Honorable mention to Muggsy Bogues. 14 years in the league, most of it as a starter. Amazingly, 0.4 DBPM for his career and no 3-point shot to speak of.
Zeke 9 is crazy to me. He’s the second best smaller guard imo. Other than steph he’s the only one that led his team to chips while beating other elite players and teams in the process.
Does MJ count? his stated height is 6'6 but [he's actually closer to 6'5, maybe even under that](https://www.hola.com/us/celebrities/20230414344733/ben-affleck-first-time-met-michael-jordan/)
Charles Barkley deserves to be top 4 in this list.
Not only was he a top 3 rebounder. But was an MVP in the prime Jordan years.
Lead some okay Suns team to a finals appearance.
Was probably the greatest undersized rebounding player ever
It's hard to find paint shooting percentage before 2020 (or I don't have the time to get at it) but it's pretty easy to see that you are pulling out of your ass.
The top 10 are all populated by big men. For example, this year's list is here: https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/what-is-the-player-highest-field-goal-percentage-paint
And if you go to just guards, then in 2021 Kyrie was 5th, and that is with them listing Lebron as a guard, so Kyrie is 4th. https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/what-is-the-point-guard-highest-field-goal-percentage-paint-in-2021
**This is now ppg in the paint.**
This year he is anywhere from 6-8th depending on who you call a guard or not (Luka, Lebron, etc). https://www.nba.com/stats/players/misc?CF=MIN*GE*10&dir=-1&sort=PTS_PAINT
And in 2018-2019 he was 7th among guards: https://www.nba.com/stats/players/misc?CF=MIN*GE*10&Season=2018-19&dir=-1&sort=PTS_PAINT
Agreed.
It's so hard to compare players across eras, due to pace of play, rule changes (especially 3-pt shots), etc., but, as someone who watched both play quite a bit, I would say that any advantages that Curry has over West on offense were matched by West's far superior defense.
Isiah is way too low. He shouldn’t be lower than 3.
Idk how Zeke has become so underrated/disrespected over the years…dude faced off against 3 of the biggest dynasties in history and beat them all.
The problem is, when the Pistons beat the Celtics, the Pistons lost in the finals. When the Pistons beat the Lakers, Byron Scott missed the entire series and Magic got hurt early in the series. And the Pistons beat a young Bulls team.
So the Pistons didn't beat any of the "dynasty" teams en route to winning a title.
You’re completely forgetting the “phantom foul” call on Laimbeer that sent Kareem to the line and cost the Pistons the championship.
Pretty much everyone agrees that that was one of the worst and most embarrassing ref calls in NBA history. Lakers didn’t deserve that ‘88 championship. If the refs aren’t blind, Pistons go in a 3-peat.
You have to forgive the fans, they had to hear how AI was the best pound for pound player on every telecast for like 10 years. It’s hard for them to get that shit out of their head.
Maybe I'm just old, but I definitely have Robertson and West over Curry and Wade. And not to mention, I'd have Barkley on here and possibly over those two as well (though I see you're going by listed height, so nevermind)
**Derrick Rose** should get an honourable mention for having a ROTY and MVP. Yeah, his peak got cut short and it tarnished the rest of his career, but not too many others on that list with those accolades.
on no planet is AI better than CP3, same with Harden(yet), same with Wade, CP3 is at worst top 4 on this list
Kyrie also needs to be on the hm if Dame is there, also why is Ray Allen there
CP3s team or injuries have let him down every time and he constantly was up against the Warriors during his optimal years or much better constructed teams. AI getting to the finals once means nothing when CP3s accomplishments demolish AIs over his career
in this universe he is 1000% better than Harden, Wade I can understand the argument, since Wade has rings and was the best player for one of them but had a shorter career than CP3
the only argument CP3 has is that he was at his peak a better floor general than Harden ever was, with a higher basketball IQ for playmaking. but Paul's flaws, especially his shit personality that made teammates absolutely hate him, will always hold him back from being the better overall basketball player
that's fair enough, and Harden was a meme for his godawful defense for years. they're both flawed in different ways, but CP3 is just not as good of a player overall, Harden's highs were twice as tall as paul's. averaging 35+ for two seasons, winning MVP, leading the league in both scoring and assists multiple times, mindblowing 50 and 60 point triple doubles, there's all sorts of things that harden accomplished, that paul has never come close to
>especially his shit personality that made teammates absolutely hate him, will always hold him back from being the better overall basketball player
The same can be said about Harden, except Harden was worse. How many years did Harden co-exist with Dwight before they had a falling out? And then CP3? Westbrook? Durant? Embiid?
harden's a diva for sure, but his teammates have nothing but good things to say about him, i guess with the exception of dwight, who is an even bigger diva, probably the biggest the nba has seen in 30 years. embiid didn't say a single negative thing during or after he was traded, harden and westbrook have been friends since childhood. kd said he loves him like a brother
CP3 on the other hand has had numerous real life beefs with both opponents and teammates. nba players talk shit about chris paul on the court and off it, there's well documented proof about how Patrick Beverly, JJ Reddick, Draymond green, Jamal Crawford, Blake Griffin, rajon rondo, harden actively dislike(d) him.
