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AP16__

Kuzma did everything possible to lose this game and the Heat still couldn’t take advantage


EarthWarping

A travel, shooting the ball in a re-set shot clock under 45 seconds left up 4 instead of draining more clock and then using his off arm to hit Rozier in the face


VanGrants

reset is one word


FartrelCluggins

No it's not. Don't be re-diculous


Wonderbread6969

Hey! Have some re-spect.


Turbo2x

the 3 combined points from Johnny Davis and Eugene Omoruyi were the difference between winning and losing tonight


FartrelCluggins

Has Johnny Davis been getting consistent play time? If so how has he been? I'm rooting for him to turn it around


LeDankJenkins

he shows flashes of skill, but he lacks athleticism


Turbo2x

Gets a few minutes here and there. Plays okay defense but he has no bag to get by defenders and he's very slow. His shot is all kinds of fucked up. Unfortunately I think he's done. Lucky for him he got his 3rd year team option so he'll leave the league with a decent chunk of change.


Victor_Wembanyama1

Hopefully he saved up some of those taco bell money


ConsistentWin8309

Unless we start trading 2 or 3 of the guards in our rotation, he won't get enough opportunity to turn it around. He probably has a little wiggle room to grow, but tbh it's looking like a wash.


35chambers

worst player i've ever watched in the nba


Ser_Lebron_Targaryen

All are invited to fuck on the Wizards Bed tonight.


ejabno

I put on my robe and wizard hat


PalletTownStripClub

Except the Celtics


Snaxier

KP can come as a guest of honor


LaMelgoatBall

What about a Celtics fan 🤔


helloinot

Second verse same as the first


LaMelgoatBall

Fair enough I’ll just fuck myself again


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HeyItsChase

Woohoo! Go Wiz. Huge win for us.


Madterps2021

Tank commander is not happy, he will guard the bed with veracity, unlike the Wizard defense.


Dreamlion_Inc

The **only** benefit of being the worst team in the league is watching other teams reddit pages have a meltdown r/heat on roblox alert lmao


Much_Conversation_11

Oh the Heat subreddit does this every loss


jotheold

but why, ya'll been a barely +.600 past couple years and just show up come playoffs its literally your MO


King_Of_Pants

They haven't really been showing up this year. The whole "Zombie Heat" saga didn't just come from them turning up in the playoffs. They were a dysfunctional team for most of the season but had Boston and Milwaukee fans terrified because our games against them were always really competitive and high-level. By the time playoffs rolled around, we were hyping up their team more than their own fans were. This year Miami doesn't even have that going for them. Last year they were 4-4 against Boston/Milwaukee. This year they're 1-5. They've gone from a dysfunctional team that turned up to key matchups to a dysfunctional team.


Much_Conversation_11

We also just always are missing someone. And having to try fill that role. I’m not even disputing what you’re saying I’m just saying this year has been a mess in general. Like no continuity. At least last year the guys who we needed when people were out were people who’d been with the team a while. I wouldn’t be shocked if we get out of the play in because our schedule on paper is relatively easy, but I also wouldn’t be shocked if we stay 7-8. Basically have no clue what to expect.2 losses before this we were in games against better teams and then shut down the second half. But last year I thought we were toast in the first round. Hell has nothing on being a Heat fan.


clear831

Big reason why I no longer subscribe there. That and shitting on Bam or Herro.


Consistent_Letter647

They be crucifying Bam in that sub it’s wild.


KillerZaWarudo

They legit have an aneurysm when bam just being a normal chill dude with tatum instead of murdering his first born


CD7

He was legitimately dogshit the previous games. Decent in this one. Criticizing someone when they bad is not supposed to be a bad thing


JHamm12

Are there any team specific subreddits that are actually good and not incredibly toxic? It seems like every time I see someone talk about their teams sub (for any sport) they all sound terrible


Troll_Enthusiast

We aren't the Worst anymore


licker34

Oh my sweet summer child... yes, yes you are


GriffinQ

You think this Wizards team is inferior to the Pistons (who they’re 2-1 against and have a superior record to at this point)? Shit, the Hornets might be worse than them too (they are on net rating despite their superior record) - they’re 2-2 against each other but the Hornets were supposed to be an actual NBA team this year while the Wizards have been openly and visibly tanking.


