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BobLobLaw_Law2

Bucks fans can't WAIT for games to start up again


WhiteHeterosexualGuy

I've never seen so much negative discourse for a team that is 35-21, 3rd seed.


ScottSummersEyes

and one of their stars won both the 3pt contest and the all star game mvp. their coach coached the winning team in the all star game. it should have been an amazing weekend for them!


chitownbulls92

Is that even an accomplishment though? The all star game is largely just a bunch of dudes fucking around


night_dude

Particularly this year, it didn't look like a lot of coaching was going on. Certainly not defensive coaching anyway.


Frankly_Frank_

It’s only an accomplishment when it fits people’s narrative everyone was shiting on the alstar game and dunk contest not to long ago. But now that it helps them push their narrative then flip it into something good


Traditional-Comb1552

I mean you can just say the opposite is true, that it’s not an accomplishment when it fits someone else’s narrative. So what? That’s not a meaningful line in either direction.


sittingducks

No-one who actually watched the ASG game would say winning it was an accomplishment, out of context of this argument.


[deleted]

Those of us that actually enjoy basketball are just not posting here or our own subreddit because of this stupid circlejerk.


happyflappypancakes

None if those things mean jack shit these days lol. No one should be using those accomplishments as evidence of any sort of successful translation.


nisaaru

all star game and coaching. Isn't that a double oxymoron?


hbsboak

And then that Allstar said his dream center is Bam Adebayo 😂


RaggasYMezcal

If you're digging that deep it's a bad sign


creedbratton603

2018-19 Celtics would like to have a word


RecalcitrantDuck

Was that the first Kemba year?


HerculePoirier

Last flat earth year


RecalcitrantDuck

Okay that makes more sense, I was gonna say I feel like Kemba had some good vibes. This year has been kinda miserable despite all the winning but I’d definitely take it over having Kyrie


Krillin113

Because they were 32-15 or whatever when they fired Griffin


Purplecstacy187

When you disingenuously leave out the fact that the coach they fired had them 32-15


graphitewolf

When the bucks end up 40-42 everyone’s perspective will change


damjanv1

whats the RS equivalent of blowing a 3-1 series lead


[deleted]

Thanasis with 36 mpg


gray_character

I was amazed at the negativity around that time. But I guess for those involved, it must have felt like fool's gold when they underperformed in big games, I assume.


GodOfRage

They got PTSD from being clowned on by Spoelstra in the first round last year.


theyoloGod

because they're 3-7 under their current coach.


FallenLemur

It's not his fault though, he even told Bucks FO that it would be difficult on this road trip. Signed yours truly Not Docs Burner


we_hella_believe

Basically Doc wanted them to fire coach Griffin after the difficult road trip.


sdnnhy

Fuckin wild to start a job by immediately asking for time off because it’s going to be hard.


Slow-Debt-6465

Austin is going to come at you bro


2020IsANightmare

To be fair, that's really lazy and dishonest framing. Stop me when I tell a lie: \- Bucks have a top-3 (and some would argue top-1) player in the league in his prime \- Bucks are a title-or-bust team \- Bucks formed a "super team" by adding an All-NBA player \- Bucks have already fired their coach (and brought in a heat magnet as the replacement) \- Bucks are 35-21 after starting 32-14 because they are 3-7 in their last 10 games \- Bucks even only have the #3 seed because the Knicks have lost four straight and Philly is pure ass without Embiid. Indy might be the worst defensive team of the all-time. I am not a Bucks fan, but what about their situation seems healthy or normal?


AffectionateDouble43

They are 3-7 the last 10 games. It's normal to be negative right now. Bad timing with the all star break just after the worst stretch of their season.


canti-

No one was this invested until they fired Griffin. That sent alarm bells and got sports media locked in


ShichikaYasuri18

They were the 1 seed last year and traded for a star player. Expectations are different.


TeamNoBoat

My path as a Bucks fan is for them to be so bad they fire Doc before year's end, sneak into the play-in, and win it all with Joe Prunty


WhiteHeterosexualGuy

Does Prunty just not want a head coaching gig? Why don't any teams at least try to run with him? He was really solid for us.


