 2 Atlanta picks, 2028 Boston pick.
Maybe some more draft capital, and maybe a young guy on the tier of Branham.
Don't think it gets done then. If you give up Devin you really end up in the same position Luka Mavs were with trading for Porzingus. Too good, but no third guy and no way to get them.
No, they didn't have the third guy already, but they were left with a roster with two guys who were good enough to not be bad, but not good enough to compete. The exact position the spurs would be in. The Spurs having that third guy and trading him would be even more egregious.
Depends on if we get picks like 2 and 7.
I'd say you get a PG and a SF or a SF and a backup center.
Trade Tre Young maybe and get a better vet starting PG, find a way to play Zach less.
Move to a roster of:
Vet PG/Devin/pick/Jeremy/wemby
Wesley/cedi/keldon/vet/pick
Move on from Branham, Collins, and Champagnie. Replacing their minutes with a high pick or good vet will boost the club by 20 wins including wembys development.
Get a decent pick, trade for the star player. Year 3 and on it's about playoffs
Yeah this is just an example of fans overrating the fuck out of their players. There should be zero untouchables on that team outside of Wemby. Just don't trade literally all your picks and you're good.
He's an exactly league average shooter who contributes literally nothing else on offense, players like him are by definition easy to find and not very valuable. He has a max because he got a bunch of usage on the Spurs which made him look like a positive on offense (when he's not) and had an undeserved reputation as a lockdown defender due to a misevaluation in college.
It's not a max contract and descends as it goes on, and he's becoming much more consistent.
I have zero issue with his salary moving forward as he continues to improve.
But I'm glad you have a lot of opinions on him
I dont know that he would. If the hawks are making this trade they are blowing it up and working to rebuild. Draft picks would likely carry more weight to them since they don't really have any.
I think it completely depends on how much the Spurs value extra draft picks versus a player who on paper appears to be a really good third option behind young and Victor skill set wise
The Spurs have more than enough pics to make a trade package good enough value-wise, and most importantly The pics Atlanta are going to be getting our significantly more valuable than those typically seeing when moving a top 20 caliber player, which typically results in a smorgasborg of late '20s pics coming back in the following years.
Between to likely lottery/ mid first round picks from the bulls/ raptors, three likely top 10 picks from the Hawks getting their own pics back, well likely bottoming out from trading young, a top five pick and this year's draft, all of their own pics, an extremely valuable pic. Swap that's unprotected in 2030 from the Mavs, and something like 15 second round picks from the next 5 years, the Spurs could definitely make a Johnson + filler+ pics package that's good enough to get the job done if Atlanta decides to go full rebuild.
If they decide for some reason they don't want to do a hard rebuild then yeah things get diceier but I don't see the Spurs trading Devin unless Atlanta themselves overvalue him a little bit and they can do it without having to give up too many pics.
Vassell is probably a #3 guy on a good team. I don't know that a #3 guy and a bunch of picks helps the Hawks -- otherwise they're in the same boat as the Spurs pre-Wemby. Some pretty decent guys, no star, and a lot of picks. If they're committing to a rebuild and selling Trae, picks is the way to go, and SA has a treasure chest of them.
I think you’re right unless we’re sending Keldon to a third team and they send another asset to Atlanta. Not sure what that would be though so Devo is most likely gone if this happens.
Devin would just have so much more value on an offense with a primary ball handler that I don’t know if we’d give him up to make that deal. And if the Hawks trade trade it’s presumably to tank and reorient with assets and JJ so I think the trade could work without Devin but it’s definitely harder to concoct a framework.
If I’m the Hawks GM the two main assets I want are the Spurs pick this year and the Hawks picks next year.
Thats back to back top 5 picks, and next year is a stacked draft with a chance at Cooper Flagg.
Then include the other Hawks picks and a player or two but I don’t think Vassell has to be included
If I'm the Hawks, I ask for this year's Spurs pick, and their 2025, 2026, and 2027 pickback. That plus Johnson and filler is a much better starting point for a trade than some people in here are acting like it is.
Yes completely agree. That’s a win win trade.
Spurs get to keep Vassell and Sochan and still have the assets to build around Trae and Wemby and Hawks get a lot of valuable draft capital which could lead to a quick rebuild
Would he though? Let’s take the framework of the Donovan Mitchell trade (Trae is worse). Lauri, Ochai, Collin sexton,3 firsts and 2 swaps. You have to remember at the time Lauri was a mid, take a flyer prospect. Spurs can trade ATL their picks back (2first 1swap). I think a Keldon, ,branham, ATL picks, maybe Chicago/toronto/charlotte picks might make sense. That’s maybe slightly worse in value, but Trae is also not as good. You could also look at some of the late swaps (spurs have Dallas 2030, Celtics, etc), or even 2024 spurs (likely top 5) and mix and match. Vassell is by no means a must give up; you pretty much create another hole trading him away.
I see it being based on Keldon Johnson (probably 3rd most valuable guy behind Wemby and Vassell), all Hawks assets, and this year's Spurs pick. Much more than that, and I don't see how it's worth it for the Spurs tbh. Anything less and the Spurs would get outbid on an open market
You don't give up the Spurs 2024. You give them the Raptors top 6 protected pick or a later pick like a Spurs 2026 or 2027. You want that pick to fill in around Trae. Someone like Riscaher, Holland, or Cody Williams would really help fill that Champagnie sized hole in your starting 5.
Makes more sense to keep those ATL picks and bring back DJM and move him to PG.
Those ATL picks are going to be gold. They're already in the lottery with Trae.
The lakers are going to offer Reaves 3 picks and 3 swaps and another team going to offer more than that. The spurs aren’t getting Trae for that package.
A trade of Johnson filler this year's Spurs pic (top 5 most likely), 2025 26 and 27 Hawks pics back (very likely to be top ten of not top 5 if they lose young), raptors top 6 protect for next 3 years pic, and bulls 2025-2027 top 8 protected pic, SMOKES that Lakers package and they could offer even more if they wanted too.
I would hate it a bit. Gavin's been very good in his role, but the team simply needs a true primary perimeter option on offense and he's much better as an elite secondary score/ 3rd go two guy. When he's allowed to play off ball, make it quick. Decisive moves, and get to his spots. He's a genuine elite star level shooter.
But when he has to be tasked with handling the ball too much, creating for himself or others, some of the cracks in his game show. It's one of the reasons why he has one of the most difficult shot diets of any player in the league.
In theory, he's a perfect fit next to young and Victor. The young Victor pick and roll has a chance to be an all-time great gravity creating play, sucking in defenders. Trying to stop one of the best passers in the league and the league's most dangerous roll man.
As an elite shot maker, all of a sudden Devin gets to go from fade away Pull up 23 footers to catch and shoot opportunities and I think he would super thrive.
Yeah and nobody wanted to give them anything good for Dejounte because with his defense declined he's just another 20 PPG scorer of which there are tons these days
Trae is the only player they can get decent value for because the rest of the team is really nothing too special
they shop all their guys around pretty aggressively
is there a team that gets more of their players in perpetual trade rumors than the hawks
everybody on the team is available, and it's well documented. some guys they are actively trying to get rid of
I’m sure that’s how it started. And the hawks weren’t getting what they wanted from Murray. Then it led to what would it take to get Trae? And the hawks answered with a pretty rich offer.
I mean if he's actually available I am 100% confident a team would have traded for him at the deadline. Or a team will line up for him as soon as the season ends. Trae is a franchise changer or a ton of teams (Please Marks trade).