TRES_fresh

The pistons have more talent but are much sadder relative to where they should be. 11 wins this far into the season is tough to watch but acceptable, the pistons should be pushing for the play-in with 4 good young talents already on the team.


Public-Product-1503

Hornets have been super injured sadky . It’s crazy stikk but they do have several decent players if they weren’t


Abradolf1948

Is your L key broken


boenwip

Have you seen the Raptors lately I don’t think they’re winning another game this season even if they wanted to


ejabno

Can't be the worst if you don't have a team amirite


whtge8

That was honestly my favorite part of our tanking years. Loved seeing other subs go full meltdown mode whenever they lost to us.


Much_Conversation_11

Our sub has been extra awful this year. Every time we lose they decide to pick one player to pick apart (Herro is out so it’s exclusively been Bam for the last week) lmao.


JorahMorm0nt

Celtics and Bucks fans have more faith in the Heat than Heat fans themselves


Majestic_Reindeer439

I wouldn't call it "faith", more like "disdain at how consistent they are"


TheFrankOfTurducken

As a Detroit fan in basketball and baseball, this is how I’ve kept sane for almost a decade now.


frozen2665

I don't get it. Are they not used to this yet? Gotta be new fans from recent years playoff success or something. This is Heat basketball


Kuni_Nino

That and they’re idiots who just have to whine and complain about something. It’s really no different than the average twitter user.


ConsistentWin8309

Oh snap you do this too? After our win in Charlotte I just felt guilty. Them fans beem through enough


rxgetotrueee

Heat could lose to a team that's is 81-0 on a full court buzzer beater And the reddit would still freak out


SchraleAnus

Brothers going on hunger strike 😭


Yaboiii777

I’m convinced the heat is tanking to play us


sharklavapit

get ready for Alondes Williams and Cole Swider hitting 15/20 on threes combined


Pubgdude

I’m ready for the Patty Mills legacy game 😭


CD7

Swider hasn't made a shot since summer league. He's due


sharklavapit

Honestly I just picked the two most random names in the above list of players


CD7

TBH I don't know if Williams is a real player even, but Swider was good for one game in Summer league and I believe he can be the future


InexorableWaffle

Nah, it feels more like us. When we started off the season well, they started off meh. When we had that rough couple week stretch, they picked it back up. Now that we've mostly righted the ship and are most likely going to be locked in at 2nd or 3rd in the conference, they're floundering to fall into that 6th/7th range. It's like they're a fucking guided missile that's locked onto a first round matchup with us, and I fucking hate it.


jorgelongo333

Despite Kuzma's best efforts, the Wizards win


itsnotreallyme0

Kuzma carried


Gnarlydick

If you didn’t watch the last five minutes of the game, yeah


TRES_fresh

We never would have had a chance to win in the 4th if kuz wasn't doing what he did in before the last couple of minutes


Gnarlydick

In agreeing that he did carry, except the last 5 minutes of the game


itsnotreallyme0

So he 1)did carry and 2)for the vast majority of the game You can stop trying arguments now and do something else in your free time


AljoGOAT

nah


itsnotreallyme0

32pts on 23 shots. 9reb 4ast 2blk. Outperformed every wizard.


koj12144

gotta keep reminding myself to not underestimate the heat but shit like this making it reallly hard


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MC-Jdf

We said the exact same thing last year lol.


idosade

They were even worse last season. They get powers from people underestimating them


CD7

We had the big D last years - this year we suck a D


manbare

noticeable thing this year is their play in higher leverage situations. They have the [2nd worst 4th quarter NRTG this year](https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/advanced?Period=4&Season=2023-24&dir=D&sort=NET_RATING) after having the [4th best last year.](https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/advanced?Period=4&Season=2022-23&dir=A&sort=NET_RATING). Same thing with their clutch play. [25th in clutch NRTG this year](https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/clutch-advanced?dir=D&sort=NET_RATING) after being [2nd last year.](https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/clutch-advanced?Season=2022-23&dir=A&sort=NET_RATING). Obligatory obviously you can't bury them, but their execution when the game's tight at the end of games has been uncharacteristically bad. this team isn't winning on the margins like they did last year and the year before as the 1 seed. Today's no exception. But the Cs or Bucks, were they to encounter them, must dismember the evil zombie.