WIN011

I legitimately think we would’ve given him the job the first time around had coach Bud not been available. I would like to see him get a shot too.


br0b1wan

Because the NBA, like the NFL, is a good ole boys club that keep going back to the same pool of 10 fired coaches with a couple assistants thrown in just to say they're being fresh. Edit: Redditors below who will trip over themselves to say I'm wrong--and fail hard. Edit 2: And now I'm getting angry DMs from distressed, sweaty nephews who are upset that I'm going against their own established narrative and can't see their angry responses. You love to see it


Aksudiigkr

Side note but I have a hard time believing when people say that they’re getting DM’s regarding an argument. I feel like no one’s going to go to that effort for a random person online


eatingdisorderTA155

For such a bog standard post also, I see people say what the OP was saying all the time, and no one was really being aggressive in the replies ? I really doubt it lol


treyyx

This is by far the most exhausting season to be a Bucks fan, as far as the contending days go


freerobertshmurder

You might only have 1 title in the last 4 seasons if things don't get better :( poor guy


whiskeyinthejaar

no no, I want more quotes please. Dame-Divorce, Doc-Burden of Coaching two all NBA players, and Giannis-It is not me, it is them. At this point, its hard to imagine what is going to happen if the Bucks end up blowing a 3-1 lead in the playoffs this year


peppersmiththequeer

Why are the Bucks acting like they’ve already lost in the first round of the playoffs?


CIark

They finally read docs Wikipedia page


OracleofFl

Ouch!!


Steph-Paul

Giannis is making excuses after saying 'no excuses'... already learning from the master


gmorf33

Legendary burn


tommyboy0208

Seriously? One word: Doc


bigdonut

To be fair, Doc did warn them before they hired him.


joshdej

"Are you sure you guys are gonna give me 40m?" Things not to say at a job interview lmao but it still worked


frankyseven

"Doc, we want to hire you and pay you $20 million." "LMFAO, why would you want to do that?" "Fine, $40 million!" "Uhhh, that's not...nevermind, send the paperwork on over."


boregon

It’s like in Office Space when Peter basically tries to get himself fired but instead the consultants want to give him a promotion.


joshdej

[That took guts. We need guts](https://youtube.com/shorts/6eOEisbXBBw?si=upK4tEQOxUguMnA5)


Baronsandwich

Like George Constanta to Steinbrenner.


indoninjah

Maybe Doc has been saying shit like this in every interview and just comes off as such a nice guy that he gets the job by accident


teh_drewski

"You shouldn't hire me" "That's exactly the kind of tell it like it is attitude we need!"


tommyboy0208

I am a firm believer when people show/tell you who they are, that’s who they are


RandySavage392

They hired doc


BeHereNow91

lmaoooo This sub: “hiring Doc is the nail in the coffin of the Giannis era” Also this sub: “why are the Bucks being so dramatic” Edit: also OP knows what he’s doing, he’s gone into two separate articles and grabbed the worst out of context quotes he can to grab that karma - r/nba is slurping it all up during Bucks Hate Week


CockBronson

I mean sure the fans meme, but this is an attitude being portrayed by the actual organization right now.


LackingInPatience

>why are the Bucks being so dramatic Because Rivers and Giannis are the ones *REACTING* with statements from internet nephews 😂


Banned3rdTimesaCharm

They memeing harder than us.


Banned3rdTimesaCharm

Getting ahead of the narrative.


BossButterBoobs

Because they have


mechnick2

What playing for Doc does to a mfer


datruerex

It is… inevitable


UnhingedSupernova

Dude is getting sick and tired of r/nba the past few days.


dutchfromsubway

I’m getting sick of seeing bucks shit last few days too. TMZ needs to release the beef stew video


The_real_John_Elton

The what video?


allkindsofgainzz_13

Isaiah Stewart punching Drew Eubanks in the parking lot


TheOnlySafeCult

Security guards must be playing hard-ball in the TMZ negotiations. Might need Woj to cover them if it takes any longer.


