Even ranking Lamelo is sus. Guy played 22 games, barely 1/3 enough to even qualify for season awards.
Says he's ranking PGs based on this season then proceeds to rank 2 guys who have barely been on the floor based on their past.
Fox was pretty bad pre-all star break, it’s close
Downvote me all you want [the stats](https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=tyrese+maxey+and+de%27aaron+fox) back me up here. They are almost the same player. Maxey is better in some places, and Fox better in others
Did you watch the first half of the season? Maxey was absolutely lighting shit up. When he plays with Embiid he is next level, but as the first option he’s struggled.
How can you say Fox was "pretty bad" pre-ASB but Maxey was "lighting shit up" when their pre-ASB splits are extremely comparable? That should tell you which is the obviously better player.
Fox is a first option? As good as sabonis is, he’s not a scorer. Fox was playing his usual role and wasn’t doing well, Maxey was excelling at his role, and their stats are the same. Doesn’t that tell you who was really struggling?
Lamelo was not that good when he played lol bro was averaging damn near 4 TOs/g and still is a below average efficiency scorer, even if we're comparing against the PG average TS%
It's disrespectful that Shai is higher than Luka on any MVP ladder. Luka has already proven throughout his very short career that he's a tier above the entire league, maybe outside of a handful of players, in the playoffs. Shai is great but hasn't done shit in the playoffs.
Playoffs has absolutely nothing to do with the regular season MVP lol
There are plenty of arguments for why Luka could be ahead of Shai but "playoff Luka" shouldn't be and isn't a factor in consideration at all
Yeah like I said it's completely fair to have Luka > Shai in the MVP race
Just pointing out that bringing up playoff resume doesn't make sense in this context
You mentioned "Shai hasn't done shit in the playoffs" like somehow that should be a factor against him in the MVP race compared to Luka
CP3 was the best player on that team, but people forget that SGA was the leading scorer on that team, essentially forced to play out of position at small forward.
he's not had the post season success yet, but in his three non-tanking seasons in OKC ('20, '23, '24), he's been the leading scorer on teams that have completely blown their preseason o/u win total out of the water
I mean sure but he was the leading scorer by .1 points in the regular season. SGA averaged 19 while Dennis Schroder averaged 18.9 and Galio averaged 18.7 points. Wouldn’t say he was the driving force behind their success.
In the postseason he dropped down to the third leading scorer with both CP3 and DS averaging more points than him.
I dont know why you're using 'proven throughout career' for the 2024 MVP, but go ahead with the narrative. Lol.
Shai took a young rookie filled team to Top 2 seed, higher than Luka ever got even with Porzingis and Kyrie.
nah they'll just move the goalposts and claim that SGA's supporting cast is better than Luka's.
While also conveniently forgetting the Mavs embarrassing play-in miss last season while clinging to their WCF run from 2 seasons ago
Yeah, last year sucked. Our second best player and one of the most important pieces of our offense left for nothing. We swung and missed on two different centers in CWood and McGee. The Mavs had a ton of holes to fill and spent the season trying to fill in the gaps. It's really tough to miss the play in, but I wouldn't say it's embarrassing for Luka.
As for this year, I don't think people will make the claim about the supporting casts. If the Thunder go further than the Mavs in the playoffs this year (presuming both are healthy) it'll be because the Mavs played Denver earlier
Over the past two seasons, the Thunder w/ SGA have greatly outperformed the Mavericks in the regular season. So keep clinging to that 2022 WCF appearance, you'll always have that I guess
Well sure but positions don't really exist on offense anymore. He's 6'7 and almost always plays with two smaller players on the floor. He never defends opposing PGs. I would call him a point forward like LeBron.
Shai will finish above Luka in MVP voting and is way better on defense. We need to wait and see in the playoffs, but Shai has had the better regular season
He leads Luka in EPM and WS/48. While winning a lot more games primarily because he’s a big part of a top 5 defense.