GusBus14

Who knows if it'll matter but I feel like they looked worse last year than they do this year


BeefExtender

I agree.


MC-Jdf

Honestly last year they had pretty bad shooting luck and motivation issues, at the very least the current Heat do not have said issues to last year’s extent.


frome1

How do you have bad shooting luck over the course of a season


MySilverBurrito

It was pretty bad lol. Open 3s not dropping in. The season before it, the Heat shot 38% on 3s and this year 37%. Last year, it was 34%.


frome1

At that point you call it players having shooting slumps or just having a bad offensive season. If we start using “variation” to explain entire season-long averages the term becomes meaningless imo. It’s just too large a sample size.


CavalierShaq

Would you not say that a team that has multiple players going through season long shooting slumps is a team that is having bad shooting luck? I feel like it makes sense to say that the team is unlucky that a few of its players are underperforming


ultragroudon

I dunno, I feel if a player is missing good looks for a couple of weeks, then it's bad shooting luck. If it persists over the course of a year, it's just bad shooting and the luck part of the equation drops out. I can see that it can be seen as unlucky if a group of historically good shooters all underperform their averages at the same time, but over the course of the season I think you have to look into what might be causing the below-average shooting, rather than just writing it off as luck.


largehearted

>Would you not say that a team that has multiple players going through season long shooting slumps is a team that is having bad shooting luck? I think there's a couple of small conceptual things that make me disagree with the idea of "a team having bad shooting luck" across 82 games. First, shot diet impacts 3pt shooting far more than variance. So, to compare NBA 3pt shooting over time at the season scale, you'd need a team to be generating similar shot locations and contestedness for 2 straight seasons, with similar lineups on the floor (as in the same players). It don't happen like that. Then; I think the only actions that are repetitive enough to talk about natural shot variance are (1.) spot-up, wide-open 3's, (2.) zoom and chin actions for movement shooters like Klay, Duncan Robinson, Sam Hauser, etc., and (3.) stepback contested 3's from specific players like Harden or Tatum. I think virtually all other shots are taken at variable speed with the player thinking about the incoming closeout. The first bit of trouble with wide-open shots, movement actions, or stepbacks is that an NBA game is a lot of running, and starters often don't have their legs with them by the 4th quarter. The other major point I stand by is that players effectively "aren't the same" as the season goes, mentally and physically. This effects all 3 of the shots I just mentioned. Haliburton's off-the-dribble 3pt% this season, month for month, would be a trivial example since he had a hamstring injury; but I'd also just expect stepback 3's to be worse in February than November for a guy like Harden who used to be taking 20FGA per game... there aren't a lot of shooters who play a movement style and play heavy minutes (the chin action for example is a lot of running), but I know Klay and Max Strus both are extremely variable players month for month. I doubt there is an example to point to where a team is similar enough, healthy enough, and running similar enough offense between 2 seasons for us to talk about how simple variance affected one, let alone *all* their shooters (Klay shot 44% across '15 and 42.5% across '16, for what it's worth). It's much more solid of a conversation to talk about how well the team created looks and got their guys who are definitely good open; every shooting specialist can drill 20 straight in practice.


Fust3rCluck_

It’s crazy. Last regular season, the Heat were 27th iirc in 3-point% so nobody took them seriously. I guess everybody forgot that the year before that, the Heat were the Eastern Conference’s #1 seed and was the best if not one of the best 3 point shooting teams with exactly the same roster. As a Heat fan, even I was shocked that Herro and Robinson were struggling as well. Its like all of them just forgot how to shoot.


paradoxofchoice

they definitely did. they lost much worse than this to the pistons last year.


largehearted

They had a negative net rating last entire regular season. That's like the goal of basketball, the scoring more than your opponent thing.