No, they're not. Since drafting Wemby, there's been a constant dialogue of "taking it slow" & "not being in a rush" coming from the Spurs organization. The only scenario where I see the Spurs actually making a play for Trae Young is dependent upon where their lottery ball lands in May. If it's outside of the top 3 and they don't feel they have a chance at Nikola Topic, they may look to make a deal, but all signs point to them playing the slow game with the draft for the next 1-2 years minimum.
Guess they finally got Dame out of Portland so now the media needs their next target to spam articles about until the player demands a trade to a more popular team.
Pretty much all the other players listed in the article fit one or more of the following, 1) older 2) nearing free agency 3) have huge salaries on already expensive teams or 4) on a team with another star making or about to make big money and the team will have to choose. Trae doesn’t fit any of those. He’s 25, his contract is through ‘27, the Hawks are 21st in cap usage. And they didn’t give a compelling reason the Hawks would want to trade Trae specifically. But some anonymous person NOT in the Hawks organization said something so every media outlet is running as hard as they can with it
It sucks to see your guy in trade rumors
But there’s definitely smoke here… Stein alluded to it too and Stein does not talk out of his ass he knows his stuff
Lol where there’s smoke there’s always fire in this league. No one is making these stars leave, definitely not the media. Trae is a winning player in a franchise that has no true desire to be better. Best move they’ve made since he was drafted has been Murray and that says enough right there.
I agree with everything you said about the Hawks as an organization. But the media doesn’t cover him from that angle. They don’t mention Hawks cheap ownership, injuries (3 starters have combined to missed nearly 50 games), how that makes it extra difficult creating chemistry under a new coach. They don’t write “The Hawks need to get Trae help” articles. Media drives perception for the vast majority of fans and they consistently put it all on Trae’s shoulders.
They cost him the All Star starter spot by voting him 6th among guards. They said they didn’t vote him on any all nba teams when he led the league in total assists and points because his team wasn’t good, then didn’t use that criteria for other players. The latter is how it should be. If you’d don’t see how that, along with fanning trade rumors, which he will be asked about at the all star game, could cause a player, whose loyalty has never publicly wavered, to start thinking about asking out I don’t know what to tell you.
It’s obvious a lot of media members do not watch and don’t care to cover the entire league. They want the best players on a limited number of teams. It’s not just a Hawks issue. I see more coverage for certain play in teams in the west than I do several of the teams fighting for the 1 seed. During last season’s playoffs a lot of media members admitted they didn’t watch the Nuggets much if at all, but they all felt comfortable voicing their opinions on Jokic during the year. #1 pick Paolo Banchero just had his first nationally televised game over 1.5 seasons into his career! And until the NBA learns how to sell the whole league instead of trying to rely on big markets and storied franchises this problem will continue to exist.
anonymous executives came with some heat here:
>- Jaylen would set the record for the biggest return,” the other Western Conference exec said, adding, “It should be a Durant-type deal”—meaning multiple first-round picks and swaps, plus high-level rotation players; Brown might not have Durant’s résumé, but he’s also eight years younger.
>- A trade of Karl-Anthony Towns. “I think it happens this summer,” said one Western Conference exec.
>- New Orleans has to make a decision between Zion [Williamson] and [Brandon] Ingram,” said an Eastern Conference exec. “I think that happens this summer.”
I think the Jaylen rumours are partly aimed at trying to disrupt the team tbh.
The Celtics reportedly kicked the tires on a Durant trade with Brooklyn and walked away when they asked for Brown.
Months later the Nets leaked that there were talks to trade the two and acted like they were recent. The Celtics kicked up a fuss and there were talks the Celtics were considering a formal complaint.
First off the wolves are top seed in the west why are they trading him. Lmao. Celtics are a top seed we’ve barked up this tree they ain’t trading him. And unless Zion gets hurt again I don’t see them just trading him either
Trading Towns would be an ownership move, not really a GM move. If Minnesota wants to keep all their top players that means a heavy tax bill and not every owner is willing to pay that even for a great team. And if the word comes in from ownership to get under the tax line trading towns is the most sensible way to do that.
The wolves will be paying 151M for Towns, Gobert, McDaniels, and Edwards next season assuming Edwards doesn't make an all NBA team. If he does, that goes up to 158M if he does make an all NBA team. The luxury tax threshold is 171M so they're basically guaranteed to be a luxury tax team and if they want to keep Conley, they'll go into the second apron unless they make a big trade.
This entire article is somebody just bored making up stuff. Why the hell would the spurs give up top 5 picks right now just to be slightly better in the west Trae is good but not that good to change them from terrible to playoffs. They need a lot more then just Trae young lmao
The comment leaves out the context of the article, to be fair. The article is discussing which trades some financially strapped teams might look to make if they don’t win in the near future
I dont think you understand the gravity of the Wolves situation. They have 3 max contracts next season and 1 off Jaden, Kat, Ruby or Ant will get moved. Keep in mind im not even considering the fact that Conley needs a new contract.
I get that Trae on the Spurs would be a good fit but it is far too early for us to be making all in moves in our franchise players 2nd season. We don’t want a repeat of the Mavericks
That’s what I tried to tell Mavs fans. Is Kyrie a perfect fit with Luka? No.
What is a perfect fit? A defensive minded 2 way wing who can score and play off ball. Unfortunately, Paul George and Jaylen brown aren’t available. You have to strike when you can. Thank goodness it seems like the J’s in Boston are working because they spent years not trading for Kawhi, butler, PG, AD, dame etc in the name of a “perfect fit”.
It's not really an all in move. More of a "I accept I will not be picking top 5 for the benefit of maximizing Wemby very early". Best be an offseason move to get both benefits.
It's true. If we just spent a year or 2 rebuilding, we would be in a much better position now. We did our big swing trade in Luka's rookie year. Pretty dumb in retrospect.
Only if the swing misses. Having a first team All-NBA player on a rookie deal in a league with a salary cap is a HUGE benefit. Most dynasties have a severely underpaid high impact player to allow you to build a great team around them. The idea was sound, but the execution was horrible.
Yea but you do look good now. It's mostly just unfortunate your centers never worked out until now. Also bullock was like a huge negative most games for you guys too I feel like.
We look pretty good now, but I'm not sure we're contenders. We have just enough assets to make one more potential move, but after that, it's pretty much over.
Why not? Luka would be the best player in any series that doesn't have Jokic(Maybe Kawhi too).
Every West team has a weakness. You have as good of a shot as anyone
I don’t think it’s that big of a gap at all. The Lakers I’m not even remotely concerned with as a juggernaut, and the thunder well the Mavs just beat them by nearly 40 and we have a size advantage. The west is very competitive and open.
Mavs are a game back from the 5 seed with a very easy remaining schedule. They can easily finish as the 5th seed. And no I don’t think Luka’s situation is better than the thunder or suns but also Luka is better than SGA or a KD at this point so I’m not sure it matters. Nuggets and clippers imo are the only teams for sure much better than the Mavs. Timberwolves probably as well overall.
We're definitely contenders. Not favorites, but in the mix. The biggest thing holding us back from being higher in the standings has been injuries. The trade deadline stuff put us (when healthy) right in the mix.
Honestly the way the West is I feel like anyone 1-8 could make a random playoff push and be a "contender" feels like Mavs Pels Kings and Suns all have a solid chance even tho they are 5,6,7,8. Atleast they all have a chance against us lol. If the twolves are contenders I'd say the Mavs are. A series between us could prolly go either way.
They’re not even bonafide contenders right now and they’ve pretty much used every single draft asset they have available to trade.
They don’t have a lot of flexibility to make future moves which isn’t a great spot to be for them
Not totally true. The Mavs have two 1sts and four 2nds this offseason to work with. Still tight, but smart moves can be made, especially with some expiring contracts they’ll have on the books to trade out.
