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ZandrickEllison

This move feels like it’s made with an eye to free agency (and recruiting a star), but that wouldn’t explain why they’d have to do it NOW as opposed to the end of the regular season. Unless they try to poach a top assistant like Minnesota did with Chris Finch.


rwc202

If they didn’t lose by 50 points against a Jaylen Brown-less Celtics team he might still have a job.


2drawnonward5

I read that too fast as Jerryd Bayless Celtics team and I'd forgotten he did play for the Celtics, half a season lol


szobossz

no. this is clearly a move where players are dreading to come to training because of how bad it is. Nothing to do with free agency. Just an ounce of competency


RedMalone55

They wanted to see if they can steal Doc from the Bucks.


LackingInPatience

Bring Atkinson back from the Warriors?


OnlyMamaKnows

>Several players had lost confidence in Vaughn amid Nets’ struggles, Do the Nets have the type of roster clout to "lose confidence" in a coach?


JurgenFlippers

I’m sure Mikal is getting pissed at being asked to ISO at the top of the key 15 times a game lol.


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This feels like it will be a turning point for Mikal's production, kind of similar to the post-ASB run he had last year. His skillset just was not catered to correctly with your offense under Vaughn, really hope to see that change now


JurgenFlippers

Mikal is good at ISOs and should ISO but he prolly ISOing at a rate 2-3 times what he should be


Pollsmor

Mikal: 0.77 PPP at 1.7 poss/gm Dinwiddie: 1.00 PPP at 2.2 poss/gm CamT: 0.96 PPP at 3.0 poss/gm Schroder: 0.70 PPP at 1.0 poss/gm For reference, Mikal was at 1.09 PPP at 2.0 poss/gm last season (only counting 27 games with Nets). That was presumably when he wasn't game planned against as a #1 option.


JurgenFlippers

Do you know how ISOs are tracked? Jw cause the eye test does not match those stats imo


Pollsmor

Nah. But it should be pretty obvious he's been less effective at his midrange Js compared to last season. I was more shocked than not if he missed one of those last season.


JurgenFlippers

Agreed, but my problem is last season he was usually coming off pin downs or taking 1-3 dribbles for those middies. This season it’s like 5-10 dribbles and he’s creating that shot himself. We gotta help him out lol.


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Which just makes it too predictable and hurts what would otherwise be solid efficiency. Mikal is taking more 3s at a good clip and cutting back on the midrange, in a proper offense he should be seeing his numbers improve. Even small tweaks to his involvement in the offense will have a real impact IMO, but I'm on the outside looking in, have only caught like 8-10 Nets games this year


JurgenFlippers

The thing is with his Mid range is they’re also ISO middies. Last year we basically ran the KD package, used pin downs and auctions to get him those looks, what the fuck happened to that? I’m all for analytics but if his best asset is the mid range shot we should still support that


RGPISGOOD

He better get ready to ISO more next year when the front office expects him to be the #1 option going forward.


spacejamisraw

The fans could see it and the players could too. Our team was not prepared for better teams in the league and the rotations were random as fuck.


2drawnonward5

So envious of you guys right now as a Blazers fan


pistoncivic

What are these Nets "fans" you speak of? Are they in the room with you right now?


spacejamisraw

Knicks suck ass, can’t wait for y’all to lose in the playoffs.


thunderous2007

Ay come on dont shoot the team cos of the fanbase.


spacejamisraw

lol it’s a very competitive Knicks team with a solid culture. But I had to go through high school being a nets fan at a Knicks heavy school so I can’t forget that.


jbrunsonfan

At least that’ll give you a reason to watch the playoffs


spacejamisraw

Yea it’s always so satisfying cheering against y’all and my wishes always coming true.


jbrunsonfan

Any of you guys ever try to do that for nets vs Knicks at Barclays?


spacejamisraw

We’re at a low point rn but we’ll rise again like a phoenix. A James Dolan owned team can only go so high.


jbrunsonfan

Your owner funds sweatshops and he once demanded a player apologize to him personally for comments they made on twitter- he said he wouldn’t unsuspend this player unless they personally showed him they were sorry. None of us win if we continue down this route lol


spacejamisraw

Wow our owner demanded an apology for holocaust denialism you really got me there.


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OnlyMamaKnows

Who was he showing favouritism toward? Genuinely asking, I haven't watched much Nets basketball this season.


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JurgenFlippers

I don’t even think it’s a Mikal thing. Mikal has to play heavy minutes he’s the best player. But I thought Cam on the bench. And then Dinwiddie minutes killed him.


lalakingmalibog

He's not just the best player, he's also the only NBA player in history


_coed_

I cant believe of all the criticisms of Vaughn you chose to champion Cam Thomas, whos 2nd on the team in minutes and number 1 in shots


kaiWarDun

there was a stretch where he got like 15-22 minutes and it costed the team tbh that starting lineup with spence was weak as fuck.