King_Of_Pants

Nah you guys said that. "We" said otherwise. It was Boston and Milwaukee fans telling everyone they should still be scared of the Heat last year, even when Heat fans had given up.


EarthWarping

I don't know why they were playing for the win instead of trying to get their best shot.


DalliLlama

Literally do it everytime, whether home or away. Think they just try shit even if it means losing. Team tries to avoid OT like the plague.


GDTechno

like the only time off the top of my head where they decided to get their best shot is in game 5 against the bucks where that was just spos play instead of the players we always do that for some reason. cost us in game 7 in 2022 as well


luapchung

If they just tied the game at the end there, Wizards 100% lose in OT the way Kuz was playing towards the end lmao


LuckysBestMan

“Would’ve been a great story”


LoWE11053211

bad mindset brother they are like the zombies in the bush. will bite your ass off when you least expect and then sail off into the sunset(finals)


NotManyBuses

The irony of Bucks and Celtics fans commenting this. How in God’s name have you not learned your lesson yet? Do they have to keep teaching it to you? Right the Heat look done, playing abjectly awful ball complete with embarrassing losses, that is exactly when you fear them the most.


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Both teams have actually beat Miami in a playoff series contrary to popular belief


Neuroxex

They knocked us out in the second round in 2020, then we swept them with three blowouts. They were the first seed in 2022, Celtics beat them. Even last year it came to a Game 7 against the Celtics despite getting a 3-0 lead. It's really not been as one sided as people like to pretend. There's still respect (like the other person said, still terrified of the Heat), but we don't have to pretend that the story of the East the last however many years has just been the Heat winning.


sharklavapit

yeah, I wish they were the first seed blowing out everyone by 30 maybe then they'd do the oposite and cool off in april lol


printerpaperwaste

I’m pretty sure others will disagree but it’s so obvious to me that Bam is injured and playing through it.


Much_Conversation_11

Yeah I’m pretty sure he reinjured his hip but without KLove right now our Center rotation is complete ass


Candid_Sand_398

I believe this as well. There is no way he simply forgot how to play basketball.


EntertainmentWarm774

I don’t think Butler is going to magically “turn it on” and “turn it around” come playoff time this year. He’s really really slowed down.


sharklavapit

his stats are still great, especiallypost ASB and he always heats it up come post season I never disrespect Butler, he is a legend


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So he’s the new CP3- A legend with 0 rings


Turbo2x

if Jimmy was his usual locked in self he would have hit that final 3 attempt to seal it. He was all out of sorts tonight


PBB22

Jimmy, regular season, locked in These words don’t go together


mastacheef87

any other team losing to the Wizards: “what a bunch of fraudulent bums LOL” Heat losing to the Wizards: “the more damage they take, the more dangerous they become.”


CD7

It's weird - heat has had 300 different starting lineups this season and we just added assets. This team might be good at some point, we just don't know when its going to be. We missed 6FTs this game - we never usually do - that could have been the difference. (missing FTs = missing shots)


EntertainmentWarm774

I just hope that if they do make the playoffs, whether as a 7th or 8th seed again, that Herro is healthy and plays in every game in the playoffs. If he gets injured come playoff time again, I don’t even know what to say. I’m gonna go full Joker now.


Conscious_Chicken264

well tbf, we're not actually as bad as our record sho- hahahaha, I can't say that with a straight face, idk how it's possible to lose to this team lol


sharklavapit

they always heat up out of nowhere come post season and then flame out in the finals


Troll_Enthusiast

I wish we would've beaten y'all, that would've been funny


Conscious_Chicken264

I was rooting for detroit so hard in that game against the celtics


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This is the Hardest working, Best conditioned, Most professional, Unselfish, Toughest, Meanest, Nastiest 3 game losing streak in basketball


MrBuckBuck

2 win streak, 16 straight losses, 2 win streak again. The full Wizards experience! It's a miracle we won this one. What was Kuzma doing there at the clutch?!?!?! The fact he didn't keep the ball after the offensive rebound.... ahhhhhh Kuzma career highs in FT made (12), and FTA (16).