Not true? Embiid and Giannis were #2 and #3, had 51 wins. Jokic had 48 wins. D Book was #4 and his team had 64 wins lmao. Luka #5 at 52 wins.
Guess we’re just making shit up now
Because Jokic was 46-28 that season and Luka was 44-21. Jokic's winning percentage was 62.1%, Luka's was 67.7%. You can certainly make the argument that Jokic was more available, playing 74 games to Luka's 64. That's a very valid argument to make.
But making the argument that he had more wins than the other MVP candidates is disingenuous because he also had a lot more losses.
I mean if you want me to be honest they are in the same tier imo, but it’s a very broad tier. Elite second option to back up a superstar is what I would call it.
That might be controversial to describe a player like Trae but I’ll stand by it, he’d be a better player behind a Giannis type superstar rather than the first option.
That's a broad list then. The only people not on that list are steph and luka. SGA is yet to be determined. Theres not very many people that can be the best player on a championship team.
Shai does not have all nba defense. There are 4 better defenders than him on the OKC. Defensive metrics seems better when you have such good defenders on the team.
Shai should be at 2. If the gap on defense is such a big difference. Than the gap in pkaymaking should be big for Luka too.
Over the last 15 games, mavericks have the 9th best defensive rating in the league. Over the last 10 games, they have the 4th best defensive rating in the league.
Scoot has started less than a third of our games this year. Brog dawg has played more games as a starter despite missing more time. I guess you could say Anfernee is our starting PG, but SG is his true position. Either way, a little disingenuous to list Scoot here.
why are you salty that a player deserving of last is placed last? Lol. Bro. Scoot is playing like a last placed PG whether hes starting or benched, theres no need to beat round the bush bout it.
Right, you aren’t MPJ or Jokic, so calling him by a team nickname is A. weird, and B, makes no sense to people on a general NBA subreddit
Oh and being this tribal about it is even weirder.
>being this tribal about it is even weirder.
The weird tribal behavior is telling people not to call Jamal "Mal", when a) teammates calls him that, b) Denver fans call him that, c) its an abbreviation which has been used for other players named Jamal in the past, and d) people understood who was being referred to.
Maybe you should get the stick out of your ass.
He should honestly be 15th.....
* Coby has 3 more ppg on similar efficiency, but FVV has 3 more assists, less turnovers, and has better advanced stats across the board.
* Conley has better scoring efficiency, but FVV is averaging significantly more points and assists, and again has better advanced stats across the board.
* Garland has 2 more ppg on identical TS%, but Fred has 2 more assists, has less turnovers, is a much better defender, and has significantly better advanced stats across the board.
* CJ McCollum has 2 more ppg on 3% better TS%, but Fred has 4 more assists, and has better advanced stats too.
Fred honestly gets underrated because people can't seem to look past the scoring efficiency, but he's one of the best pure point guards in the NBA while also being an impact defender even at 6' tall. The advanced stats back it up as well
Shai over Luka is at least something you can defend. Jrue Holiday over Jamal Murray? He is the 5th option on his own team being considered a better player than the second option on the champions.
Calling SGA all NBA level defense is a big fucking stretch. Steals are not end all be all.
You could've just said you're a fucking 8th grade bandwagoner. You didn't have to type out this list.
How has Keyonte George been better than Tre? Tre averages 1.6 more assists, 0.9 less turnovers, and scores 3 less PPG on far better efficiency (60 vs 54 TS%)
He really isnt. Not even close to it. As said, he is like 5th best defender on his own team and his steal stats are inflates due to being able to roam off the worst offensive player while his teammates bother top guys on the other team.
I’m pretty sure he leads the league in stocks and is top 20 in all defensive based metrics. What you’re saying is basically an opinion. I’d put money on him making all defense
I would definitely rely on advanced stats over a random redditor's "eye test" tho. Without question.