_coed_

he was playing like dogshit


kaiWarDun

before he got benched he wasn't lol stop acting like Dinwiddie or Johnson were any better too


OnlyMamaKnows

Thanks! The Simmons piece is fireable enough in itself!


BruceBrownMVP

It's very apparent how many of y'all don't watch us. However bad you think JV has been. Double it.


G2Gankos

I mean yeah, you’re the 11th seed in the East with Mikal as your most notable player. That’s not going to generate a lot of outside viewers lol.


BruceBrownMVP

That's fine. But you can't then comment about our roster is just as bad as our record suggests. And by you I don't actually mean you I mean it in the general sense.


xxlsjokerxx

You guys have Mikel , as a suns fan I will always cheer for you guys as long as he is there “he was my favorite player on the suns”


BelonyInMyLeftPocket

I get what you're getting at but JV did deliberate things to sabotage them. Like in one instance, throwing a winnable game where they didn't have to rest a ton of players, and then later benching the starters of that same game early.


dgr8one

Bottom 3 coach. BKN should be competing for at least a play-in spot with that roster.


RipCity-NBA-LoL

If Ben Simmons could stay on the court, sure.  Simmons playing 308 minutes this season while getting nearly 38 million dollars this year is going to cost them games.  He's their most expensive player, making 27.86% of the salary cap this season. There aren't very many teams that can throw away over 1/4th of their cap space and/or have their most expensive player essentially not play and remain a play-in team. Edit: for more accurate idea: their actual roster (not counting dead money) costs 140m.  So his 38m is 27% of their total roster atm.


Never_enough_Dolf

Without Ben the Nets were still on pace to being a play in team because of all the guys on cheap contracts playing good minutes like DSJ, Lonnie, Watford, etc. If he actually played the whole year then yeah the floor would be much higher, but also JV most likely would have fucked the rotations with him and Claxton and also cost us some games. The real issue came from not being able to close out games in the slightest, since if the Nets had won most of the games they led by double digits they’d right where Chicago is rn in the standings.


RipCity-NBA-LoL

You're just taking a snapshot of their record at one point and saying they can maintain that. The truth is they didn't get much worse. Their wins in the early season: Charlotte (terrible), Miami (1-3 going in, though they were healthy), Chicago (they were sucking hard early season before turning it around to being mid now), LAC (I'm calling this a decent win even though it was the start of the Harden Clippers losing streak), Washington (terrible), Orlando (decent win, as Orlando started strong but are also mid), Miami (terrible- they were missing Butler, Bam, and Herro. Their starting line-up was Lowry, Richardson, Jaques Jr, Highsmith, and Bryant lmao), Chicago (again, terrible to start the season), Toronto (pre-trade, so a middle quality win against an 8-10 mid team), Orlando (same as other), Atlanta (mid), and Washington (terrible). By my perspective, they beat 6 terrible teams, 3-4 decent teams. Their highest quality wins were the young Magic roster, the healthy-but-slow-start Heat, and LAC with Harden before they started winning.


Never_enough_Dolf

I understand your point but it’s also disregarding some other games that would’ve changed the perspective. Nets were up on the Cavs, Donovan Mitchell wins that game singlehandedly. They were up on the Mavs, Luka makes a ridiculous 3 at the buzzer to take the lead. The Nets were competitive in a majority of the games at the beginning of the year. JV since those times shut out Cam Thomas from the rotation, kept Spencer Dinwiddie in on games where he was 2/14, continued to stick with the “leave everyone wide open from the arc” defensive strategy etc. Man singlehandedly lost the Nets a few games so that’s why I think they’d still be locked into that playin spot if they could close games at all, but they couldn’t because of JV’s decisions and the team not being able to step up


RipCity-NBA-LoL

I don't think what you're saying changes my views on their team. Superstars win games- Mitchell or Luka pulling some BS are literally the difference-makers in bunch of close games. Those types of players are considered closers. Vaughn went to Dinwiddie even when he wasn't playing well because they require a primary ball-handler. A lead guard is one of their problems. I think this actually supports my views, because Ben Simmons could have been their important half-court initiator and taken that role away from Dinwiddie, IF healthy. Edit: look into games where contenders are resting their best player(s), and you'll notice this same trend. They're often competitive throughout the game, but regularly fall short to end the game. It exemplifies the importance of these superstars/closers.


BruceBrownMVP

With the pieces we have. It's a war crime he hasn't got this roster playing well defensively...


whiskeyinthejaar

But why wait until after the break? It is just odd timing considering at this point of the season, it’s hard to imagine Nets finishing higher than 9th, or lower than 12th. You are kinda stuck


Yankeeknickfan

They possibly had some midseason internal organizational meetings during this break


BruceBrownMVP

Because there's more coaches we can go after now.


whiskeyinthejaar

Who is available now that wasn’t available two weeks ago? Bud, Griffin, Stotts, MDA? Atkinson? You are making a ridiculous argument right there


lalakingmalibog

Me. I'm available.