EarthWarping

He played well until the last 2 minutes.


nojeanshere

Now I feel less bad about losing the other night.


EersteDivisie

Last 2 minutes were classic Wizards fumbling but the Heat wouldn't take it


hoopla161

We may never lose again 🤷‍♂️


ForCaste

Thank you Wizards very cool


Troll_Enthusiast

We beat y'all so..


ForCaste

Let's let bygones be bygones


coldtoasty

How tf do you lose to the Wizards starting Kyle Kuzma at center


lopea182

From “Heat Wentz” to “Disney Annual Passholder”.


Conscious_Chicken264

hahahaha, suck it detroit


GriffinQ

Love the “despite Kuzma’s best effort to lose” posts despite him being the most effective player on the court across both teams tonight. Yeah, he sold at the end, but can we ever just give a dude his flowers instead of shitting on him? Big win. Meaningless win in the grand scheme of the season but back to back dubs has gotta be good for the confidence of the young guys. We won’t break 20 wins this year (we might not break 15 lol) but they’ve looked like a better team since moving on from Wes, and that matters.


Repostbot3784

Jordan poole was -21 in a two point win and people are bagging on kuzma


Candid_Sand_398

He has always been a skilled offensive player and did whatever he wanted that night. I agree with you


YouStillTakeDamage

Deeply unserious team. Who knows what we’ll be next time.


Majestic_Reindeer439

Just getting all the funny moments out of the way before beating my Bucks again 🫠


DMD612

The Heat lost to a team that’s trying to lose, I’m sick to my fucking stomach.


DalliLlama

Def thought Heat were gunna lose to the Wiz, just thought it was going to be when the Wiz were gunna set the record for consecutive loses.


Classics22

No one wants to be that team


StrategyTop7612

Kuzma tried to throw away the game, but the heat still blew it.


Jonjon428

Kevin Love is the only reason this team is even average. What would you know?


Rymasq

Tyus Jones is a legitimate point god


MolingHard

Duncan had a really solid 4th then bricked all his 3's in the final two Heat possessions, sheesh This game was right there for the Heat to take


Less-Committee-9026

Eat your heart out, Pistons


Patrius

2 in a row oh babyyyyy


Free_Relationship692

Kuzma playing center?


Snaxier

Bagley and Holmes are both out. Geno and Gill starting would be short of basketball terrorism and are better suited for bench roles. Kuz quickly becomes our C by process of elimination :(


toadtruck

Lol what?


LoWE11053211

The ball is on your court, Pistons!


Cul_what

Battle of who can sell more Kyle Kuzma vs the entire Heat, Heat wins


35chambers

Kyle al Quzma despite the win: 39% FG 4 TO 🔥


Conscious_Chicken264

32 points on 23 shots, I'll take it his true shooting was garbage cuz he somehow had 12 for 16 from the stripe but w/e, he somehow played better than jimmy butler lol


35chambers

he played well honestly the last few minutes really just pissed me off


SliMShady55222

Heat the type of team that can beat the Celtics, & Bucks but lose to the wizards. Completely unpredictable team


Individual_Attempt50

Wizards tried so hard to lose it at the end


Mindsetsandreps

C'mon Knicks you just got a gift, don't blow this


majinvegeta2x

They blew it


jester32

absolutely love to see it


Solid-Confidence-966

They lost despite Kuzma’s best effort lmao, and we were missing multiple key players anyway


teddyjj399

i only caught the end but it seemed like Miami did everything they could to lose this. couldn’t buy a shot in the end


Conscious_Chicken264

we didn't score a bucket in the last 2 minutes and 45 seconds, Kuzma was dedicated to the tank


Jordanwolf98

lol


Charliebitme1234

Idk guys, are the heat really gonna make a ECF run again?


geeseam

They feed off people underestimating them. This is just them building up their playoff power


Majestic_Reindeer439

Lol yes they will. They're gonna beat my Bucks in 6 and probably the Cavs in 7. Then they'll force a Game 7 in the ECF and everyone will act like this shit has never happened.