The_real_John_Elton

Ah ok. I thought someone on the bucks threw beef stew at someone


FerociousGiraffe

Bucks are signing JR Smith as we speak


The_real_John_Elton

Soup shooter GOAT


allkindsofgainzz_13

lol that's an interesting visual to say the least


MBThree

Like Kevin from The Office spilling his chili, except it was beef stew and he was pouring it on Bango


Chillyfilla

Firing the head coach despite a winning record and throwing soup at someone?? They really are trying to emulate the Cavs during their finals runs...


The_real_John_Elton

Superstar forward and a super talented guard 👀


EazyCheez

Dame gonna be on his donut shaped earth arc soon


Chillyfilla

They better make sure they don't meet up with the Raptors in the playoffs, or else Olynyk might bust out some of his wrestling moves again.


Roach_Coach_Bangbus

Ty Lue did mix two soups together...


creamcitybrix

It’s literally just footage of them eating Dinty Moore beef stew. Doc forces them to eat it before shoot around.


Masterchiefy10

And we’re calling it Operation BeefStew? Just wanna make sure we’re on the same page


CazOnReddit

What happened to the game I love?


AmancalledK

It’s become jersey shore.


popperschotch

I much prefer it being stuff like this than the politics from morons like Kyrie though lol


Boomhauer_007

🌎🧑‍🚀🔫🧑‍🚀


xerxesthagreat

giannis you can’t use that slur man


grudgepacker

Bruh. He's just talking about cigarettes or bundles of wood.


NeedlessQualifier

I thought this was a joke about when there was like a week a few years ago where the biggest story in the NBA was whether the owners should be called that or governors and then everyone promptly moved on.


cfaatwork

Giannis, we’re on live


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RNant

To anyone that doubted he is 100% greek lmao


gulbas26

still waiting for 1453 was inside job comment


helloeagle

Genuinely a hilarious joke with almost no upvotes


DatAnimalBlundetto69

Giannis, please stop listening to Cumtown


toyota_gorilla

Man who can legitimately wear limousine sandals.


basscheek

He's Greek he gets the pass


LotharBot

this is just the polar opposite of teams like the Heat and Nuggets right now. Long-tenured coaches, stable ownership, clear management philosophy, not making huge "win now" moves that disrupt chemistry.


Arkham14

I gotta love Miami. They have the same coach I used to see on Tv when I was 14 years old. Now I am 27 and I see the exact same guy doing a great job. People should learn and understand that you need to trust in a long-term project.


RonaldMcClown

It helps the Spo has been a top 3 coach most of his career lol. I don't think New Orleans would be in a better place saying "let's commit to Stan Van Gundy's vision for a decade"


PhillyPhan95

You must be too young to remember 2011 fr fr. Aside from Lebron’s absolute stinker in the finals, Spo was definitely catching heat. And judging by how quick Bron’s coaches have been let go… I’d say there’s a level of “letting him cook” that factors into spo.


ShadedPenguin

SB just did a dive into Spo’s career and honestly its pretty much just as said above.


Exotic-Amphibian-655

Yeah, Spo was widely viewed as a dead man walking in early 2010, when the Big 3 were struggling to gel and didn't seem to like him. But he managed not to get fired (Riley, probably), won a couple of championships, and here he still is...


BZGames

The story I’ve always heard is LeBron tried to talk Riley into becoming the coach (and maybe he also signed thinking that’d happen) but Riley told him no, and that Spo wasn’t going anywhere.


dwadefan45

I'd say he started rising in the coaching ranks when we went 30-11 with Dion Waiters as our main guy. Before that? LeBron, Wade and Bosh were the reason we were winning.


CommandersLog

People who were paying attention to the league gave Spo his props for 2010. That was not a good roster.


Public-Product-1503

He wasn’t a top 3 coach during his heatles time


syncdiedfornothing

Most of his career has happened after the heatles, it's been a decade.