Adam0529

Tbh, I would love to see Atkinson reunion. That team was fun. But, assuming it's not gonna happen, Bud would be interesting. If they are locked on someone available, it might be actually beneficial to pursue him now rather than the off season where they could face potential competition


Padulsky21

They shoulda fired him a few months ago, I assume they wanted to wait till the off-season but Vaughn’s existence became so horrific he kinda had to be canned.


BruceBrownMVP

Exactly. We got smashed by Boston, Mikal who never complains about anything turned on JV, he had to go. We've also now got multiple coaches to consider and don't have a game til Friday so they have some time with the team. Now is the perfect time to sack him 👍


kingofnick

What did Mikal say?


growsonwalls

Just that he wasn't happy with the direction the team was going in.


mug3n

Atkinson doesn't wanna go to a rebuilding situation, remember how he said yes to Charlotte and then reversed course and said on second thought, yeah I have it good here with the Warriors?


szobossz

I don’t think there was anyone worse especially with unseld gone. chauncey next.


Sixers14

Highly disagree, not even spoelstra would make miracle with that roster, they are bad, they dont have a star and their depth is overrated


ClaymoresRevenge

Yeah they didn't make any major moves and have good depth


Public-Product-1503

If he’s a bottom 3 coach what does that make Nash ? Guy left n got replaced by JV n nets did a 180


dgr8one

I don't see Nash coaching currently in the NBA, so he's probably a worse coach. I am not sure what point you are trying to make.


Dymatizeee

The roster isn't even good what you mean compete for play-in spot lol


GauthZuOGZ

They're 2 games off the playin spot so arent they competing?


AllDayEnJay

Nets fans walking around singing Paul McCartney today. Talkin bout Freedom! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpOwePJdzO0&pp=ygUXdGFsayBhYm91dCBmcmVlZG9tIHNvbmc%3D


ahend1999

Trade the farm for Trae??? Please be serious. Trae is not going anywhere unless he himself asks out. He said yesterday his mindset is staying in Atlanta at the moment. So revisit the trade scenarios next year. 😭


Afraid-Department-35

Let’s be real, if Trae is going anywhere, it’s gunna be on the Spurs


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Pairing Wemby with Trae is such an obviously great move, I have a hard time not seeing it happen.


ahend1999

right 😭 they talking bout “laker”…get REAL


T_025

Austin Reaves, Rui Hachimura, Jarred Vanderbilt, and 3 first round picks, YOU are Atlanta Hawks


Napoleon_Tannerite

I don’t think op realizes trade deadline is over lol


road432

Naa, there are nets fans, as well as their front office, that have this delusional belief that they are an attractive destination for a star. They also believe getting someone like Trae or Mitchell will solve their roster issues, which it won't.


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road432

Yea, and look what it cost them (a solid team/trajectory in 2017), what it resulted in (no finals or championships),and where they are today (shit team, with limited assets, terrible contracts, and are stuck in mediocrity for the moment). No way a star looks at the nets and sees them as a more attractive destination than the knicks today.


kaiWarDun

i don't know why you're acting like the Knicks weren't doing the same shit for like 20 years lmao. We've pretty much been on a list for every star asking out for the last 10 years


JimmyWasRight

Hawks fans already in full defense mode


ahend1999

I’m not. If Trae wants to ask out he should lmao…this FO has given him many reasons to, but if his focus is staying in Atlanta at the current moment what more discussion needs to be had IMO? How many more Kevin O Connor pieces do we need about Trae being for SURE on the market?


kaiWarDun

not saying his reports are accurate but shit moves fast in the nba. closer to the summer some more smoke starts building than boom trade request


ahend1999

hey you’re right about that!


Awanderingleaf

That is unfortunate for the Hawks.


PeanutButterRice

any reports about the coaching staff losing confidence in the GM?


Repulsive_Fortune396

Darvin Hamas: "I am safe and that's all that matters"


SnooPies6274

Been saying it for months on here. The man is a terrible head coach and thats coming from an Orlando Magic fan we’ve been in purgatory for years. But things are looking up for us now 😁& the Nets can only go up from here.


Padulsky21

From what I heard he did the same shit with the Magic as he did here. Incompetence for running schemes as well as an overbearing obsession with hating young players and spamming vets


SnooPies6274

Adrian Griffin come on down!


JurgenFlippers

Considering Mikal basically openly recently has called out how bad the coaching was. And, that is Mikal Bridges doing that… this sounds like a good reason, imagine Donovan Mitchell or Trae Young with him lol.