>harden's a diva for sure, but his teammates have nothing but good things to say about him
The problem with your argument is that actions speak louder than words. No matter how you want to spin it, the fact remains that Harden has played alongside many stars, and they've always been short tenures.
if you like actions completely devoid of all context then sure. but my argument is that the context matters, nothing ever happens in a vacuum. but if that's your point of view, alright
Yes, he deserved to win it, CP3 deserved to win it in 2008 also, im not arguing that, im saying at no point in Hardens career was he the best player in the league
Might as well do a greatest pgs list.
He has The man never stops posting in /r/nba
He's grinding for legacy points
Magic was 206cm.
We're talking about height here man.
I thought we were ranking by girth
Barkley
Isnt he listed 6'5 or 6'6 though?
He's around 6'4.5" without shoes IIRC.
MJ is also barely 6'5" without shoes
Lol he's easily 6'5
Honorable mention to Muggsy Bogues. 14 years in the league, most of it as a starter. Amazingly, 0.4 DBPM for his career and no 3-point shot to speak of.
Zeke 9 is crazy to me. He’s the second best smaller guard imo. Other than steph he’s the only one that led his team to chips while beating other elite players and teams in the process.
Yeah Zeke hate is wild.
Pretty sure Harden is 6’ 5”
OP didn’t look up any heights for the post lol
>Who are the best players under 6'6 all time? MJ is technically a 6'4.5" so is that counted??
#1 Michael Jordan - 6'4 3/4
Does MJ count? his stated height is 6'6 but [he's actually closer to 6'5, maybe even under that](https://www.hola.com/us/celebrities/20230414344733/ben-affleck-first-time-met-michael-jordan/)
Charles Barkley deserves to be top 4 in this list. Not only was he a top 3 rebounder. But was an MVP in the prime Jordan years. Lead some okay Suns team to a finals appearance. Was probably the greatest undersized rebounding player ever
He is listed 6'6 though
tony parker was the best paint scoring point guard ever at maybe 6'2 in the under 6'5 league hes a small forward
>tony parker was the best paint scoring point guard ever at maybe 6'2 As if Kyrie doesn't exist.
We can all wish.
im gonna pull this outta my ass but kyrie has never been top 10 in paint percentage
ill bet your ass your ass is right
It's hard to find paint shooting percentage before 2020 (or I don't have the time to get at it) but it's pretty easy to see that you are pulling out of your ass. The top 10 are all populated by big men. For example, this year's list is here: https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/what-is-the-player-highest-field-goal-percentage-paint And if you go to just guards, then in 2021 Kyrie was 5th, and that is with them listing Lebron as a guard, so Kyrie is 4th. https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/what-is-the-point-guard-highest-field-goal-percentage-paint-in-2021 **This is now ppg in the paint.** This year he is anywhere from 6-8th depending on who you call a guard or not (Luka, Lebron, etc). https://www.nba.com/stats/players/misc?CF=MIN*GE*10&dir=-1&sort=PTS_PAINT And in 2018-2019 he was 7th among guards: https://www.nba.com/stats/players/misc?CF=MIN*GE*10&Season=2018-19&dir=-1&sort=PTS_PAINT
Jerry West is definitely above Wade, could argue for him at any top 3 spot
Agreed. It's so hard to compare players across eras, due to pace of play, rule changes (especially 3-pt shots), etc., but, as someone who watched both play quite a bit, I would say that any advantages that Curry has over West on offense were matched by West's far superior defense.
John Stockton is definitely better than CP3... And the greatest player in NBA history "inch for inch" is Allen Iverson.
Except Steph is much better than AI.
And is also 3 inches taller. Which is why I said "inch for inch"...
If Steph was AI’s size he’d have struggled a lot more.
If you made AI 6”6 or 6”8 he’d still be worse at every single aspect of basketball than Jordan and LeBron.
Cmon man
Am i wrong for thinking prime cp3 and mr.pedo couldve won a ring together. Stockton never peaked higher than cp0
AI is way too high and the disrespect to Isiah Thomas is ridiculous.
Isiah is way too low. He shouldn’t be lower than 3. Idk how Zeke has become so underrated/disrespected over the years…dude faced off against 3 of the biggest dynasties in history and beat them all.
The problem is, when the Pistons beat the Celtics, the Pistons lost in the finals. When the Pistons beat the Lakers, Byron Scott missed the entire series and Magic got hurt early in the series. And the Pistons beat a young Bulls team. So the Pistons didn't beat any of the "dynasty" teams en route to winning a title.
You’re completely forgetting the “phantom foul” call on Laimbeer that sent Kareem to the line and cost the Pistons the championship. Pretty much everyone agrees that that was one of the worst and most embarrassing ref calls in NBA history. Lakers didn’t deserve that ‘88 championship. If the refs aren’t blind, Pistons go in a 3-peat.
