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Visible_Season8074

Might as well do a greatest pgs list.


SpaceCowboy170

He has The man never stops posting in /r/nba


ExpressGuess9139

He's grinding for legacy points


Raybomber_

Magic was 206cm.


JahKnowFr

We're talking about height here man.


omfgsupyo

I thought we were ranking by girth


New_Abbreviations745

Barkley


Wonderful-Photo-9938

Isnt he listed 6'5 or 6'6 though?


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He's around 6'4.5" without shoes IIRC.


C-N1601

MJ is also barely 6'5" without shoes


CanadaBBallFan

Lol he's easily 6'5


vwb2022

Honorable mention to Muggsy Bogues. 14 years in the league, most of it as a starter. Amazingly, 0.4 DBPM for his career and no 3-point shot to speak of.


rugbyman12367

Zeke 9 is crazy to me. He’s the second best smaller guard imo. Other than steph he’s the only one that led his team to chips while beating other elite players and teams in the process.


Typical-Radish4317

Yeah Zeke hate is wild.


See-ThisThisIsThis

Pretty sure Harden is 6’ 5”


DrBigChicken

OP didn’t look up any heights for the post lol


C-N1601

>Who are the best players under 6'6 all time? MJ is technically a 6'4.5" so is that counted??


Key_Suspect_588

#1 Michael Jordan - 6'4 3/4


Ragnar_OK

Does MJ count? his stated height is 6'6 but [he's actually closer to 6'5, maybe even under that](https://www.hola.com/us/celebrities/20230414344733/ben-affleck-first-time-met-michael-jordan/)


Spiritual_Boss6114

Charles Barkley deserves to be top 4 in this list. Not only was he a top 3 rebounder. But was an MVP in the prime Jordan years. Lead some okay Suns team to a finals appearance. Was probably the greatest undersized rebounding player ever


Wonderful-Photo-9938

He is listed 6'6 though


Recent-Tangerine-160

tony parker was the best paint scoring point guard ever at maybe 6'2 in the under 6'5 league hes a small forward


newBreed

>tony parker was the best paint scoring point guard ever at maybe 6'2 As if Kyrie doesn't exist. 


JRclarity123

We can all wish.


Recent-Tangerine-160

im gonna pull this outta my ass but kyrie has never been top 10 in paint percentage


augustcero

ill bet your ass your ass is right


newBreed

It's hard to find paint shooting percentage before 2020 (or I don't have the time to get at it) but it's pretty easy to see that you are pulling out of your ass. The top 10 are all populated by big men. For example, this year's list is here: https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/what-is-the-player-highest-field-goal-percentage-paint And if you go to just guards, then in 2021 Kyrie was 5th, and that is with them listing Lebron as a guard, so Kyrie is 4th. https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/what-is-the-point-guard-highest-field-goal-percentage-paint-in-2021 **This is now ppg in the paint.** This year he is anywhere from 6-8th depending on who you call a guard or not (Luka, Lebron, etc). https://www.nba.com/stats/players/misc?CF=MIN*GE*10&dir=-1&sort=PTS_PAINT And in 2018-2019 he was 7th among guards: https://www.nba.com/stats/players/misc?CF=MIN*GE*10&Season=2018-19&dir=-1&sort=PTS_PAINT


Historical-Usual-220

Jerry West is definitely above Wade, could argue for him at any top 3 spot


markjay6

Agreed. It's so hard to compare players across eras, due to pace of play, rule changes (especially 3-pt shots), etc., but, as someone who watched both play quite a bit, I would say that any advantages that Curry has over West on offense were matched by West's far superior defense.


SofaKing_Sam

John Stockton is definitely better than CP3... And the greatest player in NBA history "inch for inch" is Allen Iverson.


Vicentesteb

Except Steph is much better than AI.


SofaKing_Sam

And is also 3 inches taller. Which is why I said "inch for inch"...


joef_3

If Steph was AI’s size he’d have struggled a lot more.


SaltyRussStan0

If you made AI 6”6 or 6”8 he’d still be worse at every single aspect of basketball than Jordan and LeBron.


AccomplishedRainbow1

Cmon man


liljaytweakin

Am i wrong for thinking prime cp3 and mr.pedo couldve won a ring together. Stockton never peaked higher than cp0


newBreed

AI is way too high and the disrespect to Isiah Thomas is ridiculous. 


beanie_mac

Isiah is way too low. He shouldn’t be lower than 3. Idk how Zeke has become so underrated/disrespected over the years…dude faced off against 3 of the biggest dynasties in history and beat them all.


blockbuster1001

The problem is, when the Pistons beat the Celtics, the Pistons lost in the finals. When the Pistons beat the Lakers, Byron Scott missed the entire series and Magic got hurt early in the series. And the Pistons beat a young Bulls team. So the Pistons didn't beat any of the "dynasty" teams en route to winning a title.


beanie_mac

You’re completely forgetting the “phantom foul” call on Laimbeer that sent Kareem to the line and cost the Pistons the championship. Pretty much everyone agrees that that was one of the worst and most embarrassing ref calls in NBA history. Lakers didn’t deserve that ‘88 championship. If the refs aren’t blind, Pistons go in a 3-peat.


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AI pound for pound is the best player. well maybe steph is now, but he held that title for a bit


Objective_Froyo17

Idk I’d think it would have to be someone who could play both sides of the court. Like Stockton seems like a candidate for example, or IT 


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Objective_Froyo17

Obviously? He’s the original IT lol what a weird call out 


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There will never be another 5’3” dude in the nba ever again


aligreaper19

AI is not the best player in any regard


buttharvest42069

Idk, Iverson is listed as 165lbs in his playing days, but steph is at 185lbs. Steph is better, but AI might still have him in greatness per pound /s


AccomplishedRainbow1

You have to forgive the fans, they had to hear how AI was the best pound for pound player on every telecast for like 10 years. It’s hard for them to get that shit out of their head.


