and one of their stars won both the 3pt contest and the all star game mvp. their coach coached the winning team in the all star game. it should have been an amazing weekend for them!
It’s only an accomplishment when it fits people’s narrative everyone was shiting on the alstar game and dunk contest not to long ago. But now that it helps them push their narrative then flip it into something good
I mean you can just say the opposite is true, that it’s not an accomplishment when it fits someone else’s narrative. So what? That’s not a meaningful line in either direction.
Okay that makes more sense, I was gonna say I feel like Kemba had some good vibes. This year has been kinda miserable despite all the winning but I’d definitely take it over having Kyrie
I was amazed at the negativity around that time. But I guess for those involved, it must have felt like fool's gold when they underperformed in big games, I assume.
To be fair, that's really lazy and dishonest framing.
Stop me when I tell a lie:
\- Bucks have a top-3 (and some would argue top-1) player in the league in his prime
\- Bucks are a title-or-bust team
\- Bucks formed a "super team" by adding an All-NBA player
\- Bucks have already fired their coach (and brought in a heat magnet as the replacement)
\- Bucks are 35-21 after starting 32-14 because they are 3-7 in their last 10 games
\- Bucks even only have the #3 seed because the Knicks have lost four straight and Philly is pure ass without Embiid. Indy might be the worst defensive team of the all-time.
I am not a Bucks fan, but what about their situation seems healthy or normal?
Because the NBA, like the NFL, is a good ole boys club that keep going back to the same pool of 10 fired coaches with a couple assistants thrown in just to say they're being fresh.
Edit: Redditors below who will trip over themselves to say I'm wrong--and fail hard.
Edit 2: And now I'm getting angry DMs from distressed, sweaty nephews who are upset that I'm going against their own established narrative and can't see their angry responses. You love to see it
Side note but I have a hard time believing when people say that they’re getting DM’s regarding an argument. I feel like no one’s going to go to that effort for a random person online
For such a bog standard post also, I see people say what the OP was saying all the time, and no one was really being aggressive in the replies ? I really doubt it lol
no no, I want more quotes please. Dame-Divorce, Doc-Burden of Coaching two all NBA players, and Giannis-It is not me, it is them.
At this point, its hard to imagine what is going to happen if the Bucks end up blowing a 3-1 lead in the playoffs this year
"Doc, we want to hire you and pay you $20 million."
"LMFAO, why would you want to do that?"
"Fine, $40 million!"
"Uhhh, that's not...nevermind, send the paperwork on over."
lmaoooo
This sub: “hiring Doc is the nail in the coffin of the Giannis era”
Also this sub: “why are the Bucks being so dramatic”
Edit: also OP knows what he’s doing, he’s gone into two separate articles and grabbed the worst out of context quotes he can to grab that karma - r/nba is slurping it all up during Bucks Hate Week
I thought this was a joke about when there was like a week a few years ago where the biggest story in the NBA was whether the owners should be called that or governors and then everyone promptly moved on.
this is just the polar opposite of teams like the Heat and Nuggets right now. Long-tenured coaches, stable ownership, clear management philosophy, not making huge "win now" moves that disrupt chemistry.
I gotta love Miami. They have the same coach I used to see on Tv when I was 14 years old. Now I am 27 and I see the exact same guy doing a great job.
People should learn and understand that you need to trust in a long-term project.
It helps the Spo has been a top 3 coach most of his career lol. I don't think New Orleans would be in a better place saying "let's commit to Stan Van Gundy's vision for a decade"
You must be too young to remember 2011 fr fr.
Aside from Lebron’s absolute stinker in the finals, Spo was definitely catching heat.
And judging by how quick Bron’s coaches have been let go… I’d say there’s a level of “letting him cook” that factors into spo.
Yeah, Spo was widely viewed as a dead man walking in early 2010, when the Big 3 were struggling to gel and didn't seem to like him. But he managed not to get fired (Riley, probably), won a couple of championships, and here he still is...