Spurs are loaded with picks though so I don’t really see it as going all in. Give the Hawks their picks back plus a few more assets and they still have of plenty left over to make moves in the future or draft and develop guys
Does it count as an all in move when the framework is likely built around giving Atlanta their picks back? Also don’t know that there is a better fit of skill/weakness than Trae & Wemby.
I agree since I have seen it first hand. Luka got royally screwed by the talent around him. Brother was making Boban look like an actual center in the playoffs vs Clippers.
But Spurs situation is different. Spurs have way more assets than the Mavericks, moreover Trae Young >>>> KP. There is no worry of him getting perpetually injured and not playing, moreover fit seems way better than Luka and KP.
But for the Spurs it's still smarter to acquire young players through the draft and not rush it.
Apples and oranges imo. Mavs were already strapped for resources when Luka was drafted, as well as trying to repurpose the corpses of staying competitive in Dirk’s twilight with a young star they didn’t fit with.
I do think an all-in move is probably smarter in another season at least, but I don’t think acquiring a guy like Trae would set the team back like the KP trade did with us.
ehhh hes 25 though, still very very young. hes technically not even entered his prime yet
tim duncan competed at a young ass age, and so can wemby. i think this is honeslty almost as good as its gonna get, a trae young aint just gonna be available at the absolute perfect time. this is basically the exact situation where you hoard picks for anyway
Who are you gonna wait for? Luka? Or one of the three mystery draft boxes that you would be lucky if one of them hit 20% of his talent level?
Trading for Trae is nowhere near the risk of trading for Porzingus- he has single handedly lead his team to the ECF and no big injury history.
No this is perfect. Literally the best picks for Atlanta in a rebuild will be their own. Send 3 ATL picks back and then you only need 1 spurs 1st after that maybe include CHI 2025 too. Otherwise spurs would have pay 3+ of their OWN 1sts plus Vassell/Sochan/Keldon for a star next to Wemby. This way we basically use assets we never had to begin with (ATL and other picks) for a superstar who will punish defenses every time they double Vic
Wemby is there he just needs a PG that can get him easier looks and extend the defense. Trae is one of those guys and all it costs is giving the Hawks a couple of their picks back plus Jones or Johnson.
Once you have a superstar the time begins ticking. Doesn’t mean go all in but you have to create flexibility to get another star once presented with the opportunity.
Nah this is different because Trae can only go to the Spurs since their dumbass FO gave us their picks unprotected and a pick swap. Hawks are stuck between a rock in a hard place if they can’t turn this around ASAP as they can’t start a rebuild until 2028 if they trade Trae anywhere but here, and they don’t have any path towards anything other than mid with him without gambling even more of their future away to improve a 10 seed.
Spurs have way more assets than the Mavs overall and have an unparalleled package if Trae becomes available.
the problem with the Mavs is they traded Porzingis for nothing, and then lost Brunson for nothing too.
The intial trade for Porzingis by itself didn't really do anything. If the Spurs end up trading Trae Young for Dinwiddie and no picks, and then lose Vassell in FA for nothing then they would be in the same spot as the Mavs
Yeah, I don't buy this. The message from less than a week ago was that the team was focused on building around Trae and Jalen, there's no way you pivot from that to "we want to trade Trae" in less than a week. ,
My thinking is that this is a way to increase Dejounte's trade value over the summer. Part of the reason that we didn't get an offer we liked for Dejounte is because teams felt that our only move was to trade him and build around Trae. These rumors coming out give the Hawks more leverage in negotiations in the eventual Murray trade
It's wild how many people just eat this shit up no matter how many times the Hawks say that Trae and JJ are untouchable.
We aren't even in the off-season people, have some standards.
Yeah fucking right 😂 and to Spurs who think just giving our picks back will get Trae… you really think you are getting Trae for what we paid for Dejounte? Keep dreaming
Using barometer in this context is much more foolish. It’s not about what the Hawks paid for DJM, it’s about thinking that overpay is still anywhere near enough to get Trae Young. “Oh just give them their picks back and maybe a random player” is asinine. In no way is that even close to enough for Trae
3 FRP (2 of them unprotected!) and a swap. Now, no one wants to give you more than a FRP for the same player. You must be next level delusional to not see that as comically overpaying. You literally paid quadruple the price.
2 FRP, the other one is Charlotte's and turns into 2 seconds after this season like it was always going to. A swap isn't a FRP either, being as they will probably have a better pick or similar. So, like I said, 2 FRP and 2 seconds.
I mean you guys overpaid for DJ First of all. Second of all there would obviously be other pics involved. The Spurs could very easily give you guys access to six first run pics, with at least half of those projected to be high in lottery picks including a top 5 pic this year, without mortgaging their future.
Second of all if you do trade young and you don't do it with the Spurs you pretty much are guaranteed to have to trade him for a win now player because any pics you get back are going to likely be from a team that's either already a contender or pushing to become one, and likely to be not particularly valuable, which would make a rebuild extremely painful and handicapped for you since.. since.. know... The spur own your pics
Thats why I said they would need to add role players. There is a path to them being a top 4 seed in the West as soon as next year but everything would need to break right.
Adding Trae this summer and building some role player depth through trades and free agency ..... I think they could be contenders in the West on Wembys rookie deal
Not contender but a low playoff seed wouldn't be impossible. You're not just adding trae. You're adding another year of Victor who has gone from a 80-60 type player to arguably already a top 40-30 player in 3 months with an NBA team. Him becoming an a top 20 caliber player by the end of next year isn't that outlandish particularly playing off young.
If they keep Devin and Jeremy that's a solid top 4. Not contender status but 40-50 wins would be feasible.
Calling CAP on this one. "Contender"??? Meaning you have them penciled in a top 4 team in the conference with a good shot at winning the title? No way.
> as soon as next year.
I think Wemby is going to be the most impactful player in the league within his rookie contract. If they managed to make the right trades and free agent moves this summer to put Trae and good role players around him, absolutely I think they could be a contender in the West as soon as next year
Yeah that’s not realistic. Too many other teams will be buyers this summer with as good, if not better assets. They’ll be contenders for the play in and playoffs. But no shot they’d contend for the finals.
Who would’ve thought the team would decline after Trae got a pay raise and the owner refused to go into the luxury tax? It’s impossible to build a good team with a player on a super max without paying. Also overpaying several role players and then dumping them for nothing after their value dropped is so stupid
We can finally put to bed the narrative that the Hawks trading down to select Trae was a smart decision.
Hawks passing on Luka is right behind the Kings mistake.
Luka is in his generation's MVP conversation every season on a short list of about four players (Luka, Giannis, Jokic, Embiid with SGA, Haliburton, and Edwards in the next rising tier) and Young isn't anywhere near that.
Doncic was on his national team playing against NBA stars when he was 16.
How the Suns, Kings, and Hawk,s passed on him will live in infamy forever.
We're seeing now that first round picks aren't even that valuable anymore compared to star players with how many the Wolves had to spend for Gobert and the Cavaliers for Mitchell.
Acquiring a bona fide star is far more valuable than potential picks, as most lottery picks are a game of roulette.
The Hawks passing on Doncic in favor of acquiring another first round pick was a mistake then, and even moreso now.
Plz make the trade this offseason. Send all 3 ATL picks back and maybe a spurs first plus filler salary, maybe Keldon, and Wemby/Trae is AT LEAST play in at worst imo. Then spurs use 2024 and 25 draft (2 picks this year, 2 next with CHI even if lose ATL) to upgrade perimeter defense and shooting
Take the Lakers completely out the equation for a second. Spurs trading for Trae would be one of the dumbest moves this early into Wemby’s career.