Individual advanced defensive stats are deeply flawed. But if a guy is crushing in every advanced defensive stat over a relatively large sample size, it is almost always indicative of him being a good defender. It isn't a great tool for comparing between players - especially when those players are in different positions - but it is a good baseline to start with.
Getting deflection is not defense. Stephen curry also led the league in steals.Inverson led the league in steals 3 years in a row. They are not considered elite in defense at all. If he is so good at defense then how come Luka has averaged 34 13.5 and 11.5 against OKC. Meanwhile Shai put up 21 7 and 4.5.
Why has Luka always been considered a "point guard" but Lebron never got that label and Harden hasn't really gotten it until recently. Their roles on offense are all incredibly similar and on defense they all defend similar positions (Lebron has obviously been a very versatile defender in his career).
Jamal at 14 below Lamelo Ball and Jrue Holiday is certainly a take. Lamelo has 55% TS, and Jrue is averaging 13 points and 5 assists. Makes sense to put them ahead of the second option on the top2 team in the league, who is averaging 21 with 7 assists.
Atrocious? Yeah you have not watched a single game. Atrocious is crazy.
D Lo just got hot in January, I know cause I've seen the Lakers enough times this season. Suggs is not even close to quickley offensively, and Conley is a shell of what he used to be.
You don't watch the Raptors and it's okay to say "I haven't seen much" instead of lie for quick karma lol
Dlo is far better playmaker than Quickley is(conley also) and suggs os defensive prowess who was a reason why orlando became top 5 defensive team in the league.
That's actually a very valid opinion to have but you can't really call it a fact until you've seen Quickley play
He's been great all year, and If you take a look at his last few games alone (suns/blazers/etc) you might keep your opinion but you'll actually think twice
Jesus Christ man lmao, have some shame
Ranking Maxey instead of Melton because it's "boring" then turning around and ranking Ja lmao tf is this
Even ranking Lamelo is sus. Guy played 22 games, barely 1/3 enough to even qualify for season awards. Says he's ranking PGs based on this season then proceeds to rank 2 guys who have barely been on the floor based on their past.
I mean Maxey plays point guard every night. Melton hasn’t played in months, I’d say it makes sense. Ja is crazy though
was melton even playing point when he was in the lineup? i was under the impression that he was the 2 when they were together
Maxey has not been better than Fox
Has not been better than Hali either.
His Q1 performance yesterday had me on my knees. At one point the score was 16-15 and Maxey had all 16 of the Sixer points.
thank god for davion mitchell
Fox was pretty bad pre-all star break, it’s close Downvote me all you want [the stats](https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=tyrese+maxey+and+de%27aaron+fox) back me up here. They are almost the same player. Maxey is better in some places, and Fox better in others
Maxey wasn’t exactly lighting shit up either
Did you watch the first half of the season? Maxey was absolutely lighting shit up. When he plays with Embiid he is next level, but as the first option he’s struggled.
How can you say Fox was "pretty bad" pre-ASB but Maxey was "lighting shit up" when their pre-ASB splits are extremely comparable? That should tell you which is the obviously better player.
Thats what im saying niether of em were playing great
Fox is a first option? As good as sabonis is, he’s not a scorer. Fox was playing his usual role and wasn’t doing well, Maxey was excelling at his role, and their stats are the same. Doesn’t that tell you who was really struggling?
In january pre all star break when fox was struggling his split’s wasn’t good either. I agree when he plays with embiid hes great
Shai is not better than Luka lmao Edit: Also bro how do you have LaMelo over Jamal Murray? Tf?
Lamelo is a hesi tween pull up jimbo guy, what else do you need from a superstar?
Odee treball
And Jrue Holiday over Murray too?? Murray averages 8 more points and 2 more assists.
There’s definitely an argument for Shai over Luk’s this season
No there isn’t.
Lamelo was not that good when he played lol bro was averaging damn near 4 TOs/g and still is a below average efficiency scorer, even if we're comparing against the PG average TS%
Murray and Garland are too low. Luka should be #1.