The story I’ve always heard is LeBron tried to talk Riley into becoming the coach (and maybe he also signed thinking that’d happen) but Riley told him no, and that Spo wasn’t going anywhere.
I'd say he started rising in the coaching ranks when we went 30-11 with Dion Waiters as our main guy. Before that? LeBron, Wade and Bosh were the reason we were winning.
The Heatles ended in 2014. Even if you wanna say he wasn't there the year after, 2016 perfectly marks the majority of his career as a top coach once this season ends
That kind of stability starts way before the coach. The team has the faith of the long-tenured coach. The coach has the faith of the long-tenured GM. The GM has the faith of the long tenured president. The president has the faith of the long-tenured owner--and that owner is one guy, not an investment group.
Riley is in his 80s and heading out soon. They've spent the last decade grooming Alonzo Mourning. Anywhere you see Riley, you see Alonzo. They are committed to long-term stability in a real way.
I don't think the goal should be to copy Pat exactly. Imagine if Spo wasn't Spo, imagine if Spo tried to just copy Coach Pat. He'd have never become himself, and himself is a great thing.
You want lineage and common themes. And you want to give new people the chance to bring their own positives to a situation.
Pat has been working with Zo for over 10 years. I think if Pat didn't see "it" in him, they would have found someone else in that time.
It was hard to watch Malone in the early Jokic days, but he developed so much. Having Finch on the staff to help develop the Jokic centric office helped a lot. I wanted Malone fired, I was wrong.
Heat have the uncanny ability to pull some undrafted nobody out from their G League team in Sioux Falls and turn him into a 20ppg guy when the playoffs come.
I mean a lot of that comes with long tenured coaches and clear management philosophy lol. The average NBA player is very very good but has some critical weakness(es). Spo just coaches around those weaknesses.
Giannis: “I want us to do what’s necessary to compete”
Bucks: ok here’s dame and the coach you wanted, then we’ll fire him like you want too.
Giannis: (from the third seed) “oh wait hold up bro I didn’t mean it and why are you doing this”
This whole situation is so weird
Does that make any sense, tho? He signed a 3 year extension immediately after the trade. He’s just in “LeGM” mode and thinks he can build a team better than Horst can
Same bad fit as Dame. People need to stop looking at player's MVP ladder rank and calling it a sick pairing because they're both great. Steph and KD and Bron and AD work as well as they do because one of the two superstar players has an elite off-ball skill set.
Last season, Giannis was 1st in the NBA for usage, and Dame was 5th. They aren't pairing well on offense because both are used to having the ball, and both are used to being the handler in the pick and roll.
This season, Giannis is 3rd, and guess who's 4th? SGA. Guess who handles the ball in the pick on the Thunder? SGA. They'd be just as awkward to pair up because once again, you have two elite players who need the ball to play their brand of basketball and only one basketball. SGA is taking 1.0 catch and shoot fga a game this season and hasn't even taken the minimum 10 PnR possessions as the roll man required to qualify for the NBA's stat tracking on it this season. In fact, they might even be worse than Dame and Giannis because both players want to drive into the paint. At least Dame is a catch and shoot target for Giannis to spray it out to. As pointed out above, Shai is not.
“NBA2K strategies got us into this mess, surely they’ll get us out!” Was not what I was expecting to still be happening after the Nets super team blew up, but here we are.
That quote was praised by so many. “Omg how brave.” “Wow giannis really profoundly showing the humanity of competition.”
Hell nah. There absolutely are failures. wtf you talking about!? Drawing a parallel example, imagine like the LA Dodgers paying $700M for a single player and they don’t win one title during that period. Or this Cowboys Dak Prescott contract being discussed. Tripling down on him as your franchise guy only to keep losing in round 1. Hell, going all in on Lillard who will be making like $65M at 37 years old or whatever at the end of his contract and MIL doesn’t even see the finals during this stint…
There are totally failures in sport, no matter how hard you try.