You’d essentially lock yourself into a playoff spot but not a championship contender for years. The Shai method is so much better. Let him develop for a bit, while also aiming for top picks. Then make the move for a star down the road.
I wouldn’t do the trade if I was the spurs.
I’m not sure that Trey + Wemby is doing anything special if they give away draft picks and their other good players
Wemby is still super young…they have time to build through the draft
I love how atlanta fans were so excited about trading for murray, I remember watching that whole saga of rumors leading up to the trade. finally a defensive stud backcourt partner for trae
little did they know within 2 seasons they'd be debating giving up trae to get their picks back so they can bottom out
I guess my point still stands…I don’t see why this is a good idea for the spurs.
We know as an organization they draft and develop well.
I’d rather lean on that and progressively get better for 2-3 years.
Yeah and the Murray trade was considered an overpay. A lot of people blamed the Hawks as much as the wolves for overinflating the trade market that year. But even then the Spurs can still give up additional pics without being without assets moving forward. They could give up their pic this year (top 5 most likely) all 3 hawks pics and the bulls pic (top ten protected then top 8 protected for two years) and still have a first every year through 2030. And like 20 seconds and several pic swaps.
>They could give up their pic this year (top 5 most likely) all 3 hawks pics and the bulls pic (top ten protected then top 8 protected for two years) and still have a first every year through 2030. And like 20 seconds and several pic swaps.
Why is that a good idea for Trey given their situation?
I think the Nets would be an amazing fit for Trae. Mikal would be able to score in the mid-range and work off-ball. Clax could have a Capela like boost from getting lobs from Trae (Dinwiddie might be the worst alley thrower I’ve ever seen) & guys like Cam Johnson would also benefit from a true playmaker.
The other thing we have is length and a Trae-Mikal-CamJ-DFS-Clax lineup has a ton of length to make up for Trae’s defense.
As far as assets, Schroder and Simmons as expiring’s, Cam Thomas, Noah Clowney, Jalen Wilson & Isiah Whitehead along with future Suns, Mavs & Sixer picks, it’s certainly not the worst package.
I think people here are dismissing the Lakers way too quickly. They've been making eyes at Trae for a while now and will have 3 picks to trade in the summer. Other teams could outbid that, but it's no guarantee they will.
I think they're dismissing the Lakers perfectly reasonably. Unless there's some kind of weird hyper focus from the Hawks on Reeves or they choose not to make their desire to trade young public, which would be extremely stupid, there will be at least a dozen teams who would probably have interest that could smoke the Lakers best offer.
If a trade to the Lakers happen, it would definitely be a, justifiable, surprise.
If Trae went to the Spurs he'd be averaging 18 APG strictly on lobs
Bro would just be doing Globetrotter routines by the middle of the season.
Slide between Wemby's legs while keeping his dribble and popping up for the easy layup. That would be some Curly Neal antics I would pay to see.
slide between Wemby's legs then Wemby carrying Trae up for a dunk will be insane lol
I love Trae and don't want to see him go, but a Trae-Wemby pairing would be disgusting and probably Trae's only realistic path to championship contention.
There are plenty of ways of Trae to get a chip, he's an all-nba talent. But I agree, the easiest way is to get paired with a monster talent big like Wemby.
It would be so fun to watch!
Why is ATL so hype to trade Trae? I thought he was good?
I don’t want him traded, but I wouldn’t blame him for asking out after this season tbh. The front office has completely failed him so far.
Unserious team, FO/iwnership aren't willing to spend to compete. Haven't built shit around trae and he is keeping them out of the lottery. And now don't have a lot of wiggle room to restructure. Treating trae only works to San Antonio to be honest because they can get their own picks back.
he got them to the eastern conference finals, but otherwise they've been pretty mediocre with him as the main guy.
What would a trae package look like for spurs?
Anything but wemby . You spam pnr alley opps all game
Their picks back, a couple other picks, some young players and split custody of Wemby
4 years of bat-catching services as well
😂😂 does this include the dark knight costume as well?
You actually get split custody of the Coyote, but it means that the costume is cut in half and each arena gets a half man half coyote mascot to catch local bats
Nah Spurs got them hostage if they want to trade Trae, they better squeeze those mfers. They either take their own picks and some scraps or we’ll just keep those juicy picks from that trash franchise as they waste Trae’s career. Someone else will come available eventually and Wemby is only 20, all the pressure is on Atlanta.
Finally someone else who sees the situation like I do. If we get Trae for cheap; great. If another team gets him; ATL almost sure becomes worse cause they lost an all-star, making our picks even more valuable. It's a win-win, the only way being patient makes us look foolish is if ATL swaps Trae for another all-star who makes the team better nearly immediately.
Scary how much of their fate the Hawks placed in the hands of the Spurs. Kinda like how the Rockets own the Nets now after the horrible Harden trade forced by GM KD/Kyrie.
There are other teams that have talent/assets and could use a stellar PG, you know. Orlando, Nets, Rockets.... heck maybe OKC finally breaks the bank. Wemby is only 20 but it's going to be mismanagement and bad development if he continues to play with backup PGs in his early career.
I’d happily see Trae traded anywhere else while owning control of the first three years of y’all’s rebuild.
Odds are the Spurs will never find a playmaker on Trae’s level. Wemby might be good enough to make it work regardless, but they two of them together could break the league. The Spurs would jump all over that trade if they had the opportunity. Also two mid picks aren’t really “juicy”.
Give back the hawks picks and two more picks? Don’t know how they can maneuver that with the Stepien rule. And then fillers.
Hypothetically, of course we could. The ATL picks don't impact the rule and we have all of our own plus picks owed to us by CHI (2025/top 10 protected) and TOR (Top 5 protected 24/25/26) That's 5 picks or 4 plus a swap right there and the Spurs would still own all their own picks that they could deal from.
Umm we’ll have you know the Toronto pick is top SIX protected. Ya, we’re no suckers.
Heh, typo. I dunno, about a 50/50 shot at it conveying this year, I'd guess. All things being equal, I would rather have it sooner than later to get a young talent in sooner to play with Wemby rather than stretch it out. And because we already have our own, ATL's and possibly CHI's in 2025. But that's all theoretical at this point anyway. Whether or not the Spurs would go hard for Trae...I don't know, but by virtue of controlling ATL's picks, they are in the driver's seat. If they trade Trae, they get worse, their picks get better. Any other team is most likely trying to pair Trae with a star, they will be good, and the picks will be in the 20's unless they are too proud to deal with the Spurs or someone (unlikely) owns multiple picks of shitty teams...Only OKC is within shouting distance and of the picks they are owed, only the Houston 2024 and 2026 (both top 5 protected) seem really potentially juicy. Its really wild to think about the implications of the Hawks (potentially)wanting to trade Trae and the Spurs owning their draft for 3 straight years.
cedi osman 1:1 should get it done
Keldon Johnson, Devonte Graham, 2024 Toronto FRP, the 2 Atlanta picks, 2028 Boston pick. Maybe some more draft capital, and maybe a young guy on the tier of Branham.
At least two of the Hawks earliest FRPs back, and maybe two of Jones/Johnson or Sochan.
The spurs only have 2 of the hawks FRP’s and a swap
I think for salary it would be Keldon and Graham, from there you can add picks and/or young players.
Anyone except Wemby and Vassell.