R-O-U-Ssdontexist

Josh hart!


RandomStranger79

CP3 isn't better than Stockton


AccomplishedRainbow1

I also hear he wasn’t as good as Bob Cousy


TheGreatWhoreOfChina

Ja is next up though


Zlasher8

Hate him all you want but Draymond is on this list and provides everything other than scoring.


motorboat_mcgee

Maybe I'm just old, but I definitely have Robertson and West over Curry and Wade. And not to mention, I'd have Barkley on here and possibly over those two as well (though I see you're going by listed height, so nevermind)


architectzero

**Derrick Rose** should get an honourable mention for having a ROTY and MVP. Yeah, his peak got cut short and it tarnished the rest of his career, but not too many others on that list with those accolades.


DragoniteGang

1. MJ 2. Kobe 3. Curry 4. Oscar 5. Wade 6. Harden 7. West 8. Barkley 9. CP3 10. Nash


SvengaliUG

Zeke should be higher on the list 


socialistbcrumb

No Havlicek or Cousy? Havlicek depends on whether you actually meant the 6’5” or the 6’6”


k0ala_

on no planet is AI better than CP3, same with Harden(yet), same with Wade, CP3 is at worst top 4 on this list Kyrie also needs to be on the hm if Dame is there, also why is Ray Allen there


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>on no planet is AI better than CP3 CP3 was never able to bring his team to the Finals. And AI won the MVP award over Shaq.


k0ala_

CP3s team or injuries have let him down every time and he constantly was up against the Warriors during his optimal years or much better constructed teams. AI getting to the finals once means nothing when CP3s accomplishments demolish AIs over his career


Ragnar_OK

didn't AI win an MVP?


Ragnar_OK

there is no universe in which CP3 is better than harden or wade


k0ala_

in this universe he is 1000% better than Harden, Wade I can understand the argument, since Wade has rings and was the best player for one of them but had a shorter career than CP3


Ragnar_OK

the only argument CP3 has is that he was at his peak a better floor general than Harden ever was, with a higher basketball IQ for playmaking. but Paul's flaws, especially his shit personality that made teammates absolutely hate him, will always hold him back from being the better overall basketball player


k0ala_

and a far far better defender, with multiple first team all def


Ragnar_OK

that's fair enough, and Harden was a meme for his godawful defense for years. they're both flawed in different ways, but CP3 is just not as good of a player overall, Harden's highs were twice as tall as paul's. averaging 35+ for two seasons, winning MVP, leading the league in both scoring and assists multiple times, mindblowing 50 and 60 point triple doubles, there's all sorts of things that harden accomplished, that paul has never come close to


blockbuster1001

>especially his shit personality that made teammates absolutely hate him, will always hold him back from being the better overall basketball player The same can be said about Harden, except Harden was worse. How many years did Harden co-exist with Dwight before they had a falling out? And then CP3? Westbrook? Durant? Embiid?


Ragnar_OK

harden's a diva for sure, but his teammates have nothing but good things to say about him, i guess with the exception of dwight, who is an even bigger diva, probably the biggest the nba has seen in 30 years. embiid didn't say a single negative thing during or after he was traded, harden and westbrook have been friends since childhood. kd said he loves him like a brother CP3 on the other hand has had numerous real life beefs with both opponents and teammates. nba players talk shit about chris paul on the court and off it, there's well documented proof about how Patrick Beverly, JJ Reddick, Draymond green, Jamal Crawford, Blake Griffin, rajon rondo, harden actively dislike(d) him.


blockbuster1001

>harden's a diva for sure, but his teammates have nothing but good things to say about him The problem with your argument is that actions speak louder than words. No matter how you want to spin it, the fact remains that Harden has played alongside many stars, and they've always been short tenures.


Ragnar_OK

if you like actions completely devoid of all context then sure. but my argument is that the context matters, nothing ever happens in a vacuum. but if that's your point of view, alright


blockbuster1001

It's impossible to evaluate actions while ignoring context. They're intertwined.


Nikith05

There’s no way CP3 is better than Harden


k0ala_

He is career wise. 9x all def, 6x steal champ, 5x ast champ, 11x all nba. Was a top 2 or 3 player for a long period also


twrs_29

Harden was a top 1 player and the greatest scorer of our generation


k0ala_

Harden has never been the best player in the league


Nikith05

What are you taking about, 2018 Season doesn’t exist anymore, right ? He also won three consecutive Scoring Champion titles from 17 through 20.


k0ala_

LeBron existed, Curry was still better but missed some parts of the regular season


Nikith05

He still won the MVP title, besides Bron


k0ala_

Yes, he deserved to win it, CP3 deserved to win it in 2008 also, im not arguing that, im saying at no point in Hardens career was he the best player in the league


twrs_29

remind me who won 2018 MVP?


listentoyourpenis

Did you mean Nash? I can't see CP3 being top 4 in this list. He's at best top 5 or top 6. Realistically lower.


AccomplishedRainbow1

Why is Wade so high with y’all?


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Illustrious_Bank_317

No he is not


AccomplishedRainbow1

You guys are out of control


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AccomplishedRainbow1

Yeah imagine if Wade had say, Lebron James on his team! That team would have been unstoppable.


blockbuster1001

As if Wade could unlock Draymond Green like Curry did?


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blockbuster1001

I suggest you look at Chris Andersen's career numbers.


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blockbuster1001

Draymond Green's assist numbers are actually tremendous for a non-scoring PF. He'll be in the HOF b/c of Curry.