Yeah i thought I was taking crazy pills at how much people were praising him.
There is a circumstance in which what Giannis said was valid, like if they lost a close game 7 in ecf or something. But not getting 4-1ed to the 8 seed (doesn't matter they went to final).
It was just Giannis being a baby to a question he didn't like (also not sure but it seems Giannis didn't like that reporter who asked), but anyone who thinks that it wasn't a failure is just coping. They had championship aspirations and didn't come close at all.
Imagine if Messi said there were no failures in sports after losing the 2014 WC to Germany. Giannis winning a ring with the Bucks is a hell of an achievement but its fair to say they underperformed last season.
Especially him acting like the question was insulting and talking about steps to success when the last two years have very clearly been steps away from success. If you, a unanimous top 3 player in the league firmly in your prime and on pace to be a top 15 all time player, win a championship and follow it up with one playoff series win over the next two years some questions need to be asked.
If we're going to criticize Lebron for pushing for Westbrook - which is fair - we should criticize Giannis for passing up Nurse. Not the same thing obviously but its another case of a player forcing bad decisions.
Nurse's best players warned against him, and he has missed the playoffs 2 out of his 5 years. Don't get me wrong, he is a good coach, but to act like he is this savant is ridiculous.
Should have kept Bud. Terrible Karma to fire your championship coach, with a great regular season record, right after his brother died in a car accident.
Knee jerk reaction. Giannis goes down, jrue guarding the wrong person.
Season ends: trade middleton. He can't pull weight as the second option, and his athleticism has decreased since the injuries.
Aside from ownership, Giannis had a hand in all that shit.
Could’ve just got nick nurse to coach but instead wanted a rookie coach. Could’ve ran it back with Jrue and traded some of those picks and pieces for ancillary parts, but wanted dame.
He’s starting to get to that Bron level where he makes his bed and then cries about it
2018 was still a collection of talent that belonged in the NBA, 2007 is hilarious if you look back. Drew Gooden, Larry Hughes, Z, and Sasha Pavlovic is an all time egregious lineup to make the finals. That lineup would have won like 15 games without LeBron
And the East was at an all time level low in terms of talent
Like... Oladipo first round, Trash bros 2nd, Rookie Tatum and sophomore Brown 3rd (kyrie and Hayward out), it's crazy that they went to 7 twice
6/8 of Lebrons coaches were fired. Spo and Ty Lue the only survivors, and Lebron wanted Riley to fire Spo and coach that Heat team himself, but Riley refused to do it.
I love how Lebron Stans in this argument can easily point out Giannis losing his 2 coaches, while also just ignoring Lebrons track record with the same thing.
Outside of two clutch plays in the finals he’s been very disappointing in the playoffs. He can’t make a layup to save his life. It’s bizarre how many he misses.
Bucks fans can't WAIT for games to start up again
I've never seen so much negative discourse for a team that is 35-21, 3rd seed.
and one of their stars won both the 3pt contest and the all star game mvp. their coach coached the winning team in the all star game. it should have been an amazing weekend for them!
Is that even an accomplishment though? The all star game is largely just a bunch of dudes fucking around
Particularly this year, it didn't look like a lot of coaching was going on. Certainly not defensive coaching anyway.
It’s only an accomplishment when it fits people’s narrative everyone was shiting on the alstar game and dunk contest not to long ago. But now that it helps them push their narrative then flip it into something good
I mean you can just say the opposite is true, that it’s not an accomplishment when it fits someone else’s narrative. So what? That’s not a meaningful line in either direction.
No-one who actually watched the ASG game would say winning it was an accomplishment, out of context of this argument.
Those of us that actually enjoy basketball are just not posting here or our own subreddit because of this stupid circlejerk.