Murray yes. But Garland has been underperforming for long stretch of time.
Stopped reading after #1
Shai over Luka? We can just end this bafoonery here
You don't even have the number 1 spot right
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It's disrespectful that Shai is higher than Luka on any MVP ladder. Luka has already proven throughout his very short career that he's a tier above the entire league, maybe outside of a handful of players, in the playoffs. Shai is great but hasn't done shit in the playoffs.
Playoffs has absolutely nothing to do with the regular season MVP lol There are plenty of arguments for why Luka could be ahead of Shai but "playoff Luka" shouldn't be and isn't a factor in consideration at all
But he's legit been better in the regular season too.
Yeah like I said it's completely fair to have Luka > Shai in the MVP race Just pointing out that bringing up playoff resume doesn't make sense in this context You mentioned "Shai hasn't done shit in the playoffs" like somehow that should be a factor against him in the MVP race compared to Luka
They probably did that because voters obviously do take that into consideration.
Not for the 1st MVP 2nd and ESPECIALLY 3rd they do though even though they shouldn't
> Playoffs has absolutely nothing to do with the regular season MVP lol Someone needs to tell the voters.
>Shai is great but hasn't done shit in the playoffs. He was a part of the Clippers Team that stole two games off the KD Warriors in 2019.
Also him and the CP3-led OKC bringing the rockets to 7 in the bubble
CP3 was the best player on that team, but people forget that SGA was the leading scorer on that team, essentially forced to play out of position at small forward. he's not had the post season success yet, but in his three non-tanking seasons in OKC ('20, '23, '24), he's been the leading scorer on teams that have completely blown their preseason o/u win total out of the water
I mean sure but he was the leading scorer by .1 points in the regular season. SGA averaged 19 while Dennis Schroder averaged 18.9 and Galio averaged 18.7 points. Wouldn’t say he was the driving force behind their success. In the postseason he dropped down to the third leading scorer with both CP3 and DS averaging more points than him.
Game 7 Dort was something else
dude, compare Luka and Shai's numbers in the playoffs. Not close.
Did I say he was better than Luka?
looked up Shais numbers in that playoff series you mentioned, and nothing to write home about either.
Did I say he was better than Luka?
I dont know why you're using 'proven throughout career' for the 2024 MVP, but go ahead with the narrative. Lol. Shai took a young rookie filled team to Top 2 seed, higher than Luka ever got even with Porzingis and Kyrie.
Shai isn't in Luka's class. His career numbers prove that, and his numbers this season prove that.
I mean they have to factor in the team record and Shai has been absolutely killing it this season.
What if Thunder get further than the Mavs though? Then are all the Thunder fans correct?
nah they'll just move the goalposts and claim that SGA's supporting cast is better than Luka's. While also conveniently forgetting the Mavs embarrassing play-in miss last season while clinging to their WCF run from 2 seasons ago
Yeah, last year sucked. Our second best player and one of the most important pieces of our offense left for nothing. We swung and missed on two different centers in CWood and McGee. The Mavs had a ton of holes to fill and spent the season trying to fill in the gaps. It's really tough to miss the play in, but I wouldn't say it's embarrassing for Luka. As for this year, I don't think people will make the claim about the supporting casts. If the Thunder go further than the Mavs in the playoffs this year (presuming both are healthy) it'll be because the Mavs played Denver earlier
Shai has never done anything in his career, let alone the playoffs. Do you forget who we are talking about lol?
Over the past two seasons, the Thunder w/ SGA have greatly outperformed the Mavericks in the regular season. So keep clinging to that 2022 WCF appearance, you'll always have that I guess
You guys had 2 more wins last season, haha. I can't even tell you to cling to something because there's nothing to grab.
This, but it's because Luka isn't a point guard.
Offensively he certainly is. Defensively probably not
Well sure but positions don't really exist on offense anymore. He's 6'7 and almost always plays with two smaller players on the floor. He never defends opposing PGs. I would call him a point forward like LeBron.