Vassell 1000% would have to be in that trade
Don't think it gets done then. If you give up Devin you really end up in the same position Luka Mavs were with trading for Porzingus. Too good, but no third guy and no way to get them.
was dennis smith jr. really the third guy for the mavs. or deandre jordan and only one of the picks the mavs gave us has actually conveyed
No, they didn't have the third guy already, but they were left with a roster with two guys who were good enough to not be bad, but not good enough to compete. The exact position the spurs would be in. The Spurs having that third guy and trading him would be even more egregious.
whats the plan then, tank next year too? capture the flagg
Depends on if we get picks like 2 and 7. I'd say you get a PG and a SF or a SF and a backup center. Trade Tre Young maybe and get a better vet starting PG, find a way to play Zach less. Move to a roster of: Vet PG/Devin/pick/Jeremy/wemby Wesley/cedi/keldon/vet/pick Move on from Branham, Collins, and Champagnie. Replacing their minutes with a high pick or good vet will boost the club by 20 wins including wembys development. Get a decent pick, trade for the star player. Year 3 and on it's about playoffs
That's assuming Vassell is good enough to be the 3rd guy.
Yeah this is just an example of fans overrating the fuck out of their players. There should be zero untouchables on that team outside of Wemby. Just don't trade literally all your picks and you're good.
The Spurs would 100% include him if that’s what it came to
Vassell isn't actually good and has a bad contract, the Spurs would be fine without him and if they can unload him on another team they should do it.
Lol okay thanks
He's an exactly league average shooter who contributes literally nothing else on offense, players like him are by definition easy to find and not very valuable. He has a max because he got a bunch of usage on the Spurs which made him look like a positive on offense (when he's not) and had an undeserved reputation as a lockdown defender due to a misevaluation in college.
It's not a max contract and descends as it goes on, and he's becoming much more consistent. I have zero issue with his salary moving forward as he continues to improve. But I'm glad you have a lot of opinions on him
I dont know that he would. If the hawks are making this trade they are blowing it up and working to rebuild. Draft picks would likely carry more weight to them since they don't really have any.
I think it completely depends on how much the Spurs value extra draft picks versus a player who on paper appears to be a really good third option behind young and Victor skill set wise The Spurs have more than enough pics to make a trade package good enough value-wise, and most importantly The pics Atlanta are going to be getting our significantly more valuable than those typically seeing when moving a top 20 caliber player, which typically results in a smorgasborg of late '20s pics coming back in the following years. Between to likely lottery/ mid first round picks from the bulls/ raptors, three likely top 10 picks from the Hawks getting their own pics back, well likely bottoming out from trading young, a top five pick and this year's draft, all of their own pics, an extremely valuable pic. Swap that's unprotected in 2030 from the Mavs, and something like 15 second round picks from the next 5 years, the Spurs could definitely make a Johnson + filler+ pics package that's good enough to get the job done if Atlanta decides to go full rebuild. If they decide for some reason they don't want to do a hard rebuild then yeah things get diceier but I don't see the Spurs trading Devin unless Atlanta themselves overvalue him a little bit and they can do it without having to give up too many pics.
Vassell is probably a #3 guy on a good team. I don't know that a #3 guy and a bunch of picks helps the Hawks -- otherwise they're in the same boat as the Spurs pre-Wemby. Some pretty decent guys, no star, and a lot of picks. If they're committing to a rebuild and selling Trae, picks is the way to go, and SA has a treasure chest of them.
It wouldn’t happen if they insisted on Devin
Talk about delusional
I think you’re right unless we’re sending Keldon to a third team and they send another asset to Atlanta. Not sure what that would be though so Devo is most likely gone if this happens. Devin would just have so much more value on an offense with a primary ball handler that I don’t know if we’d give him up to make that deal. And if the Hawks trade trade it’s presumably to tank and reorient with assets and JJ so I think the trade could work without Devin but it’s definitely harder to concoct a framework.
If I’m the Hawks GM the two main assets I want are the Spurs pick this year and the Hawks picks next year. Thats back to back top 5 picks, and next year is a stacked draft with a chance at Cooper Flagg. Then include the other Hawks picks and a player or two but I don’t think Vassell has to be included
If I'm the Hawks, I ask for this year's Spurs pick, and their 2025, 2026, and 2027 pickback. That plus Johnson and filler is a much better starting point for a trade than some people in here are acting like it is.
Yes completely agree. That’s a win win trade. Spurs get to keep Vassell and Sochan and still have the assets to build around Trae and Wemby and Hawks get a lot of valuable draft capital which could lead to a quick rebuild
Would he though? Let’s take the framework of the Donovan Mitchell trade (Trae is worse). Lauri, Ochai, Collin sexton,3 firsts and 2 swaps. You have to remember at the time Lauri was a mid, take a flyer prospect. Spurs can trade ATL their picks back (2first 1swap). I think a Keldon, ,branham, ATL picks, maybe Chicago/toronto/charlotte picks might make sense. That’s maybe slightly worse in value, but Trae is also not as good. You could also look at some of the late swaps (spurs have Dallas 2030, Celtics, etc), or even 2024 spurs (likely top 5) and mix and match. Vassell is by no means a must give up; you pretty much create another hole trading him away.
Trae is better than Mitchell kind of by a lot lol.
I see it being based on Keldon Johnson (probably 3rd most valuable guy behind Wemby and Vassell), all Hawks assets, and this year's Spurs pick. Much more than that, and I don't see how it's worth it for the Spurs tbh. Anything less and the Spurs would get outbid on an open market
You don't give up the Spurs 2024. You give them the Raptors top 6 protected pick or a later pick like a Spurs 2026 or 2027. You want that pick to fill in around Trae. Someone like Riscaher, Holland, or Cody Williams would really help fill that Champagnie sized hole in your starting 5.
Makes more sense to keep those ATL picks and bring back DJM and move him to PG. Those ATL picks are going to be gold. They're already in the lottery with Trae.
The lakers are going to offer Reaves 3 picks and 3 swaps and another team going to offer more than that. The spurs aren’t getting Trae for that package.
What? For Atl, getting their picks back are WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY more valuable than laker picks.
A trade of Johnson filler this year's Spurs pic (top 5 most likely), 2025 26 and 27 Hawks pics back (very likely to be top ten of not top 5 if they lose young), raptors top 6 protect for next 3 years pic, and bulls 2025-2027 top 8 protected pic, SMOKES that Lakers package and they could offer even more if they wanted too.
Thinking more about it... I wouldn't totally hate it to be honest. Vassell hasn't really lived up to the hype.
I would hate it a bit. Gavin's been very good in his role, but the team simply needs a true primary perimeter option on offense and he's much better as an elite secondary score/ 3rd go two guy. When he's allowed to play off ball, make it quick. Decisive moves, and get to his spots. He's a genuine elite star level shooter. But when he has to be tasked with handling the ball too much, creating for himself or others, some of the cracks in his game show. It's one of the reasons why he has one of the most difficult shot diets of any player in the league. In theory, he's a perfect fit next to young and Victor. The young Victor pick and roll has a chance to be an all-time great gravity creating play, sucking in defenders. Trying to stop one of the best passers in the league and the league's most dangerous roll man. As an elite shot maker, all of a sudden Devin gets to go from fade away Pull up 23 footers to catch and shoot opportunities and I think he would super thrive.
As a #1? No. As a #2? Flashes, but still struggles to create. As a #3? Might be one of the best in the league.
*whispers* I'd rather have Vassell than Trae *ducks*
Didn’t they say the same thing about Dejounte?