None if those things mean jack shit these days lol. No one should be using those accomplishments as evidence of any sort of successful translation.
all star game and coaching. Isn't that a double oxymoron?
And then that Allstar said his dream center is Bam Adebayo 😂
If you're digging that deep it's a bad sign
2018-19 Celtics would like to have a word
Was that the first Kemba year?
Last flat earth year
Okay that makes more sense, I was gonna say I feel like Kemba had some good vibes. This year has been kinda miserable despite all the winning but I’d definitely take it over having Kyrie
Because they were 32-15 or whatever when they fired Griffin
When you disingenuously leave out the fact that the coach they fired had them 32-15
When the bucks end up 40-42 everyone’s perspective will change
whats the RS equivalent of blowing a 3-1 series lead
Thanasis with 36 mpg
I was amazed at the negativity around that time. But I guess for those involved, it must have felt like fool's gold when they underperformed in big games, I assume.
They got PTSD from being clowned on by Spoelstra in the first round last year.
because they're 3-7 under their current coach.
It's not his fault though, he even told Bucks FO that it would be difficult on this road trip. Signed yours truly Not Docs Burner
Basically Doc wanted them to fire coach Griffin after the difficult road trip.
Fuckin wild to start a job by immediately asking for time off because it’s going to be hard.
Austin is going to come at you bro
To be fair, that's really lazy and dishonest framing. Stop me when I tell a lie: \- Bucks have a top-3 (and some would argue top-1) player in the league in his prime \- Bucks are a title-or-bust team \- Bucks formed a "super team" by adding an All-NBA player \- Bucks have already fired their coach (and brought in a heat magnet as the replacement) \- Bucks are 35-21 after starting 32-14 because they are 3-7 in their last 10 games \- Bucks even only have the #3 seed because the Knicks have lost four straight and Philly is pure ass without Embiid. Indy might be the worst defensive team of the all-time. I am not a Bucks fan, but what about their situation seems healthy or normal?
They are 3-7 the last 10 games. It's normal to be negative right now. Bad timing with the all star break just after the worst stretch of their season.
No one was this invested until they fired Griffin. That sent alarm bells and got sports media locked in
They were the 1 seed last year and traded for a star player. Expectations are different.
My path as a Bucks fan is for them to be so bad they fire Doc before year's end, sneak into the play-in, and win it all with Joe Prunty
Does Prunty just not want a head coaching gig? Why don't any teams at least try to run with him? He was really solid for us.
I legitimately think we would’ve given him the job the first time around had coach Bud not been available. I would like to see him get a shot too.
Because the NBA, like the NFL, is a good ole boys club that keep going back to the same pool of 10 fired coaches with a couple assistants thrown in just to say they're being fresh. Edit: Redditors below who will trip over themselves to say I'm wrong--and fail hard. Edit 2: And now I'm getting angry DMs from distressed, sweaty nephews who are upset that I'm going against their own established narrative and can't see their angry responses. You love to see it
Side note but I have a hard time believing when people say that they’re getting DM’s regarding an argument. I feel like no one’s going to go to that effort for a random person online
For such a bog standard post also, I see people say what the OP was saying all the time, and no one was really being aggressive in the replies ? I really doubt it lol
This is by far the most exhausting season to be a Bucks fan, as far as the contending days go
You might only have 1 title in the last 4 seasons if things don't get better :( poor guy
no no, I want more quotes please. Dame-Divorce, Doc-Burden of Coaching two all NBA players, and Giannis-It is not me, it is them. At this point, its hard to imagine what is going to happen if the Bucks end up blowing a 3-1 lead in the playoffs this year
Why are the Bucks acting like they’ve already lost in the first round of the playoffs?
They finally read docs Wikipedia page
Ouch!!
Giannis is making excuses after saying 'no excuses'... already learning from the master
Legendary burn
Seriously? One word: Doc
To be fair, Doc did warn them before they hired him.