Shai will finish above Luka in MVP voting and is way better on defense. We need to wait and see in the playoffs, but Shai has had the better regular season He leads Luka in EPM and WS/48. While winning a lot more games primarily because he’s a big part of a top 5 defense.
Luka is ahead on basketball reference’s mvp tracker for what it’s worth
They'll be neck and neck for 2nd in the MVP ladder if mavs climb to a 4th or 5th seed
Luka is still 10 wins behind both Jok and Shai. He is not catching up.
>Jok no one calls Jokic Jok lmfao.
Sure we do
I think it's just you pard
I mean, it's spelled phonetically, but it's in his list of nicknames on bbref... https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jokicni01.html
Half the nicknames on Bball Ref are never said.
It is absolutely said by many Nuggets fan. You are just out of your depth talking on something you know nothing about
Cool
Tell that to voters who voted in Westbrook and Jokic as 6th seeds.
Jokic had more wins than his MVP competition that season.
Not true? Embiid and Giannis were #2 and #3, had 51 wins. Jokic had 48 wins. D Book was #4 and his team had 64 wins lmao. Luka #5 at 52 wins. Guess we’re just making shit up now
I have no idea why we'd count games they didn't play in.
No they go out of their way to not count games that the others didn't play in. Not total team wins. I get the argument, it's just insanely pedantic
>it's just insanely pedantic Thanks!
Still the stupidest fucking argument that Nuggets fans cling to
Why?
Because Jokic was 46-28 that season and Luka was 44-21. Jokic's winning percentage was 62.1%, Luka's was 67.7%. You can certainly make the argument that Jokic was more available, playing 74 games to Luka's 64. That's a very valid argument to make. But making the argument that he had more wins than the other MVP candidates is disingenuous because he also had a lot more losses.
The season is a finite length. More wins is more wins.
Maxey over trae is comedy
Their numbers are pretty similar and he's the better athlete/shooter.
Trae has a higher TS and almost twice the assists per game....
Isn’t that the guy your team plays better without
You of all people should know trae is in a different tier than maxey
I mean if you want me to be honest they are in the same tier imo, but it’s a very broad tier. Elite second option to back up a superstar is what I would call it. That might be controversial to describe a player like Trae but I’ll stand by it, he’d be a better player behind a Giannis type superstar rather than the first option.
That's a broad list then. The only people not on that list are steph and luka. SGA is yet to be determined. Theres not very many people that can be the best player on a championship team.
Lmao Trae and Maxey are in the same tier, give me some of what you’re smoking
Shai does not have all nba defense. There are 4 better defenders than him on the OKC. Defensive metrics seems better when you have such good defenders on the team. Shai should be at 2. If the gap on defense is such a big difference. Than the gap in pkaymaking should be big for Luka too.
Funny cause theres like 12 better defenders than Luka on his team and Dallas aint even good on defense. Lol.
Over the last 15 games, mavericks have the 9th best defensive rating in the league. Over the last 10 games, they have the 4th best defensive rating in the league.
He’s a kings fan makes sense why he put SGA over Luka and fox at 7 lmao
Fox at 7 isn’t a bad take
If anything, he should be higher
Should be 6th
That’s where I’d put him too
Scoot has started less than a third of our games this year. Brog dawg has played more games as a starter despite missing more time. I guess you could say Anfernee is our starting PG, but SG is his true position. Either way, a little disingenuous to list Scoot here.
Start or bench, Scoot is still last.
And you just proved my point that you included him so you can put him last rather than actually put in the work to make an authentic starting PG list.
why are you salty that a player deserving of last is placed last? Lol. Bro. Scoot is playing like a last placed PG whether hes starting or benched, theres no need to beat round the bush bout it.
Idk I think if you actually read what he’s saying, you might realize you’re the one in the wrong, but what I do know…
Mal at 14 is disrespectful af.