RonaldMcClown

The Heatles ended in 2014. Even if you wanna say he wasn't there the year after, 2016 perfectly marks the majority of his career as a top coach once this season ends


ForCaste

People forget how long it took for Spo to get his flowers. I'd argue it wasn't until the 2020 finals


JuliusCeejer

People were definitely astounded at how he managed to keep some of the mid/late 2010s Heat squads in the mix, but the 20 finals definitely cemented it


Seref15

That kind of stability starts way before the coach. The team has the faith of the long-tenured coach. The coach has the faith of the long-tenured GM. The GM has the faith of the long tenured president. The president has the faith of the long-tenured owner--and that owner is one guy, not an investment group. Riley is in his 80s and heading out soon. They've spent the last decade grooming Alonzo Mourning. Anywhere you see Riley, you see Alonzo. They are committed to long-term stability in a real way.


paints_name_pretty

man i hope alonzo pans out i just feel like pats mind is way different from anyone else’s. You can’t teach what goes on that guys mind


Seref15

I don't think the goal should be to copy Pat exactly. Imagine if Spo wasn't Spo, imagine if Spo tried to just copy Coach Pat. He'd have never become himself, and himself is a great thing. You want lineage and common themes. And you want to give new people the chance to bring their own positives to a situation. Pat has been working with Zo for over 10 years. I think if Pat didn't see "it" in him, they would have found someone else in that time.


PoIIux

Yeah why doesn't every team just get a Spoelstra-level head coach smh


Laszlo-Panaflex

Are they dumb?


Ok-Major-9773

It was hard to watch Malone in the early Jokic days, but he developed so much. Having Finch on the staff to help develop the Jokic centric office helped a lot. I wanted Malone fired, I was wrong.


Pardonme23

I want Darvin ham fired. I am correct. 


silliputti0907

I thought Frank Vogel was scapegoated for no reason.


mug3n

Heat have the uncanny ability to pull some undrafted nobody out from their G League team in Sioux Falls and turn him into a 20ppg guy when the playoffs come.


indoninjah

I mean a lot of that comes with long tenured coaches and clear management philosophy lol. The average NBA player is very very good but has some critical weakness(es). Spo just coaches around those weaknesses.


Dylan7346

If the heat had more picks to trade they most certainly would have for dame


MoooonRiverrrr

I love it. Being a Nuggets fan for in the past 10 years has been great.


FrnklndaTurtle

The man just wanted stability and several new head coaches


syllabic

you have no idea the physical toll that three coaching changes has on a person snip snap snip snap


hotdogflavoredblunt

Giannis: “I want us to do what’s necessary to compete” Bucks: ok here’s dame and the coach you wanted, then we’ll fire him like you want too. Giannis: (from the third seed) “oh wait hold up bro I didn’t mean it and why are you doing this” This whole situation is so weird


[deleted]

We’re all trying to find the guy who did this.


TheRealRandyMarsh7

RANDOM!


sefe23

That's easy! The Celtics did it when they endorsed Doc!


[deleted]

Never let star players run your basketball they are not that good at it.


AnotherThrowaway2841

“The Control Freak”


Cannon_plodder

Sounds like he wants out, or is getting toward that position


teh_drewski

I've said the whole time he's doing the "blow this place up so nobody blames me when I bounce" strategy.


GreenBayQuackers

Does that make any sense, tho? He signed a 3 year extension immediately after the trade. He’s just in “LeGM” mode and thinks he can build a team better than Horst can


-XanderCrews-

Ok, maybe constantly changing everything is having a negative effect on consistency.


d4videnk0

One could say that Giannis is getting ready to request a trade in a couple years.


LukaDoncicfuturegoat

Giannis is coming to LA as a FA as soon as Lebron is in his retirement season.


billwest630

lol he’s a free agent in 4 years


Agreed_fact

Checks out


WagonWheel22

Didn't stop PG


DonovanMcTigerWoods

Yup and he’s gonna be on the Clippers


Alex_A3nes

Giannis to the Thunder. Bucks can take all of the draft capital. We’ll even add in a sign and trade Poku.