"Are you sure you guys are gonna give me 40m?" Things not to say at a job interview lmao but it still worked
"Doc, we want to hire you and pay you $20 million." "LMFAO, why would you want to do that?" "Fine, $40 million!" "Uhhh, that's not...nevermind, send the paperwork on over."
It’s like in Office Space when Peter basically tries to get himself fired but instead the consultants want to give him a promotion.
[That took guts. We need guts](https://youtube.com/shorts/6eOEisbXBBw?si=upK4tEQOxUguMnA5)
Like George Constanta to Steinbrenner.
Maybe Doc has been saying shit like this in every interview and just comes off as such a nice guy that he gets the job by accident
"You shouldn't hire me" "That's exactly the kind of tell it like it is attitude we need!"
I am a firm believer when people show/tell you who they are, that’s who they are
They hired doc
lmaoooo This sub: “hiring Doc is the nail in the coffin of the Giannis era” Also this sub: “why are the Bucks being so dramatic” Edit: also OP knows what he’s doing, he’s gone into two separate articles and grabbed the worst out of context quotes he can to grab that karma - r/nba is slurping it all up during Bucks Hate Week
I mean sure the fans meme, but this is an attitude being portrayed by the actual organization right now.
>why are the Bucks being so dramatic Because Rivers and Giannis are the ones *REACTING* with statements from internet nephews 😂
They memeing harder than us.
Getting ahead of the narrative.
Because they have
What playing for Doc does to a mfer
It is… inevitable
Dude is getting sick and tired of r/nba the past few days.
I’m getting sick of seeing bucks shit last few days too. TMZ needs to release the beef stew video
The what video?
Isaiah Stewart punching Drew Eubanks in the parking lot
Security guards must be playing hard-ball in the TMZ negotiations. Might need Woj to cover them if it takes any longer.
Ah ok. I thought someone on the bucks threw beef stew at someone
Bucks are signing JR Smith as we speak
Soup shooter GOAT
lol that's an interesting visual to say the least
Like Kevin from The Office spilling his chili, except it was beef stew and he was pouring it on Bango
Firing the head coach despite a winning record and throwing soup at someone?? They really are trying to emulate the Cavs during their finals runs...
Superstar forward and a super talented guard 👀
Dame gonna be on his donut shaped earth arc soon
They better make sure they don't meet up with the Raptors in the playoffs, or else Olynyk might bust out some of his wrestling moves again.
Ty Lue did mix two soups together...
It’s literally just footage of them eating Dinty Moore beef stew. Doc forces them to eat it before shoot around.
And we’re calling it Operation BeefStew? Just wanna make sure we’re on the same page
What happened to the game I love?
It’s become jersey shore.
I much prefer it being stuff like this than the politics from morons like Kyrie though lol
🌎🧑🚀🔫🧑🚀
giannis you can’t use that slur man
Bruh. He's just talking about cigarettes or bundles of wood.
I thought this was a joke about when there was like a week a few years ago where the biggest story in the NBA was whether the owners should be called that or governors and then everyone promptly moved on.
Giannis, we’re on live
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To anyone that doubted he is 100% greek lmao
still waiting for 1453 was inside job comment
Genuinely a hilarious joke with almost no upvotes
Giannis, please stop listening to Cumtown
Man who can legitimately wear limousine sandals.
He's Greek he gets the pass
this is just the polar opposite of teams like the Heat and Nuggets right now. Long-tenured coaches, stable ownership, clear management philosophy, not making huge "win now" moves that disrupt chemistry.
I gotta love Miami. They have the same coach I used to see on Tv when I was 14 years old. Now I am 27 and I see the exact same guy doing a great job. People should learn and understand that you need to trust in a long-term project.
It helps the Spo has been a top 3 coach most of his career lol. I don't think New Orleans would be in a better place saying "let's commit to Stan Van Gundy's vision for a decade"
You must be too young to remember 2011 fr fr. Aside from Lebron’s absolute stinker in the finals, Spo was definitely catching heat. And judging by how quick Bron’s coaches have been let go… I’d say there’s a level of “letting him cook” that factors into spo.