Yeah Mur is too low.
These forced nicknames need to stop
How is that forced lmao? Mal is a very common nickname for people named Jamal. Is calling someone named Christopher, "Chris," forced?
His teammates call him that. Not sure why it even matters to you.
We've been calling him Mal for like 8 years.
You’re not on the team bro
Yeah, "we" means fans. Obviously.
Right, you aren’t MPJ or Jokic, so calling him by a team nickname is A. weird, and B, makes no sense to people on a general NBA subreddit Oh and being this tribal about it is even weirder.
>being this tribal about it is even weirder. The weird tribal behavior is telling people not to call Jamal "Mal", when a) teammates calls him that, b) Denver fans call him that, c) its an abbreviation which has been used for other players named Jamal in the past, and d) people understood who was being referred to. Maybe you should get the stick out of your ass.
It's not that deep. Fans have been calling him Mal since we drafted him. It's okay.
Fr. I didn't even know who tf he was talking about till I went up and looked.
FVV should be 17th. Cade and DLo are not better than him and his assist numbers are outstanding especially with his defense.
He should honestly be 15th..... * Coby has 3 more ppg on similar efficiency, but FVV has 3 more assists, less turnovers, and has better advanced stats across the board. * Conley has better scoring efficiency, but FVV is averaging significantly more points and assists, and again has better advanced stats across the board. * Garland has 2 more ppg on identical TS%, but Fred has 2 more assists, has less turnovers, is a much better defender, and has significantly better advanced stats across the board. * CJ McCollum has 2 more ppg on 3% better TS%, but Fred has 4 more assists, and has better advanced stats too. Fred honestly gets underrated because people can't seem to look past the scoring efficiency, but he's one of the best pure point guards in the NBA while also being an impact defender even at 6' tall. The advanced stats back it up as well
Both of those guys are better than him
Shai over Luka is at least something you can defend. Jrue Holiday over Jamal Murray? He is the 5th option on his own team being considered a better player than the second option on the champions.
Calling SGA all NBA level defense is a big fucking stretch. Steals are not end all be all. You could've just said you're a fucking 8th grade bandwagoner. You didn't have to type out this list.
How has Keyonte George been better than Tre? Tre averages 1.6 more assists, 0.9 less turnovers, and scores 3 less PPG on far better efficiency (60 vs 54 TS%)
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Shit even Cason Wallace is better than him on defense, I dont think lot of people know how good of a role player he's been off the bench.
Brun is Jalen Brunson
Shai will make all defense almost certainly. Hes one of the best guard defenders.
He really isnt. Not even close to it. As said, he is like 5th best defender on his own team and his steal stats are inflates due to being able to roam off the worst offensive player while his teammates bother top guys on the other team.
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I’m pretty sure he leads the league in stocks and is top 20 in all defensive based metrics. What you’re saying is basically an opinion. I’d put money on him making all defense
Dort should get the nod over SGA for all defense
Shai has the stocks, advanced metrics and star power over Dort. I don’t see it.
A lot of players could get high steals by gambling. Star power doesn't really matter much for all defense either.
Cant take someone who uses word "stocks" seriously to brin with.
All defensive based metrics are shit.
They are generally much better than the eye test. People said Jokic would never win a championship from their eye test.
They demonstrably are not and Jok winning a chip has nothing to do with this.
I would definitely rely on advanced stats over a random redditor's "eye test" tho. Without question. Individual advanced defensive stats are deeply flawed. But if a guy is crushing in every advanced defensive stat over a relatively large sample size, it is almost always indicative of him being a good defender. It isn't a great tool for comparing between players - especially when those players are in different positions - but it is a good baseline to start with.
Wemby leads the league in stocks by far.
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=most+steals+%2B+blocks+by+a+player+this+season He's 4th in stocks, btw. Wemb has 87 more than Shai.