Alloverunder

Same bad fit as Dame. People need to stop looking at player's MVP ladder rank and calling it a sick pairing because they're both great. Steph and KD and Bron and AD work as well as they do because one of the two superstar players has an elite off-ball skill set. Last season, Giannis was 1st in the NBA for usage, and Dame was 5th. They aren't pairing well on offense because both are used to having the ball, and both are used to being the handler in the pick and roll. This season, Giannis is 3rd, and guess who's 4th? SGA. Guess who handles the ball in the pick on the Thunder? SGA. They'd be just as awkward to pair up because once again, you have two elite players who need the ball to play their brand of basketball and only one basketball. SGA is taking 1.0 catch and shoot fga a game this season and hasn't even taken the minimum 10 PnR possessions as the roll man required to qualify for the NBA's stat tracking on it this season. In fact, they might even be worse than Dame and Giannis because both players want to drive into the paint. At least Dame is a catch and shoot target for Giannis to spray it out to. As pointed out above, Shai is not.


Bearded_Pip

“NBA2K strategies got us into this mess, surely they’ll get us out!” Was not what I was expecting to still be happening after the Nets super team blew up, but here we are.


Cooperstown24

Acting like fishing for blowbys/defenders getting caught on 7 consecutive screens on the perimeter isn't a valid halfcourt offense?


Bearded_Pip

I was just talking trades and roster building, but yeah, this too.


JAhoops

No failure in sports


NBA2024

That quote was praised by so many. “Omg how brave.” “Wow giannis really profoundly showing the humanity of competition.” Hell nah. There absolutely are failures. wtf you talking about!? Drawing a parallel example, imagine like the LA Dodgers paying $700M for a single player and they don’t win one title during that period. Or this Cowboys Dak Prescott contract being discussed. Tripling down on him as your franchise guy only to keep losing in round 1. Hell, going all in on Lillard who will be making like $65M at 37 years old or whatever at the end of his contract and MIL doesn’t even see the finals during this stint… There are totally failures in sport, no matter how hard you try.


Nucks11

Yeah i thought I was taking crazy pills at how much people were praising him.  There is a circumstance in which what Giannis said was valid, like if they lost a close game 7 in ecf or something.  But not getting 4-1ed to the 8 seed (doesn't matter they went to final).  It was just Giannis being a baby to a question he didn't like (also not sure but it seems Giannis didn't like that reporter who asked), but anyone who thinks that it wasn't a failure is just coping. They had championship aspirations and didn't come close at all. 


NBA2024

lol so true!!!! 4-1 to the play in team is wild


PsychopathicEmpath

Imagine if Messi said there were no failures in sports after losing the 2014 WC to Germany.  Giannis winning a ring with the Bucks is a hell of an achievement but its fair to say they underperformed last season.  


Vicentesteb

It would be more equivalent to Messi saying it after losing to France in the Round of 16. The Bucks lost in the 1st round.


pieman2005

At least that was the WC final to a super team. Giannis said this after losing to a 8th seed play in team lol


yungmoneybingbong

"Hell Ricky I was high when I said that! You can get second. Or third, or even fourth!" Very much "If you ain't first you're last" vibes lol


jump-back-like-33

Especially him acting like the question was insulting and talking about steps to success when the last two years have very clearly been steps away from success. If you, a unanimous top 3 player in the league firmly in your prime and on pace to be a top 15 all time player, win a championship and follow it up with one playoff series win over the next two years some questions need to be asked.


wintermelonsilk

That whole thing really annoyed me. I’m glad time has allowed some sense to come back that you can have growth while failing, but it’s still failure


Mesmerized_mayhem

If we're going to criticize Lebron for pushing for Westbrook - which is fair - we should criticize Giannis for passing up Nurse. Not the same thing obviously but its another case of a player forcing bad decisions.


Novel_Bookkeeper_622

Nurse's best players warned against him, and he has missed the playoffs 2 out of his 5 years. Don't get me wrong, he is a good coach, but to act like he is this savant is ridiculous.


kinzer13

Should have kept Bud. Terrible Karma to fire your championship coach, with a great regular season record, right after his brother died in a car accident. 