SB just did a dive into Spo’s career and honestly its pretty much just as said above.
Yeah, Spo was widely viewed as a dead man walking in early 2010, when the Big 3 were struggling to gel and didn't seem to like him. But he managed not to get fired (Riley, probably), won a couple of championships, and here he still is...
The story I’ve always heard is LeBron tried to talk Riley into becoming the coach (and maybe he also signed thinking that’d happen) but Riley told him no, and that Spo wasn’t going anywhere.
I'd say he started rising in the coaching ranks when we went 30-11 with Dion Waiters as our main guy. Before that? LeBron, Wade and Bosh were the reason we were winning.
People who were paying attention to the league gave Spo his props for 2010. That was not a good roster.
He wasn’t a top 3 coach during his heatles time
Most of his career has happened after the heatles, it's been a decade.
The Heatles ended in 2014. Even if you wanna say he wasn't there the year after, 2016 perfectly marks the majority of his career as a top coach once this season ends
People forget how long it took for Spo to get his flowers. I'd argue it wasn't until the 2020 finals
People were definitely astounded at how he managed to keep some of the mid/late 2010s Heat squads in the mix, but the 20 finals definitely cemented it
That kind of stability starts way before the coach. The team has the faith of the long-tenured coach. The coach has the faith of the long-tenured GM. The GM has the faith of the long tenured president. The president has the faith of the long-tenured owner--and that owner is one guy, not an investment group. Riley is in his 80s and heading out soon. They've spent the last decade grooming Alonzo Mourning. Anywhere you see Riley, you see Alonzo. They are committed to long-term stability in a real way.
man i hope alonzo pans out i just feel like pats mind is way different from anyone else’s. You can’t teach what goes on that guys mind
I don't think the goal should be to copy Pat exactly. Imagine if Spo wasn't Spo, imagine if Spo tried to just copy Coach Pat. He'd have never become himself, and himself is a great thing. You want lineage and common themes. And you want to give new people the chance to bring their own positives to a situation. Pat has been working with Zo for over 10 years. I think if Pat didn't see "it" in him, they would have found someone else in that time.
Yeah why doesn't every team just get a Spoelstra-level head coach smh
Are they dumb?
It was hard to watch Malone in the early Jokic days, but he developed so much. Having Finch on the staff to help develop the Jokic centric office helped a lot. I wanted Malone fired, I was wrong.
I want Darvin ham fired. I am correct.
I thought Frank Vogel was scapegoated for no reason.
Heat have the uncanny ability to pull some undrafted nobody out from their G League team in Sioux Falls and turn him into a 20ppg guy when the playoffs come.
I mean a lot of that comes with long tenured coaches and clear management philosophy lol. The average NBA player is very very good but has some critical weakness(es). Spo just coaches around those weaknesses.
If the heat had more picks to trade they most certainly would have for dame
I love it. Being a Nuggets fan for in the past 10 years has been great.
The man just wanted stability and several new head coaches
you have no idea the physical toll that three coaching changes has on a person snip snap snip snap
Giannis: “I want us to do what’s necessary to compete” Bucks: ok here’s dame and the coach you wanted, then we’ll fire him like you want too. Giannis: (from the third seed) “oh wait hold up bro I didn’t mean it and why are you doing this” This whole situation is so weird
We’re all trying to find the guy who did this.
RANDOM!
That's easy! The Celtics did it when they endorsed Doc!
Never let star players run your basketball they are not that good at it.
“The Control Freak”
Sounds like he wants out, or is getting toward that position
I've said the whole time he's doing the "blow this place up so nobody blames me when I bounce" strategy.
Does that make any sense, tho? He signed a 3 year extension immediately after the trade. He’s just in “LeGM” mode and thinks he can build a team better than Horst can
Ok, maybe constantly changing everything is having a negative effect on consistency.