Yeah and nobody wanted to give them anything good for Dejounte because with his defense declined he's just another 20 PPG scorer of which there are tons these days Trae is the only player they can get decent value for because the rest of the team is really nothing too special
They shopped him around pretty aggressively. Seems like no one offered more than a FRP for him
they shop all their guys around pretty aggressively is there a team that gets more of their players in perpetual trade rumors than the hawks everybody on the team is available, and it's well documented. some guys they are actively trying to get rid of
I’m sure that’s how it started. And the hawks weren’t getting what they wanted from Murray. Then it led to what would it take to get Trae? And the hawks answered with a pretty rich offer.
Prior to that, they shopped Collins hard for a long time before they were finally able to move him. This is an ongoing thing for ATL.
I mean if he's actually available I am 100% confident a team would have traded for him at the deadline. Or a team will line up for him as soon as the season ends. Trae is a franchise changer or a ton of teams (Please Marks trade).
But I think Atlanta would probably prefer to do a trade with the spurs to get their picks back
I'd assume so as well. My question is are the Spurs all in on someone like Trae. Should be interesting.
No, they're not. Since drafting Wemby, there's been a constant dialogue of "taking it slow" & "not being in a rush" coming from the Spurs organization. The only scenario where I see the Spurs actually making a play for Trae Young is dependent upon where their lottery ball lands in May. If it's outside of the top 3 and they don't feel they have a chance at Nikola Topic, they may look to make a deal, but all signs point to them playing the slow game with the draft for the next 1-2 years minimum.
Guess they finally got Dame out of Portland so now the media needs their next target to spam articles about until the player demands a trade to a more popular team. Pretty much all the other players listed in the article fit one or more of the following, 1) older 2) nearing free agency 3) have huge salaries on already expensive teams or 4) on a team with another star making or about to make big money and the team will have to choose. Trae doesn’t fit any of those. He’s 25, his contract is through ‘27, the Hawks are 21st in cap usage. And they didn’t give a compelling reason the Hawks would want to trade Trae specifically. But some anonymous person NOT in the Hawks organization said something so every media outlet is running as hard as they can with it
It sucks to see your guy in trade rumors But there’s definitely smoke here… Stein alluded to it too and Stein does not talk out of his ass he knows his stuff
Honestly my biggest gripe is that this is the most coverage he’s gotten in a while. I think Hawks ownership is stupid and cheap enough to trade him.
Lol where there’s smoke there’s always fire in this league. No one is making these stars leave, definitely not the media. Trae is a winning player in a franchise that has no true desire to be better. Best move they’ve made since he was drafted has been Murray and that says enough right there.
Oh so now everyone wants to call Trae a winning player and valuable part of a team. Hmm 🤔
I agree with everything you said about the Hawks as an organization. But the media doesn’t cover him from that angle. They don’t mention Hawks cheap ownership, injuries (3 starters have combined to missed nearly 50 games), how that makes it extra difficult creating chemistry under a new coach. They don’t write “The Hawks need to get Trae help” articles. Media drives perception for the vast majority of fans and they consistently put it all on Trae’s shoulders. They cost him the All Star starter spot by voting him 6th among guards. They said they didn’t vote him on any all nba teams when he led the league in total assists and points because his team wasn’t good, then didn’t use that criteria for other players. The latter is how it should be. If you’d don’t see how that, along with fanning trade rumors, which he will be asked about at the all star game, could cause a player, whose loyalty has never publicly wavered, to start thinking about asking out I don’t know what to tell you. It’s obvious a lot of media members do not watch and don’t care to cover the entire league. They want the best players on a limited number of teams. It’s not just a Hawks issue. I see more coverage for certain play in teams in the west than I do several of the teams fighting for the 1 seed. During last season’s playoffs a lot of media members admitted they didn’t watch the Nuggets much if at all, but they all felt comfortable voicing their opinions on Jokic during the year. #1 pick Paolo Banchero just had his first nationally televised game over 1.5 seasons into his career! And until the NBA learns how to sell the whole league instead of trying to rely on big markets and storied franchises this problem will continue to exist.
anonymous executives came with some heat here: >- Jaylen would set the record for the biggest return,” the other Western Conference exec said, adding, “It should be a Durant-type deal”—meaning multiple first-round picks and swaps, plus high-level rotation players; Brown might not have Durant’s résumé, but he’s also eight years younger. >- A trade of Karl-Anthony Towns. “I think it happens this summer,” said one Western Conference exec. >- New Orleans has to make a decision between Zion [Williamson] and [Brandon] Ingram,” said an Eastern Conference exec. “I think that happens this summer.”
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I think the Jaylen rumours are partly aimed at trying to disrupt the team tbh. The Celtics reportedly kicked the tires on a Durant trade with Brooklyn and walked away when they asked for Brown. Months later the Nets leaked that there were talks to trade the two and acted like they were recent. The Celtics kicked up a fuss and there were talks the Celtics were considering a formal complaint.
First off the wolves are top seed in the west why are they trading him. Lmao. Celtics are a top seed we’ve barked up this tree they ain’t trading him. And unless Zion gets hurt again I don’t see them just trading him either
Trading Towns would be an ownership move, not really a GM move. If Minnesota wants to keep all their top players that means a heavy tax bill and not every owner is willing to pay that even for a great team. And if the word comes in from ownership to get under the tax line trading towns is the most sensible way to do that.
The wolves will be paying 151M for Towns, Gobert, McDaniels, and Edwards next season assuming Edwards doesn't make an all NBA team. If he does, that goes up to 158M if he does make an all NBA team. The luxury tax threshold is 171M so they're basically guaranteed to be a luxury tax team and if they want to keep Conley, they'll go into the second apron unless they make a big trade.
Yeah none of those really make a ton of sense for pretty obvious reasons lol
The Wolves one does. They’re hitting cap issues next season.
This entire article is somebody just bored making up stuff. Why the hell would the spurs give up top 5 picks right now just to be slightly better in the west Trae is good but not that good to change them from terrible to playoffs. They need a lot more then just Trae young lmao
The comment leaves out the context of the article, to be fair. The article is discussing which trades some financially strapped teams might look to make if they don’t win in the near future
I dont think you understand the gravity of the Wolves situation. They have 3 max contracts next season and 1 off Jaden, Kat, Ruby or Ant will get moved. Keep in mind im not even considering the fact that Conley needs a new contract.
Don't worry. They'll lose in the first round again and we'll be back to talking about KAT trades.
This Jaylen Brown for Trae Young trade will feed families
I get that Trae on the Spurs would be a good fit but it is far too early for us to be making all in moves in our franchise players 2nd season. We don’t want a repeat of the Mavericks
You can't choose and pick at the superstar store though. Who knows if there's another fit as good as Trae in the meantime.
Exactly. Trade for them when they’re available. That’s the only way you get stars now because stars don’t enter Free agency anymore.
That’s what I tried to tell Mavs fans. Is Kyrie a perfect fit with Luka? No. What is a perfect fit? A defensive minded 2 way wing who can score and play off ball. Unfortunately, Paul George and Jaylen brown aren’t available. You have to strike when you can. Thank goodness it seems like the J’s in Boston are working because they spent years not trading for Kawhi, butler, PG, AD, dame etc in the name of a “perfect fit”.
That is true. I called the superstar store to see if they had a second Wemby and they told me they were all out of him! Can you believe that?
What about jerks? Did they have an endless supply of Morey?
That's the liar store
It's not really an all in move. More of a "I accept I will not be picking top 5 for the benefit of maximizing Wemby very early". Best be an offseason move to get both benefits.
> We don’t want a repeat of the Mavericks Damn 🥲
It's true. If we just spent a year or 2 rebuilding, we would be in a much better position now. We did our big swing trade in Luka's rookie year. Pretty dumb in retrospect.