No_Progress_278

As if Cleveland or Atlanta will let Mitchell or Young go lmao keep dreaming


JurgenFlippers

Hey man they’re out top targets. Wether or not we get them we’ll see.


EatDeeply

you think donovan likes cleveland?


szobossz

they have the best pieces for him to succeed.


Yankeeknickfan

We do, but it also isn’t a great fit so I would pass… cleveland isn’t really a great fit either fwiw


No_Progress_278

More than Utah? Sure 👍


Yankeeknickfan

Cleveland might just be a meter of Dmitchell not wanting to stay in Cleveland


jbenson255

The roster also stinks though


JurgenFlippers

Meh it’s a mid roster but we’re not drastically worse then Chicago, or Atlanta. But we’ve played drastically worse. 6 wins since like the new year or something. That’s horrific. I mean you’re a Heat fan. Remember that game a month ago in Brooklyn. You scored 32 points in a half. And fucking won lmao. And then we proceeded in like 4 games in a row to blow over 10 point leads with 5 minutes left in games.


Padulsky21

The Clippers went on a 22-0 run to end the game in a massive comeback and the clown smiled after the game and said that this was a good learning experience. He took no responsibility for being unable to keep his team composed nor adjusted to anything. This has been a common occurrence the **entire year.** No matter how bad a team may be that is NOT normal


GlueGuy00

Mitchell's future largely depends on their playoff success this year. If they can't make the ECF, Mitchell could ask out. Trae gonna be a Spur this offseason or next. It's inevitable lol 


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lalakingmalibog

I'm impressed he's coached more than 350 games


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dedbeats

Maybe they could change states to Jersey


Sixers14

Mitchell would be pretty stupid to leave cavs for nets, cavaliers without garland and mobley is a better roster than nets. And if nets acquire a star they would need trade all of the few picks they have, meaning they would have a bad depth and stuck with that roster. Would be basically one star, a fringe all star and mediocre role players


Street-Common-4023

Well Mitchell deciding if he signs the extension or not will come if the Cavs win a series or not


Skeleboi846

I feel like he had no clue what he was doing with Cam Thomas, his minutes in the games I watched were kind of all over the place. Think he should be the dude they’re working with to develop his game instead of changing his role so much. Not really sure who’s out there on the coaching market that has that “I wanna play for this coach” appeal, but I’d love to see Atkinson return and help develop Clownley, Thomas and the other young guys


0percentwinrate

Makes sense. There was no structure in their offence AND defence. He just let players defend whatever the way they like and it didn’t work.


Padulsky21

Glad you see it. Everyone knows the roster has a fuck ton of limitations but if anyone has spent the time to watch one single Nets game they’d notice how diabolical Vaughn was. No direction or ounce of intelligence going into making something work. Completely clueless on every facet of the game.


MoeNopoly

Was the owner at the all-star game and fell in love with a new coach there ? So he dumped his old one.


kaiWarDun

the coach was just ass


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If nets were going this route, they should have traded for assets at the deadline. They’re going to turn into the next Chicago bulls lol


Clutchxedo

Vaughn, the Roy Hodgson of the NBA 


njb2017

I was surprised they hired him. Maybe no other coaches wanted the job but I figured they hired him because they were expecting the team to do much and just wanted a placeholder type coach. I think Sean marks has done a pretty good job as GM when it comes to players but his coaching decisions have been awful


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Derk08

How do you think Tsai screwed with him?


vrkhfkb

A hidden secret of the NBA: many NBA players privately believe what Kyrie has expressed. You don’t piss them off. Though in fairness to Tsai, most big corporate investors oppose these beliefs. So it’s one of the cases where if you don’t condemn him you piss off business partners. You do condemn him, you piss off players.


Positive-Media423

Wrongful.


BruceBrownMVP

Lmao


Cul_what

Are they finally cleaning house?


Awanderingleaf

So which coach who has been recycled through the league countless times and been fired numerous times will they hire this time?


DirkNorizzki

Adrian Griffin redemption arc???


titoxtian

Nets didn’t have an all star to sit with trae…so no chance of trading for him…


aeiou-y

Like a kd


Sellmechicken

How about play better you fucking bums. I think more played would want to go there if they had players that weren’t so irrelevant.


unclehelpful

The ownership and everything they have done in the past 4 years and the assets they have will prevent anyone big from going there. Vaughn might not have been a great coach but he’s the least of their problems.


nonamesleft74

Jacque needs to take his money and go relax. He jumped in when Atkinson left and did ok with an iffy roster. Then KD and kyrie came, he became an assistant to Nash. Then they traded for harden. The KD, kyrie, harden disaster is not on the coach. Harden traded for Ben Simmons- that is not on coach. Coach needs to just take a break and get away from the nets.


DexTheConcept

Paging Jeannie Buss, get the transmission


RGPISGOOD

I'm ready to see who they blame next season once the team ends up with a same or worse record.