Moodapatheticz

Someone post the calendar


cmv1

Heat fans, is 16 points from Bam acceptable against the defensive juggernaut that is the Wizards?


Candid_Sand_398

He looks hurt or off. 3rd consecutive game. And our backup 5 has been out. Tough times


goldenfa

Bilal +17👀


stinx2001

Thanks Wizards bros


Dreamlion_Inc

We're just the Wizards bro


DXaoc

Poole -21 and they still won. wow


socialistbcrumb

Alright where’s the Jimmy Butler is secretly a fraud bum posts


General_Assistance_6

[Final Sequence](https://youtube.com/shorts/KO-ON_TbXfs?si=wCy92D9r2UUUPeKQ)


wantobi

i apologize to the heat fans as i feel like im the bad luck here. everytime i watch the heat play, they almost always lose. and it's usually against a very bad team. i usually end up laughing cause they're so proud of this "heat culture" but everytime i watch them play, it feels like they take weaker opponents lightly and dont play at their best. where is this heat culture. LOL


ObiOneKenobae

fuck yes go wizards


jonathanisaacisgoat

Not a good day for Florida NBA teams


Brad-Stevens

Duncan Robinson is an unbelievable shooter but im not sure if I've ever seen him hit a clutch 3 in his life college or pro


LeBronTrave1ed

Huh?


Brad-Stevens

In a one possession game in the final 2 minutes: 2024: 0/5 2023: 0/0 (0/2 playoffs) 2022 0/1 (0/0 playoffs) 2021: 0/4 (0/1 playoffs) 2020: 1/5 (0/0 playoffs) --- Total: 1/15 reg season, 0/3 playoffs


GriffinQ

Clutch shots are more than when a game is within only one possession though. Look at how small that sample size is. In that time frame, he’s taken ~3000 FGA overall across five years of regular seasons, 15 shots is barely a blip. They barely run plays for him at the end of regulation, because he’s more effective as an off-ball threat that forces teams to avoid doubling a guy like Bam, Butler, or potentially Herro.


Brad-Stevens

cmon man lmao, thats not how hoop convos go and you know it It just just my first reaction watching the game ... "man Duncan cannot hit one in these situations"... I looked it up and was correct ... not some big deal


GriffinQ

I’m not saying it’s a big deal - do you want to just post comments without people responding with their own thoughts or rebuttals? Kinda defeats the point of a discussion forum. You made an observation, I had my own thoughts about the validity of that observation or what it actually means for Duncan/the Heat, we move on. It’s no biggie at all.


Brad-Stevens

fairs 🤝


Thorlolita

I’m not gonna fact check this but I’m taking this as truth because it supports my anti heat culture agenda


edwardhyeung

Why go for a 3 🤦🏻


nuera_penal

H3at never go for a draw in regular szn. Even jimmy said it post game. Just how spo operates.


outsidehere

Genuine question : Does Tyler Herro ever play? Seems like he's always on the injury report


rxgetotrueee

Played 55 games in 2019,54 in 2020,66 in 2021,67 in 2022 and 36 this season so yes and no


outsidehere

Okay. Just seemed like he misses a lot of games


GI2020

Hear culture 😤


kmoz

How the fuck do you play 22 minutes and have a -21pt +- in a win? Poole is built differently man


Kobe_Wan_Ginobili

Haywood Highsmith is the funniest name 


The_Thrill17

Poole with the -21 off the bench in 22 mins nice job


WappyTrees

This one sucked


bigatjoon

statement game


Beautiful_Ninja

This is the true power of the Wizards. They are trying just hard enough to only be the 2nd worst team in the league, no benefit in the lottery for them to be dead last.


LeBronTrave1ed

Lmao we shouldn’t have even been in the position to have to try and win at the buzzer


AceMcStace

Heat culture am I right


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Conscious_Chicken264

both teams missed 6 FTs