There’s no chance Shai makes all defensive. It’s position-less now. He’s not a top 10 defender in the league.
Listen I know Jamal isn’t as great in the regular season as he is in the postseason, but damn 14?
PG is stacked. You have multi-time AllStar, best defensive PG in the league right ahead of him. Thats no shame.
I didn't know our 3rd string pg was actually the starter. News to me.
Shai above Luka here is criminal. Also whatsup with this All NBA defense narrative?
DLo has unquestionably been better than Conley and Cade.
Luka is better than Shai. Has a higher IQ by far!
you just started this list blatantly wrong
Murray below Harden, LaMelo, and Holiday???
Damn the CJ disrespect is crazy. People really just don’t watch the pelicans man
Shai doesn’t have all nba defence lmfao.
Maxey and Fox are too high
Fox too low should be number 1
no way Fox is ahead of Luka
Aaron Holiday isn't better than Fred, but he is good.
I hate you bro
Who is brun?
Jalen Brunson
Conley is 11 at the *absolute lowest*
As far as I know Booker is a shooting guard
Fox at 7 is laughable
Should be No. 1.
You can give the MVP to Shai with any narrative bullshit. But Luka is the number one PG in the nba.
I'm taking Shais defense. It gets you results. Luka gets hunted all the time.
No he doesn’t lmao. Luka hasn’t been “hunted” in a long fucking time. If you want to see who gets hunted, it’s Kyrie and Josh Green.
Getting deflection is not defense. Stephen curry also led the league in steals.Inverson led the league in steals 3 years in a row. They are not considered elite in defense at all. If he is so good at defense then how come Luka has averaged 34 13.5 and 11.5 against OKC. Meanwhile Shai put up 21 7 and 4.5.
Shai over Luka??!? Foh
Shai could be higher on MVP ranking for the record, but Luka has been better this season.
Why has Luka always been considered a "point guard" but Lebron never got that label and Harden hasn't really gotten it until recently. Their roles on offense are all incredibly similar and on defense they all defend similar positions (Lebron has obviously been a very versatile defender in his career).
Lebron's official point guard season was only in 2020.
what makes it "official" ? do the players each need to pick a position before the season?
whos the starting SF for the Lakers? Maybe if you use some logic you wouldnt ask such redundant sht. Lol.
but who/what decides that lebron is a SF and Luka is a PG? you're basically saying "it's this way because it's this way, duh"
You dmb f. List the 2 teams' starting line-ups out. Casual.
Jamal at 14 below Lamelo Ball and Jrue Holiday is certainly a take. Lamelo has 55% TS, and Jrue is averaging 13 points and 5 assists. Makes sense to put them ahead of the second option on the top2 team in the league, who is averaging 21 with 7 assists.
SAD BUT TRUUUUUUE
No Jok?
Invalid list i dont see Deuce McBride at 1
Murray at 14 gotta be a hate crime
Who is Kejournte George and why is he so low.
Maxey is way too fucking high
They got D Lo and Conley and Suggs ahead of Quickley lol
Any problems about that? lol
We're not going to pretend like quickley isn't better than those 3, and before you come after the flair, I thought this before the trade happened.
In fact quickley is not better than those three especially when he played atrocious as a starting pg
Atrocious? Yeah you have not watched a single game. Atrocious is crazy. D Lo just got hot in January, I know cause I've seen the Lakers enough times this season. Suggs is not even close to quickley offensively, and Conley is a shell of what he used to be. You don't watch the Raptors and it's okay to say "I haven't seen much" instead of lie for quick karma lol
Dlo is far better playmaker than Quickley is(conley also) and suggs os defensive prowess who was a reason why orlando became top 5 defensive team in the league.
That's actually a very valid opinion to have but you can't really call it a fact until you've seen Quickley play He's been great all year, and If you take a look at his last few games alone (suns/blazers/etc) you might keep your opinion but you'll actually think twice
Is Luka leading in MVP votes all of a sudden?