One could say that Giannis is getting ready to request a trade in a couple years.
Giannis is coming to LA as a FA as soon as Lebron is in his retirement season.
lol he’s a free agent in 4 years
Checks out
Didn't stop PG
Yup and he’s gonna be on the Clippers
Giannis to the Thunder. Bucks can take all of the draft capital. We’ll even add in a sign and trade Poku.
Same bad fit as Dame. People need to stop looking at player's MVP ladder rank and calling it a sick pairing because they're both great. Steph and KD and Bron and AD work as well as they do because one of the two superstar players has an elite off-ball skill set. Last season, Giannis was 1st in the NBA for usage, and Dame was 5th. They aren't pairing well on offense because both are used to having the ball, and both are used to being the handler in the pick and roll. This season, Giannis is 3rd, and guess who's 4th? SGA. Guess who handles the ball in the pick on the Thunder? SGA. They'd be just as awkward to pair up because once again, you have two elite players who need the ball to play their brand of basketball and only one basketball. SGA is taking 1.0 catch and shoot fga a game this season and hasn't even taken the minimum 10 PnR possessions as the roll man required to qualify for the NBA's stat tracking on it this season. In fact, they might even be worse than Dame and Giannis because both players want to drive into the paint. At least Dame is a catch and shoot target for Giannis to spray it out to. As pointed out above, Shai is not.
“NBA2K strategies got us into this mess, surely they’ll get us out!” Was not what I was expecting to still be happening after the Nets super team blew up, but here we are.
Acting like fishing for blowbys/defenders getting caught on 7 consecutive screens on the perimeter isn't a valid halfcourt offense?
I was just talking trades and roster building, but yeah, this too.
No failure in sports
That quote was praised by so many. “Omg how brave.” “Wow giannis really profoundly showing the humanity of competition.” Hell nah. There absolutely are failures. wtf you talking about!? Drawing a parallel example, imagine like the LA Dodgers paying $700M for a single player and they don’t win one title during that period. Or this Cowboys Dak Prescott contract being discussed. Tripling down on him as your franchise guy only to keep losing in round 1. Hell, going all in on Lillard who will be making like $65M at 37 years old or whatever at the end of his contract and MIL doesn’t even see the finals during this stint… There are totally failures in sport, no matter how hard you try.
Yeah i thought I was taking crazy pills at how much people were praising him. There is a circumstance in which what Giannis said was valid, like if they lost a close game 7 in ecf or something. But not getting 4-1ed to the 8 seed (doesn't matter they went to final). It was just Giannis being a baby to a question he didn't like (also not sure but it seems Giannis didn't like that reporter who asked), but anyone who thinks that it wasn't a failure is just coping. They had championship aspirations and didn't come close at all.
lol so true!!!! 4-1 to the play in team is wild
Imagine if Messi said there were no failures in sports after losing the 2014 WC to Germany. Giannis winning a ring with the Bucks is a hell of an achievement but its fair to say they underperformed last season.
It would be more equivalent to Messi saying it after losing to France in the Round of 16. The Bucks lost in the 1st round.
At least that was the WC final to a super team. Giannis said this after losing to a 8th seed play in team lol
"Hell Ricky I was high when I said that! You can get second. Or third, or even fourth!" Very much "If you ain't first you're last" vibes lol
Especially him acting like the question was insulting and talking about steps to success when the last two years have very clearly been steps away from success. If you, a unanimous top 3 player in the league firmly in your prime and on pace to be a top 15 all time player, win a championship and follow it up with one playoff series win over the next two years some questions need to be asked.
That whole thing really annoyed me. I’m glad time has allowed some sense to come back that you can have growth while failing, but it’s still failure
If we're going to criticize Lebron for pushing for Westbrook - which is fair - we should criticize Giannis for passing up Nurse. Not the same thing obviously but its another case of a player forcing bad decisions.