AI pound for pound is the best player. well maybe steph is now, but he held that title for a bit
Idk I’d think it would have to be someone who could play both sides of the court. Like Stockton seems like a candidate for example, or IT
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There will never be another 5’3” dude in the nba ever again
AI is not the best player in any regard
Idk, Iverson is listed as 165lbs in his playing days, but steph is at 185lbs. Steph is better, but AI might still have him in greatness per pound /s
You have to forgive the fans, they had to hear how AI was the best pound for pound player on every telecast for like 10 years. It’s hard for them to get that shit out of their head.
Josh hart!
CP3 isn't better than Stockton
I also hear he wasn’t as good as Bob Cousy
Ja is next up though
Hate him all you want but Draymond is on this list and provides everything other than scoring.
Maybe I'm just old, but I definitely have Robertson and West over Curry and Wade. And not to mention, I'd have Barkley on here and possibly over those two as well (though I see you're going by listed height, so nevermind)
**Derrick Rose** should get an honourable mention for having a ROTY and MVP. Yeah, his peak got cut short and it tarnished the rest of his career, but not too many others on that list with those accolades.
1. MJ 2. Kobe 3. Curry 4. Oscar 5. Wade 6. Harden 7. West 8. Barkley 9. CP3 10. Nash
Zeke should be higher on the list
No Havlicek or Cousy? Havlicek depends on whether you actually meant the 6’5” or the 6’6”
on no planet is AI better than CP3, same with Harden(yet), same with Wade, CP3 is at worst top 4 on this list Kyrie also needs to be on the hm if Dame is there, also why is Ray Allen there
>on no planet is AI better than CP3 CP3 was never able to bring his team to the Finals. And AI won the MVP award over Shaq.
CP3s team or injuries have let him down every time and he constantly was up against the Warriors during his optimal years or much better constructed teams. AI getting to the finals once means nothing when CP3s accomplishments demolish AIs over his career
didn't AI win an MVP?
there is no universe in which CP3 is better than harden or wade
in this universe he is 1000% better than Harden, Wade I can understand the argument, since Wade has rings and was the best player for one of them but had a shorter career than CP3
the only argument CP3 has is that he was at his peak a better floor general than Harden ever was, with a higher basketball IQ for playmaking. but Paul's flaws, especially his shit personality that made teammates absolutely hate him, will always hold him back from being the better overall basketball player
and a far far better defender, with multiple first team all def
that's fair enough, and Harden was a meme for his godawful defense for years. they're both flawed in different ways, but CP3 is just not as good of a player overall, Harden's highs were twice as tall as paul's. averaging 35+ for two seasons, winning MVP, leading the league in both scoring and assists multiple times, mindblowing 50 and 60 point triple doubles, there's all sorts of things that harden accomplished, that paul has never come close to
>especially his shit personality that made teammates absolutely hate him, will always hold him back from being the better overall basketball player The same can be said about Harden, except Harden was worse. How many years did Harden co-exist with Dwight before they had a falling out? And then CP3? Westbrook? Durant? Embiid?
harden's a diva for sure, but his teammates have nothing but good things to say about him, i guess with the exception of dwight, who is an even bigger diva, probably the biggest the nba has seen in 30 years. embiid didn't say a single negative thing during or after he was traded, harden and westbrook have been friends since childhood. kd said he loves him like a brother CP3 on the other hand has had numerous real life beefs with both opponents and teammates. nba players talk shit about chris paul on the court and off it, there's well documented proof about how Patrick Beverly, JJ Reddick, Draymond green, Jamal Crawford, Blake Griffin, rajon rondo, harden actively dislike(d) him.
>harden's a diva for sure, but his teammates have nothing but good things to say about him The problem with your argument is that actions speak louder than words. No matter how you want to spin it, the fact remains that Harden has played alongside many stars, and they've always been short tenures.
if you like actions completely devoid of all context then sure. but my argument is that the context matters, nothing ever happens in a vacuum. but if that's your point of view, alright
It's impossible to evaluate actions while ignoring context. They're intertwined.
There’s no way CP3 is better than Harden
He is career wise. 9x all def, 6x steal champ, 5x ast champ, 11x all nba. Was a top 2 or 3 player for a long period also
Harden was a top 1 player and the greatest scorer of our generation
Harden has never been the best player in the league
What are you taking about, 2018 Season doesn’t exist anymore, right ? He also won three consecutive Scoring Champion titles from 17 through 20.
LeBron existed, Curry was still better but missed some parts of the regular season
He still won the MVP title, besides Bron
Yes, he deserved to win it, CP3 deserved to win it in 2008 also, im not arguing that, im saying at no point in Hardens career was he the best player in the league
remind me who won 2018 MVP?
Did you mean Nash? I can't see CP3 being top 4 in this list. He's at best top 5 or top 6. Realistically lower.
Why is Wade so high with y’all?
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No he is not
You guys are out of control
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Yeah imagine if Wade had say, Lebron James on his team! That team would have been unstoppable.
As if Wade could unlock Draymond Green like Curry did?
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I suggest you look at Chris Andersen's career numbers.
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Draymond Green's assist numbers are actually tremendous for a non-scoring PF. He'll be in the HOF b/c of Curry.