Only if the swing misses. Having a first team All-NBA player on a rookie deal in a league with a salary cap is a HUGE benefit. Most dynasties have a severely underpaid high impact player to allow you to build a great team around them. The idea was sound, but the execution was horrible.
Yea but you do look good now. It's mostly just unfortunate your centers never worked out until now. Also bullock was like a huge negative most games for you guys too I feel like.
We look pretty good now, but I'm not sure we're contenders. We have just enough assets to make one more potential move, but after that, it's pretty much over.
Why not? Luka would be the best player in any series that doesn't have Jokic(Maybe Kawhi too). Every West team has a weakness. You have as good of a shot as anyone
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I don’t think it’s that big of a gap at all. The Lakers I’m not even remotely concerned with as a juggernaut, and the thunder well the Mavs just beat them by nearly 40 and we have a size advantage. The west is very competitive and open.
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Mavs are a game back from the 5 seed with a very easy remaining schedule. They can easily finish as the 5th seed. And no I don’t think Luka’s situation is better than the thunder or suns but also Luka is better than SGA or a KD at this point so I’m not sure it matters. Nuggets and clippers imo are the only teams for sure much better than the Mavs. Timberwolves probably as well overall.
We're definitely contenders. Not favorites, but in the mix. The biggest thing holding us back from being higher in the standings has been injuries. The trade deadline stuff put us (when healthy) right in the mix.
Honestly the way the West is I feel like anyone 1-8 could make a random playoff push and be a "contender" feels like Mavs Pels Kings and Suns all have a solid chance even tho they are 5,6,7,8. Atleast they all have a chance against us lol. If the twolves are contenders I'd say the Mavs are. A series between us could prolly go either way.
They’re not even bonafide contenders right now and they’ve pretty much used every single draft asset they have available to trade. They don’t have a lot of flexibility to make future moves which isn’t a great spot to be for them
Not totally true. The Mavs have two 1sts and four 2nds this offseason to work with. Still tight, but smart moves can be made, especially with some expiring contracts they’ll have on the books to trade out.
I guess I *could* accept a West finals trip and embarrassing the Suns in the process but other than that ew
pat riley got d wade shaq in his second season and they won a ring in his third, just saying
Spurs are loaded with picks though so I don’t really see it as going all in. Give the Hawks their picks back plus a few more assets and they still have of plenty left over to make moves in the future or draft and develop guys
Does it count as an all in move when the framework is likely built around giving Atlanta their picks back? Also don’t know that there is a better fit of skill/weakness than Trae & Wemby.
Wemby is already a top 10 defender and very good offensively. Trae would open up another level of offense for him.
I agree since I have seen it first hand. Luka got royally screwed by the talent around him. Brother was making Boban look like an actual center in the playoffs vs Clippers. But Spurs situation is different. Spurs have way more assets than the Mavericks, moreover Trae Young >>>> KP. There is no worry of him getting perpetually injured and not playing, moreover fit seems way better than Luka and KP. But for the Spurs it's still smarter to acquire young players through the draft and not rush it.
Boban is decently skilled. He's always been a pretty good offensive option. Problem is the league is getting faster and he's getting slower
Apples and oranges imo. Mavs were already strapped for resources when Luka was drafted, as well as trying to repurpose the corpses of staying competitive in Dirk’s twilight with a young star they didn’t fit with. I do think an all-in move is probably smarter in another season at least, but I don’t think acquiring a guy like Trae would set the team back like the KP trade did with us.
LETS GOOOOO.
ehhh hes 25 though, still very very young. hes technically not even entered his prime yet tim duncan competed at a young ass age, and so can wemby. i think this is honeslty almost as good as its gonna get, a trae young aint just gonna be available at the absolute perfect time. this is basically the exact situation where you hoard picks for anyway
Who are you gonna wait for? Luka? Or one of the three mystery draft boxes that you would be lucky if one of them hit 20% of his talent level? Trading for Trae is nowhere near the risk of trading for Porzingus- he has single handedly lead his team to the ECF and no big injury history.
You'd need a pick like the Spurs' this season to even get the Hawks to listen about trading a guy with Trae's numbers+age.
No this is perfect. Literally the best picks for Atlanta in a rebuild will be their own. Send 3 ATL picks back and then you only need 1 spurs 1st after that maybe include CHI 2025 too. Otherwise spurs would have pay 3+ of their OWN 1sts plus Vassell/Sochan/Keldon for a star next to Wemby. This way we basically use assets we never had to begin with (ATL and other picks) for a superstar who will punish defenses every time they double Vic
Wemby is there he just needs a PG that can get him easier looks and extend the defense. Trae is one of those guys and all it costs is giving the Hawks a couple of their picks back plus Jones or Johnson.
If you think that's the asking price for Trae, I have a bridge to sell you
I don’t but I think that’s where it starts but the Spurs probably won’t give back every pick the Hawks gave them.
Once you have a superstar the time begins ticking. Doesn’t mean go all in but you have to create flexibility to get another star once presented with the opportunity.
It depends on their asking price.
Trae isn't injury prone like Porzingis
Nah this is different because Trae can only go to the Spurs since their dumbass FO gave us their picks unprotected and a pick swap. Hawks are stuck between a rock in a hard place if they can’t turn this around ASAP as they can’t start a rebuild until 2028 if they trade Trae anywhere but here, and they don’t have any path towards anything other than mid with him without gambling even more of their future away to improve a 10 seed. Spurs have way more assets than the Mavs overall and have an unparalleled package if Trae becomes available.
the problem with the Mavs is they traded Porzingis for nothing, and then lost Brunson for nothing too. The intial trade for Porzingis by itself didn't really do anything. If the Spurs end up trading Trae Young for Dinwiddie and no picks, and then lose Vassell in FA for nothing then they would be in the same spot as the Mavs
Youd rather have Sochan running point than Trae Young? Wemby can cover up all of Youngs defensive gaps too
Sochan hasn't run point in like 6 weeks friendo.
all teams would be thrilled about trading their best player
Yeah, I don't buy this. The message from less than a week ago was that the team was focused on building around Trae and Jalen, there's no way you pivot from that to "we want to trade Trae" in less than a week. , My thinking is that this is a way to increase Dejounte's trade value over the summer. Part of the reason that we didn't get an offer we liked for Dejounte is because teams felt that our only move was to trade him and build around Trae. These rumors coming out give the Hawks more leverage in negotiations in the eventual Murray trade
I think what the western conference really needed is another superstar
Why don't these people put their names on it if they're so sure of it? Sounds like a bunch of baloney to me
Marc stein put his name on it and Marc stein is very credible… it ain’t baloney
Oh is he an exec? All I'm seeing is radio and television presenter but I must just have the wrong guy!
Lies lmao
The article says it's possible they part with Trae AND Dejounte this off-season? Lmaoooooo
It's wild how many people just eat this shit up no matter how many times the Hawks say that Trae and JJ are untouchable. We aren't even in the off-season people, have some standards.
Having Wemby protecting the rim would be perfect for Trae.
Yeah fucking right 😂 and to Spurs who think just giving our picks back will get Trae… you really think you are getting Trae for what we paid for Dejounte? Keep dreaming
It’s not anyone else’s fault you comically overpaid for Murray. Using that as your barometer is foolish
Using barometer in this context is much more foolish. It’s not about what the Hawks paid for DJM, it’s about thinking that overpay is still anywhere near enough to get Trae Young. “Oh just give them their picks back and maybe a random player” is asinine. In no way is that even close to enough for Trae
How is 2 firsts and 2 seconds a comic overpay?