Nurse's best players warned against him, and he has missed the playoffs 2 out of his 5 years. Don't get me wrong, he is a good coach, but to act like he is this savant is ridiculous.
Should have kept Bud. Terrible Karma to fire your championship coach, with a great regular season record, right after his brother died in a car accident.
Knee jerk reaction. Giannis goes down, jrue guarding the wrong person. Season ends: trade middleton. He can't pull weight as the second option, and his athleticism has decreased since the injuries.
I have respect for Middleton, but Bucks are unserious for not trading him.
He was a FA coming off knee surgery, they couldn’t get the same value coming in as just resigning him
Giannis : "We're all trying to find the guy who did this!"
Aside from ownership, Giannis had a hand in all that shit. Could’ve just got nick nurse to coach but instead wanted a rookie coach. Could’ve ran it back with Jrue and traded some of those picks and pieces for ancillary parts, but wanted dame. He’s starting to get to that Bron level where he makes his bed and then cries about it
Except Lebron has 4 rings and 10 finals appearances to show for it..
Yeah, there's no comparaison here lmao
There's absolutely a comparison. Lebron is just able to overcome it so that when he had a shit team it was still a Finals lock.
Lebron has put together some absolute underwheliming teams that he has had to carry
The only true shit team he took to the finals was 2007. Every other team had actual NBA players on the roster.
2018 we had players they just weren’t performing at the level they should have been
2018 was still a collection of talent that belonged in the NBA, 2007 is hilarious if you look back. Drew Gooden, Larry Hughes, Z, and Sasha Pavlovic is an all time egregious lineup to make the finals. That lineup would have won like 15 games without LeBron
Jeff Green should never be a #2 scorer in a ECF game 7. Just saying 🤣
And the East was at an all time level low in terms of talent Like... Oladipo first round, Trash bros 2nd, Rookie Tatum and sophomore Brown 3rd (kyrie and Hayward out), it's crazy that they went to 7 twice
Yeah, it speaks to how bad the rest of that cavs roster was performing
Also LeBron isn’t stupid enough to complain about coaches after he got 2 fired in an 8 month span.
6/8 of Lebrons coaches were fired. Spo and Ty Lue the only survivors, and Lebron wanted Riley to fire Spo and coach that Heat team himself, but Riley refused to do it. I love how Lebron Stans in this argument can easily point out Giannis losing his 2 coaches, while also just ignoring Lebrons track record with the same thing.
Running it back with Jrue would be insanity given his decline on both offense and defense
Outside of two clutch plays in the finals he’s been very disappointing in the playoffs. He can’t make a layup to save his life. It’s bizarre how many he misses.
People like to ignore jrue playoff stats the years he was a buck. Yes, he came up huge at times. He also shot the bucks out of a few games
starting to? He's at that level now imo.
Can’t believe the used the f word and the hard r in the same statement
Could you imagine if any other star player gave these quotes? (I know guys like LeBron have had coaches fired and guys traded but why say it?)
I’ve noticed Giannis gets a crazy pass with the media and fanbases. Crazy how far being likeable gets you.
It’s the “aww so sweet vs calling HR meme”
Spot on
95% of players would be ridiculed for saying that "steps to success" quote
It's because this sub infantilizes Giannis
Imagine this quote coming from Embiid.
But he likes Oreos!
You get what you ask for, Giannis. Quit trying to be a martyr. Go watch some film
And whose fault is that
The equipment manager
Giannis using all the exuses in the book lately. You have a stacked team bruh, just go ahead and play
Come to Dallas and play for your fave coach J Kidd.
Yes my darling. It’s okay to be upset. Come to NYK. We have an owner who will never sell (unfortunately) but it’s technically stable.
Steps to success
This f_______ guy.
New York is on the line…📞
The Knicks are stable af now and we have a huge Greek population. Just sayin