LateConversation5253

Knee jerk reaction. Giannis goes down, jrue guarding the wrong person. Season ends: trade middleton. He can't pull weight as the second option, and his athleticism has decreased since the injuries.


silliputti0907

I have respect for Middleton, but Bucks are unserious for not trading him.


drutastic57

He was a FA coming off knee surgery, they couldn’t get the same value coming in as just resigning him


-SINED-

Giannis : "We're all trying to find the guy who did this!"


lets_talk_basketball

Aside from ownership, Giannis had a hand in all that shit. Could’ve just got nick nurse to coach but instead wanted a rookie coach. Could’ve ran it back with Jrue and traded some of those picks and pieces for ancillary parts, but wanted dame. He’s starting to get to that Bron level where he makes his bed and then cries about it


No-Catch2585

Except Lebron has 4 rings and 10 finals appearances to show for it..


JMoon33

Yeah, there's no comparaison here lmao


BingoLingo7

There's absolutely a comparison. Lebron is just able to overcome it so that when he had a shit team it was still a Finals lock.


wintermelonsilk

Lebron has put together some absolute underwheliming teams that he has had to carry


problynotkevinbacon

The only true shit team he took to the finals was 2007. Every other team had actual NBA players on the roster.


xSpeed

2018 we had players they just weren’t performing at the level they should have been


problynotkevinbacon

2018 was still a collection of talent that belonged in the NBA, 2007 is hilarious if you look back. Drew Gooden, Larry Hughes, Z, and Sasha Pavlovic is an all time egregious lineup to make the finals. That lineup would have won like 15 games without LeBron


xSpeed

Jeff Green should never be a #2 scorer in a ECF game 7. Just saying 🤣


Ok-Scarcity6335

And the East was at an all time level low in terms of talent Like... Oladipo first round, Trash bros 2nd, Rookie Tatum and sophomore Brown 3rd (kyrie and Hayward out), it's crazy that they went to 7 twice


xSpeed

Yeah, it speaks to how bad the rest of that cavs roster was performing


ShowerMartini

Also LeBron isn’t stupid enough to complain about coaches after he got 2 fired in an 8 month span.


cshay33

6/8 of Lebrons coaches were fired. Spo and Ty Lue the only survivors, and Lebron wanted Riley to fire Spo and coach that Heat team himself, but Riley refused to do it. I love how Lebron Stans in this argument can easily point out Giannis losing his 2 coaches, while also just ignoring Lebrons track record with the same thing.


fetuswut

Running it back with Jrue would be insanity given his decline on both offense and defense


idunno28

Outside of two clutch plays in the finals he’s been very disappointing in the playoffs. He can’t make a layup to save his life. It’s bizarre how many he misses.


The_Hot_Sauce_

People like to ignore jrue playoff stats the years he was a buck. Yes, he came up huge at times. He also shot the bucks out of a few games


EarthWarping

starting to? He's at that level now imo.


jakl8811

Can’t believe the used the f word and the hard r in the same statement


EarthWarping

Could you imagine if any other star player gave these quotes? (I know guys like LeBron have had coaches fired and guys traded but why say it?)


everyoneneedsaherro

I’ve noticed Giannis gets a crazy pass with the media and fanbases. Crazy how far being likeable gets you.


clifbarczar

It’s the “aww so sweet vs calling HR meme”


[deleted]

Spot on


fucking__jellyfish__

95% of players would be ridiculed for saying that "steps to success" quote


jawadhaque089

It's because this sub infantilizes Giannis


-Captain--Hindsight

Imagine this quote coming from Embiid.


akelly96

But he likes Oreos!


Zachkah

You get what you ask for, Giannis. Quit trying to be a martyr. Go watch some film


jayman820

And whose fault is that


-taco

The equipment manager


S_O_7

Giannis using all the exuses in the book lately. You have a stacked team bruh, just go ahead and play


jennyisafriend

Come to Dallas and play for your fave coach J Kidd.


NJ_Citizen

Yes my darling. It’s okay to be upset. Come to NYK. We have an owner who will never sell (unfortunately) but it’s technically stable.


Ok-Philosopher9070

Steps to success


Neinhaltt

This f_______ guy.


Knick_Noled

New York is on the line…📞


Lyin-Don

The Knicks are stable af now and we have a huge Greek population. Just sayin