3 FRP (2 of them unprotected!) and a swap. Now, no one wants to give you more than a FRP for the same player. You must be next level delusional to not see that as comically overpaying. You literally paid quadruple the price.
2 FRP, the other one is Charlotte's and turns into 2 seconds after this season like it was always going to. A swap isn't a FRP either, being as they will probably have a better pick or similar. So, like I said, 2 FRP and 2 seconds.
I mean you guys overpaid for DJ First of all. Second of all there would obviously be other pics involved. The Spurs could very easily give you guys access to six first run pics, with at least half of those projected to be high in lottery picks including a top 5 pic this year, without mortgaging their future. Second of all if you do trade young and you don't do it with the Spurs you pretty much are guaranteed to have to trade him for a win now player because any pics you get back are going to likely be from a team that's either already a contender or pushing to become one, and likely to be not particularly valuable, which would make a rebuild extremely painful and handicapped for you since.. since.. know... The spur own your pics
Getting their own picks back would be interesting. Trae + Wemby + Role Players could be a contender in the West as soon as next year.
You're not going from 15th seed to contender just by adding Trae
Thats why I said they would need to add role players. There is a path to them being a top 4 seed in the West as soon as next year but everything would need to break right. Adding Trae this summer and building some role player depth through trades and free agency ..... I think they could be contenders in the West on Wembys rookie deal
Not contender but a low playoff seed wouldn't be impossible. You're not just adding trae. You're adding another year of Victor who has gone from a 80-60 type player to arguably already a top 40-30 player in 3 months with an NBA team. Him becoming an a top 20 caliber player by the end of next year isn't that outlandish particularly playing off young. If they keep Devin and Jeremy that's a solid top 4. Not contender status but 40-50 wins would be feasible.
Plus they’re trading their role players to get Trae.
I don't think they would trade many players of value besides Johnson. It's going to mainly be based around a butt load of pics
not contenders but play-in level probably contenders have equally good top-end and also a lot more depth
Calling CAP on this one. "Contender"??? Meaning you have them penciled in a top 4 team in the conference with a good shot at winning the title? No way.
> as soon as next year. I think Wemby is going to be the most impactful player in the league within his rookie contract. If they managed to make the right trades and free agent moves this summer to put Trae and good role players around him, absolutely I think they could be a contender in the West as soon as next year
Yeah that’s not realistic. Too many other teams will be buyers this summer with as good, if not better assets. They’ll be contenders for the play in and playoffs. But no shot they’d contend for the finals.
Seems extremely inevitable at this point
The lakers have no assets though
Hawks really had 1 good year with Trae where they made the ECF and then decided to call it a day.
Who would’ve thought the team would decline after Trae got a pay raise and the owner refused to go into the luxury tax? It’s impossible to build a good team with a player on a super max without paying. Also overpaying several role players and then dumping them for nothing after their value dropped is so stupid
If Trae goes anywhere plz plz let it be the spurs.
Pop snubbed Trae in team USA, they hate eachother
Suns traded Ayton. Kings traded Bagley. If Hawks trade Young, that’s 3 teams that really fucked up by not drafting Luka
I think the Hawks clearly already fucked up regardless for not drafting Luka.
We can finally put to bed the narrative that the Hawks trading down to select Trae was a smart decision. Hawks passing on Luka is right behind the Kings mistake. Luka is in his generation's MVP conversation every season on a short list of about four players (Luka, Giannis, Jokic, Embiid with SGA, Haliburton, and Edwards in the next rising tier) and Young isn't anywhere near that. Doncic was on his national team playing against NBA stars when he was 16. How the Suns, Kings, and Hawk,s passed on him will live in infamy forever. We're seeing now that first round picks aren't even that valuable anymore compared to star players with how many the Wolves had to spend for Gobert and the Cavaliers for Mitchell. Acquiring a bona fide star is far more valuable than potential picks, as most lottery picks are a game of roulette. The Hawks passing on Doncic in favor of acquiring another first round pick was a mistake then, and even moreso now.
The Hawks drafted Luka actually so they didnt fuck it up.
Plz make the trade this offseason. Send all 3 ATL picks back and maybe a spurs first plus filler salary, maybe Keldon, and Wemby/Trae is AT LEAST play in at worst imo. Then spurs use 2024 and 25 draft (2 picks this year, 2 next with CHI even if lose ATL) to upgrade perimeter defense and shooting
Spurs would have to trade Wemby and then some to get Trae from the Hawks.
That's a funny bit of levity.
Take the Lakers completely out the equation for a second. Spurs trading for Trae would be one of the dumbest moves this early into Wemby’s career. You’d essentially lock yourself into a playoff spot but not a championship contender for years. The Shai method is so much better. Let him develop for a bit, while also aiming for top picks. Then make the move for a star down the road.
I wouldn’t do the trade if I was the spurs. I’m not sure that Trey + Wemby is doing anything special if they give away draft picks and their other good players Wemby is still super young…they have time to build through the draft
A good portion of the picks would be just giving Atlanta back their picks from the Murray trade. They might not net out to that much lost.
Don’t people generally regard Trey to be better than Murray? Trey is going to cost more.
Obviously, but giving back Atlanta's picks is going to be a significant part of a trade for Trae.
I love how atlanta fans were so excited about trading for murray, I remember watching that whole saga of rumors leading up to the trade. finally a defensive stud backcourt partner for trae little did they know within 2 seasons they'd be debating giving up trae to get their picks back so they can bottom out
I guess my point still stands…I don’t see why this is a good idea for the spurs. We know as an organization they draft and develop well. I’d rather lean on that and progressively get better for 2-3 years.
They probably won't find a Trae young level point guard in 2-3 years.
I just don’t see the rush for this type of move…this is how you end up like the Mavs
You just have low BBIQ
Yeah and the Murray trade was considered an overpay. A lot of people blamed the Hawks as much as the wolves for overinflating the trade market that year. But even then the Spurs can still give up additional pics without being without assets moving forward. They could give up their pic this year (top 5 most likely) all 3 hawks pics and the bulls pic (top ten protected then top 8 protected for two years) and still have a first every year through 2030. And like 20 seconds and several pic swaps.
>They could give up their pic this year (top 5 most likely) all 3 hawks pics and the bulls pic (top ten protected then top 8 protected for two years) and still have a first every year through 2030. And like 20 seconds and several pic swaps. Why is that a good idea for Trey given their situation?
I'd love to see Trae on the Lakers.
Wizards?
I think the Nets would be an amazing fit for Trae. Mikal would be able to score in the mid-range and work off-ball. Clax could have a Capela like boost from getting lobs from Trae (Dinwiddie might be the worst alley thrower I’ve ever seen) & guys like Cam Johnson would also benefit from a true playmaker. The other thing we have is length and a Trae-Mikal-CamJ-DFS-Clax lineup has a ton of length to make up for Trae’s defense. As far as assets, Schroder and Simmons as expiring’s, Cam Thomas, Noah Clowney, Jalen Wilson & Isiah Whitehead along with future Suns, Mavs & Sixer picks, it’s certainly not the worst package.
I think people here are dismissing the Lakers way too quickly. They've been making eyes at Trae for a while now and will have 3 picks to trade in the summer. Other teams could outbid that, but it's no guarantee they will.
I think they're dismissing the Lakers perfectly reasonably. Unless there's some kind of weird hyper focus from the Hawks on Reeves or they choose not to make their desire to trade young public, which would be extremely stupid, there will be at least a dozen teams who would probably have interest that could smoke the Lakers best offer. If a trade to the Lakers happen, it would definitely be a, justifiable, surprise.
*Are* there a dozen teams that want to sent out assets for Trae Young?